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GateWorld
March 17th, 2014, 11:12 PM
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<FONT SIZE="1">EPISODE NUMBER - 320</FONT>
<DIV STYLE="margin-top:10px; padding:0;">With Mary Margaret in labor and due to give birth at any moment, the residents of Storybrooke go on high alert in an attempt to ensure that Zelena doesn't try to steal her newborn baby. Meanwhile, in the land of Oz of the past, Glinda tries to convince Zelena to fight her evil tendencies and join her and her sister witches as a protector of Oz. But the appearance of a young girl from Kansas could turn out to be her undoing. <I>(ABC)</I></DIV>
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Morgania
May 4th, 2014, 07:55 PM
So...

The magic stealing thing works through CPR? Eh. While it was nice to have more back story, not sure how I felt about the rest of that.

garhkal
May 4th, 2014, 08:48 PM
Yes. All it took for that curse to kick in was her lips touching hook's. Giving CPR does that unless you use one of those mask things..

But i was shocked to see regina be the one saving the day with 'white magic', then turning around at the end and showing she is still evil somewhat.
And i loved seeing rump kill her, but looking at that green mist, it seems she survived via that gem of hers.

Morgania
May 4th, 2014, 09:09 PM
That was just a very unexciting way to still magic.

If Regina got the necklace, why didn't she destroy it? How effective are arrows expect to be against a witch anyway? And why did they only care about offing the flying monkeys now? Are we going to see the witchy sisterhood again?

hedwig
May 4th, 2014, 09:15 PM
An interesting episode. I didn't think Zelena would be killed, though it looks as though perhaps she survived and has gone to another enchanted land. By the looks of the previews for next week, it almost looks like maybe Zelena's curse worked in changing some of the past.

And I doubt very much that Emma will be going back to New York. Regina isn't going to give up Henry that easily. And legally, Regina is the one who has legal custody of him. She legally adopted him, which means she's the only one who gets to say where he lives. Which means that Emma is going to have to stay in Storybrooke if she wants to be in Henry's life. Plus, I doubt very much that Henry is going to want to leave Storybrooke anyway, now that he remembers who all his family is.

I was disappointed at how easily Emma's powers were taken away from her. She didn't have to kiss Hook to get him to wake up. She could have just used CPR to do it, and it would have been just as effective. I was a bit disappointed in how they did several things in this episode.

Morgania
May 4th, 2014, 09:30 PM
I was disappointed with the power stealing thing too. Since Killian already knew about that, he could have gone to the hospital to watch over Henry, or back up the Merry Archers. Did the Captain really even have that many lines this episode?

hedwig
May 5th, 2014, 08:17 AM
I should have known after last week when Regina lifted the memory curse that she would be the one to defeat Zelena. Except the way it was being laid out, that it was going to be Emma who saved the day, only to have it just fizzle out in a very disappointing manner. I wonder if Regina can give her back her power, and if Henry has any, since the Charming family seems to have those abilities. I also wonder if the baby will have any special powers.

Ian-S
May 5th, 2014, 08:31 AM
An interesting episode. I didn't think Zelena would be killed, though it looks as though perhaps she survived and has gone to another enchanted land. By the looks of the previews for next week, it almost looks like maybe Zelena's curse worked in changing some of the past.

I wondered if the green mist was some sort of curse failsafe, i.e. if Zelena was ever killed she would go somewhere (back to Oz?) but because the portal into the past had been partly active, instead she has gone somewhere into the past.

Haven't watched the previews though, I always turn the tv off when they run them :lol:

Morgania
May 5th, 2014, 09:51 AM
If Regina has the pendant, will Zelena even have any power in Oz? And also... trying to drown Captain Jones for that curse... bad form. She could have saved him another way too.


I'm very curious about the name of the new prince, and location of the Jolly Roger.

garhkal
May 5th, 2014, 10:27 AM
And I doubt very much that Emma will be going back to New York. Regina isn't going to give up Henry that easily. And legally, Regina is the one who has legal custody of him. She legally adopted him, which means she's the only one who gets to say where he lives. Which means that Emma is going to have to stay in Storybrooke if she wants to be in Henry's life. Plus, I doubt very much that Henry is going to want to leave Storybrooke anyway, now that he remembers who all his family is.

