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GateWorld
February 27th, 2014, 10:49 PM
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<FONT SIZE="1">EPISODE NUMBER - 115</FONT>
<DIV STYLE="margin-top:10px; padding:0;">The Asgardian warrior Lady Sif arrives on Earth in search of Lorelei, a deadly seductress who can control men with a touch -- and who sets her sights on a S.H.I.E.L.D. agent.</DIV>
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Baron Of Hell
March 12th, 2014, 03:05 AM
Interesting episode. We learn Ward didn't love May but instead loves another probably Fritz. G. H. probably stands for guest house. I think they hinted the blue guy was a ice giant. Loki is a ice giant so I guess they come in small sizes.

May seems to be doing some spying but for who. Could be Fury, could be the clairvoyant.

Sky doesn't give a hoot about alien DNA. She is just happy to be alive. Now she and Coulson will hook up and be spy lovers.

dosed150
March 12th, 2014, 04:17 AM
every time any show has a storyline like this when an enemy has a power over men, they still send men after them, its so obviously stupid

Skydiver
March 12th, 2014, 04:22 AM
may is probably spying for Fury...after all their leader was brought back to life with alien DNA....I'd keep an eye on him too.

The extreme need for secrecy - beyond typical government paranoia - comes from keeping their allies from finding 'gee, got one of your deceased here, don't mind that we're using him as a guinea pic k?'

mr_kennedy
March 12th, 2014, 05:02 AM
Yep May is working for Fury

I'm pretty sure now that the alien found at the glass house is a kree, especially with the Guardians of the Galaxy movie coming up


Interesting episode. We learn Ward didn't love May but instead loves another probably Fritz. G. H. probably stands for guest house. I think they hinted the blue guy was a ice giant. Loki is a ice giant so I guess they come in small sizes.

May seems to be doing some spying but for who. Could be Fury, could be the clairvoyant.

Sky doesn't give a hoot about alien DNA. She is just happy to be alive. Now she and Coulson will hook up and be spy lovers.

I doubt Fury is the Clairvoyant but interesting theory, might be a Fury related bad guy tho

Sky/Coulson duo shall be called.........alien spliced..... Scoulson?

Baron Of Hell
March 12th, 2014, 05:14 AM
No no no Fury isn't the clairvoyant. May might be working for Fury or the Clairvoyant. Though it is probably Fury.

Mrja84
March 12th, 2014, 09:19 AM
every time any show has a storyline like this when an enemy has a power over men, they still send men after them, its so obviously stupid

Agreed. Though to be honest, they had a full gang and cops to deal with and they only had 2 female team members that were mission capable, though Simmons isn't good in a fight.

Baron Of Hell
March 12th, 2014, 09:22 AM
True but she had to touch the guys. They probably thought they could keep a distance from her.

Booklover
March 12th, 2014, 12:19 PM
I liked how Coulson is starting to go a little "rogue" and wanting to take it to S.H.I.E.L.D.

My favorite part from the episode:

Lady Sif calling Coulson -- Phillip, son of Coul. Traces back to the first Thor movie with Thor calling him "Son of Coul".

garhkal
March 12th, 2014, 12:28 PM
Interesting episode. We learn Ward didn't love May but instead loves another probably Fritz. G. H. probably stands for guest house. I think they hinted the blue guy was a ice giant. Loki is a ice giant so I guess they come in small sizes.

May seems to be doing some spying but for who. Could be Fury, could be the clairvoyant.

Sky doesn't give a hoot about alien DNA. She is just happy to be alive. Now she and Coulson will hook up and be spy lovers.

My guess is shield higher ups.. See seemed quick to report that Coulson knows about his resurrection now..
As for Skye, i am surprised she is being so flippant about knowing that she is an 084 (unknown item of alien origin) and now also has more alien DNA in her.


every time any show has a storyline like this when an enemy has a power over men, they still send men after them, its so obviously stupid

Kind of like Hathor in SG1..
Though i wonder why there has been no equivalent 'mind taker' that is male who takes over women..?

Mrja84
March 12th, 2014, 12:41 PM
True but she had to touch the guys. They probably thought they could keep a distance from her.

