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GateWorld
March 2nd, 2016, 09:32 PM
<DIV ALIGN="center"><TABLE WIDTH="450" BORDER="0" CELLSPACING="0" CELLPADDING="7"><TR><TD STYLE="border: none;"><DIV ALIGN="left"><FONT FACE="Verdana, Arial, san-serif" SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000"><A HREF="http://www.scifistream.com/agents-of-shield/s3/the-inside-man/"><IMG SRC="http://www.scifistream.com/wp-content/uploads/the-inside-man-160x120.jpg" WIDTH="160" HEIGHT="120" ALIGN="right" HSPACE="10" VSPACE="2" BORDER="0" STYLE="border: 1px black solid;" ALT="Visit the Episode Guide"></A><FONT SIZE="1" COLOR="#888888">AGENTS OF S.H.I.E.L.D. - SEASON THREE</FONT>
<FONT SIZE="4"><A HREF="http://www.scifistream.com/agents-of-shield/s3/the-inside-man/" STYLE="text-decoration: none;">THE INSIDE MAN</A></FONT>
<FONT SIZE="1">EPISODE NUMBER - 312</FONT>
<DIV STYLE="margin-top:10px; padding:0;">Coulson and General Talbot head to an international symposium on Inhumans, where the team works to determine if any other countries have ties to Malick and Hydra. Back home, Fitz and Simmons discover a potential "cure" for Terrigenesis.</DIV>
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Jeffer
March 15th, 2016, 07:39 PM
Great episode this thing that ward is gets more terrifing as the episodes go on

garhkal
March 15th, 2016, 11:49 PM
I am surprised you was able to watch the whole thing, with the amount of times the damn show got interrupted by "Breaking news" reports for politics Bull ****.. such as the first 2 interruptions telling us who the "AP" is calling this or that state winner, when the bottom 1/5 of the screen was ALREADY showing that ****. After 20 minutes of that crap i had to turn the bloody thing off i was so discusted, especially since CBS did the same crap, ruining what otherwise might have been a good NCIS episode..

Jeffer
March 16th, 2016, 06:11 AM
ah yeah fortunately I live in Canada and was watching it on CTV so i was not subjected to this


I am surprised you was able to watch the whole thing, with the amount of times the damn show got interrupted by "Breaking news" reports for politics Bull ****.. such as the first 2 interruptions telling us who the "AP" is calling this or that state winner, when the bottom 1/5 of the screen was ALREADY showing that ****. After 20 minutes of that crap i had to turn the bloody thing off i was so discusted, especially since CBS did the same crap, ruining what otherwise might have been a good NCIS episode..

ecgordon
March 16th, 2016, 09:10 AM
There weren't any interruptions on my local station, or else they held that for commercial breaks, which I ignore.

I'm liking this show as much as ever...except when Hunter is around. I like Bobby, but don't care for their relationship and doubt I'll bother with the spin-off.

Now, Daisy and Lincoln, I could get behind a show for them.

meredithchandler73
March 16th, 2016, 11:09 AM
There weren't any interruptions on my local station, or else they held that for commercial breaks, which I ignore.

I'm liking this show as much as ever...except when Hunter is around. I like Bobby, but don't care for their relationship and doubt I'll bother with the spin-off.

Now, Daisy and Lincoln, I could get behind a show for them.

My local station didn't have any interruptions, but I also bought the season in iTunes, so I download it the next morning and rewatch.

I am still loving the show as well. Hunter is getting quite annoying. I like Bobbi, but I would totally be fine with the 2 of them going off to their own show. There are plenty of other great characters on this show right now.

Speaking of which - no Mack?!?!? Boo.

Creel's blood can act as a vaccine and stop someone from being able to go through Terrigenesis?!?! That's BIG! Now the question is whether this will become common knowledge and if Creel will become a target.

I'm really intrigued by Creel. Is he really reformed? Talbot trusts him completely. May pointed out that Creel was a criminal long before Hydra got their hands on him and made him comply. Has Creel just been brainwashed to follow Talbot now? I'll be interested to see where this goes. And hopefully we won't have to see Hunter ranting about Creel for much longer.