That she did, but did that all change when emma was left behind during that re-do of the curse that sent everyone back to the enchanted forest?



I was disappointed at how easily Emma's powers were taken away from her. She didn't have to kiss Hook to get him to wake up. She could have just used CPR to do it, and it would have been just as effective. I was a bit disappointed in how they did several things in this episode.

You still need to give mouth to mouth as part of CPR.

hedwig
May 5th, 2014, 10:50 AM
You still need to give mouth to mouth as part of CPR.

New-ish rules of CPR do not require mouth to mouth.

Morgania
May 5th, 2014, 10:57 AM
I have a silly question... was I the only one half expecting Zelena to be defeated by shoes?

Mrja84
May 5th, 2014, 12:37 PM
That she did, but did that all change when emma was left behind during that re-do of the curse that sent everyone back to the enchanted forest?

I agree, Regina's spell made Emma Henry's legal guardian since she is the parent and never gave him up for adoption, according to the spell Regina made. However, that did not change time. So Maine may still have documents that state that Regina is the parent by adoption, but at Emma's New York place there may be documents that show she never gave Henry up for adoption.

Either way, the show is not going to work out the legalities and instead have the characters' choices define that happens.

majorsal
May 5th, 2014, 03:04 PM
i enjoyed the ep! it was almost too much going on to take in. :p

first, i LOVE that regina is the good guy in this! but i'm not quite sure what that 'look' meant when she locked away zelena's pendant. and why didn't she just destroy it?

i hope zelena's not really killed. she's like regina, in that her pain and disappointment set the stage for her fall from grace.

oh, rumple....

though i can understand him wanting to do it. out of all the ppl zelena messed with, rumple got THE worst of it.


how i'd like to see this zelena storyline end? this is kind of weird, but...

i'd like zelena's curse to actually work to a sort, but with regina having some control over how and 'when' it's happening. what i'd like is regina to purposely go back in time to be there when cora gave her up, and then regina step in and be her mother. to be the mother that zelena should have had. regina didn't have a good one either, so she'd know.


but anyways, another great ep! :)

Mrja84
May 6th, 2014, 05:41 AM
what i'd like is regina to purposely go back in time to be there when cora gave her up, and then regina step in and be her mother. to be the mother that zelena should have had. regina didn't have a good one either, so she'd know.

I like that, but Regina loves Henry and Robin too much to leave them. Henry couldn't go as Emma wouldn't go with them. But I could see Robin Hood and his son leaving with Regina.

However, that sounds more like writing Regina out of the show instead of as a way to keep her around and the writers definitely want to keep Regina around.

tomstone
May 6th, 2014, 07:04 PM
If Regina has the pendant, will Zelena even have any power in Oz? And also... trying to drown Captain Jones for that curse... bad form. She could have saved him another way too.


I'm very curious about the name of the new prince, and location of the Jolly Roger.

The Pendant also turned into smoke and reunited with Zelena which opened the Portal through time.

I am also curios about those 2 things, I still dont buy that Hook would leave his Ship in New York. Hopefully the Baby has a original Name. It would be messed up to give him a Fairytale one and then watch im grow up to be exactly that Person.

majorsal
May 6th, 2014, 07:08 PM
I like that, but Regina loves Henry and Robin too much to leave them. Henry couldn't go as Emma wouldn't go with them. But I could see Robin Hood and his son leaving with Regina.

However, that sounds more like writing Regina out of the show instead of as a way to keep her around and the writers definitely want to keep Regina around.

i really didn't state it right. i meant go back in time and grab baby zelena, and then go forward to her correct timelime and raise zelena in the present.

Morgania
May 6th, 2014, 08:33 PM
The Pendant also turned into smoke and reunited with Zelena which opened the Portal through time.

I am also curios about those 2 things, I still dont buy that Hook would leave his Ship in New York. Hopefully the Baby has a original Name. It would be messed up to give him a Fairytale one and then watch im grow up to be exactly that Person.

I must have missed that part.


