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GateWorld
October 18th, 2016, 10:03 PM
<DIV ALIGN="center"><TABLE WIDTH="500" BORDER="0" CELLSPACING="0" CELLPADDING="7"><TR><TD STYLE="border: none;"><DIV ALIGN="left"><FONT FACE="Verdana, Arial, san-serif" SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000"><A HREF="http://www.scifistream.com/the-flash/s3/monster/"><IMG SRC="http://www.scifistream.com/wp-content/uploads/monster-1-300x225.jpg" WIDTH="225" ALIGN="right" HSPACE="10" VSPACE="2" BORDER="0" STYLE="border: 1px black solid;" ALT="Visit the Episode Guide"></A><FONT SIZE="1" COLOR="#888888">THE FLASH - SEASON THREE</FONT>
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<FONT SIZE="1">EPISODE NUMBER - 305</FONT>
<DIV STYLE="margin-top:10px; padding:0;">Caitlin pays a visit to her estranged mother, who is a renowned biomedical researcher, hoping for some help learning about her disturbing transformation. Back in Central City Cisco grows suspicious of the new Harrison Wells. As the city is threatened by a gigantic creature, Barry tries to smooth things over with Julian.</DIV>
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Teddybrown
November 2nd, 2016, 02:13 PM
So, will Caitlin turn full Killer Frost, or can she be saved? It looks like Killer Frost is a personality within, possibly setting up a good v evil fight for Caitlin...

garhkal
November 2nd, 2016, 03:16 PM
By how her eyes shift over, it certainly does seem like KF is almost a separate entity within..

That said, the whole holo-critter scaring people so Mr bullied could for once be seen as the bully, and its "all good, but you still will have to pay for what you did" mess.. YEESH.

Teddybrown
November 2nd, 2016, 05:51 PM
Next weeks episode looks awesome

But 2 weeks :(

Infinite-Possibilities
November 2nd, 2016, 11:08 PM
You know what really bothers me? I was looking forward to how the show would develop Caitlin Snow to Killer Frost for years. But instead of actually doing a story about that they just reboot the universe to where she has powers that are driving her insane.

aretood2
November 5th, 2016, 05:59 PM
So Snow is going to slowly slip into evilness? That's what it's looking like. Pretty soon she'll start freezing friends to keep her secret and before you know it she's in one of them metahuman cells...I am intrigued.

garhkal
November 6th, 2016, 01:01 PM
Maybe this is yet another flashpoint curse on barry..

Peterking72
November 7th, 2016, 08:28 AM
Doesn't Caitlin turning into KF means that she has to have met Dr. Alchemy?
Because all the villains up to this episode had kind of a split personality and it all started when they met with Dr. Alchemy who restored their Flashpoint powers. Which could mean if KF is one of Caitlins personalities, then we will only see KF in action after she gets a push from Dr. Alchemy.
I don't know if anyone still remembers how Caitlin creeped out Cisco quite a bit when she "channeled" KF after learning the events that happened on Earth 2.
Well imagine that creep factor turned to 100% percent now. I wonder if Cisco could still pull a joke on that, beecause that would be over the top amazing.

garhkal
November 7th, 2016, 01:32 PM
Perhaps she's always had the powers, but they were dormant till now..

aretood2
November 7th, 2016, 01:35 PM
I agree. Dormant powers manifesting themselves. Chances are, Dentist Snow probably was starting to see signs of her powers. Same with original Snow.

Infinite-Possibilities
November 7th, 2016, 01:48 PM
I think the implication is that Barry's Flashpoint idiocy caused it. As in, in the original timeline she was not affected by the Particle Accelerator and in the new one she was.

aretood2
November 7th, 2016, 01:55 PM
Eitherway, I'm really looking forward to these next two episodes.

garhkal
November 7th, 2016, 09:31 PM
BUt since sisco was, AND he was the same in Earth-2, then would it not stand to reason so was Frost??

Peterking72
November 9th, 2016, 04:25 AM
I think the writers did it this way is because they wanted to know how much people liked KF first. Thus they did an Earth 2 version first, so if people didn't like it they would've dropped the entire concept and wouldn't have needed a retcon.
It turns out most of the people liked KF, so that's why they're doing her an arc now.
I like KF, but I don't like the actress playing her. I much rather liked if Peyton List was playing the role. Unfortunately they cast her as Golden Glider already, so it would be weird if they changed now. Plus Peyton is doing Frequency.

