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July 22nd, 2015, 11:05 PM
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<DIV STYLE="margin-top:10px; padding:0;">With the Omec hunting the people of Defiance and threatening a global invasion, Nolan and Irisa lead a last-ditch effort to board the enemy ship and destroy the sleeping horde. Amanda fights for her life after she is shot.</DIV>
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gnoel809
August 28th, 2015, 08:36 PM
Okay, just watched the season finale. Didn't see that ending coming ... not going to spoil anything, but I'll be interested to see what happens in S4.

Infinite-Possibilities
August 28th, 2015, 11:15 PM
This episode seems very much like it was written with the possibility of being the series finale in mind.

Perelandra
August 29th, 2015, 09:42 AM
^^Yes I thought the same thing, I.P. Definitely would be fitting as a series finale.
I hope we do get a season four.
Liked Kindzi getting her fitting end but Irisa argued not to and they decided not to wipe out the whole race and commit genocide
Also, Really liked Stahma's talk with an injured Amanda asking forgiveness.
I so called it on Datak bursting in and saving his family last week
but whoa--did not see this ending coming!
Love Doc Yewl one of my favorite characters if there's a season 4 hope she's in it.
Loved Datak's goodbye to her.

knowles2
August 29th, 2015, 01:15 PM
Well that basically serve as a wrap up for the show.

The fly through space scene was awesome.

The rest of it predictable and formulaic.
If there is a season 4, without Nolan I don't see myself staying around to watch it.

Nolan and Yewll adventures in space however, that I would tune in to.

Perelandra
August 29th, 2015, 02:18 PM
I seriously doubt they'd do a show without Nolan's character.
Yep everyone basically agrees it looked like a series finale maybe whether it will be renewed or not is in limbo.

VampyreWraith
August 29th, 2015, 05:32 PM
I really enjoyed the episode and hope that there is another season because I really like the show the characters, but I also agree that this ep felt like a series finale.

escyos
August 29th, 2015, 06:53 PM
Season 2 ended in a similar manner, just with more characters in out-of-town situations.

You still have Nolan and Yewll out in the universe, maybe they come across the Volge homeworld and accidentally lead more Volge to Earth, maybe the Omec take control of the ship and come back, maybe they encounter other alien races. There are a lot of possible things to talk about for a season 4.

It seems that some shows now prefer not to leave massive cliffhangers at the end of a season in case of cancellation. I guess its a good thing.

TOIVA
August 29th, 2015, 07:52 PM
You might not like the idea, but this being great as a finale, maybe they shouldn't try to 'revive it'. Thus Defiance ends proud.

And I really liked this finale. It makes sense, it's a great closure (I liked SGU's ending, but this in comparison truly is an ending).

Obviously it'd be sad to see the show end. This last season might have been the best Sci-fi there was on Syfy in recent memory (it's eclipsed Killjoys with this finale for me), but it's been losing viewers and probably money since the start. Remember how it was supposed to be both a successfull show and MMO?
Rather than seeing drastic cuts and unlikely plot points (which would probably be necessary to get any continuation running after this episode), I'd leave it in peace and enjoy it.


One thing that would be ballsy of Syfy to try is an almost sitcom-like version of "Nolan, the Woman-Machine and the Man-Eaters' space adventures".

Btw, I really enjoyed all the references to BSG. For one, the Omec ship had many resemblances to Cylon basestars. Then Yewl basically served as a Hybrid. And I even heard some similarities to Cylon score on the ship.

mr_kennedy
August 30th, 2015, 04:20 AM
I think I enjoyed Defiance finale the most out of Killjoys, Defiance & Dark Matter, hope it wasn't Defiance Series finale

I also hope they keep Ywell and Joshua Nolan around, Defiance just wouldn't be the same without them

Kilgharrah
August 30th, 2015, 05:23 AM
After watching last week's episode, I felt like the finale's going to be weak, but I admit now I'm impressed.

My problem with Defiance is that they don't care if the whole season is weak as long as the premiere and finale are strong. This is stupid. Come on, people do your job for the whole season.

