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GateWorld
August 13th, 2015, 12:20 AM
<DIV ALIGN="center"><TABLE WIDTH="450" BORDER="0" CELLSPACING="0" CELLPADDING="7"><TR><TD STYLE="border: none;"><DIV ALIGN="left"><FONT FACE="Verdana, Arial, san-serif" SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000"><A HREF="http://www.scifistream.com/falling-skies/s5/reborn/"><IMG SRC="http://www.scifistream.com/wp-content/uploads/reborn-160x120.jpg" WIDTH="160" HEIGHT="120" ALIGN="right" HSPACE="10" VSPACE="2" BORDER="0" STYLE="border: 1px black solid;" ALT="Visit the Episode Guide"></A><FONT SIZE="1" COLOR="#888888">FALLING SKIES SEASON FIVE</FONT>
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<FONT SIZE="1">EPISODE NUMBER - 510</FONT>
<DIV STYLE="margin-top:10px; padding:0;">The 2nd Mass must find a way to penetrate the enemy perimeter in Washington, D.C. in an attempt to take out the Espheni queen and end the war once and for all.</DIV>
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garhkal
August 30th, 2015, 11:00 PM
What a load of utter crap.. And THIS is what we got for a SERIES not just a season Finale?
I am sorry, but if i paid for this in a Theater i would be demanding my money back....

Commander Zelix
August 31st, 2015, 06:20 AM
What an horrible series finale. Completely anticlimactic and unepic.

I had to watch the series finale of Spartacus afterward to restore my faith in television (one of the best series finale EVER in my book).

knowles2
August 31st, 2015, 07:06 AM
That was completely and utterly ****.

I can't find any redeeming quality about it at all. What the hell were the writers thinking.

Perelandra
August 31st, 2015, 09:52 AM
Agreed. First off WAY too rushed. All of season five could have been done so differently, and they wasted valuable time on side stuff when they could have been(leading up to ) defeating the enemy. That is my finger on the problem. Just way too rushed. They could have done 4 or 5 episodes on what they did last night and fleshed it out.
And(Spoiler) did they REALLY need to have Pope in there again?

Teddybrown
August 31st, 2015, 10:05 AM
Got to agree, far too rushed and far too easy...

And only two true deaths, of characters we only met this season...

As much as I liked Anne, it would have been better if she had stayed dead...

Shame this season ended so badly, started off well...

hedwig
August 31st, 2015, 10:09 AM
I was halfway expecting to see Pope in those final scenes in Washington DC. After all, we didn't see him die. We expected him to be dead a couple of weeks ago from the explosion he was in. Yet here he was again.

dosed150
August 31st, 2015, 02:37 PM
well that was a big middle finger after 5 years, deus ex machina nonsense, primitive humans could defeat the espheni yet modern humans struggled, pope not being dead, that thing with anne dying but not dying, the writers really dropped the ball on this

linux geek
August 31st, 2015, 03:02 PM
WTF were they thinking I though this was building to a mega battle on Lord of the rings style
how wrong could I be had they run out of money for the special effects ?????

did not even see any of other fighters they were in name only

and as ever all people that died were new if they were in star trek would be wearing red shirts

really under impressed

TheRandomOne
August 31st, 2015, 04:03 PM
Was I the only one that did not expect a big final battle ? They introduced the queen & the kill the queen & kill them all plot. So that no big budget final battle was needed. I saw that coming

mr_kennedy
August 31st, 2015, 06:04 PM
^ No your not the only one :)

I hate that they brought Pope back for last encounter with Tom, they should have just left him dead in that explosion a few weeks ago

farewell Falling Skies

Perelandra
August 31st, 2015, 07:16 PM
^^Yes me too knew that all it would take was to hit the queen with that device given to Tom by the Dornia(spelling?)
But yes they could have left out the encounter with Pope, IMO unless it was to show that he lived on.
But he wasn't in the last scene when they were all gathered together.

garhkal
August 31st, 2015, 09:23 PM
Agreed. First off WAY too rushed. All of season five could have been done so differently, and they wasted valuable time on side stuff when they could have been(leading up to ) defeating the enemy. That is my finger on the problem. Just way too rushed. They could have done 4 or 5 episodes on what they did last night and fleshed it out.
And(Spoiler) did they REALLY need to have Pope in there again?

That is my gripe. The whole stuff with pope itself, took what, 3 episodes away in essence.. Then add in the 3 with camp 'ran by a skitter in a human form'..