Infinite-Possibilities
November 9th, 2016, 11:58 AM
They could have done a Killer Frost arc without stupidly rebooting the timeline.

garhkal
November 9th, 2016, 01:46 PM
I much rather liked if Peyton List was playing the role. Unfortunately they cast her as Golden Glider already, so it would be weird if they changed now. Plus Peyton is doing Frequency.

I liked Golden too.. BUT since Peyton List is now in that new show, Frequency, i doubt she will make a re-appearance..

aretood2
November 10th, 2016, 06:32 PM
They could have done a Killer Frost arc without stupidly rebooting the timeline.

It wasn't a reboot as much as an in universe retcon. Everything we saw in previous seasons still happened...it's just that a few details are different (thus the retcon). Still, I don't see why they bothered to.

garhkal
November 10th, 2016, 10:37 PM
One other thing.. Since they are doing a legends-arrow-flash-supergirl cross, does that now mean the 'flashpoint paradox' DREW Kara's realm into ours??

Infinite-Possibilities
November 10th, 2016, 11:45 PM
I'm going to have to assume that either she or them or both will cross over into alternate realities.

aretood2
November 11th, 2016, 11:00 AM
One other thing.. Since they are doing a legends-arrow-flash-supergirl cross, does that now mean the 'flashpoint paradox' DREW Kara's realm into ours??

It should have, but no. They are not going that route.

Infinite-Possibilities
November 11th, 2016, 11:27 AM
It wouldn't make sense to do that, they'd have to rewrite the entire canon of the Supergirl show because of an episode of a different show on what was at the time a different network. Doing so would make the Flash timeline even more foreign than it is now. The entire premise of the first season of the Flash is that no-one had ever seen metahumans before, yet in the Supergirl universe they were commonplace because Superman had been well known for years.

garhkal
November 11th, 2016, 02:27 PM
It should have, but no. They are not going that route.

SO how they getting SG into arrow/flash/LoT time line??

aretood2
November 11th, 2016, 02:42 PM
I don't think they are. Not unless they have some giant multi show ark down the pipeline.

jelgate
November 11th, 2016, 05:32 PM
I don't think they are. Not unless they have some giant multi show ark down the pipeline.

The crossover this year is suppose to cover all the shows on November 28

aretood2
November 11th, 2016, 06:09 PM
The crossover this year is suppose to cover all the shows on November 28

What I mean is a series of episodes each in each show that converge into a merger of worlds. That way fans of one show won't be taken by surprise of all of a sudden finding new heroes or the existence of aliens in their world just because they don't follow the other DC shows.

garhkal
November 11th, 2016, 11:17 PM
Then they got a bunch of explainin to do!!

Peterking72
November 14th, 2016, 03:07 PM
I bet this crossover will be something like the flash/supergirl crossover was last year. In that EP Barry utilized a tachyon "speed-enhancer thingamajig" on the chest of his suit. He became so fast that he broke the barrier between universes and stranded himself on Supergirls' Earth.
However after this crossover everything went on like it never happened. Why they bothered to do a "Barry going back to ask Eobard/Wells to tell him how to go faster" episode which resulted in Cisco creating that tachyon "speed-enhancer" is beyond me. Anyway we never saw that device again, despite the fact that it was like super important and I bet my ass that Barry could have soloed even Zoom with that thing. Maybe save his father and not create a Flashpoint out of pure anger.
Maybe in this crossover they get "sober" again and remember they still have this tachyon thingy and do some re-test because the last test tape was eaten by Gorilla Grodd or whatever.

@garhkal: Explainin?! Since when do they do that? That's not their M.O.
They are hell-bent on creating the whackiest, wonkiest, loosest storyline that TV has ever seen. All for the purpose so you have the foggiest about what is going on and wouldn't notice important things, like retcons, character changes and simple, everyday things like that. :D

Starsaber
November 22nd, 2016, 07:24 AM
I bet this crossover will be something like the flash/supergirl crossover was last year. In that EP Barry utilized a tachyon "speed-enhancer thingamajig" on the chest of his suit. He became so fast that he broke the barrier between universes and stranded himself on Supergirls' Earth.
However after this crossover everything went on like it never happened. Why they bothered to do a "Barry going back to ask Eobard/Wells to tell him how to go faster" episode which resulted in Cisco creating that tachyon "speed-enhancer" is beyond me. Anyway we never saw that device again, despite the fact that it was like super important and I bet my ass that Barry could have soloed even Zoom with that thing. Maybe save his father and not create a Flashpoint out of pure anger.
Maybe in this crossover they get "sober" again and remember they still have this tachyon thingy and do some re-test because the last test tape was eaten by Gorilla Grodd or whatever.


