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Cmdr Sean Coll
April 19th, 2014, 06:11 AM
Hi everyone,
after watching Captain America: The Winter Soldier and being an avid fan and watcher of Agents of Shield I began to wonder, How large is Shield??
Given that they have massive bases stationed around the world and a strong quasi-military force (HeliCarries, attack aircraft/helicopters etc). I was wondering how Shield would stack up personnel wise with the real life Department of Homeland Security (which has 240,000 employees) or FBI (which has 35,344 employees)???

Starsaber
April 19th, 2014, 08:17 AM
Probably more along the lines of the FBI, but pretty much whatever size the plot requires it to be.

P-90_177
April 19th, 2014, 08:23 AM
Probably more along the lines of the FBI, but pretty much whatever size the plot requires it to be.

I think you probably have to take into consideration the different universe when considering numbers like that. Shield clearly has been operating since the 1940's so I'd say that it actually surpasses the FBI and NSA both in terms of funding and operational background.
On top of that I'd be tempted to say that the Navy and Airforce is scaled down in the MCU in favour if SHIELD.

Cmdr Sean Coll
April 19th, 2014, 09:26 AM
Thank you replying to this thread in the first place and second P-90_177 made some valid points that I've not considered. If the funding of SHIELD is greater than combined funding of the FBI @ $8.3 Billion and the NSA @ $11 Billion but less than the full funding of the USAF @ $140 Billion, So SHIELD should have a yearly budget of around $80 Billion or so.
As for personnel I think they would have more than the FBI and NSA combined but less than the USAF so about 390,000 people. That agents, techs, crew for the HeliCarriers and base personnel.
Do this look reasonable to you about the size and budget of Shield??

Starfist
April 19th, 2014, 10:40 AM
I have a feeling S.H.I.E.L.D is a multi-national organiasation. Given that they have been seen operating outside the United States. And have the local law enforcement agencies taking a support role.

Also we have to take into account that the current acromyn is I believe the 3rd/4th within the history of Marvel.

knowles2
April 19th, 2014, 01:18 PM
it clearly exceeds the FBI, 4 helicarriers that we know about equals 15,000 personnel on their own, nimitz aircraft carriers have 3,200. When include the facilities with have seen in the films and tv programmes , that could easily exceed another 20,000
S.H.I.E.L.D is suppose to be a multinational organisation but apparently it only takes the US to shut it down:p or at least shut down the parts of it down they know about.

Starsaber
April 19th, 2014, 05:09 PM
it clearly exceeds the FBI, 4 helicarriers that we know about equals 15,000 personnel on their own, nimitz aircraft carriers have 3,200. When include the facilities with have seen in the films and tv programmes , that could easily exceed another 20,000
S.H.I.E.L.D is suppose to be a multinational organisation but apparently it only takes the US to shut it down:p or at least shut down the parts of it down they know about.

Artificial intelligence is clearly more advanced in the MCU than the real world, so I imagine that at least the Insight helicarriers can get by with much smaller crews than Nimitz class.

P-90_177
April 19th, 2014, 05:16 PM
Artificial intelligence is clearly more advanced in the MCU than the real world, so I imagine that at least the Insight helicarriers can get by with much smaller crews than Nimitz class.

In terms of command crew that is possible, but going by what we saw in the avengers there looks to be just as many hands on the deck crew. Naturally there have to be pilots for all the jets. Day to day maintenance staff and engineers. Then you also have to take into consideration that the helicarrier has science labs, which imply scientists.... So all in all I think it's still a fair bet that the actual crew is in par with a Nimitz class. Maybe a couple of hundred less.

escyos
April 20th, 2014, 05:59 PM
well they aint so large anymore are they. (Recent A.O.S. ep)

Cmdr Sean Coll
April 21st, 2014, 08:00 AM
Tagged for Winter Soldier /Most recent SHIELD eps spoilers.

True but I've read somewhere that nearly half of SHIELD were HYDRA sleeper agents. I was trying to find a rough number for the size of SHIELD to figure out the size of HYDRA. And to put that number in terms of military strength such as how many battalions or regiments that Phil and his team + Fury have to put down for global security.

P-90_177
April 21st, 2014, 10:20 AM
Fortunately not speaking for myself but since it isn't in the thread title, that last post needs to be in spoiler tags for anyone who hasn't seen Winter Soldier or the latest S.H.I.E.L.D episodes yet.

Mrja84
April 21st, 2014, 11:02 AM
Well, it does seem that SHIELD is a US-operated organization. It grew out of an Army operation (see Captain America: The First Avenger) and

Winter Solider spoiler
clearly has oversight from the US Congress given the most recent movie.

This also reminds me of the reason the US Army did not agree to have US Soldiers appear in The Avengers movie. They wanted to know whether SHIELD was an US organization or an International organization. Since the US military does not take orders from foreign bodies.

With so much ambiguity the US Army opted not to approve the appearance of soldiers in the movie. I wonder whatever that could impact Marvel Studios' decisions.

P-90_177
April 21st, 2014, 11:45 AM
Well, it does seem that SHIELD is a US-operated organization. It grew out of an Army operation (see Captain America: The First Avenger) and

Winter Solider spoiler
clearly has oversight from the US Congress given the most recent movie.


