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GateWorld
February 4th, 2016, 10:30 PM
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<FONT SIZE="1">EPISODE NUMBER - 415</FONT>
<DIV STYLE="margin-top:10px; padding:0;">Needing a new game plan to counter Darhk's magic, Oliver calls upon Mari McCabe -- a.k.a. Vixen, a vigilante from Detroit -- to help free his son. Felicity learns Oliver's secret, and Thea confronts Malcolm about his betrayal.</DIV>
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garhkal
February 24th, 2016, 09:40 PM
Nice ep as far as the whole Darhk angle, though why did he all of a sudden lose his powers once the idol got smashed.. Surely there would have been some residual power.

As to the kid angle, i liked initially how Felicity and co were handling it, but HATED how she walked out at the end. First off, she has been wheelchair bound for what, 4 months or so (at least).. And she just got her legs back and can walk out like nothing is amiss?
Secondly by what right did she feel she had a 'right to have been included' in the decision????

P-90_177
February 25th, 2016, 12:25 PM
That was devastating. I mean seriously as a large, semi-muscular man I am crying my eyes out. :(

lopo30
February 25th, 2016, 01:41 PM
Funny when always bad guys say that your incapable to see the bigger picture and then expect something.
But they never talk about the info about the bigger picture. How can anyone see the bigger picture if they have no info about it :D

Teddybrown
February 27th, 2016, 01:02 AM
So theyre really narrowing the list of who could be in the grave... Im guessing Lance.

So is Darkh in custody now?

P-90_177
February 27th, 2016, 01:55 AM
So theyre really narrowing the list of who could be in the grave... Im guessing Lance.

So is Darkh in custody now?

I'm also wondering about Felicity's mum.

Teddybrown
February 27th, 2016, 09:54 AM
Unfortunately, Legends of Tomorrow didnt throw any hints...

Infinite-Possibilities
February 27th, 2016, 10:33 AM
It's about time Thea remembered that she had a real dad.

The final scene was sort of... abrupt, even though the idea behind it was good.

Then again, if they showed her struggling or walking gingerly at first, it would have made the scene stronger but also have it make less sense that she walks away from the wheelchair.

garhkal
February 27th, 2016, 11:48 AM
Thinking on that, i am shocked we have not heard one iota on 'dad 2' who got snagged back in S1 (or was it S2) when he investigated the Queen's Yacht..

Infinite-Possibilities
February 27th, 2016, 12:06 PM
Yeah Walter. I almost forgot about him too, but he's still around technically. I actually liked that character, but he feels like someone from a completely different show now. They must have felt he didn't work because they wrote him out of the show pretty quickly and decisively after Season 1.


But he is still the closest thing Thea and Oliver have to a father.

garhkal
February 27th, 2016, 08:05 PM
Maybe he is having too much fun on Limitless to make a guest appearance..

Gen. Chris
February 29th, 2016, 12:02 AM
Yeah...

That last scene was some of the trashiest trash to ever grace the screen.

Seriously, the producers ****ed up enough last season by giving in to the small yet annoyingly vocal shippers (some of the worst kinds of fans) and putting those two together, and now they split them up in the stupidest way possible.

Felicity went from being a great secondary character in the first two seasons to being a terrible main character whose spotlight has taken away too much time from the actual plot and other, far better characters.

It's not the actresses fault, but ******* these producers and showrunners have no ******* idea what they are doing, and even worse, how it is wrecking the show.

I had such high hopes for this season and it started off great and has turned to ****.

Archaeis
February 29th, 2016, 05:09 AM
Does anyone else think Felicity's reaction was unwarranted? "I understand ... but you kept this from me." Aside from the condition the mother made, this secret, and the entire situation, had absolutely nothing to do with Felicity. She had no right to claim a stake in it.

garhkal
February 29th, 2016, 11:44 AM
Does anyone else think Felicity's reaction was unwarranted? "I understand ... but you kept this from me." Aside from the condition the mother made, this secret, and the entire situation, had absolutely nothing to do with Felicity. She had no right to claim a stake in it.