Well, Sif did say her voice, appearance, and touch were the ways that Lorelai could entrance men. Not just touch.


My guess is shield higher ups.. See seemed quick to report that Coulson knows about his resurrection now..
As for Skye, i am surprised she is being so flippant about knowing that she is an 084 (unknown item of alien origin) and now also has more alien DNA in her.

More alien DNA? An 084 isn't about her being alien, it's that she is an Object of Unknown Origin, not alien. She could be man made, from the future, the past, etc. SHIELD just did not (does not) know where she came from.


Kind of like Hathor in SG1..
Though i wonder why there has been no equivalent 'mind taker' that is male who takes over women..?

Most likely, because it would be perceived as rape. Where as all men don't care if they are mind controlled into having sex with a beautiful woman.

Was she even that beautiful? I just wasn't attracted to her. In fact, I don't particularly fine any woman on SHIELD attractive guest-stars, starring, or not.

Looney
March 12th, 2014, 08:08 PM
Okay, how about the big deal that they finally brought in a real superhero from the movies. A semi-minor one, but still a crossover. Just thought that needed to be highlighted a little more. Others have mentioned her, but I feel the point needed to be made because I hear a lot of people complaining about that when they complain about the show. Not necessarily in this forum, but I hear it.

And I think I will also point out that they did learn their lesson about sending male teams. The team that raided the hotel room in Vegas was all women. It was hard to tell, but they were; female voices and a couple quick glimpses of faces.

I enjoyed this episode for the most part. Really don't like that they're going to go there with Ward and Skye. Pathetic.

I really do like that May reported what she heard. I think something like that has been missing. The last few weeks they keep saying Coulson is going a little rogue and I haven't bought into the notion that no one is doing anything about it. Now we see May doing something about it.

And I don't think there is any way May is working for the Clairvoyant.

And I don't think that looked like an Ice Giant, even a short one. ;)

I think the best theory is . . .




I'm pretty sure now that the alien found at the glass house is a kree, especially with the Guardians of the Galaxy movie coming up




I don't know what a Kree is, but that seems like something they would do. I posted another theory I heard in the previous episode's thread. I read a theory that said it might be a Marvel Universe immortal named Saul, who's real name is Garbha-Hsien. I don't really know a lot about the Marvel Universe outside the movies, but the initials match, "G.H." :D

So, I am really glad that Lady Sif showed up. I didn't care for the villain, but it was an okay episode.

meredithchandler73
March 14th, 2014, 09:54 AM
Enjoyed this episode a lot, even with the plot holes.


every time any show has a storyline like this when an enemy has a power over men, they still send men after them, its so obviously stupid

While they did send an all-female SWAT team to check out the Vegas hotel (led by Coulson), it seems like they might have thought of that a little sooner. I was yelling at my TV, "Ward! Just shoot her already!" and the next thing I know, she has touched him and he is hers. Ugh.


My guess is shield higher ups.. See seemed quick to report that Coulson knows about his resurrection now..

Well, May knew Coulson was resurrected and the entire team was brought in on that news in the last episode (T.A.H.I.T.I.). I figured that the line "Coulson knows" was be referring to exactly how he was resurrected - that it has something to do with a blue alien. But perhaps it is some kind of misdirection? Someone is asking her what's going on with Coulson and now - as it will become clear that Coulson is going off on his own trying to track down answers - she has to report that he knows he came back from the dead and saw the Level 10 report. However, if that is the case, then she isn't reporting to Fury because he was the one who authorized Coulson to see the report on his death and recovery.


I enjoyed this episode for the most part. Really don't like that they're going to go there with Ward and Skye. Pathetic.

I really do like that May reported what she heard. I think something like that has been missing. The last few weeks they keep saying Coulson is going a little rogue and I haven't bought into the notion that no one is doing anything about it. Now we see May doing something about it.

And I don't think there is any way May is working for the Clairvoyant.

I was really hoping to avoid the Skye/Ward thing too, but we will just have to wait and see.

