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GateWorld
May 10th, 2015, 09:57 PM
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<FONT SIZE="1">EPISODE NUMBER - 508</FONT>
<DIV STYLE="margin-top:10px; padding:0;">Arya takes the next step in her service to the Many Faced God, while Cersei struggles in her imprisonment. Sansa confronts Theon, and Tyrion attempts to convince Daenerys to let him live. And in the distant Wildling colony of Hardhome, Jon Snow and Tormund attempt to convince the Free Folk to make peace with the Night's Watch.</DIV>
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Brother Freyr
June 1st, 2015, 01:15 AM
Wow. Just wow. It's a straightforward episode. There's little to say except to utter exclamations.

Here's a question. Arya is now living as Lana, a girl who sells oysters. In the book, her name was Cat. Cat of the Canals. Why do you think TPTB changed her name to Lana? I can usually see reasons for deviations from the books, but this detail seems random.

Gen. Chris
June 1st, 2015, 02:44 AM
Might be important later, so who knows.

However, I must say that that was an amazing episode of The Walking Dead.

VampyreWraith
June 1st, 2015, 06:11 AM
I loved this episode so much. I wanted to say so here last night, right after I watched it, but I didn't want to be the first one to post in the thread just in case everyone else hated it lol. I hate when I'm all excited about how great I thought an episode was, but then everyone else is all like "wow, that was the worst episode ever". I'd rather read why people though it was the worst episode first, and then comment on why I loved it lol.

Maybe they changed it from Cat to Lana, so people wouldn't be reminded of/mistake Arya for Catelyn, since she was called Cat as well. It's silly, but they did change Asha's name to Yara, because it was too similar to Osha.

Booklover
June 1st, 2015, 12:26 PM
Terrific episode. The fighting at the end was soooo intense! What about Jon being able to kill the white walker? Maybe his sword has obsidian in it, or do you think it was something else?

I only gripe about the eppy is that some of the scenes were so dark that I had trouble seeing at times. Other than that -- Great!!!

P-90_177
June 1st, 2015, 01:05 PM
Terrific episode. The fighting at the end was soooo intense! What about Jon being able to kill the white walker? Maybe his sword has obsidian in it, or do you think it was something else?

I only gripe about the eppy is that some of the scenes were so dark that I had trouble seeing at times. Other than that -- Great!!!

Well his sword is made of Valeyrian steel which no one in Westeros has ever been able to replicate so it's possible.

Teddybrown
June 1st, 2015, 01:54 PM
Wow. Just wow. It's a straightforward episode. There's little to say except to utter exclamations.


Thats exactly my reaction. And people were saying Game of Thrones was beginning to fall of its game...

Its most definately back after that! Winter is Coming! And I cant wait till it gets here tbh...

Skydiver
June 1st, 2015, 06:06 PM
They've never gone into just what the white walkers are have they? Even in the books I don't think it's explained beyond the common analogy of zombies.

No explanation of what or why just that the wall was built to keep them in the north.

Brother Freyr
June 1st, 2015, 08:41 PM
Maybe they changed it from Cat to Lana, so people wouldn't be reminded of/mistake Arya for Catelyn, since she was called Cat as well.Maybe so. I always figured that the connection to Catelyn was on purpose. Maybe Arya missed her mom and chose the name "Cat" to honor her.

For the series, maybe TPTB just didn't like the way the dialogue sounds when spoken out loud: "My name is Cat. I'm an orphan. When I was eight, I begged enough money to buy my first bucket of oysters."

versus "My name is Lana. I'm an orphan..."

