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GateWorld
February 14th, 2014, 10:40 PM
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<FONT SIZE="1">EPISODE NUMBER - 217</FONT>
<DIV STYLE="margin-top:10px; padding:0;">Gene and Miles venture into Willoughby in the hopes of finding allies to stand with them against the Patriots, only to find themselves trapped right under Trueman's nose. Meanwhile Monroe and the others find more men, and Neville attempts to turn Trueman against his superior.</DIV>
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Looney
March 23rd, 2014, 09:46 PM
Hmmmmmm . . . I didn't love this one. I'm not really sure they explored the title topic enough. I thought it was pretty predictable.

Obviously those aren't Charlie's guys anymore, so why did she say she was going with her guys? It was weird and didn't make sense. Those guys definitely lost interest in Charlie when they heard Duncan was dead.

So did we just learn that they can read the tattoo code and then the kid can eventually forget the transition or sleep it off or whatever - basically that it can be temporary? Is that what they were trying to tell us happened to Jason?

And by the way, what is so important about this little town? I've asked myself this question many times. I know that there are not many towns, but we've seen it. They've never shown it to be big enough to have a significant number of kids to make a difference in anything. They really should have explained the significance of it better. It just has never seemed like it should have any significance, other than the fact there are not many other towns.

fems
March 25th, 2014, 09:54 AM
Maybe the town is in a strategic place?

I pretty much agree with what was said above me but will add that Charlie was such a hypocrite when it came to Monroe killing those people - she had just sliced someone up herself for no reason other than him being in that tent (where she didn't actually seem to be doing anything, so she just killed him in case he might fight back) and then goes around condemning Monroe for doing pretty much the same thing! Really can't stand that character and the actress, albeit pretty, is so not making her more likable with her limited acting range.

Looney
March 25th, 2014, 09:12 PM
HA! You are so right about that. I completely forgot about that moment. Munroe was so twisted, but it was weird that she killed someone and then pointed that out. :D

Perelandra
March 26th, 2014, 10:00 AM
According to the previews, it sounds like we will be losing a character?
Wonder who it will be?
The previews said something about the " loss of one of your favorites"


I think the significance of Willoughby is supposed to be a mystery for now.
Agree with what was said above about Charlie calling our Monroe for all the killing when she's been doing the same thing herself.
I think Miles let the boy go as he doesn't want to be that person he used to be when he and Monroe were in power before but of course it's backfired on them.

anyone notice "Sharon" from SGU? Playing Miriam the barmaid.

VampyreWraith
March 26th, 2014, 02:59 PM
^Yeah, :) Sharon from SGU/Michelle from 24(they've had a lot of 24 actors on this show). I agree about Miles. He doesn't want to be the person he was in the past(while he was working with Monroe).

As for who's going to die, I'd guess Jason or Connor, but I'm leaning towards Jason, since Connor is a relatively new character and it seems overly dramatic to make a big deal in a promo over a character who's only been in 8 out of 38 episodes dying(though promos are generally overly dramatic). They barely do anything with Jason normally anyway, but the preview did make it look like he'll be more involved in the next ep. They'll probably give him a lot to do, give him some nice character moments, and then give him a nice big dramatic death. If the Willoughby storyline looks close to ending during the episode, then they could kill Gene. They could also probably kill Priscilla, but that seems like even less of a big deal right now than Connor(Connor dying would at least have more of an impact imo), and a "favorite" isn't really how I'd describe her either. The only way I can see Aaron dying in the next episode, is if the nanite and Patriot storylines get combined, and Aaron makes it to Willoughby by the end of the episode so that at least some of the other main characters see him die/know he's dead. It would be really messed up if they had him just die in the woods and then had Priscilla inform everyone that he was dead. I don't want Aaron to die(I don't want Jason or Connor to die either), but I really hope it's not Miles, Monroe, Rachel, or Tom though(those are my favorites lol).

I pretty much agree with everyone here about Charlie. To me, she seemed inconsistent this episode. Her decision to go "because her men were going ", and not wait for Miles seemed off(since as mentioned they weren't really her men anymore). Maybe she feels that since Duncan put her in charge of her men, she owes it to Duncan's memory to go out fighting with them? That's a bit weird since she barely knew Duncan, but I suppose it's possible. Or I suppose she could have just been saying that as an excuse, maybe she'd rather be off doing something and fighting, instead of doing nothing and waiting; but it was also obvious that Monroe attacking the reprogramming center would likely put Miles and her grandfather in danger, since they were in town trying to convince people they were the "good guys" just trying to help the town. Charlie going along with them was actually what let the Patriots and the townspeople know that it was the Matheson's group attacking and not some random war clan. It would have made more sense(based on how she usually acts) for her to go check on how things were going for Miles and her grandfather, if she didn't want to wait around.