I agree - don't think there is any way May is working for the Clairvoyant. It could be Fury, Maria Hill, Agent Hand, or even Agent Garrett. Perhaps even a character who will be in the upcoming movie. I always get the sense that May is looking out for Coulson. She has been trying to get him to talk about what's bothering him - first by saying she's there for him and then later trying to get him to talk to Skye.

And more on Melinda May - she is such a stoic character that it is hard to know what's going on in her head. Hearing that Ward wanted someone else, did that truly hurt her? I never got the sense that May was falling for Ward. All along she is the one that tells him to keep things professional. In T.R.A.C.K.S. when Ward says, "Does it seem like things are getting serious?" May just gives him a look until he clarifies that he is talking about the missions. When May jumps off the train, she rushes to Coulson and feels for a pulse. See the relief (and that lovely little smile) when she realizes he isn't dead. And watch May's interaction with Coulson while he treated her wound in that episode, too. I'm not saying May wouldn't feel anything about hearing that Ward cared for someone else, but being called a beautiful warrior with a heart of ice was probably more hurtful.

Did anyone else catch the vague reference to the mission where May earned her nickname The Cavalry? When Fitz is showing Ward and May the new Icers (formerly Night-Night guns), May has a line about how when you are dealing with people who are being controlled, it's hard to tell friend from foe. When Coulson told the story to Skye, he explained that there was a gifted individual whose worshippers/followers (they didn't find out exactly what) were holding agents and civilians hostage. May came to the rescue, but it sounds like there was angst there knowing that she'd have to hurt people who were being controlled.

knowles2
March 14th, 2014, 10:17 AM
SHIELD just did not (does not) know where she came from.

SHIELD doesn't no anything about Sky, as far we know, apart from that she a hacker that Caulson recruited, we can presume whom or what ever she is, the two agent that hid her not just from SHIELD but also from the forces that attack the Chinese village considered SHIELD as much as a threat to her as the forces that attacked the village.



I'm pretty sure now that the alien found at the glass house is a kree, According to Lady Seth the Asgard know the Kree and stopped them from destroying earth before, therefore one would presume they are keeping a close eye on them trying again, an surely would put a stop to any Kree forces that tried to invade Earth.

garhkal
March 14th, 2014, 02:24 PM
More alien DNA? An 084 isn't about her being alien, it's that she is an Object of Unknown Origin, not alien. She could be man made, from the future, the past, etc. SHIELD just did not (does not) know where she came from.

True an 084 could mean she is just from somewhere else but so far its always meant alien!




Most likely, because it would be perceived as rape. Where as all men don't care if they are mind controlled into having sex with a beautiful woman.


Which to me is a screwed up Double standard. Its ok for men to get mind raped and physically raped, as "They always want sex" but do it to a woman, and all of a sudden it becomes wrong.
Just like how it seems its ok to discriminate against men, but do so against woman and 'LAWSUIT!"


I really do like that May reported what she heard. I think something like that has been missing. The last few weeks they keep saying Coulson is going a little rogue and I haven't bought into the notion that no one is doing anything about it. Now we see May doing something about it.

I actually disliked that, as it made her seem like she has always been playing for the other team, a double agent of sorts..


While they did send an all-female SWAT team to check out the Vegas hotel (led by Coulson), it seems like they might have thought of that a little sooner. I was yelling at my TV, "Ward! Just shoot her already!" and the next thing I know, she has touched him and he is hers. Ugh.

It was probably a nod back to chauvinism.. where guys won't shoot a gal even if they KNOW they are a threat till its too late to do anything..


Did anyone else catch the vague reference to the mission where May earned her nickname The Cavalry? When Fitz is showing Ward and May the new Icers (formerly Night-Night guns), May has a line about how when you are dealing with people who are being controlled, it's hard to tell friend from foe. When Coulson told the story to Skye, he explained that there was a gifted individual whose worshippers/followers (they didn't find out exactly what) were holding agents and civilians hostage. May came to the rescue, but it sounds like there was angst there knowing that she'd have to hurt people who were being controlled.

It did seem like they were trying to hamm in a reference to that.. covertly.