I do. And i felt she had no say in what happened with the kid (as i already mentioned).. Now if oli adopted him, she would, but since he has not, she has none..

Infinite-Possibilities
February 29th, 2016, 11:50 AM
I think she has a right to be upset about not being told, but her reaction of leaving him in this episode and the Vandal Savage one felt like an over the top overreaction. It makes her seems like she is very quick to give up.

lopo30
February 29th, 2016, 02:10 PM
Does anyone else think Felicity's reaction was unwarranted? "I understand ... but you kept this from me." Aside from the condition the mother made, this secret, and the entire situation, had absolutely nothing to do with Felicity. She had no right to claim a stake in it.

Thing about this secret is that it's not even years old. He didn't know he had a son and when he got to know goes past few months and that's already a big deal.
It's not like she has no secrets cause the past has not come to deal with her again.

P-90_177
February 29th, 2016, 02:15 PM
Yeah...

That last scene was some of the trashiest trash to ever grace the screen.

Seriously, the producers ****ed up enough last season by giving in to the small yet annoyingly vocal shippers (some of the worst kinds of fans) and putting those two together, and now they split them up in the stupidest way possible.

Felicity went from being a great secondary character in the first two seasons to being a terrible main character whose spotlight has taken away too much time from the actual plot and other, far better characters.

It's not the actresses fault, but ******* these producers and showrunners have no ******* idea what they are doing, and even worse, how it is wrecking the show.

I had such high hopes for this season and it started off great and has turned to ****.

I wouldn't exactly call them a small group. I've rarely seen so many people ship two characters like Oliver and Felicity. I mean I don't even like shipping and I have been waiting for them to get together since she first entered the show. I have friends who are about as romantically minded as a dirty wash cloth who ship them.

Gen. Chris
March 1st, 2016, 06:00 AM
I wouldn't exactly call them a small group. I've rarely seen so many people ship two characters like Oliver and Felicity. I mean I don't even like shipping and I have been waiting for them to get together since she first entered the show. I have friends who are about as romantically minded as a dirty wash cloth who ship them.

There is a difference between thinking "Oh, they could be a good couple" to "Omgz, Olicity is all I watch this show for...Creators, why don't you put them together!"

Seriously, there are entire tumblr blogs devoted to the pairing. I saw one the other day that wrote such a ridiculous review on this episode. They literally wrote over a thousand words on the development in the episode...of Olicity. Absolutely no mention of Dahrk, Vixen, nothing else. Only focused on the drama between two of the main characters. And those are the types of people the showrunners listened to.

Yay...

Ian-S
March 1st, 2016, 12:39 PM
So theyre really narrowing the list of who could be in the grave... Im guessing Lance.

So is Darkh in custody now?

I'm still not ruling out the son, just because he walked away from this doesn't mean that Malcolm won't go off the reservation on him in retaliation again, he really seems a bit unhinged again now.

Gen. Chris
March 1st, 2016, 02:56 PM
I'm still not ruling out the son, just because he walked away from this doesn't mean that Malcolm won't go off the reservation on him in retaliation again, he really seems a bit unhinged again now.

If Malcolm kills Ollie's son, then Ollie should kill Malcolm's daughter!

...Wait.

garhkal
March 1st, 2016, 10:00 PM
I had to do a double take at that.. That would not be Oli...

Gen. Chris
March 2nd, 2016, 11:31 AM
Wait, what?

Ian-S
March 4th, 2016, 10:01 AM
You started it lol.

Unless he's talking about the 'Arrow' in the Legends episode which took all of ten seconds to work out, and would obviously indicate that it's not

Diggle in the grave either, since AFAIK he only has a daughter presently, and the son we saw in Legends who had taken up the Arrow mantle hasn't been born yet