They talked about making the tachyon enhancer smaller, so it could fit behind his logo now like Harry's speed siphon did.

Peterking72
November 22nd, 2016, 11:18 AM
They have gone nuts with that chest piece. They'll eventually run out of space trying to fit in every gizmo Cisco creates. There is even a defibrillator in there we saw in use in the first season. So unless Cisco figured out how Reverse Flash stored his suit in his ring and utilized that tech in Barry's chest piece, I don't see how they could fit any more things in there.

garhkal
November 22nd, 2016, 09:06 PM
Since iirc we didn't GET that ring, i dunno if he could reverse engineer how the reverse flash had it..

Peterking72
November 23rd, 2016, 04:18 PM
Cisco can do basically anything. I know they didn't get the ring.(It fell into molten lava inside a volcano while Gollum held it in his hands. Wait a minute, that was in another movie!)

They also can just ask Ray when that 4-way crossover happens.

What I heard was that everyone is going to get together for a DC group hug and to tell Barry to stop f****** with the timeline because that's the "Legend's job".
They did at least as much harm as they helped and they didn't kill Hitler either.

BTW
I was ROFLMAO when I found this:
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garhkal
November 24th, 2016, 12:02 AM
I wonder if barry's messing up the time line is what brings the legends INTO this crossover..

Peterking72
November 24th, 2016, 03:31 AM
It's exactly what brings them to it. Also Eobard Thawne, the speedster they encountered is their new nemesis. I don't know if they know the dude or not, but at least one of them (professor Stein) supposedly saw Eobard's real face in the first season finale of the Flash when he was being erased from existence. He was in the cortex at the time but they had cameras in the pipeline so he may or may not saw him.
Though on legends all they (Sarah Lance) saw was a red lightning and a blur, plus Eobard wasn't wearing his suit. So I don't think he knows who they're dealing with.

BTW I think that the version of Eobard we dealing with here is the one Barry held captive in Flashpoint. The one he was forced to ask to kill his mother in order to restore the timeline and save his ass/memories and speed.
Although he (Eobard) not continuing the timeline where and how he was supposed to did not do squat to the timeline. He was supposed to kill and assume Well's identity by now and create Star Labs according to the time line. But he is clearly not doing that. Instead he is meddling in the 20th century for some reason.
Although he must know that if he somehow creates an event that erases the Flash from existence than he loses his power also. Or not. This show so far ignored all the time line changes that should have effected Eobard.
Eddie killed himself, so he was erased from existence, yet Barry's mom remained dead and Barry remained a speedster.
Eobard altered from his original plans (kill Well's, build a particle accelerator, create Flash, go home to his time), yet he retained his powers and the timeline remained the same.
He also retained his ability to travel trough time somehow, so he didn't needed to recreate the Flash anymore.
Basically they completely ignore any changes that should affect these two's existence. Yet they seem to be completely happy toying around with other characters existence. Essentially these speedsters cheating reality and existence completely and the show runners always try to explain it away by speed force shenanigans.
Eobard must have a Tardis somewhere which he modified (like The Master in Doctor Who) to act as a Paradox machine. I'm sure now.

aretood2
November 24th, 2016, 01:02 PM
That's what's bothering me. Why wouldn't the Legends detect that aberration? Or is it that the speed force messes with their detection methods? That would explain why the time masters never got involved in the past.

Infinite-Possibilities
November 24th, 2016, 01:28 PM
Maybe they're just incompetent?

Peterking72
November 26th, 2016, 01:57 PM
I want to know more about the time wraiths also. How they choose when to intervene? Or is there somebody or more than one somebody sending them? Are they just sending them random?
From what we were shown so far it's hard to tell.
Maybe they're like the dementors in Harry Potter. The Ministry used them, but sometimes they could act on their own if they were already there or on patrol. After the Ministry fell they went rogue and some of them were used at the interrogations.

Well if their "owners" were the time masters then it's maybe the same case there.

I wonder though if they're connected to Black Flash, the reaper of speedsters.
All I know is that they're not in the comics. They seem to be a creation of the show runners Kreisberg and Berlanti.