Mrja84
March 18th, 2014, 08:13 AM
And more on Melinda May - she is such a stoic character that it is hard to know what's going on in her head. Hearing that Ward wanted someone else, did that truly hurt her? I never got the sense that May was falling for Ward. All along she is the one that tells him to keep things professional. In T.R.A.C.K.S. when Ward says, "Does it seem like things are getting serious?" May just gives him a look until he clarifies that he is talking about the missions. When May jumps off the train, she rushes to Coulson and feels for a pulse. See the relief (and that lovely little smile) when she realizes he isn't dead. And watch May's interaction with Coulson while he treated her wound in that episode, too.

Coulson and May are friends from working together before. But May only told Coulson to talk to Skye as she had bugged that room, since she figured Coulson may not open up to her (which he didn't).

So she may have seemed caring, she just wanted him to spill the beans.

yukin1990
March 19th, 2014, 09:19 PM
Nice Casting on Lorelei, many of the man feel their want to seduced by her!!
Good to see Lady Sif, too!!
all female shield tac team storm into the hotel room after bar scene is a nice touch.
I think the Blue Alien inside G.H are probably Frost Giant or Kree !!
So is it Skye is a Kree or Frost Giant hybrid ?
and what happen Lorelei back to Asgard, now that Loki posing as Odin in Asgard?
Coulson is starting to go a little "rogue" and wanting to take it to S.H.I.E.L.D. --i like it!!

And May is report to Fury, right?

Gollumpus
March 19th, 2014, 11:11 PM
I was kind of ticked off with the scene at the biker bar.

It wasn't so much that they sent a team made up mostly of men to attempt the capture of Lorelei, but rather:
a.) these trained operatives didn't seem to be able to establish or maintain a perimeter, and
b.) there wasn't any aerial reconnaissance.

There were enough people there that they could cover that building, both front and back. They could have been several yards back, with interlocking fields of fire. Instead, Sif goes into the bar, and everyone else (except for Ward) looks like they hang around the front door waiting for the all clear.

It also seems unlikely that they couldn't get at least a helicopter or a light plane to keep an eye on things from higher up. Heck, they could even have used the Flying Clubhouse. Come to think of it, maybe the writers should have done that very thing.

How could Ward and Lorelei just scoot off on a bike without anyone noticing?

As the story unfolded, Lorelei comes out of the bar (unnoticed by anyone except Ward, who she blunders into), they take several moments to "bond", and then they ride off into the desert and head to Vegas. Why didn't the SHIELD agents get into their vehicles (or use the bikes) and give chase?

Was Ward having perhaps a whole 15 seconds of a head start to much of a hurdle to overcome? We're talking desert, or asphalt for the surfaces they were riding on. If It's the highway, there's only two ways they could have gone. If they went in to the desert they'd likely be leaving a dust cloud in their wake. For just that eventuality it would have been useful to have some air cover.

On the other hand, if they had left Ward on the plane, providing air cover, and Lorelei was then able to gain control of him, them escaping on the plane makes a lot more sense (at least to me). They'd still have to find a way for her to get out of the bar, maybe via a tunnel which the bikers had previously dug in case of a possible police standoff?

She could be out in the desert a goodly way out there, and Ward then searches for her, as directed by Coulson. When Ward gets the plane too close she gains control him and they fly off to Vegas. They could likely be there and on the ground before any serious response can be mounted to reports of a stolen SHIELD aircraft.

regards,
G.

Morgania
March 22nd, 2014, 10:07 PM
One of the first episode of this show I saw in a while.

Sif got orders from Odin... would the be the Loki glamour, or the real one?

garhkal
March 23rd, 2014, 01:28 PM
I hope they address that issue in the next film for the franchise.

Morgania
March 23rd, 2014, 01:35 PM
I hope they address that issue in the next film for the franchise.

Oh, I hope so. Who was that other guy Lorelei mentioned besides Thor?


If Loki is still pretending to be Odin... I keep thinking Sif will somehow know it's him.

Alphabet Cookie
March 24th, 2014, 04:57 AM
I hope they address that too, maybe Loki has some nefarious reason to want Lorelei back?