About this week's, I guess I would have preferred it if Irisa stayed with Nolan, but I guess she's been with him for so long that she's not herself anymore. What she saw on his side affected her psychologically.

I don't know why this chose to make this finale in the style of a series finale, but I guess they must've gotten a word or something about the possibility of cancellation... or maybe they just wanna end the story at that. Maybe they don't have anymore stories.
It wouldn't be nice if it gets renewed and they have nothing new to offer.

I'm not gonna say I hope it gets renewed. I'm just gonna hope for the best.

TOIVA
August 30th, 2015, 08:09 AM
I don't know why this chose to make this finale in the style of a series finale, but I guess they must've gotten a word or something about the possibility of cancellation... or maybe they just wanna end the story at that. Maybe they don't have anymore stories.
It wouldn't be nice if it gets renewed and they have nothing new to offer.

That'd be best if the creators came out and said that's what they wanted to tell and now it's done.

I can't help but think about Babylon 5 and how disjointed the final season was after the main story got wrapped.


Oh, and personally, I found this whole season pretty strong. The quiter episodes in the middle were surprisingly well done.

pakar
August 30th, 2015, 01:42 PM
Yes it was like a series finale and a good one. I just can't see how the show could continue. Any next season would be more like a spin off.

Kilgharrah
August 30th, 2015, 03:02 PM
...I can't help but think about Babylon 5 and how disjointed the final season was after the main story got wrapped...
Exactly! That's what I meant.
We don't need unnecessary seasons. If it has to go, let her go with dignity. If you have something good to offer, I'll be more than happy to have another season.

Skydiver
August 30th, 2015, 04:58 PM
I agree, this serves well as a series finale, and if it's a season finale, well they're gonna be in for one heck of a reboot.

Nolan, Yewell, Amanda, all could not return next year (Makes me wonder if the actors' contracts are up)

Infinite-Possibilities
August 30th, 2015, 05:09 PM
That'd be best if the creators came out and said that's what they wanted to tell and now it's done.

I can't help but think about Babylon 5 and how disjointed the final season was after the main story got wrapped.


Oh, and personally, I found this whole season pretty strong. The quiter episodes in the middle were surprisingly well done.

That was because they had a very specific plan that was cut short and then un-cut short wasn't it? I don't believe Defiance would be similarly hobbled by another season.

jelgate
August 30th, 2015, 05:21 PM
I don't really see it any more as a series finale as last season. Defiance has kept their plots largely contained in a season with a few threads left over for next season. This finale felt the same

mr_kennedy
August 30th, 2015, 05:42 PM
^ I feel the same


I agree, this serves well as a series finale, and if it's a season finale, well they're gonna be in for one heck of a reboot.

Nolan, Yewell, Amanda, all could not return next year (Makes me wonder if the actors' contracts are up)

Julie Benz got a recurring gig on the upcoming season of Hawaii Five O, doesn't mean much since Defiance is a mid-season show, but it doesn't bode well if the cast are already looking for other work :S, I actually thought Amanda was gonna die in the season/series finale of Defiance

escyos
August 30th, 2015, 07:10 PM
Kevin Murphy (executive producer) said that if Season 4 happens, Nolan will be included.

Source: http://forums.defiance.com/showthread.php?222984-Voices-of-Defiance-interviews-Defiance-Showrunner-Kevin-Murphy

The season was done filming months before the first episode had aired so the cast have had time off to do other projects. Financially it make sense to remain working on an older show as you get more money and if interviews are any indication, the cast and crew really enjoy working on the show and with one another.

pakar
August 31st, 2015, 04:59 AM
I can;t see how Nolan will come back. Unless they make his journey into space a rather short one. But that will be a cheap trick, a gimmick.

Kilgharrah
August 31st, 2015, 07:43 AM
Maybe season 4 will be after a time jump just like this season (I hate time jumps). Maybe it will be a few years later, which would give Nolan enough time to return in this slow Omec ship after dumping the remainder of this race on any suitable planet.
We'll just have to wait and see, I guess.

TOIVA
August 31st, 2015, 08:47 AM
I can;t see how Nolan will come back. Unless they make his journey into space a rather short one. But that will be a cheap trick, a gimmick.