On top of that(and as was also mentioned) after she goes along with Monroe and kills people, she complains about Monroe's methods; and makes comments to Connor about whether he's sure that that's what he wants to get involved with(in reference to Monroe and his ruthlessness). So why did she go in the first place again? Was she really that bored? She knows what Monroe is like and what they were going there to do. Maybe she likes Connor or at least relates to him, since he's the only one close to her age she's spent any time with lately, and she wanted to stay close to him in order to make sure he didn't get himself killed? Maybe she's just pretending not to care?

The consistency of Charlie's characterization isn't helped by the fact that she hasn't really been focused on this season, and that when she has been focused, on it's usually to try and show what a badass she's become and giving her sarcastic/witty lines. They don't really go into or show how she feels about things much. In the New Vegas ep she mentioned to Connor that she doesn't think they'd survive and that she might as well have some fun/enjoy things while she could. She came off as kind of jaded, but not really as hopeless as she did in this ep. In this ep, she almost seemed like she didn't really care about anything at times(and she's never really come across that way before) . It also doesn't help that the actress who plays Charlie isn't that great at conveying the emotions. It's hard for me to really sympathize or care much for a character, if I can't really understand what that character is supposed to be feeling or why they act the way that they do. On the more positive side, I found her line to Connor about whether he and Monroe were planning on getting matching thrones kind of funny.

Perelandra
March 26th, 2014, 03:41 PM
^^ I think Miles, Charlie,Rachel and Aaron are safe(I don't want Aaron killed off,either)
I thinkl they could possibly kill off Monroe or Neville(less likely),more likely Jason or Julia(I hope not Neville!)or Gene or Priscilla

Looney
March 26th, 2014, 08:27 PM
Okay in fairness, Munroe was walking around and purposely killing off the defenseless wounded. But it was still wrong that she commented on it right after she killed a guy.

escyos
March 27th, 2014, 01:40 AM
^^ I think Miles, Charlie,Rachel and Aaron are safe(I don't want Aaron killed off,either)
I thinkl they could possibly kill off Monroe or Neville(less likely),more likely Jason or Julia(I hope not Neville!)or Gene or Priscilla

The last (two) times they killed off a character it was really natural. Danny had little story time as did Nora, so I'd say its probably going to be Connor.

fems
March 27th, 2014, 05:39 AM
Okay in fairness, Munroe was walking around and purposely killing off the defenseless wounded. But it was still wrong that she commented on it right after she killed a guy.

True, but considering the limited amount of medicine they (are supposed to) have that might as well have been him showing mercy. After all, those people would die anyway, it'd just take longer and be more painful.

garhkal
March 27th, 2014, 01:40 PM
And by the way, what is so important about this little town? I've asked myself this question many times. I know that there are not many towns, but we've seen it. They've never shown it to be big enough to have a significant number of kids to make a difference in anything. They really should have explained the significance of it better. It just has never seemed like it should have any significance, other than the fact there are not many other towns.

Perhaps its a test run out in the middle of no where, that is being used to show proof of concept.


I thinkl they could possibly kill off Monroe or Neville(less likely),more likely Jason or Julia(I hope not Neville!)or Gene or Priscilla

I would actually love it Gene or nevil were the ones bitting the big one.

Looney
March 27th, 2014, 07:56 PM
True, but considering the limited amount of medicine they (are supposed to) have that might as well have been him showing mercy. After all, those people would die anyway, it'd just take longer and be more painful.

I am not trying to disagree. I feel like you are kind of correct, but for the fact that I don't believe Munroe thought he was showing mercy given what we know about him. And I don't know if what you said can really be applied to Patriots. Remember wagons full of medicine is how they won Gene over when they first showed up. But you are correct in that if someone was not familiar with Munroe and only knew what the battle scene looked like give the current time, space, and circumstance they might believe he was showing mercy to those who had little chance of survival and I think that may include Connor. :)

garhkal
April 5th, 2014, 12:40 PM
Plus if as shown, those who are 'tagged' can be taken over at any time by reading their "number", they will always be a threat.