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GateWorld
January 2nd, 2016, 02:57 PM
<DIV ALIGN="center"><TABLE WIDTH="450" BORDER="0" CELLSPACING="0" CELLPADDING="7"><TR><TD STYLE="border: none;"><DIV ALIGN="left"><FONT FACE="Verdana, Arial, san-serif" SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000"><A HREF="http://www.scifistream.com/the-expanse/s1/salvage/"><IMG SRC="http://www.scifistream.com/wp-content/uploads/salvage-160x120.jpg" WIDTH="160" HEIGHT="120" ALIGN="right" HSPACE="10" VSPACE="2" BORDER="0" STYLE="border: 1px black solid;" ALT="Visit the Episode Guide"></A><FONT SIZE="1" COLOR="#888888">THE EXPANSE - SEASON ONE</FONT>
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<FONT SIZE="1">EPISODE NUMBER - 108</FONT>
<DIV STYLE="margin-top:10px; padding:0;">Holden's crew discovers a stealth ship hidden inside an asteroid, and find something frightening in the darkness when they go on board looking for answers. While Avasarala tries to intervene on Holden's behalf, Miller arrives on Eros in search of Julie Mao.</DIV>
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VampyreWraith
January 27th, 2016, 09:12 AM
I loved this episode. So far, it's probably my favorite episode of the season (along with episode 4). I can't wait until next week.

EaglesPDX
January 27th, 2016, 12:23 PM
Grrr....more non-book stuff similar to "Windmills". Don't understand why the keep doing this. The stuff is odd and doesn't seem to add anything to the story. And unless they are really going to compress the last two episodes, there are not going to finish the book.

Sure wish they'd have an official "The Expanse" discussion area where the authors would talk about why they put in the all the changes.

VampyreWraith
January 27th, 2016, 01:09 PM
You mean the Earth parts, Fred Johnson, or that they reversed the order of the discoveries (finding the Anubis without Miller before finding Julie in the hotel room)? The main parts of the episode were all book parts just slightly different. In Windmills the main parts were not in the book at all.

EaglesPDX
January 27th, 2016, 03:07 PM
You mean the Earth parts, Fred Johnson, or that they reversed the order of the discoveries (finding the Anubis without Miller before finding Julie in the hotel room)? The main parts of the episode were all book parts just slightly different. In Windmills the main parts were not in the book at all.

The stowaway guy is not in the book, well he is but he is following them and never interacts with them. In the book they go to Eros, not the side trip to the asteroid. The hit team in the hotel is not Earth security but the rogue security outfit that's part of the bio-weapon developers.

So a lot of hamburger helper which has cost them probably two full episodes (and added nothing to the story) and now they have two episodes to finish the book that they are maybe 60% through.

I'd be OK with them moving it along and getting to the end of "Leviathan Wakes" in two episodes but it sure looks like they plan to leave the last 20% of the book for next years episodes which makes no sense since it will create a odd break in the series next year as they transition from Leviathan Wakes to Abaddon's Gate which is years later.

It also creates a problem in where to end season one if not at the end of Leviathan Wakes.

TOIVA
January 27th, 2016, 03:16 PM
A very nice episode. What's great about 'The Expanse' episodes (at least the better ones) is that they seem to be much longer than just 42 mins.

In this episode, several times I had a feeling that it's ending. But no, it just kept on going and delivering.

VampyreWraith
January 27th, 2016, 03:26 PM
The stowaway guy is not in the book, well he is but he is following them and never interacts with them. In the book they go to Eros, not the side trip to the asteroid. The hit team in the hotel is not Earth security but the rogue security outfit that's part of the bio-weapon developers.

So a lot of hamburger helper which has cost them probably two full episodes (and added nothing to the story) and now they have two episodes to finish the book that they are maybe 60% through.

I'd be OK with them moving it along and getting to the end of "Leviathan Wakes" in two episodes but it sure looks like they plan to leave the last 20% of the book for next years episodes which makes no sense since it will create a odd break in the series next year as they transition from Leviathan Wakes to Abaddon's Gate which is years later.

It also creates a problem in where to end season one if not at the end of Leviathan Wakes.


In the book, they go to the asteroid and find the stealth ship after they see it (the asteroid) mentioned in Julie's notes. So they do go to there, only it's after they find Julie and Miller is with them.

ecgordon
January 27th, 2016, 04:28 PM
This was the best ep so far, and I do believe they'll finish off the Leviathan Wakes storyline next week, when all along I was sure they couldn't do it. I've had a few quibbles about the adaptation so far, but for the most part they're crushing it. Best work Thomas Jane has ever done, and Wes Chatham finally has me convinced he is Amos Burton. I just wish they had 13 eps this season so they could have fleshed out the characters more, given more screen time to Naomi and Alex. It's going to be a long, agonizing wait for Season 2.