That's exactly what I wouldn't want.

If Nolan is back (and I suppose the town of Defiance would be back too), the longer he stays away from earth the better. And a storyline with Yewl, Nolan and hungry sleeping Omec could work. We'd even get a partial ship based Sci-fi too. :wraith37:

But there's still Syfy. I dare not predict which shows they'll pick up for another season.

pakar
August 31st, 2015, 04:00 PM
I can't find the link but i remember K.Murphy saying (before the season 3 premiere) that if there will be a season 4 it will be in space. I would like that (it would be a far better space show than the likes of Dark Matter) but it would be more like a spin off.

TOIVA
September 1st, 2015, 08:30 AM
Well that would be fitting. Only problem: What about the town and its inhabitants?

The one way I see it is truly make it a spinoff with only Nolan on the ship.

Either way, I'm really curious how this ends up.

pakar
September 1st, 2015, 12:22 PM
Both Killjoys and Dark Matter are renewed and i'm not sure what this means for Defiance.

jelgate
September 1st, 2015, 01:15 PM
Both Killjoys and Dark Matter are renewed and i'm not sure what this means for Defiance.

It usually suggests negotiations or they have decided to cancel the show.

pakar
September 1st, 2015, 01:22 PM
That would be sad after a really good season

Kilgharrah
September 1st, 2015, 02:34 PM
Both Killjoys and Dark Matter are renewed and i'm not sure what this means for Defiance.
It doesn't mean anything.
Decisions for new shows are usually done before any other.

VampyreWraith
September 1st, 2015, 02:45 PM
If I'm remembering correctly, last season it took awhile after its season finale (about a month or so) to announce a renewal for Defiance.

pakar
September 2nd, 2015, 03:16 AM
the average ratings of season 3:
1.13 mil viewers
0.25 adult rating

http://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/defiance-season-three-ratings-37135/

VampyreWraith
September 2nd, 2015, 09:55 AM
It's about average for SyFy, but it might be too expensive to be renewed. Here are the numbers for most of the other SyFy shows (also taken from tvseriesfinale.com)

spoiler tagged for length.

12 Monkeys
0.79 mil viewers
0.25 18-49

Dark Matter
1.01 mil viewers
0.24 18-49

Killjoys
0.95 mill viewers
0.23 18-49

Dominion (so far)
0.94 mil viewers
0.27 18-49

Z Nation
1.42 mil viewers
0.48 18-49

Bitten
0.50 mil viewers
0.15 18-49

Olympus
0.55 mil viewers
0.14 18-49

Haven (canceled)
0.86 mil viewers
0.20 18-49 (so far)

Helix (canceled)
0.56 mil viewers
0.17 18-49

Kilgharrah
September 2nd, 2015, 10:03 AM
Wait WHAT?
Haven is cancelled??? When did that happen??
It was all stupid how they divided this season into 2. What's the use of having 26 episodes if they are going to air part 2 a year after part 1. Why not just make 2 seasons of the same old length. Syfy wants to trick us. I hate this network.

VampyreWraith
September 2nd, 2015, 10:09 AM
Here's a link to the post in the Haven thread http://forum.gateworld.net/threads/71862-Haven-(Syfy)-News-Discussion-Speculation?p=14386706&viewfull=1#post14386706 . I had a feeling when they announced a 26 episode season that they were going to cancel it. I think they did that so that the actors' pay show costs wouldn't go up like it would if they made separate 2 seasons.

Kilgharrah
September 2nd, 2015, 10:16 AM
I didn't have a feeling when it was renewed for a 26-episode season, but I had this dread inside that something bad is going to happen.
Well, it's not the first time they do this to us and I won't be surprised if they do this for Defiance as well.
At least Defiance has a good ending.

VampyreWraith
September 2nd, 2015, 10:27 AM
Yeah, it does have a good ending, but still I hope that they don't cancel Defiance; even though they probably will.
Apparently, the creators of Haven thought it might be their last season, so hopefully they prepared a good ending.

