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GateWorld
September 29th, 2015, 10:52 PM
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<FONT SIZE="1">EPISODE NUMBER - 3503 (903)</FONT>
<DIV STYLE="margin-top:10px; padding:0;">After the discovery of an alien vessel deep under water, the Doctor and Clara arrive at a research base where the frightened crew are under attack from what appear to be ghosts.</DIV>
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Teddybrown
October 3rd, 2015, 01:16 PM
Intruiging first part and looking forward to seeing how it all gets resolved!

Sealurk
October 3rd, 2015, 01:19 PM
Very enjoyable, some great lines and moments (LOVED the flash cards/prompts :D ) and an interesting set up for part two.

Teddybrown
October 3rd, 2015, 04:00 PM
Forgot how much I love Doctor Who two parters, being slightly confused for the first part...

DigiFluid
October 3rd, 2015, 06:54 PM
I really enjoyed this one. Three solid episodes so far -- series 9 is looking to be a huge improvement over last year already. Can't wait for next week.

Anybody else notice that one of the flash cards was a sweet little reference to Sarah Jane?

Coco Pops
October 3rd, 2015, 09:32 PM
I was kind of hoping the aliens would be something like the Vashta Nerada....


There is one thing in new who that does bug me and it's happened more in "new who" then old who but when a big bad is about to kill them all the Doctor will say something like "look me up" and then suddenly the bad guys give them time....

Like what's that? Is the Doctor that bad ass that bad guys back off when they look him up?

cosmichobo
October 3rd, 2015, 11:49 PM
Certainly, 2 parters are finally alive and well... thus far.

Gonna have to watch it again, cos had 2 kids and a possibly-pre-labouring wife to ignore whilst watching...

Coco Pops
October 4th, 2015, 01:35 AM
I'll say I am excited for part 2

P-90_177
October 4th, 2015, 02:18 AM
I was kind of hoping the aliens would be something like the Vashta Nerada....


There is one thing in new who that does bug me and it's happened more in "new who" then old who but when a big bad is about to kill them all the Doctor will say something like "look me up" and then suddenly the bad guys give them time....

Like what's that? Is the Doctor that bad ass that bad guys back off when they look him up?

Because as far as history is concerned he wiped out both the Timelords and the Daleks, ontop of any number of feats tat he has performed and killing a lot of monsters in the process.

Sealurk
October 4th, 2015, 03:06 AM
Watched it again, as usual.

"Was it something she said? She does that. She once had an argument with Ghandi."

Probably something small, but it tripped my significance-detector anyway: how does O'Donnell know of the Doctor? I suppose if she's military and they're aware of UNIT they've been briefed - their reaction to the craft being alien was telling, presumably it's fully public now. Never mind, answered my own question.

Ah, Tivoli. Should we all join in a rousing chorus of "Glory to <insert name here>" in honour of the return of the most cowardly and invaded race in existence? Though it raises the question... what was he doing on Earth? Why would such a cowardly alien come here? If Tivoli took the gold in the Being Invaded By Aliens event, surely Earth snatched the silver?

Love the cards. Perfect, perfect touch for this Doctor. I hope we see them again. Also, for the hell of it, here they are, excluding the one the Doctor read out:


I completely understand why it was difficult not to get captured.
It was my fault, I should have known you didn't live in Aberdeen. If you didn't get it, this was the Sarah-Jane reference Digi mentioned
I didn't mean to imply that I don't care.
No-one is going to get eaten/vapourised/exterminated/upgraded/possessed/mortally wounded/turned to jelly, we'll all get out of this unharmed.


"Why can you only handle metal objects?" Hmm, missed this first time around - Capaldi's delivery was a tad fast for me, but it fit the scene.

Cloister bell and a very unhappy and, dare I say it, scared TARDIS... that's ominous. I like ominous. Doctor Who needs more ominous. Also, taking into account what the Doctor says about the ghosts and remembering how she reacted to Captain Jack after he'd become a fixed point... the TARDIS really doesn't like unnatural things.

"So can I stop now?" "Please, please do." Brilliant little moment, great acting on both parts.

This might be the first episode where I actually like Clara (not counting her Asylum of the Daleks echo/splinter).

Anybody else thinking O'Donnell is going to be another almost-companion?

"You took it apart and used the pieces to make a clockwork squirrel" made me laugh more than I care to admit.

The moment the new ghost even starts to appear, you know exactly who it is. Why is another matter entirely... definitely looking forward to part two. If the rest of the series continues with the same quality as this and The Witch's Familiar I am going to seriously enjoy it.

cosmichobo
October 4th, 2015, 05:40 AM
Yes - this is the season we should have had last season... **** the Am I A Good Man ****... just get into some really good, exciting, scary stories!

My nearly 8 year old - at times I watched him pretty closely, as those ghosts could be pretty scary I imagine... (not quite the same as Event Horison, but still..) But whilst he was quite... quiet... at times, he coped well, and was incredibly excited, and talking for hours later about what could happen in part 2... :)

I just hope part 2 holds the pace, doesn't slack off, and doesn't involve too much Big Red button-ing...

Annoyed
October 4th, 2015, 05:53 AM
I was kind of hoping the aliens would be something like the Vashta Nerada....


There is one thing in new who that does bug me and it's happened more in "new who" then old who but when a big bad is about to kill them all the Doctor will say something like "look me up" and then suddenly the bad guys give them time....