Yeah, they can't just name the baby Galahad, and have give go on a quest when he grows up. Whatever happened to it for how he got back, and he didn't mention it. That worries me a little.


'Cause reasons...

My summary for a certain hospital scene.

Daddy! Charming: It's dangerous to go alone. Take your pirate.
Emma: But, Dad, I don't want to.
Daddy! Charming: *to Hook* I want to look after her.
Hook: Thanks, mate. *to Emma* See? He wants me to join you.
Emma: Fine. Come along, pirate.
Hook: Yes, dear.


I spend too much time on tumblr. :o

tomstone
May 6th, 2014, 09:29 PM
I must have missed that part.


Yeah, they can't just name the baby Galahad, and have give go on a quest when he grows up. Whatever happened to it for how he got back, and he didn't mention it. That worries me a little.


'Cause reasons...

My summary for a certain hospital scene.

Daddy! Charming: It's dangerous to go alone. Take your pirate.
Emma: But, Dad, I don't want to.
Daddy! Charming: *to Hook* I want to look after her.
Hook: Thanks, mate. *to Emma* See? He wants me to join you.
Emma: Fine. Come along, pirate.
Hook: Yes, dear.


I spend too much time on tumblr. :o

That is the thing that worries me as well. He just has not said so far where the Jolly Roger is, that makes his being in our Realm pretty suspicous. Also the fact that none that were returned by the curse should have been able to open up a Portal or does hook not count, because he was not hit by the curse in the beginning, he just returned with it.

Morgania
May 6th, 2014, 10:52 PM
That is the thing that worries me as well. He just has not said so far where the Jolly Roger is, that makes his being in our Realm pretty suspicous. Also the fact that none that were returned by the curse should have been able to open up a Portal or does hook not count, because he was not hit by the curse in the beginning, he just returned with it.

I swear it's been mentioned that the ship can travel through realms. Yet he hasn't mentioned it. Except about the memory potion, which was shortly before New York.

tomstone
May 6th, 2014, 11:18 PM
I swear it's been mentioned that the ship can travel through realms. Yet he hasn't mentioned it. Except about the memory potion, which was shortly before New York.

I think it was more that the ship survives such Travel. So far it either needed the Portal Bean or a special Sail to cross realms. None of which hook should have. So I wonder how he was supposedly sailing the realms.

Morgania
May 7th, 2014, 12:01 AM
I think it was more that the ship survives such Travel. So far it either needed the Portal Bean or a special Sail to cross realms. None of which hook should have. So I wonder how he was supposedly sailing the realms.

Didn't he already burn that sail? Could have fond, stolen, or won a magic item. Maybe he's secretly a wizard... of the ocean. So many other people on this show are magic.


If he gave up the ship to get to New York, it will give me major Captain Swan feels.

tomstone
May 7th, 2014, 07:50 AM
Didn't he already burn that sail? Could have fond, stolen, or won a magic item. Maybe he's secretly a wizard... of the ocean. So many other people on this show are magic.


If he gave up the ship to get to New York, it will give me major Captain Swan feels.

The first Sail he burned when he became a Pirate and the second was just Powered by Pans shadow which is now also gone. I guess you are right and he could have aquired another magic item. Still, that all of that is being ignored and just swept under the rug seems odd.

Morgania
May 7th, 2014, 09:44 AM
The first Sail he burned when he became a Pirate and the second was just Powered by Pans shadow which is now also gone. I guess you are right and he could have aquired another magic item. Still, that all of that is being ignored and just swept under the rug seems odd.

Yeah, it is instead odd. He possibly would have mentioned it to Smee when they were planning to take Henry to New York. There is also the thing about sacrificing something you love.
That pirate loves his ship.

Mrja84
May 7th, 2014, 10:08 AM
i really didn't state it right. i meant go back in time and grab baby zelena, and then go forward to her correct timelime and raise zelena in the present.

Well, that would just create a paradox. Regina would change the past and then wind up in a future where most likely, Storybrooke is gone since people went back to FTL once Regina ended the curse. So she would no longer have Henry and be back to a period of time where her and Robin Hood were not getting along.

Still, I think that would be cool. Sort of a way of giving both chances at being better in their roles as mother and daughter.

