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December 11th, 2015, 10:08 PM
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<DIV STYLE="margin-top:10px; padding:0;">The Doctor crosses paths with River Song, who does not recognize him for who he is as she enlists his help in stealing the head of her husband King Hydroflax -- leading to a frantic chase across the galaxy when the King's giant robotic bodyguard comes looking for him.</DIV>
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GodAtum
December 25th, 2015, 09:20 AM
very funny to start with! But I get so confused about River. She was Amy's child but regenerated a few times to become River, then was captured by the Silence and tried to kill the Doctor. then she was in prision and died when her mind got uploaded?

Flyboy
December 25th, 2015, 09:37 AM
Atum,

http://www.timey-wimey.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/tumblr_mgc5laW9tI1s2ebswo1_1280.jpg

May help?



I have to say I really enjoyed this episode. Whilst it was not my favourite Christmas ep ever, or indeed 'big' episode, it's one of the select few that I have absolutely no criticisms over. A wonderfully perfect festive adventure.

Now the question... given that this takes place after Manhattan... does it also take place after 'Last Night' or before it?

Teddybrown
December 25th, 2015, 03:07 PM
Good episode but wasn't really concentrating due to Christmas goings on in the background. Will need to watch again.

Does feel like Rivers journey is over now, it was a nice final episode for her if that's what it was, but if it isn't, I'd be happy to see her again

tomstone
December 25th, 2015, 09:46 PM
Good episode but wasn't really concentrating due to Christmas goings on in the background. Will need to watch again.

Does feel like Rivers journey is over now, it was a nice final episode for her if that's what it was, but if it isn't, I'd be happy to see her again

Thats the thing that most confused me. River saw a face she has never seen before and they met NOW. The Doctor knew her and she knew him. Since both are timetravellers, there are hundrets of potential meetings. I really hope its not the end of her, but it certainly was nice if it was.

P-90_177
December 26th, 2015, 07:41 AM
Atum,

http://www.timey-wimey.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/tumblr_mgc5laW9tI1s2ebswo1_1280.jpg

May help?



I have to say I really enjoyed this episode. Whilst it was not my favourite Christmas ep ever, or indeed 'big' episode, it's one of the select few that I have absolutely no criticisms over. A wonderfully perfect festive adventure.

Now the question... given that this takes place after Manhattan... does it also take place after 'Last Night' or before it?

After. Like River said, he'd planned to take her many times but always backed out, and the Eleventh Doctor had a real thing against endings so I'm betting he found a convenient way to change course and take her on a different adventure.


Thats the thing that most confused me. River saw a face she has never seen before and they met NOW. The Doctor knew her and she knew him. Since both are timetravellers, there are hundrets of potential meetings. I really hope its not the end of her, but it certainly was nice if it was.

The thing is, River only knew of 12 faces before this episode, and she said that the last time they saw eachother was when he took her to see the Singing Towers... so yes, this is the last time River meets with the Doctor... However... he would know this himself so there is a little bit of an out in that regard if we say it's the last time she KNOWINGLY met the Doctor. Plus I suppose she could always get cleverly resurrected at some point.

tomstone
December 26th, 2015, 01:14 PM
After. Like River said, he'd planned to take her many times but always backed out, and the Eleventh Doctor had a real thing against endings so I'm betting he found a convenient way to change course and take her on a different adventure.



The thing is, River only knew of 12 faces before this episode, and she said that the last time they saw eachother was when he took her to see the Singing Towers... so yes, this is the last time River meets with the Doctor... However... he would know this himself so there is a little bit of an out in that regard if we say it's the last time she KNOWINGLY met the Doctor. Plus I suppose she could always get cleverly resurrected at some point.

I would say by now Dr. Who reached a point where everything is possible. They make up rules and lately they are all being broken. River and the Doctor where supposed to meet in opposite directions, she should have never seen this face and there is still to discuss if History has not been rewritten just by giving the Doctor more regenerations.