This also reminds me of the reason the US Army did not agree to have US Soldiers appear in The Avengers movie. They wanted to know whether SHIELD was an US organization or an International organization. Since the US military does not take orders from foreign bodies.

With so much ambiguity the US Army opted not to approve the appearance of soldiers in the movie. I wonder whatever that could impact Marvel Studios' decisions.

Well in the comics S.H.I.E.L.D is an American run organization that counters world wide threats... cos you know... good ol' american heroes saving the world for capitalism and democracy... blah blah blah....

Mrja84
April 21st, 2014, 01:44 PM
Well in the comics S.H.I.E.L.D is an American run organization that counters world wide threats... cos you know... good ol' american heroes saving the world for capitalism and democracy... blah blah blah....

That's the thing, I didn't even know that. But then we have scenes where the President is in a room with Fury and I just started seeing SHIELD as whatever the storytellers wanted it to be.

Cmdr Sean Coll
April 21st, 2014, 01:48 PM
Actually in the latest film Shield was overseen by a multinational advisory board much like the IOA from stargate. It seams like only America has classed Shield as a terrorist organization And in some versions of the comics Shield was created by the UN after WW2.

Starfist
April 21st, 2014, 10:14 PM
May I make a suggestion.
Please take the following in to account. Marvel likes to reboot it's 'canon' every so often.

So what might be correct today. May be subject to change tomorrow.

P-90_177
April 22nd, 2014, 01:13 AM
May I make a suggestion.
Please take the following in to account. Marvel likes to reboot it's 'canon' every so often.

So what might be correct today. May be subject to change tomorrow.

True, but at the minute we're mainly considering the cinematic universe, which hasn't been rebooted yet. :P

Mrja84
April 22nd, 2014, 07:54 AM
True, but at the minute we're mainly considering the cinematic universe, which hasn't been rebooted yet. :P

No, but I think there is a lot of retcon what the history of SHIELD within that universe. While nothing was actually stated, there were implicit references to/about SHIELD that has been explicitly doubted either by Captain America: TWS and/or Agents of SHIELD

knowles2
April 23rd, 2014, 03:27 AM
Actually in the latest film Shield was overseen by a multinational advisory board much like the IOA from stargate. It seams like only America has classed Shield as a terrorist organization And in some versions of the comics Shield was created by the UN after WW2. An Coulson did talk about contacting friends at the UN, which shows that the UN had some involvement in Shield in this universe.

garhkal
April 26th, 2014, 12:50 PM
So maybe like the stargate program it started out US only then morphed into a UN linked org.

Mrja84
April 28th, 2014, 11:15 AM
An Coulson did talk about contacting friends at the UN, which shows that the UN had some involvement in Shield in this universe.

All that means is that Coulson, has friends at the UN. Not that the UN has any jurisdiction involving SHIELD

Starfist
April 28th, 2014, 11:08 PM
Having seen one of the Latest episodes. They did show a SHIELD facility in Switzerland.
Which means SHIELD may be Multi-National in the series.

Mrja84
April 29th, 2014, 06:46 AM
Having seen one of the Latest episodes. They did show a SHIELD facility in Switzerland.
Which means SHIELD may be Multi-National in the series.

The US has many military bases over the world and embassies. They also fly out FBI agents to do investigating at international spots where Americans or American property was involved. So I don't see SHIELD bases n Switzerland as any indication.

P-90_177
April 29th, 2014, 06:57 AM
Based on the council that we saw Fury consulting with in the Avengers I think it's safe to say that SHIELD certainly has an international oversight if nothing else.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXPJ6xFvdWk

In the video you can clearly hear and American and British accent and another which I'm reasonably sure is Russian... though it is kinda hard to tell. Unlike the other two he only says one line.

Mrja84
April 29th, 2014, 11:24 AM
Based on the council that we saw Fury consulting with in the Avengers I think it's safe to say that SHIELD certainly has an international oversight if nothing else.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXPJ6xFvdWk

In the video you can clearly hear and American and British accent and another which I'm reasonably sure is Russian... though it is kinda hard to tell. Unlike the other two he only says one line.

Robert Redford's character in Winter Soldier used to be a US Ambassador, I think, and now is a member of the council. The fact is we know nothing of the members of the council, their power, authority, or who they represent if they represent anyone at all.

No one talks about a country as if they are their representatives. Given the information introduced in Winter Solider we probably will never know as the movies and tv show are moving forward and not looking back

Starsaber
April 29th, 2014, 01:31 PM
I think Robert Redford said something about the possibility of an event happening "in your country" to one of the other council members, so I'm pretty sure it's international.

knowles2
May 9th, 2014, 11:20 AM
All that means is that Coulson, has friends at the UN. Not that the UN has any jurisdiction involving SHIELD


If UN has no jurisdiction over Shield how was they going be of help in the situation the team found themselves in ?

Mrja84
May 9th, 2014, 12:06 PM
If UN has no jurisdiction over Shield how was they going be of help in the situation the team found themselves in ?

The UN has member nations that have military assets available that they would choose to use.