@Tomstone It was stated by Regina in FTL in the last episode, that once she ended the curse and sent people back to FTL, the barrier between realms was restored and that would prevent any magic beans, hatter's hat, or other usual methods from crossing realms.

However, the Curse would restore such ability. Also, there's a bit of a hole. Mermaids were said to be easily able to cross realms and there was a lot of realm-trotting prior to the curse's original enactment. Frankenstein's realm, Hook's meeting with Pan and then heading off to The Enchanted Forest, Zelena going back and forth between Oz, Alice and Wonderland, etc.

garhkal
May 7th, 2014, 08:50 PM
New-ish rules of CPR do not require mouth to mouth.

Newish rules have you using one of those mask things. Emma didn't have one so had to use old rules CPR with lip to lip contact.

hedwig
May 8th, 2014, 09:13 AM
Newish rules have you using one of those mask things. Emma didn't have one so had to use old rules CPR with lip to lip contact.

Newish rules say you don't need a mask and don't need mouth-to-mouth, just chest compressions until help arrives.

jelgate
May 8th, 2014, 11:41 AM
Newish rules say you don't need a mask and don't need mouth-to-mouth, just chest compressions until help arrives.Its preferable to do both rescue breaths and chest compressions. Many bystanders however are shown to be uncomfortable breathing into another person mouth. While both help it has been shown that chest compressions are so important in getting the blood moving. Although in the real world Hook would need at least a AED to live

hedwig
May 8th, 2014, 11:45 AM
Its preferable to do both rescue breaths and chest compressions. Many bystanders however are shown to be uncomfortable breathing into another person mouth. While both help it has been shown that chest compressions are so important in getting the blood moving. Although in the real world Hook would need at least a AED to live

What's an AED? :)

tomstone
May 8th, 2014, 12:56 PM
Well, that would just create a paradox. Regina would change the past and then wind up in a future where most likely, Storybrooke is gone since people went back to FTL once Regina ended the curse. So she would no longer have Henry and be back to a period of time where her and Robin Hood were not getting along.

Still, I think that would be cool. Sort of a way of giving both chances at being better in their roles as mother and daughter.

@Tomstone It was stated by Regina in FTL in the last episode, that once she ended the curse and sent people back to FTL, the barrier between realms was restored and that would prevent any magic beans, hatter's hat, or other usual methods from crossing realms.

However, the Curse would restore such ability. Also, there's a bit of a hole. Mermaids were said to be easily able to cross realms and there was a lot of realm-trotting prior to the curse's original enactment. Frankenstein's realm, Hook's meeting with Pan and then heading off to The Enchanted Forest, Zelena going back and forth between Oz, Alice and Wonderland, etc.

Yet as far as we know there are no more Portal Beans and they, besides the special Sail, are the only things that can enable the Jolly Roger to cross Realms. So again, if Hooks ship is in New York, how the F did it get there? I am starting to think that Hook got Ursulas help. Mermaids are able to cross realms easily as you said, so she must be able to as well. There has to be some reason they introduced Ursula somewhat.

In the end the preview talked about a new Land they would go to and Arielle and her Prince are far away and have their happy ever after. So something is wrong since the only other Character that is happy is Gepetto with his child Pinocchio.

Though thinking back at the possible Mushu (the chinese Guy with magic) and the electrocuting Pinocchio thing, I guess sometimes the writers do not think about it that much though.

Morgania
May 8th, 2014, 02:01 PM
So, you think Hook got transported by a sea witch? How did he get her do that? It still doesn't explain what happened to his ship.

jelgate
May 8th, 2014, 04:30 PM
What's an AED? :)

Automated external deliberator. Its basically the paddles the paramedics use but for a layperson. The stats show CPR alone is only effective 8%. Using an AED to shock the patients heart increases the possibility of survival

hedwig
May 8th, 2014, 06:27 PM
Automated external deliberator. Its basically the paddles the paramedics use but for a layperson. The stats show CPR alone is only effective 8%. Using an AED to shock the patients heart increases the possibility of survival

Thanks. But I think the word is defibrillator. :p

jelgate
May 8th, 2014, 07:53 PM
I detest spelling and grammar Nazis

garhkal
May 8th, 2014, 08:10 PM
Newish rules say you don't need a mask and don't need mouth-to-mouth, just chest compressions until help arrives.