Like what's that? Is the Doctor that bad ass that bad guys back off when they look him up?

In a word: Yes. He does have quite an impressive track record.

Annoyed
October 4th, 2015, 06:04 AM
I agree with the posters above who say this is a marked improvement over last year. Seems that it took a season for everything to gel, as happens with some shows and even franchises.

P-90_177
October 4th, 2015, 08:58 AM
I agree with the posters above who say this is a marked improvement over last year. Seems that it took a season for everything to gel, as happens with some shows and even franchises.

See I always felt that way about series 2. It has some good episodes, (Including the Satan Pit two parter which this did feel very similar to) but on the whole there is a lot left to be desired from it in terms of story and it was weaker than series 1 and the series that came after it.

Pharaoh Hamenthotep
October 4th, 2015, 10:34 AM
Certainly, 2 parters are finally alive and well... thus far.

Gonna have to watch it again, cos had 2 kids and a possibly-pre-labouring wife to ignore whilst watching...

From the episode titles this looks like a whole season of two parters :cool:

That's what Doctor Who needs, more time to develop stories. Not just alien thing happens, witty one liner from the Doctor and everything is back to normal all within 45 minutes.. It always seems rushed. Now if they could just figure out that "Season long arc" doesn't mean mysterious thing in the first episode, vague hint in the fifth and then all revealed in the last one..

Flyboy
October 4th, 2015, 12:20 PM
From the episode titles this looks like a whole season of two parters :cool:

That's what Doctor Who needs, more time to develop stories. Not just alien thing happens, witty one liner from the Doctor and everything is back to normal all within 45 minutes.. It always seems rushed. Now if they could just figure out that "Season long arc" doesn't mean mysterious thing in the first episode, vague hint in the fifth and then all revealed in the last one..

I keep trying to 'Like' your comments... but alas, I can't atm.

I agree. Kinda like the old school 80s era of Colin Baker where you had 2 x 45 min eps per story. I really liked that format! :D

GodAtum
October 4th, 2015, 02:09 PM
I wonder why the deaf girl was telling her mate not to go into the spaceship.

Annoyed
October 4th, 2015, 02:22 PM
2 parters or even more within a season are fine, but I don't want to see them get in the habit of breaking everything up, considering how long the wait is between seasons.

Sealurk
October 4th, 2015, 04:15 PM
I'm definitely in favour of lots of two-parters, and I can't help but wonder if they would also be preferable from a production standpoint - if you have to pay for sets, props, costumes, CGI, actors and maybe location shoots surely you get more value if you can use them for more than one episode. Maybe it eases the strain on the principal actors a little as well?

Coco Pops
October 5th, 2015, 02:11 AM
Not sure if this is true but anyway read away.

http://www.inquisitr.com/2468263/doctor-who-movie-to-replace-struggling-television-series-bbc-admit-show-is-in-crisis-period/#ZslDHOov7bSmMFze.99

Annoyed
October 5th, 2015, 03:17 AM
I hope that article isn't true.

Sealurk
October 5th, 2015, 03:41 AM
I hope that article isn't true.

As stated in the News thread (http://forum.gateworld.net/threads/25886-Doctor-Who-News-Articles-Cast-and-Crew-Interviews/page545) it's The Mirror reporting this - for anybody who doesn't know, The Mirror is one of the UK's tabloid newspapers so everything is sensationalised and blown out of proportion, so take anything they say with a few truck loads of salt.

That said, the same story is doing the rounds in a variety of forms, so there is probably little truth to it - most likely the cast and crew want a bit of a break so they're taking a year off from doing a full series and just doing specials, like they did with Tennant. I would be very surprised to find out it actually is because of a "ratings crisis".

Pharaoh Hamenthotep
October 5th, 2015, 04:34 AM
The "live" ratings are falling. But the live ratings don't take into account the number of people who watch through the BBC Iplayer.

4.6 million watched "The Magician's Apprentice" live. When you include the Iplayer viewers that number increases to 6.5 million. And even then it doesn't take into account the number of people watching on tablets or phones.

And when you take the international audience into account...

Coco Pops
October 5th, 2015, 05:41 AM
Yeah I wouldn't worry about the ratings figures... I think they will be solid once you add up all the numbers.

Matt G
October 5th, 2015, 03:34 PM
1. Yeah...ghosts..can't blame the TARDIS for being a bit nervy...these things aren't meant to exist in the WHo universe.

2. UNIT recognised in the 22nd century. First I'd heard they were still around at this point.

3. It'll be interesting to see how they get out of this...and how far back the Doctor goes for that matter.

4. Regarding the ratings concern...I would take that with a pinch of salt...I've wound up watching Who on iplayer quite a lot over the last year or two and in the case of this year it's been up against the Rugby World Cup on ITV! No reason to panic.

rushy
October 6th, 2015, 01:30 PM
Finally saw it. I'll make a full review when the second part comes out, but so far I just want to re-affirm: Doctor Who is back on track!

The serious attitude of this episode felt very refreshing after so many episodes of Moffat flippancy(no offense meant) and the cliffhanger was absolutely brilliant... one of the best I've seen in a long time.

I can't wait for the next episode!

maneth
October 12th, 2015, 08:03 PM
This one was awesome. Modern DW at its best IMO.