Ian-S
January 27th, 2016, 04:43 PM
A very nice episode. What's great about 'The Expanse' episodes (at least the better ones) is that they seem to be much longer than just 42 mins.

In this episode, several times I had a feeling that it's ending. But no, it just kept on going and delivering.

Same here, I kept checking the time to make sure I wasn't watching a double length episode or something lol.

EaglesPDX
January 27th, 2016, 04:48 PM
I just wish they had 13 eps this season so they could have fleshed out the characters more, given more screen time to Naomi and Alex.

There's really not much on them in Leviathan Wakes as far as backstory. They are all hiding pasts they are running away from but only Holden's background is explained. One thing they did in Windmills was add in a backstory on Holden, why did a kid who had everything runaway to join the military.

Backstories on all of them in the final book and there's a novella just on Amos and where he comes from.

Hope you are right about them fitting it all in but by back end loading it, they are going to have to really leave a lot out to finish it up.

dosed150
January 27th, 2016, 07:16 PM
i havent actually read the books, but you cant expect a tv adaptation to completely line up with the source material, and isnt it a bit more exciting when you dont actually know what might be coming exactly

EaglesPDX
January 27th, 2016, 08:53 PM
i havent actually read the books, but you cant expect a tv adaptation to completely line up with the source material, and isnt it a bit more exciting when you dont actually know what might be coming exactly

That is why the chose the source material in the first place. And with a long series, no reason not to pretty much tell the whole story. The video has to change how it tells it the story but no need to change the story unless it serves a purpose.

That's why it would be good to talk to the authors since they were in on the TV series adaptation.

Annoyed
January 28th, 2016, 03:20 AM
This was probably the best yet, simply because the "expolration" of the stealth ship.

Unfortunately, this series doesn't seem to be my cup of tea. It's something I'm watching because I want to like it, not because I can't wait to see what happens next.

Katch
January 28th, 2016, 05:34 AM
The authors are actually very active on social media etc;

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheExpanse/
https://twitter.com/ExpanseSyfy
https://twitter.com/TheExpanseWR
https://twitter.com/JamesSACorey (This is Ty Franck)
https://twitter.com/AbrahamHanover

Lots of questions already answered but if you have more, just ask them

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheExpanse/comments/2stkfp/informal_ama_for_the_subreddit/

EaglesPDX
January 28th, 2016, 10:10 AM
Thanks for the links.

ecgordon
January 28th, 2016, 11:26 AM
This was probably the best yet, simply because the "expolration" of the stealth ship.

Unfortunately, this series doesn't seem to be my cup of tea. It's something I'm watching because I want to like it, not because I can't wait to see what happens next.
If you're a reader I suggest you check out Leviathan Wakes. Then maybe you'd understand why I had been anticipating this show so much. It's not as good as the book, but it's pretty close, and it is the best thing I'm currently watching. I wish I knew what it is that's not working for you.

Annoyed
January 29th, 2016, 03:30 AM
I do like to read, but I don't have time to indulge. Hell, I can't keep up with the TV I want to watch.

I haven't read the material I gather this series is based on, so I'm coming in fresh.

Basically, I am sick and damned tired of what is passing for sci fi these days. With few exceptions, all we are getting is stories about a near future dysfunctional human society, with humans fighting, scheming and conniving against other humans. I've seen human squabbling till I'm blue in the face. The names, places, and details vary, but the song remains the same.

What I want to see is something where humans are exploring the unknown, or maybe even humans in a situation that is truly new, and how they solve problems. Ascension could have been a good show, had the original idea Sci Fi had advertised really been what it was about.

We already know humans treat each other like shiznit. Nothing new to explore there.

Katch
January 29th, 2016, 03:38 AM
I do like to read, but I don't have time to indulge. Hell, I can't keep up with the TV I want to watch.

I haven't read the material I gather this series is based on, so I'm coming in fresh.

Basically, I am sick and damned tired of what is passing for sci fi these days. With few exceptions, all we are getting is stories about a near future dysfunctional human society, with humans fighting, scheming and conniving against other humans. I've seen human squabbling till I'm blue in the face. The names, places, and details vary, but the song remains the same.

What I want to see is something where humans are exploring the unknown, or maybe even humans in a situation that is truly new, and how they solve problems. Ascension could have been a good show, had the original idea Sci Fi had advertised really been what it was about.

We already know humans treat each other like shiznit. Nothing new to explore there.

I've said it before - give it time.

The books are easy reads, quick and light going unlike some hard sci-fi like Banks, Hamilton and Reynolds.

pjt
January 31st, 2016, 04:15 PM
Nothing new to explore there.

You did see that black goo, that reacts to radiation, did you? You did see Julie in the end? There's lots to explore here.