Strange.. my last CPR class was in 2011 (may ish), and we were still taught to do mouth to mouth in it.

jelgate
May 8th, 2014, 08:36 PM
Strange.. my last CPR class was in 2011 (may ish), and we were still taught to do mouth to mouth in it.
Read my previous post. Hands on is for people uncomfortable with rescues breaths. Chest compressions is always preferred. My recertification was in 2013.

tomstone
May 8th, 2014, 09:09 PM
So, you think Hook got transported by a sea witch? How did he get her do that? It still doesn't explain what happened to his ship.

He is a Pirate and has sailed the Realms for some time, so he got to have heard about her and maybe called for her help when recieving the Letter from Neal. Of course everything comes with a Price and as already pointed out, that Pirate loves his Ship. He may have traded it for passage to New York.

Morgania
May 8th, 2014, 09:39 PM
He is a Pirate and has sailed the Realms for some time, so he got to have heard about her and maybe called for her help when recieving the Letter from Neal. Of course everything comes with a Price and as already pointed out, that Pirate loves his Ship. He may have traded it for passage to New York.

That's possible. The ship has been with him since he was in the Navy, so getting passage to New York might have been the only reason he'd give it up. If so, I wonder how soon he made it to NY after getting it back from Blackbeard.

In the promo for the finale... need to know why Killian punches his past self.

Mrja84
May 9th, 2014, 06:18 AM
That's possible. The ship has been with him since he was in the Navy, so getting passage to New York might have been the only reason he'd give it up. If so, I wonder how soon he made it to NY after getting it back from Blackbeard.

In the promo for the finale... need to know why Killian punches his past self.

1) Please note that is a spoiler for the next episode as sometimes people post spoilers even for the episode that's the topic of the thread.

2) It would be very cool, if he traded it for the opportunity to help and see Emma again. :)

Morgania
May 9th, 2014, 10:15 AM
Sorry... I will note what episode the spoilers are for in the future.


After watching Jolly Roger again, perhaps he did.


Slight past spoilers, and future episode spoilers...

Since everyone has their memories back now, his crew knows what happened to the ship. Where the ship is might come up when they run into his past self in the finale.

Mrja84
May 9th, 2014, 12:05 PM
Sorry... I will note what episode the spoilers are for in the future.


No problem, the only spoilers that matter are those for future episodes. If people viewed the current episode it is assumed they already saw or are aware of the events from previous episodes

AresLover452
May 9th, 2014, 04:05 PM
I'm still REELING over the whole Rumple/Belle engagement!! hahahahaha!! LOVE IT!

Morgania
May 9th, 2014, 04:19 PM
I'm still REELING over the whole Rumple/Belle engagement!! hahahahaha!! LOVE IT!

Erm...

Didn't Rumple give Belle the wrong dagger?

AresLover452
May 9th, 2014, 04:45 PM
Erm...

Didn't Rumple give Belle the wrong dagger?

I'm choosing to ignore that!! LOL! i mean Rumple playing switcharoo with the dagger is gonna bite him in the @$$ later, but I am focusing ont he RumBelleness of the scene!!! He wants to marry her and she wants to marry him!! I'm a happy shipper! LOL!

Morgania
May 9th, 2014, 05:10 PM
I'm choosing to ignore that!! LOL! i mean Rumple playing switcharoo with the dagger is gonna bite him in the @$$ later, but I am focusing ont he RumBelleness of the scene!!! He wants to marry her and she wants to marry him!! I'm a happy shipper! LOL!

I was paying more attention to the Emma/ Killian and Regina/ Robin scenes. They made me ship them. And also... time travel adventures on Sunday!

There also needs to be more sassy Killian.

AresLover452
May 9th, 2014, 10:19 PM
OMG~!!!! Robin and Regina are like SO ADORABLE together!! They are my second fave ship on the show! LOL!

garhkal
May 12th, 2014, 01:07 PM
Though with what happened at the end of the 2 parter finale, will that shipping stay together, or will robin go back to being with marion??