Kilgharrah
September 2nd, 2015, 10:45 AM
Well I've looked around.
Apparently, the network wants to go back to it's sci-fi origins. And for some reason they consider space shows to be the only form of sci-fi shows (Yes they said they want to turn it into an all space shows channel.). You're syfy for God's sake not space.

Anyway, back to Defiance. According to these news, if the writers are ready to turn it into an all space show, I guess that means syfy is gonna keep it. If not, then bye bye Defiance.

Infinite-Possibilities
September 2nd, 2015, 02:22 PM
If they do turn it into a space show it sounds all of the entire cast EXCEPT Nolan and Yewl would be dropped.

Kilgharrah
September 2nd, 2015, 02:52 PM
Seems that way.
Unless the find a way to get the others to join. Any way they use to get there would be stupid IMO. So Nolan and Yewll are enough if that's the price for the show to make sense.

jelgate
September 2nd, 2015, 04:00 PM
Seems that way.
Unless the find a way to get the others to join. Any way they use to get there would be stupid IMO. So Nolan and Yewll are enough if that's the price for the show to make sense.

That's kind of short sighted. Lets see the reason before we dismiss it as being weak

Skydiver
September 2nd, 2015, 07:48 PM
And actually, they could turn it into a ship based show with the cast quite easily. (presuming of course that the space based shows rumor has any basis in fact)

Yewell magically gets the Omoc ship back to earth, to find it a mess. Thanks to the recent issues, Defiance is struggling to the point of falling. No stasis net plus the VC being mad at them has the town breaking up and people leaving.

They find the people they find (aka actors that sign back up plus ones added to take their place) and they all say frak earth and the VC, let's go and live somewhere else.

They have a ship with plenty of room, they have stasis pods (which can be conveniently empty after Nolan and Yewell drop the Omoc off on their new planet) and presto, chango, bye bye earth, hello ship based show and we get a big honkin reboot - probably just in time for skiffy to cancel it in its Fatal Fifth season. (Unless it's their 'reality' junk, skiffy cancels about every scripted show after 5 seasons)

Kilgharrah
September 3rd, 2015, 02:37 AM
That's kind of short sighted. Lets see the reason before we dismiss it as being weak
Think about it. All of the ships in orbit and all their connections below earth suface were destroyed. The only functional ship remaining is the Omec one which is so slow. Unless Nolan and Yewll find another ship where they are, It's gonna be stupid IMO. It makes no sense that there are ships remaining on earth.

And actually, they could turn it into a ship based show with the cast quite easily. (presuming of course that the space based shows rumor has any basis in fact)

Yewell magically gets the Omoc ship back to earth, to find it a mess. Thanks to the recent issues, Defiance is struggling to the point of falling. No stasis net plus the VC being mad at them has the town breaking up and people leaving.

They find the people they find (aka actors that sign back up plus ones added to take their place) and they all say frak earth and the VC, let's go and live somewhere else.

They have a ship with plenty of room, they have stasis pods (which can be conveniently empty after Nolan and Yewell drop the Omoc off on their new planet) and presto, chango, bye bye earth, hello ship based show and we get a big honkin reboot - probably just in time for skiffy to cancel it in its Fatal Fifth season. (Unless it's their 'reality' junk, skiffy cancels about every scripted show after 5 seasons)
If they do this, Amanda wouldn't leave Defiance no matter what, but the rest could, but then the name of the show would make no sense... unless they name the ship they take Defiance.
Or maybe the whole town is a ship... who knows. Anything but saying a ship was buried below earth surface or one cloaked in orbit.

jelgate
September 3rd, 2015, 08:25 AM
That's why you are being short sighted. Using that logic at the end of S2 any way to free Nolan and Irrisia would be stupid. I say lets see what new idea is introduced before labeling it stupid. Especially since this is science fiction

Coco Pops
October 4th, 2015, 04:04 AM
The band "Young, Beautiful, In A Hurry" have a petition for season 4. They did a lot of the music of the past 3 seasons... Bear McReary who did the main themes for this show is the father of the band's lead..

Anyway they did a petition.

http://www.denofgeek.us/tv/defiance/248757/why-defiance-season-4-needs-to-happen