Who Knows
June 2nd, 2015, 02:47 AM
Great episode, but so many questions & so much to speculate on.
I have not read the books, so I can not spoil anything (as far as I know)
Jon's sword, valerian steel. If that is what killed the Whitewalker, then I remember dear old tywin (God rest his soul) getting a Valerian sword melted down & made into two. One he gave to Joffrey (another charming chappie), which I suppose passed to Tommen, and the other to Jamie.
Could we see a final decisive battle with Jon, Jamie & Tommen standing shoulder to shoulder cutting Whitewalkers down?
Will Dany sail over & land at the wall, perch her dragons atop the wall & burn all the Whitewalker & undead to a crisp before they even touch the wall.
I loved the fighting, so much better than the Sandsnakes episode.
OK, Cercei is going to get hers (finally) I think, but what will happen to Margrey & her brother? Can they be saved?
I can't wait to find out, but unfortunately we only get 10 episodes a year, and with so many story-lines & locations to cover we could be here with seasons in double figures before we get answers.

dosed150
June 2nd, 2015, 03:59 AM
the situation with the white walkers is starting to remind me of babylon 5, the rangers out there fighting the shadows, while everyone back home is busy fighting each other, weve got the same here, a grave threat being fought while everyone else is just fighting each other, unaware.

Do we know how dragons might fare against white walkers, you would imagine quite well, seeing as they seem all icy, and I imagine a dragon could easily destroy corpses on the battlefield, seems this is really where dany should be

Skydiver
June 2nd, 2015, 04:11 AM
Potentially another advancement for Sansa, in a tiny little scene, she now knows that Bran and Rickon are alive, so she's not the only heir to Winterfell and Ramsay, in marrying her, possibly gained nothing since she's not the heir. And if she eventually becomes Lady Stoneheart, she has a cause to rally for, finding and putting her brothers back on the throne. (She also has no idea that Arya is alive)

Teddybrown
June 2nd, 2015, 05:17 AM
Where have they been all this time though? We know Bran is north of the wall and probably not appearing this season, but Rickon seems to have been forgotten... Or is it all leading to him coming back? Whatever happens, I cant wait to see the last two episodes...

VampyreWraith
June 2nd, 2015, 05:35 AM
Maybe so. I always figured that the connection to Catelyn was on purpose. Maybe Arya missed her mom and chose the name "Cat" to honor her.

For the series, maybe TPTB just didn't like the way the dialogue sounds when spoken out loud: "My name is Cat. I'm an orphan. When I was eight, I begged enough money to buy my first bucket of oysters."

versus "My name is Lana. I'm an orphan..."

That could be it. That would be better than them thinking that people would be confused about which "Cat" Littlefinger is talking about when he mentions the name or wondering if Arya took her mother's face or something when she became Cat.

P-90_177
June 2nd, 2015, 10:29 AM
That could be it. That would be better than them thinking that people would be confused about which "Cat" Littlefinger is talking about when he mentions the name or wondering if Arya took her mother's face or something when she became Cat.

That and it might have something to do with the use of the name itself. We know Cat is short for Catelyn which is a noble name... they probably wanted a name that would sound to the audience more common.

Additionally, a man would know girl's mother's name. Since a man is trying to teach girl how to be someone else, allowing girl to use girl's mother's name may not be considered wise.

mr_kennedy
June 3rd, 2015, 12:37 AM
OH MY GOD.... that was amazing

Skydiver
June 3rd, 2015, 04:09 AM
I had the same thought, that the dragons would have made short work of the walkers. That or the stone men (although the stone men seem to be rather hard to control)

Dany does have the right idea, as long as the spokes on the wheel - the families - spend their days fighting amongst themselves, they will lose. They have to work together to survive winter.

I'm starting to wonder if winter is less a season and more an attitude. Winter is 'everyone for themselves and frak the others' while summer is 'we may hate each other but we co-exist'

Teddybrown
June 3rd, 2015, 04:50 AM
Isnt the weather in the North getting worse though? Thats why Stannis wanted to move out sooner rather than later and is now stuck because of snow...

Baron Of Hell
June 3rd, 2015, 04:57 AM
Giant stomping on zombies. Giant swinging a tree trunk knocking zombies around. The giant is the true hero that will save the world.

psl1
June 3rd, 2015, 10:16 PM
This show is being dragged out and going down hill. White walkers were originally presented almost like slow zombies of the previous decades...thus the names '....walkers' and now seem like they have caught the RAGE virus typical of resent zombie type movies.