Lincoln has (finally) become a little more interesting to me in this episode. I like that he is troubled by his powers and he makes a good counterpoint to Daisy. Also, I like that we can get different ideologies about Inhumans through these 2 characters - Daisy feeling that it's their birthright to change. Lincoln doesn't think everyone should change - there was a selection process for many years with Jiaying (maybe even farther back?). And beyond being chosen to change by someone else, what if a person doesn't want that for themselves? But I think Daisy was definitely right about one thing - if the government had a vaccine that would essentially eliminate any more Inhumans from being created, then that's what would happen. I don't think there would be a choice only because everyone would be fearful about what they would change into. As Rosalind Price had said - for every Daisy Johnson, there's a Lash.

Oh, but the love story between Daisy and Lincoln - eh. I'm not that interested. But then, historically relationships don't fare very well on this show, so it's probably just a matter of time.

Gen. Chris
March 16th, 2016, 11:24 AM
I'm liking this show as much as ever...except when Hunter is around. I like Bobby, but don't care for their relationship and doubt I'll bother with the spin-off.

Now, Daisy and Lincoln, I could get behind a show for them.

You are literally the only person I have heard that hates Bobby and Hunter's relationship but likes Lincoln and Daisy. I personally think they have no chemistry...in fact I think she would have better chemistry with Ward as Hive. Yo yo and Mack had more chemistry in their first meeting than Lincoln and Daisy have had over the season, in my opinion.

Edit: Adding on to this just so it doesn't seem like I'm posting just to attack you or your opinion, I thought last nights episode was really good.

garhkal
March 16th, 2016, 11:37 AM
There weren't any interruptions on my local station, or else they held that for commercial breaks, which I ignore.
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What irked me on NCIS, was they would break into the show itself, then after the 'breaking news" bit, they would be back to the show itself or 20 seconds or so, THEN Cut to commercials..

As for hunter/bobbi, i actually liked Hunter more so than the others in this episode.. And i was very much in Daisy's corner when she and Lincoln were duking it out verbally on the Inhumans and whether they should have a cure.. As we know if they do make it, eventually it would be forced on them..


Speaking of which - no Mack?!?!? Boo.

Heck, how many eps this season has he been missing from??


Creel's blood can act as a vaccine and stop someone from being able to go through Terrigenesis?!?! That's BIG! Now the question is whether this will become common knowledge and if Creel will become a target.

AS we have seen in practically every other show/film with something like this, once a 'cure for the mutant condition' comes out, its not a choice to have it or not, its a forced thing done.. For the good of humanity..

BUT the part that irks me the most, is that how is it the 'inhumans' are any less human than say Banner who was altered by Gamma radiation, Captain america who had his DNA altered by alien tech/formula based iirc in a little way on the cube and all the others who were also 'altered' cause of something not of earth...


I'm really intrigued by Creel. Is he really reformed? Talbot trusts him completely. May pointed out that Creel was a criminal long before Hydra got their hands on him and made him comply. Has Creel just been brainwashed to follow Talbot now? I'll be interested to see where this goes. And hopefully we won't have to see Hunter ranting about Creel for much longer.


Perhaps creel just needed someone to actually trust him for who he is, not rely on brainwashing him, to show he HAS another way that is why he is loyal to Talbot..
And i was actually shocked it was Talbot, i was certain it was the Aussie chick..


Daisy feeling that it's their birthright to change. Lincoln doesn't think everyone should change - there was a selection process for many years with Jiaying (maybe even farther back?)


Though did Jaiyang control that process to keep the balance in #s, or to control who/what was created?

P-90_177
March 16th, 2016, 12:35 PM
You are literally the only person I have heard that hates Bobby and Hunter's relationship but likes Lincoln and Daisy. I personally think they have no chemistry...in fact I think she would have better chemistry with Ward as Hive. Yo yo and Mack had more chemistry in their first meeting than Lincoln and Daisy have had over the season, in my opinion.