Got to agree, far too rushed and far too easy...

And only two true deaths, of characters we only met this season...

As much as I liked Anne, it would have been better if she had stayed dead...

Shame this season ended so badly, started off well...

That was one of my biggest gripes with this series so far.. Key characters just like SGU/SGA/SW/Trek etc seem to be immune to dying..
I am getting SICK OF IT, and i thought FS was going to break that mold.


did not even see any of other fighters they were in name only

Agreed. I really wished they had made the ep 2 hrs, so they could have at least SHOWED us some of those other militas, other than just one group maybe a dozen bikers strong..

All in all, i an so saddened and mad at how this ended, i don't even think i WANT to add Falling skies to my rewatch list, let alone add it to my DVD collection.

Teddybrown
September 1st, 2015, 05:00 AM
The last scene was far too cheesy...

I mean, where did they get all the clothes, champagne? How long after the final battle was this?

I too wasn't expecting a massive battle, but you would think their Queen would be better guarded after all the 2nd Masses victories and the fact that primitive humans killed her sister...

Matt G
September 1st, 2015, 02:11 PM
1. As people have said...bad pacing for this ep.

2. Scratch that...bad pacing for the entire season.

3. Still, interesting to get more details on the Espheni's motivation's at the end...

Still...gah! :(

garhkal
September 1st, 2015, 09:44 PM
The last scene was far too cheesy...

I mean, where did they get all the clothes, champagne? How long after the final battle was this?

I too wasn't expecting a massive battle, but you would think their Queen would be better guarded after all the 2nd Masses victories and the fact that primitive humans killed her sister...

It seems to be a trend in apocalyptic movies/shows.. When they finish off, they either don't even BOTHER showing reconstruction, or completely skip it.

And i agree. There should have been much more of a focus on the final battle.. We saw what.. Tunnels with eggs.. Someone shooting off a grenade in close quarters.. A few nobodies die, and almost lost the doc.

Woopty do.

I am wondering though.. Has anyone seen any other fan boards discussing falling skies and see what THEY are posting about this..?

Teddybrown
September 2nd, 2015, 05:06 AM
I've read a couple of reviews and they are mostly being let down...

generaloneill
September 2nd, 2015, 06:07 AM
Got to agree, far too rushed and far too easy...

And only two true deaths, of characters we only met this season...

As much as I liked Anne, it would have been better if she had stayed dead...

Shame this season ended so badly, started off well...

I wish Marty had survived true he was only a minor character but i liked him he wasn't a bad guy when he ambushed the Second Mass he was just in a tough situation, he deserved to survive as a biochemist his skills would have been useful in rebuilding after the defeat of the Espheni.


Was I the only one that did not expect a big final battle ? They introduced the queen & the kill the queen & kill them all plot. So that no big budget final battle was needed. I saw that coming

I wasn't expecting a big final battle either, you don't always need a big final battle or a massive weapon to defeat your enemy i just watched the TNG episode I'Borg Picard was planning to use something that would appear harmless but would be very destructive to the borg http://en.memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Topological_anomaly


^ No your not the only one :)

I hate that they brought Pope back for last encounter with Tom, they should have just left him dead in that explosion a few weeks ago

farewell Falling Skies

I disagree his supposed death at the base didn't feel very Pope to me, how he did die was a lot better than his supposed death by conveniently placed barrels filled with explosive contents, exploding barrels is the biggest cliche in not just video games but tv shows and movies, oh what a good idea i'll take cover behind these barrels filled with explosive content surely nothing can get me here then they explode and Pope would be oh hell why did i choose to take cover here of all places.


well that was a big middle finger after 5 years, deus ex machina nonsense, primitive humans could defeat the espheni yet modern humans struggled, pope not being dead, that thing with anne dying but not dying, the writers really dropped the ball on this

The Esphini could have modified their tactics when they saw how far humans had come since the primitive humans had killed the queen's daughter to make it harder for the humans to fight back, the Esphini had some idea of what they were up against so they used every weapon in their arsenal against the humans, eye worms, skitters and hornets, mechs and super mechs, overlords, the Lexi clone, Captain Marshall, those plant like things that could only be destroyed by flamethrowers i forget what they are called, harnessed human children, Karen, and those bug things that exited through Jamil's mouth when the 2nd Mass set up a base the hospital. I think i got everything that the Esphini used against the humans.