The wildlings seemed like they had never encountered these WW before. Every thing we've been shown to date is that nothing can kill them....so why stand about firing arrows and wait to do close battle. Run away would be the first thing they would have done had they any experience with WW.

There were many boats in the harbor and these WW seemed to avoid water.

The important part seems to be these WW Lieutenants that have the power to raise the dead by turning them into WW. I would think the Nights Watch should be fashioning some 'dragon glass' tipped arrows especially to target these WW Lieutenants ...

Baron Of Hell
June 3rd, 2015, 11:25 PM
This show is being dragged out and going down hill. White walkers were originally presented almost like slow zombies of the previous decades...thus the names '....walkers' and now seem like they have caught the RAGE virus typical of resent zombie type movies.


The first time we see a white walker it was collecting a baby and didn't act slow at all. The first time we see a wight it is moving like a normal person. Neither wights or white walkers have ever been slow on this show. When they attacked Bran and company they were as fast as ninjas.

Gen. Chris
June 4th, 2015, 01:49 AM
My theory is that as winter approaches the White Walkers and their magic get more powerful, which is why the wights have become faster. It would explain a lot.

Teddybrown
June 4th, 2015, 04:58 AM
My theory is that as winter approaches the White Walkers and their magic get more powerful, which is why the wights have become faster. It would explain a lot.

Thats what I was thinking as well...

LastActionHero
June 4th, 2015, 09:21 AM
This show is being dragged out and going down hill. White walkers were originally presented almost like slow zombies of the previous decades...thus the names '....walkers' and now seem like they have caught the RAGE virus typical of resent zombie type movies.


These are NOT zombies.
These are literally dead bodies raised by magic. There is a HUGE difference.

psl1
June 4th, 2015, 06:58 PM
These are NOT zombies.
These are literally dead bodies raised by magic. There is a HUGE difference.

Since no such creatures exist -therefore these are all just figments of imagination fitting into the writers 'apriori notions' so drawing on others genre is valid. There is always the 'suspension of disbelief threshold', which this show risks a lot.

The wife nailed it the first time she saw them...'oh god not another stupid zombie show.'

The only thing that makes it different is the so called magic control. This is similar to massed drone attacks from a command platform. Destroy command platform or interrupt the signal and the critters + threat ,should collapse.

I would be advising them to make as many 'dragon glass' tipped arrows as possible and exclusively target any 'White Walkers lieutenant's' .

Infinite-Possibilities
June 5th, 2015, 01:08 AM
This show is being dragged out and going down hill. White walkers were originally presented almost like slow zombies of the previous decades...thus the names '....walkers' and now seem like they have caught the RAGE virus typical of resent zombie type movies.

The wildlings seemed like they had never encountered these WW before. Every thing we've been shown to date is that nothing can kill them....so why stand about firing arrows and wait to do close battle. Run away would be the first thing they would have done had they any experience with WW.

There were many boats in the harbor and these WW seemed to avoid water.

The important part seems to be these WW Lieutenants that have the power to raise the dead by turning them into WW. I would think the Nights Watch should be fashioning some 'dragon glass' tipped arrows especially to target these WW Lieutenants ...

You seem to be confusing White Walkers with their undead servants. The people they raise from the dead aren't White Walkers.

psl1
June 5th, 2015, 10:48 AM
You seem to be confusing White Walkers with their undead servants. The people they raise from the dead aren't White Walkers.

No, just searching for the same terms posters use.

Infinite-Possibilities
June 5th, 2015, 11:11 AM
But you said that the White Walker lieutenants raise the dead by turning them into White Walkers. But that isn't what happens. The undead servants are called "Wights."

You asked why the Wildings would try to fight if nothing can kill White Walkers. But conventional attacks can destroy Wights.

And the White Walkers themselves weren't necessarily slow and shambling and it's not the reason they were called White Walkers.