P-90_177
December 26th, 2015, 01:53 PM
I would say by now Dr. Who reached a point where everything is possible. They make up rules and lately they are all being broken. River and the Doctor where supposed to meet in opposite directions, she should have never seen this face and there is still to discuss if History has not been rewritten just by giving the Doctor more regenerations.

They don't meet in opposite directions, they meet in a random order.

As for Trenzalore..well.. Time can be re-written.

Coco Pops
December 26th, 2015, 03:16 PM
Better then I had expected it would be considering it's a Christmas special.

7/10

Geez that River.

She's such a hussy :) I love her.

That dinner table scene kind of grossed me out at the time because I was eating and then the Doctor's line cracked me up I spat my food out.

That promo pic shows River in something that looks almost mechanical, Daleky even..

Was she wearing that in the episode because I did not notice?

Coco Pops
December 26th, 2015, 03:23 PM
I would say by now Dr. Who reached a point where everything is possible. They make up rules and lately they are all being broken. River and the Doctor where supposed to meet in opposite directions, she should have never seen this face and there is still to discuss if History has not been rewritten just by giving the Doctor more regenerations.



Well the whole Trenzalore thingy is a paradox as far as I am concerned.

It seems to me the same kind of "paradox loop" exists in "Time Of The Doctor" when Clara implores the Time Lords to fix the Doctor's death. The Doctor not dying on Trenzalore means there's no grave on Trenzalore which means there is no grave there any more so none of that ever happened?

To me this means the GI and Echo Clara never go back into the Doctor's timestream, which means The Snowmen never happens, which means The Doctor never tracks down the Impossible Girl, which means their whole relationship never happens, which means she's not there on Trenzalore to ask the Time Lords to change those events. Paradox loop. The timeline disintegrates.

Has this paradox ever been addressed? Was it some kind of Time Lord magic that Gallifrey could do for the Doctor but the Doctor couldn't do for Danny?

epg20
December 27th, 2015, 07:36 PM
the river story line might come to an end, BUT, who says that it has to stay at an end, the doctor has left so many ,fairly powerful "companions" out there that they need to start to run in to them, romana, the doctors daughter, and the BIG supply of potential companions, the library, just because her body died, doesn't mean that her body can't be brought back, I mean, after all, the library DOES have a teleport system, and we have seen that there is a way to come back from the dead, the doctor did it every day for 4 billion years.

epg20
December 27th, 2015, 07:43 PM
Well the whole Trenzalore thingy is a paradox as far as I am concerned.

It seems to me the same kind of "paradox loop" exists in "Time Of The Doctor" when Clara implores the Time Lords to fix the Doctor's death. The Doctor not dying on Trenzalore means there's no grave on Trenzalore which means there is no grave there any more so none of that ever happened?

To me this means the GI and Echo Clara never go back into the Doctor's timestream, which means The Snowmen never happens, which means The Doctor never tracks down the Impossible Girl, which means their whole relationship never happens, which means she's not there on Trenzalore to ask the Time Lords to change those events. Paradox loop. The timeline disintegrates.

Has this paradox ever been addressed? Was it some kind of Time Lord magic that Gallifrey could do for the Doctor but the Doctor couldn't do for Danny?

remember we did see clara die, BUT she had a tardis and like river song said," I could take it for as long as I want and do with it what ever I want and return it between seconds and he would never know the difference"

"oh yes he would"

"he hasn't yet"

so, there is no telling how long it will be before she is put back in to her body and killed.

epg20
December 27th, 2015, 08:16 PM
the life of river song


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrgLNER9JBM

the rest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWoDuF84i9E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSgEVFAjVDM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5XlC6Q6njg

cosmichobo
December 28th, 2015, 11:50 AM
I've enjoyed some of River's song, but I think this is a perfect note to end her run on. The Doctor didn't back away - in fact he pushed forward toward her last encounter with him (in her chronology) before her final ending, and to have him meet her again now really would need some twist of illogic... which of course Moffat does every other day, sadly, so I somehow doubt it will be her last...