I loved this ep if only to see Lady Sif, she was my favorite character in the Thor movie's though i think i must be the only one who ship's Lady Sif and Thor.

The part where Ward let Lorelei touch him annoyed me, he was warned that was how she worked and he just stood there!

I think May is reporting to Fury, i hope so anyways. Everyone trusts her, especially Coulson, and i don't want her to be doing anything bad

Starsaber
March 25th, 2014, 01:39 PM
One of the first episode of this show I saw in a while.

Sif got orders from Odin... would the be the Loki glamour, or the real one?

Thor 2 spoilers
I assume it was Loki and that's why "alive" was specified. Especially since her sister is associated with Loki in the comics.

Skydiver
March 26th, 2014, 04:19 PM
guys, let's watch the movie spoilers please. What's open season in this thread is the episode, not other things in the universe

thanks

garhkal
March 27th, 2014, 01:46 PM
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I think May is reporting to Fury, i hope so anyways. Everyone trusts her, especially Coulson, and i don't want her to be doing anything bad

Maybe she IS a mole, put there to watch over coulson and what he knows..

Starfist
April 12th, 2014, 10:33 AM
A Very Interesting episode.
Why was the villian speaking with a British accent...?

jelgate
April 12th, 2014, 10:43 AM
A Very Interesting episode.
Why was the villian speaking with a British accent...?

Its the classic cliché. The villain is always British.

garhkal
April 13th, 2014, 11:39 PM
There's a TV advert going around saying that british folk seem to always make the best badguys..

P-90_177
April 14th, 2014, 09:05 AM
A Very Interesting episode.
Why was the villian speaking with a British accent...?

Cos all asgardians do? So was the lady Sif.

So do Simmons and Fitz in case you missed it. :p

Starfist
April 15th, 2014, 01:21 PM
The advert is for Jaguar cars.

Simmons speaks with a British accent.
I believe Fitz is meant to be Scottish.

P-90_177
April 15th, 2014, 01:27 PM
The advert is for Jaguar cars.

Simmons speaks with a British accent.
I believe Fitz is meant to be Scottish.

yes he is and Scotland is part of Britain.

Mrja84
April 15th, 2014, 05:24 PM
yes he is and Scotland is part of Britain.

For now... ;)

P-90_177
April 15th, 2014, 05:32 PM
For now... ;)

Regardless of whether they get independence or not it'll still be a part of Britain. They won't be a part of the United Kingdom, but Britain is the name of the island as a whole. :p

But hopefully come September it'll be moot point. :p

P-90_177
October 6th, 2014, 04:02 PM
Having just rewatched this episode... I think Ward may have seen an opportunity to knock off May at the end without raising any suspicions. He pulled the trigger after Sif put the collar on Lorelei.

meredithchandler73
October 7th, 2014, 04:13 AM
That's an interesting theory! I personally think Ward wasn't supposed to and/or didn't desire to kill any of the team. He found a way to become a trusted (including letting things get intimate with May). Also, Ward showed a big reaction to coming out of Lorelei's spell. I'm not sure if would have shut off and he wouldn't have any reaction at all - just kept on fighting with May.

P-90_177
November 12th, 2014, 07:44 PM
That's an interesting theory! I personally think Ward wasn't supposed to and/or didn't desire to kill any of the team. He found a way to become a trusted (including letting things get intimate with May). Also, Ward showed a big reaction to coming out of Lorelei's spell. I'm not sure if would have shut off and he wouldn't have any reaction at all - just kept on fighting with May.

Having watched through season 1 again (and from what we've seen from season 2) he definitely cares for Sky and also FitzSimmons. He even sees Coulson as a good man who he'd like to follow. But I don't think he ever cared for May. He only saw her as a potential threat. That's why he got together with her in the first place, and while May stuck to keeping it purely physical he pretended to feel more for her because that way if nothing else he might be able to see a chink in her armour somewhere.

Like Ward said to Raina later on, he is everyone's type. Hence why he was seen to also flirt with Simmons. But in the end he will have noted that May was the highest threat and therefore the one worth getting closest to. I honestly don't think he ever felt anything for her in the slightest.