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GateWorld
January 2nd, 2016, 02:55 PM
<DIV ALIGN="center"><TABLE WIDTH="450" BORDER="0" CELLSPACING="0" CELLPADDING="7"><TR><TD STYLE="border: none;"><DIV ALIGN="left"><FONT FACE="Verdana, Arial, san-serif" SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000"><A HREF="http://www.scifistream.com/the-expanse/s1/windmills/"><IMG SRC="http://www.scifistream.com/wp-content/uploads/windmills-160x120.jpg" WIDTH="160" HEIGHT="120" ALIGN="right" HSPACE="10" VSPACE="2" BORDER="0" STYLE="border: 1px black solid;" ALT="Visit the Episode Guide"></A><FONT SIZE="1" COLOR="#888888">THE EXPANSE - SEASON ONE</FONT>
<FONT SIZE="4"><A HREF="http://www.scifistream.com/the-expanse/s1/windmills/" STYLE="text-decoration: none;">WINDMILLS</A></FONT>
<FONT SIZE="1">EPISODE NUMBER - 107</FONT>
<DIV STYLE="margin-top:10px; padding:0;">The <em>Rocinante</em> crew find a stow-away on board, whose radio signal attracts unwanted attention from a Martian patrol ship. Avasarala visits Holden's family farm in Montana to learn what sort of man he is, and Miller sets off on a new journey after the life he knew comes to an end.</DIV>
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VampyreWraith
January 20th, 2016, 06:58 AM
I really enjoyed this episode. I think it developed Holden and crew fairly well (Holden moreso than anyone else). The parts on the Rocinante were my favorite during this ep. I also liked the parts with Avasarala and Holden's mother. I'm really looking forward to the next episode. This is probably my favorite show on TV right now. :)

ecgordon
January 20th, 2016, 08:51 AM
I liked it in spite of the fact they deviated from the books more than any other episode. What's the weirdest thing about that is Daniel Abraham and Ty Franck wrote it.

VampyreWraith
January 20th, 2016, 09:35 AM
I didn't realize that this episode was written by the books authors. I generally don't mind book deviations as long as they're entertaining and it doesn't change/affect things overall in a major way.

EaglesPDX
January 20th, 2016, 10:50 AM
I liked it in spite of the fact they deviated from the books more than any other episode. What's the weirdest thing about that is Daniel Abraham and Ty Franck wrote it.

It is interesting that the authors of the books are in on the changes the series makes from the books. And there are a lot of them and fairly major.

1. Dawes. In the book, Dawes is more in the background and less malevolent. Dawes doesn't order Miller killed as he does in the TV series.

2. The Avasarola agent onboard during ride to Eros. Does't happen in the book. It doesn't seem to serve any point other than create delay in the story.

3. Erenright (Avasarola's boss) does not order a hit on Holden.

It is interesting to watch the changes the author's go alone with in the TV series.

ecgordon
January 20th, 2016, 12:40 PM
Any story will undergo changes when it is adapted to another medium. I was skeptical for a while that they would be able to complete the first novel's arc this season, but now I'm pretty sure they will, and some of the changes will be part of how they've streamlined the story in able to do it.

Katch
January 21st, 2016, 02:26 AM
This show is growing on me more and more with each episode. I initially found some of the casting a little jarring with my own mental rendering of the characters from the books.

Avasarala is pitch perfect casting as far as I'm concerned, I like her a lot.

Miller was completely different from my own imagining of him and really didn't seem to fit the character. But, despite that, I've enjoyed Tom Jane's Miller from the start.

Amos really didn't work for me initially - he just didn't seem big enough but he is definitely growing on me.

Holden is definitely improving for me as is Alex; the only character I still have a hard time with is Naomi. She's just not tall and willowy enough to fit the character I know from the books. That and I find her acting a little forced.

As for this episode, it felt like it really drove the plot forward. Like others have said, I wasn't sure how we were going to make it to the money shots from the source material but now I can definitely see how the season will unfold now.

pjt
January 21st, 2016, 01:07 PM
1. Dawes. In the book, Dawes is more in the background and less malevolent. Dawes doesn't order Miller killed as he does in the TV series.


When they cast Jared Harris for this part, I knew it will deviate from the books. He's more like David Robert Jones from Fringe, less delusional, but equally crazy.

EaglesPDX
January 21st, 2016, 03:43 PM
I was skeptical for a while that they would be able to complete the first novel's arc this season, but now I'm pretty sure they will, and some of the changes will be part of how they've streamlined the story in able to do it.

I don't see how they can finish the 1st book in the first TV series. They should have been able to but "Windmills" was a totally superfluous episode, so much of it wasn't in the book. The stowaway on the Rocinante, Avasarala's visit with Holden's mother, Millers confrontation with Dawes, all that was not in the book so they could have had Holden and Miller on Eros in "Windmills". Then all the Eros action in next episode. Then all the post Eros action on last episode.

Maybe I've got the episode count wrong, how many episodes are in the first TV season?

EaglesPDX
January 21st, 2016, 03:50 PM
When they cast Jared Harris for this part, I knew it will deviate from the books. He's more like David Robert Jones from Fringe, less delusional, but equally crazy.