Skydiver
June 5th, 2015, 12:04 PM
So...let's see if I get this right

White Walkers can raise the dead. They can only be killed by an obsidian blade (and possibly fire)

Wights are the undead, raised by the White Walkers. They can be killed by conventional means - beheading, spear to the head, etc....although being undead things like pain and fear really don't apply, and since they are the reanimated dead to kill them you must strike a fatal blow (stabbing a human in the gut may not kill them right away but will eventually through infection or blood loss, but since that doesn't apply to the Wights their bodies only 'die' when they are damaged to the point that they cannot move)

And all of them seem to be afraid or unable to handle water. (Which kinda doesn't make sense. If the Wights are dead, why don't they just walk along the ocean floor to get where they want to be?)

Infinite-Possibilities
June 5th, 2015, 12:34 PM
I think that's mostly right. Except I think fire is effective against Wights, not White Walkers. The one John killed didn't seem bothered by being in a burning building. Valerian Steel seems to be the second thing that can kill White Walkers.

Teddybrown
June 6th, 2015, 04:09 AM
Why didnt the WWs lead with throwing all those Wights off the cliff?

Gen. Chris
June 7th, 2015, 10:09 PM
Why didnt the WWs lead with throwing all those Wights off the cliff?

Playing with their food, perhaps? Remember they did not exactly expect resistance in the form of Valyrian steel. After the WW soldier was killed by Jon that's when the Night's King threw in everything else.

psl1
June 9th, 2015, 10:53 PM
But you said that the White Walker lieutenants raise the dead by turning them into White Walkers. But that isn't what happens. The undead servants are called "Wights."

You asked why the Wildings would try to fight if nothing can kill White Walkers. But conventional attacks can destroy Wights.

And the White Walkers themselves weren't necessarily slow and shambling and it's not the reason they were called White Walkers.

<Mod Snip>

I used to watch all the shows in reruns....now I just 'spin on'.

The girl in the elders meeting said that 'you can run away from them maybe, but not defeat them'. So they knew how effective fighting the 'what ever you call them' [WEYCT]....Yet when the WEYCT show up they stand their ground and try to defeat them instead of running away into the sea.


I gather the season finally is 'disappointing'.

Gen. Chris
June 9th, 2015, 11:14 PM
The Nightswatch and Wildling warriors stood and fought the army of wights because they were giving the other people behind the wall time to run. If you were paying attention it would be obvious that there was not enough rowboats for hundreds of people at once.

Skydiver
June 10th, 2015, 05:21 PM
Like the case of the wildling mother, they sacrificed their lives so the others could live.

psl1
June 14th, 2015, 09:51 PM
nonsense , its called the fight or flight response. It grips all when faced with terror situations. They would all have fled in panic since they are clearly not any thing resembling an army or an organised force.

Glad 'the Onion' is starting to spoof this show since its clearly going down hill fast.

But South Park was the best spoof of all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjzC2DRgEo4

SoulReaver
June 16th, 2015, 05:04 PM
if it comes down to wildlings vs walkers I'm still rooting for the walkers (ykw since season 4)

Gen. Chris
June 16th, 2015, 07:55 PM
nonsense , its called the fight or flight response. It grips all when faced with terror situations. They would all have fled in panic since they are clearly not any thing resembling an army or an organised force.


Yes. The FIGHT or FLIGHT. The ones who chose to stand chose the former, while the rest chose the latter.

The wildlings may not be organized but they are still a hardy people who have lived a tough life. I wouldn't be so quick to judge them all cowards.

Skydiver
June 17th, 2015, 04:15 AM
IMHO, they're nowhere near cowards. They knew what they were facing. THe strong chose to fight to try and let the weaker get on the boats....with the vain hope that they'd win and be able to escape themselves. It's a situation that's played out thousands of times over the years.

KennClique
June 3rd, 2016, 08:19 PM
:D


https://youtu.be/ODNc4LX5cac