Edit: Adding on to this just so it doesn't seem like I'm posting just to attack you or your opinion, I thought last nights episode was really good.

I actually quite enjoy both their relationships. :P

Awesome episode. I'm looking forward to seeing more of Talbot now.

Teddybrown
March 16th, 2016, 02:07 PM
What do I do with this hand, its freaking me out... Haha!

Great episode! Had shocks and laughs

garhkal
March 16th, 2016, 11:28 PM
When Mavan goes all 'dusty', what exactly is going on?> Is he somehow co-opting everyone? Mentally controlling them?

And why didn't Mr "freeze your butt with a look" power not work on him? Is he somehow immune to the powers of Inhumans?

Gen. Chris
March 17th, 2016, 11:49 AM
When Mavan goes all 'dusty', what exactly is going on?> Is he somehow co-opting everyone? Mentally controlling them?

And why didn't Mr "freeze your butt with a look" power not work on him? Is he somehow immune to the powers of Inhumans?

In the comics, Hive is not an Inhuman but something created by Hydra to be basically the embodiment of Hydra ideals (so they adapted that into the show). Hive is basically a collection of parasites.

In this show he seems to be something kinda like a "Prime Inhuman" or something, but I imagine that the fact he is dead contributes to the fact he can't be frozen.

blueray
March 17th, 2016, 04:23 PM
I am surprised you was able to watch the whole thing, with the amount of times the damn show got interrupted by "Breaking news" reports for politics Bull ****.. such as the first 2 interruptions telling us who the "AP" is calling this or that state winner, when the bottom 1/5 of the screen was ALREADY showing that ****. After 20 minutes of that crap i had to turn the bloody thing off i was so discusted, especially since CBS did the same crap, ruining what otherwise might have been a good NCIS episode..

I didn't have this. They interrupted the sitcom before it at the end at least (I didn't want the show) and Agents of shield started at like 9:02 and played straight through. Maybe because my state wasn't voting.

I liked this episode, though I wish there was more Simmons and Fitz. I liked the stuff with Hunter, Bobbi and May. I was also glad that Talbot wasn't evil.

I'm still sick of zombie Ward, I rather watch the other storylines then him at hydra.

garhkal
March 17th, 2016, 10:31 PM
I wonder... Would he fall to lash?

Jeffer
March 18th, 2016, 12:31 PM
I wonder... Would he fall to lash?

The body he is inhabitanting would but not so sure about the parasite

P-90_177
March 18th, 2016, 12:55 PM
In the comics, Hive is not an Inhuman but something created by Hydra to be basically the embodiment of Hydra ideals (so they adapted that into the show). Hive is basically a collection of parasites.

In this show he seems to be something kinda like a "Prime Inhuman" or something, but I imagine that the fact he is dead contributes to the fact he can't be frozen.

I think he's still a collection of parasites. Keep in mind he refers to himself as "We"

garhkal
March 18th, 2016, 01:04 PM
SO what COULD take him out permanently??

Gen. Chris
March 18th, 2016, 10:23 PM
SO what COULD take him out permanently??

When in doubt...

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aretood2
March 19th, 2016, 11:09 AM
I think he's still a collection of parasites. Keep in mind he refers to himself as "We"

With a name like "hive" it makes sense. But it could also be the "royal we."

Archaeis
March 20th, 2016, 07:14 AM
Controlling people by making them 'believe' and eating people? Sounds like Jasmine from Angel to me.

I REALLY hope they don't play the plot card of Skye saying, "Ward! I know you're still in there! You need to fight it!" That would be a sucky climax.

garhkal
March 20th, 2016, 12:49 PM
With how it was her that tried killing ward in S2 (bullet to the side), i am not sure why she would try that.

Archaeis
March 20th, 2016, 06:20 PM
With how it was her that tried killing ward in S2 (bullet to the side), i am not sure why she would try that.

It's happened in worse and stranger instances in shows and movies. And given how hard the writers have been forcing the Ward character into the show for 2 seasons now, they might want to give him a redemption arc. But, I really hope not.

aretood2
March 20th, 2016, 06:32 PM
Do any Ward fans really want a redemption? Besides, technically, Ward is no longer a character. He has joined all of his dead Hydra compatriots.