The story itself... "Fun", I guess, but I'd rather have A Feast of Steven.

P-90_177
December 28th, 2015, 12:15 PM
Well the whole Trenzalore thingy is a paradox as far as I am concerned.

It seems to me the same kind of "paradox loop" exists in "Time Of The Doctor" when Clara implores the Time Lords to fix the Doctor's death. The Doctor not dying on Trenzalore means there's no grave on Trenzalore which means there is no grave there any more so none of that ever happened?

To me this means the GI and Echo Clara never go back into the Doctor's timestream, which means The Snowmen never happens, which means The Doctor never tracks down the Impossible Girl, which means their whole relationship never happens, which means she's not there on Trenzalore to ask the Time Lords to change those events. Paradox loop. The timeline disintegrates.

Has this paradox ever been addressed? Was it some kind of Time Lord magic that Gallifrey could do for the Doctor but the Doctor couldn't do for Danny?

Just because the Doctor didn't die at Trenzalore that day it doesn't mean he won't still die there.

Coco Pops
December 28th, 2015, 05:07 PM
Just because the Doctor didn't die at Trenzalore that day it doesn't mean he won't still die there.


Yeah I get that, but it bugs me still.

epg20
December 29th, 2015, 07:14 PM
Just because the Doctor didn't die at Trenzalore that day it doesn't mean he won't still die there.

I wouldn't be too sure. 41360

"Doctor Who: The End of Time: Part Two" (2010)
Ood Sigma: This song is ending. But the story never ends.

pjt
December 31st, 2015, 03:15 AM
Well, we saw him as the curator as and old version of a face he revisited, but he still can get to Trenzalore, and die there.
As for River, they lived in the opposite direction until she died in the Library and then was transfered to the computer core they had there. But even after they saw each other, more so the electronic version of here died on Trenzalore and Eleven and her said their good byes.
Twelve met her nearing her end, but before the Library happened.

rushy
December 31st, 2015, 05:51 AM
Judging from what we saw in Series 7, I'm fairly sure the Trenzalore arc is meant to be behind us. It was only important to the first cycle Doctors, 1-11.

maneth
January 4th, 2016, 08:13 AM
Cool and confusing, and a bit gross at times. Perfect for a Christmas special.

edgarcorny
May 12th, 2017, 08:39 AM
Hi,

"if History has not been rewritten just by giving the Doctor more regenerations. "

If you remember the Classic episodes, the Master was out of regenerations and struggling to hold on in the 1970 era episodes. He's still around as a she now. The Master has had at least three generations in the new series.

From my prospective, I'd like to see the Doctor's Daughter (Peter Davison's real daughter) and River meet up with the Doctor in the middle. Maybe add another Doctor as Grand Pa Doctor for Christmas? Of course adding the Doctor's wife (the TARDIS in a human body) as a foil for River would also make a very-odd item for the Doctor to settle.

FWIW

Doug vV

Coco Pops
May 12th, 2017, 09:07 PM
Hi,

"if History has not been rewritten just by giving the Doctor more regenerations. "

If you remember the Classic episodes, the Master was out of regenerations and struggling to hold on in the 1970 era episodes. He's still around as a she now. The Master has had at least three generations in the new series.

From my prospective, I'd like to see the Doctor's Daughter (Peter Davison's real daughter) and River meet up with the Doctor in the middle. Maybe add another Doctor as Grand Pa Doctor for Christmas? Of course adding the Doctor's wife (the TARDIS in a human body) as a foil for River would also make a very-odd item for the Doctor to settle.

FWIW

Doug vV



I very much like that last idea, or if you can't get a body have the TARDIS find a way to speak with the same voice as she had in "The Doctor's Wife"

Tons of fans want Jenny to return . She had regeneration energy you know.