The Speedforce must be the most capable form of shenanigans.

" I just imagined Barry standing in the middle of the time vortex enveloped by the full power of the speed force. He takes hold of both ends and starts to wave them in complete extasy while singing: That's the way, I like it! Aha aha!!.... Then: Let's whip it baby, let's whip it right, Let's whip it baby, whip it all night!!.. Then: Get down on it!! and Let's not forget Super Freak!"

Then we would here the thundering voice of Odin(Anthony Hopkins): Leaving the time stream open would unleash the full force of the Speed force and would obliterate reality!
Let it go son, let it go...!
Barry (fast talk): No!
Odin: Curbstomps!!!


OK I'm going to ROFLMAO now!

P-90_177
November 26th, 2016, 04:15 PM
I already though Snow was adorable... As Killer Frost she is seriously hot... I think I have a problem...

aretood2
November 26th, 2016, 06:39 PM
I already though Snow was adorable... As Killer Frost she is seriously hot... I think I have a problem...

I share your problem....I really do. We can both go to the same support group...or therapist. I was actually about to ask if I was the only one who thought this :P I was disappointed Killer Frost didn't stick around for long. Maybe she'll come out a play again :D

Peterking72
November 27th, 2016, 04:46 AM
I think full on Killer frost was a bit early, even for a show as fast paced as the Flash. I expected maybe some strong anger issues, but going full throttle then backing up again to tamed ol' Dr. Snow was the fastest emotional change on the show so far.

She definitely has a face that screams that white/blonde hair looks good on her. I often get disappointed when actresses who look stunning having dark brown or black hair suddenly wind up having blonde or short blonde hair. However Panabaker was made for white/blonde hair. I think.

I do hope that Barry needs a team up to beat this Savitar guy. Like a Flash/Vibe/Killer Frost trio. I think they'd be able to handle the guy.
First KF would hit Savitar with an ice blast. Enter Barry with a supersonic punch(shattering his armour and exposing his body), then when Savitar is on the ground Vibe makes a soup of his organs with his sonic waves.

garhkal
November 27th, 2016, 01:36 PM
Maybe this needs to be in the killer frost thread..

aretood2
November 27th, 2016, 06:41 PM
I think full on Killer frost was a bit early, even for a show as fast paced as the Flash. I expected maybe some strong anger issues, but going full throttle then backing up again to tamed ol' Dr. Snow was the fastest emotional change on the show so far.

She definitely has a face that screams that white/blonde hair looks good on her. I often get disappointed when actresses who look stunning having dark brown or black hair suddenly wind up having blonde or short blonde hair. However Panabaker was made for white/blonde hair. I think.

I do hope that Barry needs a team up to beat this Savitar guy. Like a Flash/Vibe/Killer Frost trio. I think they'd be able to handle the guy.
First KF would hit Savitar with an ice blast. Enter Barry with a supersonic punch(shattering his armour and exposing his body), then when Savitar is on the ground Vibe makes a soup of his organs with his sonic waves.

I too think it was way too sudden and quick of a turnaround in the end. I got taken out of the moment in that instant. And no, I am not biased by my....inclinations towards liking killer frost >.>

Peterking72
November 29th, 2016, 08:07 AM
What also bothers me that the show wants to tell us that her powers is what turning her evil.
So again they ignoring the traumas she's been trough.
Well, for the most part. She did say that she is angry about all the bad things that has happened to her and that's why her "evil" side was "winning" in the times she hurt people.
BUT, and that's what Barry was thinking (which is also the shows idea masked inside as a suggestive hint) is that her powers is the main reason she becomes evil.
Now I don't eat that crap.
Why would any one who loses a loved one or two, suddenly gaining powers turn on the only close friends he/she got? Even if she somehow feels that Barry is responsible for Ronny's death it's not reason enough (for me) to want to kill that person. She also very well knows that the black hole Ronny gave his life for to close was Eobard's doing. Yes, Barry agreed to it, but he also foolishly thought that they will be able to control the thing.
However he didn't know that the show needed a cliffhanger for the end of season 1. He is not Deadpool after all.
So that only leaves the timeline altering, which supposedly gave her powers. Which is not clear on me still, because all the other Flashpoint meta needed Alchemy to "unlock" their powers and Caitlin didn't show any signs of KF in the Flashpoint timeline. So it's still kind of a mystery for me how she got her powers. I hope the show will elaborate on it.