Dawes is not a crazy guy at all, in the book or the series. He's one of the good guys in the book which is why having him order Miller to be killed is out of character and throws the story off. It looks like the only reason for it was to have the subsequent scene where Miller confronts him later.

Wish Sy Fy had a discussion area where the crew answered questions.

ecgordon
January 21st, 2016, 07:15 PM
Maybe I've got the episode count wrong, how many episodes are in the first TV season?
Ten episodes total, three more to go. They should get to Eros next ep, then the finale is on 2 Feb. with two eps back to back.

VampyreWraith
January 22nd, 2016, 08:58 AM
The next episode is called Salvage, and based on the synopsis it sounds like Miller and Holden and crew will meet on Eros and find Julie's body, they'll probably also find the stealth ship (maybe before Holden and crew get to Eros and meet Miller). That's almost 3/4 of the first book done by the end of next ep. They'll probably do flashbacks to what happened to Julie for the episode after that though, but still, they might be able to finish the first book by the end of this season.

EaglesPDX
January 22nd, 2016, 10:27 AM
That's almost 3/4 of the first book done by the end of next ep. They'll probably do flashbacks to what happened to Julie for the episode after that though, but still, they might be able to finish the first book by the end of this season.

A LOT happens on Eros and we aren't even there yet. Seems like a lot to get in the three remaining episodes. They'd have to really streamline the story on the backend to accommodate a lot of stuff that was not in the book and didn't seem to add to the story (Dawes ordering Millers murder, Avasarala's visit to Holden's mother, the stowaway) but took a lot of time to tell.

A book a season would be the way to do it.

VampyreWraith
January 22nd, 2016, 12:44 PM
I agree that they'd have to condense a lot of stuff if they're going to finish the first book this season. As it is right now, they're not even halfway through it. I was just speculating based on the episode titles and the synopsis for the next episode.

I also think that it would be best if they did a book a season.

ecgordon
January 23rd, 2016, 06:38 AM
Next season will be 13 episodes, which will be much better, but it all depends on how far they get in the remaining ones this year. My first guess was they would get to the point of discovering Julie in the hotel on Eros, but leaving us with a cliffhanger at that point.

EaglesPDX
January 23rd, 2016, 12:02 PM
My first guess was they would get to the point of discovering Julie in the hotel on Eros, but leaving us with a cliffhanger at that point.

That is in the preview for the next episode, No. 8. That gives them two final episodes to cover events on Eros after they discover Juile Mao. I guess that is doable. The first book, "Leviathan Wakes" is 18 hours on audio book. Each TV episode is 43 minutes x 10 = 7 hours. Not sure what the "compression ratio" is from book to film but, because No. 7 was mostly stuff not in the book, they basically have 84 minutes to tell 6 hours of the story.

Empress Vajnraa
January 24th, 2016, 05:27 PM
That is in the preview for the next episode, No. 8. That gives them two final episodes to cover events on Eros after they discover Juile Mao. I guess that is doable. The first book, "Leviathan Wakes" is 18 hours on audio book. Each TV episode is 43 minutes x 10 = 7 hours. Not sure what the "compression ratio" is from book to film but, because No. 7 was mostly stuff not in the book, they basically have 84 minutes to tell 6 hours of the story.

Well with a tv show, you don't need to have someone describe the scene, what the characters look like, what they're doing, nor all the visuals or the characters' internal dialogue. You just show it and hope the actors can get it across. The time ratio of audio book to live action isn't even comparable.

EaglesPDX
January 25th, 2016, 08:49 AM
Well with a tv show, you don't need to have someone describe the scene, what the characters look like, what they're doing, nor all the visuals or the characters' internal dialogue. You just show it and hope the actors can get it across. The time ratio of audio book to live action isn't even comparable.

Usually the movie version of any book leaves out a lot. In this case, The Expanse would be the equivalent to 6 hour movie, gets to include a lot more but still has to trim a lot of the detail and side stories. The Expanse lost almost an entire episode, 43 minutes, with "Windmills" because most of that episode was not in the book. The long Dawes/Miller interrogation in the previous episode was not in the book. So they have put in a lot that wasn't in the book and are behind in telling the story. There will have to be a lot of compression in the last three episodes if they are going to tell the entire "Leviathan Wakes" story.

EaglesPDX
January 25th, 2016, 08:55 AM
The time ratio of audio book to live action isn't even comparable.

In the movies, it's roughly 10 words in the book per second of movie time.

yukin1990
June 11th, 2016, 04:00 PM
I have read the second book of the series. And skip the first book of the series, some of my opinions maybe let some peoples disagreeing with me.
i actually like this episode, it kind of explain why Avasarala do what she did in the second book. I like the scene where Avasarala having a conversation with Elise Holden, James Holden's mother is just like in depth, civilize conversation, mother to mother. It appear Avasarala character is devious politician but try to do right by her people(Maintain peace and stop bloodshed!!). And originally, Avasarala are having much potty mouth in the novel!!!:indeed:
I also like the sequence where the Roci encounter the martian patrol("Donkey balls!!!!").
Sometime author want to change the content to improve storytelling of the novel, they are doing so by adding, deleting or changing some of the content in the book!!