^^Yes me too knew that all it would take was to hit the queen with that device given to Tom by the Dornia(spelling?)
But yes they could have left out the encounter with Pope, IMO unless it was to show that he lived on.
But he wasn't in the last scene when they were all gathered together.

I liked the final encounter with Pope it felt a lot better than his supposed death at the base.


The last scene was far too cheesy...

I mean, whered they get all the clothes, champagne? How long after the final battle was this?

I too wasn't expecting a massive battle, but you would think their Queen would be better guarded after all the 2nd Masses victories and the fact that primitive humans killed her sister...

I'm guessing it takes place several months if not longer after the final battle seeing as the Washington monument was being rebuilt and it had only partially been destroyed by the Esphini either during the initial invasion or since they set up a base in DC.

I liked the ending i would have hated to see any or all of the characters die, i've become so attached to all the characters over the last 5 seaons and i'd hate to lose any of them.

LOL at Anthony's last name on that uniform he was wearing that's assuming that is his real last name and that it wasn't allready on the uniform when he got it from whereever he got it, Welker maybe that was some behind the scenes staff having a joke at Anthony's expense since he did welk out on the 2nd Mass and run off with Pope, is welked out even an expression/saying i'm sure i heard it used somewhere years ago.

I'm guessing that the queen didn't feel the need to be guarded by any underlings because she might have been feeling overconfident that they could defeat the humans, overconfidence can often be the undoing of any bad guy.

planet_tv
September 2nd, 2015, 12:40 PM
Just a quick question at the end of the episode when they showed the show title what were names listed?

Perelandra
September 2nd, 2015, 08:46 PM
^^ I was wondering that, too. Perhaps names of all the actors and others involved behind the scenes over the last 5 years?

garhkal
September 2nd, 2015, 11:39 PM
I liked the ending i would have hated to see any or all of the characters die, i've become so attached to all the characters over the last 5 seaons and i'd hate to lose any of them.


While i also like them, i DO feel with what was going on, we needed more deaths in the ranks of the main folk, not just 'yet another nameless backround guy or gal # 999.."

knowles2
September 3rd, 2015, 03:12 AM
It seems to be a trend in apocalyptic movies/shows.. When they finish off, they either don't even BOTHER showing reconstruction, or completely skip it.
..?

Two stories that is rarely, if ever told in scifi:

Earth building it very first interstellar ship, imagine the politics, internal bickering, Political hearings, training of the crew, there got to be plenty of drama and stories to tell there.

An reconstruction after a apocalyptic disaster,

wish we got 2012 tv series that was being work on but got cancelled, sadly ID2 seems will be just another shoot them up with the Americans saving the planet, again, probably with that Chinese chick chipping in to appeal to the Chinese market. Rather than it perhaps being about attempts to integrated alien and human survivors into some sort of society. With Aliens wanting to be free from their prison camps.


I am wondering though.. Has anyone seen any other fan boards discussing falling skies and see what THEY are posting about this..?

Don't know about other boards but reviews have universally pan this, mediocre from IGN and they have generally gave favorable reviews to the show, 1 star from den of geeks again from a site that generally gave okay reviews to the show episodes.

There might be one or two comments in the comment section who thought this was good, I have rare seen comment sections on those site with so many people agreeing with each other that this was poo and agreeing with the reviewer that this episode was crap.

generaloneill
September 3rd, 2015, 05:10 AM
Did anyone else recognise the voice of the Espheni queen it's Tricia Helfer aka the number 6 cylon, i knew the voice sounded familiar but i couldn't figure out right away where i had heard it before.

Either her voice was edited to sound alien enough so that no-one would recognise it immediately or Tricia made herself sound different when recording her lines for her role as Espheni queen.

garhkal
September 3rd, 2015, 04:04 PM
Did anyone else recognise the voice of the Espheni queen it's Tricia Helfer aka the number 6 cylon, i knew the voice sounded familiar but i couldn't figure out right away where i had heard it before.

Either her voice was edited to sound alien enough so that no-one would recognise it immediately or Tricia made herself sound different when recording her lines for her role as Espheni queen.

Maybe her voice has changed due to an illness she had just prior to recording her lines?

gatechick
September 4th, 2015, 06:01 PM
While i also like them, i DO feel with what was going on, we needed more deaths in the ranks of the main folk, not just 'yet another nameless backround guy or gal # 999.."

I agree. I almost wish Anne had stayed dead. I feel like a few main characters should have perished. (Sounds heartless, but they got away almost unscathed it seems like.)

