ARROW - SEASON FIVE KAPIUSHON EPISODE NUMBER - 517 Prometheus brutally tortures a captive Oliver, demanding that he admit his deepest secret. Five years ago in Russia Oliver and Anatoly discover that Konstantin Kovar is plotting to overthrow the Russian government, while Oliver tries to honor a promise. VISIT THE EPISODE GUIDE >> |
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Last edited by GateWorld; 23 March 2017, 09:35 PM. -
This was another good episode by Arrow standards, but I still can't help but get the feeling the overall theme the writers are going for is still undermined by their own bad decisions. Prometheus' point is that Oliver's evil love of killing infects those around him and gets his loved ones killed. He even mentions Laurel by name. So are we supposed to remember the fact that she died as a direct result of him not killing someone he should have?
I mentioned this elsewhere but, you can't really make a case that killing is always wrong if you write the story in such a way that makes sparing a person's life have more terrible consequences than all the times he's killed people combined.
It's hard to make sense of Oliver's character having a love of killing when he's totally inconsistent on that point. He loves killing, but for some unexplained reason will never kill the one person he himself admits he wants to kill the most?
I mean even to this day, Oliver's nonsensical choice to spare Malcom's life continues to make everything worse and worse. Not only did Laurel die because of it. Not only did America suffer a nuclear attack that killed tens of thousands of people, but now the Legion of Doom just erased all of reality and replaced it with their own.
What's worse is that they didn't even have to write things that way, but they still did."First Weir, then Samantha Carter, and now, you! It's a pity you humans die or get reassigned so easily, or I might have a sense of satisfaction now!"
*You got the touch! You got the poweeeeer!*
"Arise, Woolseyus Prime."
"Elizabeth..."
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Originally posted by Infinite-Possibilities View PostThis was another good episode by Arrow standards, but I still can't help but get the feeling the overall theme the writers are going for is still undermined by their own bad decisions. Prometheus' point is that Oliver's evil love of killing infects those around him and gets his loved ones killed. He even mentions Laurel by name. So are we supposed to remember the fact that she died as a direct result of him not killing someone he should have?
Originally posted by Infinite-Possibilities View PostI mentioned this elsewhere but, you can't really make a case that killing is always wrong if you write the story in such a way that makes sparing a person's life have more terrible consequences than all the times he's killed people combined.
Originally posted by Infinite-Possibilities View PostIt's hard to make sense of Oliver's character having a love of killing when he's totally inconsistent on that point. He loves killing, but for some unexplained reason will never kill the one person he himself admits he wants to kill the most?
I mean even to this day, Oliver's nonsensical choice to spare Malcom's life continues to make everything worse and worse. Not only did Laurel die because of it. Not only did America suffer a nuclear attack that killed tens of thousands of people, but now the Legion of Doom just erased all of reality and replaced it with their own.
What's worse is that they didn't even have to write things that way, but they still did.
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The Slade thing kind of fits the moral of the story a bit better, because he had the chance to cure him back on Lian Yu, but instead chose to try to kill him after he threatened his family. You could make a case that if he hadn't done that, things might have turned out differently. Then again, we will never know what would have happened, so we he can't say that for certain, and even Slade himself seems to suggest othewise.
Superhero stories, by their very nature, usually require a certain amount of suspension of disbelief when it comes to issues like the morality and acceptability of vigilante justice.
If you accept that premise, then in my opinion, the question of whether or not to use lethal force doesn't have a one-size-fits-all answer. You can't be going around killing every villain you see, but sometimes it's necessary to stop the bad guy or prevent a greater evil.
The problem is that Oliver's bloodlust only makes sense half the time. The way I put it is that: He kills people that he probably shouldn't, but then doesn't kill people that he probably should.Last edited by Infinite-Possibilities; 24 March 2017, 07:13 PM."First Weir, then Samantha Carter, and now, you! It's a pity you humans die or get reassigned so easily, or I might have a sense of satisfaction now!"
*You got the touch! You got the poweeeeer!*
"Arise, Woolseyus Prime."
"Elizabeth..."
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Originally posted by Infinite-Possibilities View PostSuperhero stories, by their very nature, usually require a certain amount of suspension of disbelief when it comes to issues like the morality and acceptability of vigilante justice.
If you accept that premise, then in my opinion, the question of whether or not to use lethal force doesn't have a one-size-fits-all answer. You can't be going around killing every villain you see, but sometimes it's necessary to stop the bad guy or prevent a greater evil.
Originally posted by Infinite-Possibilities View PostThe problem is that Oliver's bloodlust only makes sense half the time. The way I put it is that: He kills people that he probably shouldn't, but then doesn't kill people that probably should.
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