Gen. Chris
March 20th, 2016, 06:57 PM
There is no redemption for him at this point. Between seasons 2-3 has was not conflicted or appearing to be conflicted like he was in the last few episodes of season 1. He was a fully fledged and somewhat high ranking member of Hydra who murdered Rosalind for no reason other than to make Coulson suffer.

He's dead anyway, and this does not seem like the kind of thing you can really recover from. Ward may be "strong" but he is one mind among many.

garhkal
March 20th, 2016, 11:29 PM
I agree. With all Ward has done, there is no coming back..

Archaeis
March 21st, 2016, 12:53 AM
I completely agree. I've disliked him as a character (as in remaining on the show) since the end of season 1. I just mean that I hope that is a story road the writers/producers go down merely to artificially keep Brett Dalton on the show, as they have been doing.

But, it's something I could see them trying.

Setiform
April 4th, 2016, 06:32 AM
First off, because I'm not a regular poster here, hello again. Been awhile.

Second, Agents of Shield is, in the main, excellent entertainment and very skillfully written.

Third, I just saw this episode and I have one major grievance with the basic premise which is probably more to do with real world politics than with the story, itself.

But first, I have to agree with the other comments about the two principle relationships being played out. Bobby and Hunter have no reason to be together. I cannot see why they should. Bobby is way above Hunter in terms of her moral and ethical standing, and intellect. What does she see in this shallow fool? And there is no spark at all between Daisy and Lincoln. That one feels very forced. I think that relationship was probably demanded by the producers in order to tick various marketing demographic boxes, because there's got to be a relationship between two cool kids who are under 30 (Gemma and Fitz don't count because they're geeks, not athletic and don't have magazine cover sex appeal).

Compare this with Coulson and Price who were completely believable once they got over there initial hurdle of mistrust. Their relationship lasted all of five minutes, but in that time it was clear they were on each other's level, they jibed, they understood each other, they could communicate as equals not just professionally, but personally, intellectually and emotionally. This only also applies to Fitz and Simmons. It doesn't apply to Bobby and Hunter, or Daisy and Lincoln.

And now, my grievance. You can stop reading here if you're not interested in the socio-political and cultural dynamic of the US-UK relationship as it is portrayed in works of fiction.

The symposium. Members were the USA, Australia, Japan, Russia and Taiwan.

Now, obviously, there are many deep references to the original comics in all the episodes, no doubt including the members this symposium, most notably the Australian unit. But it still annoyed me because the first thing this line-up reminded me of was the sixth season SG1 episode Disclosure in which the UK ambassador was portrayed as a fauning, gutless, gullible, yes-man who was just there to do whatever the USA told him to do and expressed not a single opinion of his own, nor disagreed for one moment with anything that was said. This is a constant trend in American TV shows and I'm getting really sick and tired of it. The UK is a more significant consumer of US TV and related products than Australia - in fact, it's a bigger market for everything made in the US with the exception of defence technology (oops, just gave myself away with that spelling, didn't I?) and yet the UK is treated in all instances with contempt.

Why do I bring this up? Because until this episode I was giving Agents of Shield a free pass on this one. They hadn't done their own version of 'Disclosure' and, instead, had shown powerful British characters (even though Hunter is a total fecking moron at times).

But this episode aggravated the chip on my shoulder, so there it is. As a member of my culture and society, I'm sick of my culture and society being used in works of fiction as the butt of jokes, or treated like a pathetic little client state. And I'm probably sick of it because it reflects real life too closely. But that being the case, I don't watch fictional TV shows because I want more real life. I don't watch them to be reminded that British politicians are often so useless that they couldn't beat a strip of used, wet toilet paper in a fair fight. No, I want to escape real life during that particular 45 minutes, not have yet more of it slapped in my face. Like used, wet toilet paper. With a union jack on it.

Bah humbug.

Now I shall crawl back into my hole and shut up.

P.S. I still like the show and consider it one of the best things on TV at the moment.