I agree with what most everyone said. The finale was way too rushed. It could have easily been stretched out over several episodes. Heck, over the whole of season 5 for that matter. Most of season 5 episodes were crap anyway. I felt so underwhelmed. I really feel like this show lost its way after season 2 and never gained back. Too much side drama going on and not enough dealing with the aliens or too many aliens being introduced and confusing things.

Also I think I may be forgetting but why were the mechs no longer being used? If someone tells me why, I know I am going to kick myself because it is something I should know.

Teddybrown
September 4th, 2015, 07:10 PM
I agree. I almost wish Anne had stayed dead. I feel like a few main characters should have perished. (Sounds heartless, but they got away almost unscathed it seems like.)

I agree with what most everyone said. The finale was way too rushed. It could have easily been stretched out over several episodes. Heck, over the whole of season 5 for that matter. Most of season 5 episodes were crap anyway. I felt so underwhelmed. I really feel like this show lost its way after season 2 and never gained back. Too much side drama going on and not enough dealing with the aliens or too many aliens being introduced and confusing things.

Also I think I may be forgetting but why were the mechs no longer being used? If someone tells me why, I know I am going to kick myself because it is something I should know.

Wasnt it because the power core on the Moon was knocked out? Could be wrong though...

garhkal
September 4th, 2015, 08:46 PM
Also I think I may be forgetting but why were the mechs no longer being used? If someone tells me why, I know I am going to kick myself because it is something I should know.

After Tom and the kid rammed the power source on the moon all the mechs went dead.. Same as the beamers and such.

Ian-S
September 8th, 2015, 03:25 PM
Regarding the time of the last scene it was about four to five months after Anna was put in the water based on the size of the bump, if that's anything to go by.

Like most others this felt rushed, cop out with the new aliens we hardly saw, Anna being bought back from the dead (wtf?), I'd even go as far as saying the only decent bit of the episode was Pope, so ironic after all his rage and anger towards Tom, that he simply slips away while sat on the river bed after throwing one last insult towards a Mason.

Also I have a question for our American friends, have the rules/regulations on language in scripted stuff changed recently? I've noticed there's a lot more swearing (or what I would consider swearing, even if the rest of the world doesn't) in a lot of shows in comparison to previous years?

garhkal
September 9th, 2015, 11:44 PM
These days it does seem more swearing gets a lower rating than what it used to... compared to say smoking.

fems
September 12th, 2015, 06:17 AM
This finale was so anticlimactic. There was no one guarding the queen or the eggs? She wanted to invade Earth because a couple of centuries ago primitive earthlings killed her daughter and ate her? Never mind that the red shirt who ate a skitter (or whatever it was) died the moment he ingested the alien flesh.

The farm, Pope, Isabella (?), military base, FakeLexi and the Mason militia were basically all useless. Could have just been left out. Such a waste.

Also, at least two Masons and Anne should have died. But it's not like anyone actually expected pregnAnne to die, right? That family has plot armor.

planet_tv
September 16th, 2015, 03:05 PM
^^ I was wondering that, too. Perhaps names of all the actors and others involved behind the scenes over the last 5 years?

I looked up Falling Skies on IMDB and didn't see any of the names that I looked up so I figured they might be names of fans.

Mrja84
January 14th, 2016, 10:52 AM
I couldn't finish season 4 due to moving to a place with no TV service. So I just finished season 4 and 5 a few weeks ago.

I never really liked Anne and Tom's daughter being super alien powerful. And the aliens even decided to drop the project (kill her) after spending so much time and energy to f**k up with the 2nd Mass.

So season four felt kinda odd. If it was just them surviving until they determined they could attack the power source, I think it would have been better.

I has half expecting Pope to get alien possessed as to be an avatar of the queen, so Tom would have to fight Pope in the finale or urge him to put his hatred of Tom aside and fight the alien within. But that didn't happen.

The explosion with Pope was anticlimatic and served as a CLEAR turning of the wheel to write the episode out of having to deal with it.

I really feel like the show didn't know it was going to be a finale until some time during production of season 5. The themes and focus were just plain off.

Mrja84
January 14th, 2016, 11:24 AM
Some reading material for folks:

http://www.tvinsider.com/article/37009/falling-skies-very-american-finale-and-how-the-series-almost-ended/

http://www.hitfix.com/news/falling-skies-series-finale-showrunner-david-eick-answers-your-burning-questions

http://www.blastr.com/2015-8-26/falling-skies-cautionary-tale-good-ideas-and-terrible-execution