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GateWorld
December 11th, 2013, 10:51 PM
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<FONT SIZE="1">EPISODE NUMBER - 311</FONT>
<DIV STYLE="margin-top:10px; padding:0;">The residents of Storybrooke race to stop Peter Pan from enacting a new curse that could wipe out the town, forcing more than one of them to make a deep and personal sacrifice.</DIV>
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Skydiver
December 15th, 2013, 05:57 PM
so..blue was just 'mostly dead' so yay for that. Nice to see Tink get her wings back. Doubt Rumple is really dead, unless carlyle wanted to leave the show. (would heard rumors of that)

Nice set up for the rest of the season...but you know, this show has to have a finite life span, cause it's gonna get really boring really fast to have there always be a new challenge.

oh, and the new mythos.....rock on Wicked :D

majorsal
December 15th, 2013, 08:08 PM
a really good episode!!

now the question: do the storybrooke ppl, who have now been sent back to fairytale land, remember their time in storybrooke?

jeri
December 15th, 2013, 09:59 PM
a really good episode!!

now the question: do the storybrooke ppl, who have now been sent back to fairytale land, remember their time in storybrooke?
I thought Regina said no, they would not remember.

jeri
December 15th, 2013, 10:03 PM
If you remember the previous Dark One tricked Rumple into killing him because he couldn't kill himself to get out of the curse. So this makes me wonder if Rumple is not dead but transported back to FTL, or who knows where.

tomstone
December 16th, 2013, 12:19 AM
All in all awesome Episode and great to see them get home. Yet, is it just me or was this Episode full off oddness? I mean for example Hook jumping around in the Church to agitate the Shadow without any plan. Then one of the Dwarfs running into town Square claiming that the curse is coming from all sides and there is no escape, yet they have no Issue getting to the Town limits. Rumple and his Dad just disappearing including Dagger. And the thing that Bugs me most of all, Neal. Why the F did he have to return to the Forest? He was never cursed!

Platschu
December 16th, 2013, 01:38 AM
It was a really good episode, but I haven't liked the last scenes. Hook and Emma? Please, no. The writers should decide what they want and speak with each other, because Hook was interested to establish a relationship with Tinky, Emma went back to Neal in the last episode, but now it seemed to be changed again. Then Hook shows up and kiss her randomly? What has he expected? He is not the "true" love of Emma. But the good news is that at least he remembers them, so all the other characters will also remember. :finger crossed:

And if everyone can go to distant lands with magic then why is it so hard to find Emma and Henry in 11 eleven years? There were magic items which could open portals... The Hatter, the mirrors etc. So don't tell me that Regina went home and she was not looking for them for 11 years. But maybe she wanted to pay this price what she mentioned. Or even the EF time goes differently from ours, so when 11 years passed here it could be only months in forests.

You know what would be a nice twist? If Jaffar would be the next big villain after they finished the Wonderland series. If Knave and Anastasia (the Russian princess?) were from EF then they should also reappear in EF too. Maybe Wonderland is not affected, but then what happened to Dr. Whale? Who has he arrived to Stroybrooke? Was he kept in prison in EF that is the was how he was teleported to Storybrooke with everyone else?

And where is Gold? Don't tell me that they have killed off the fan favoritue character of the show. :S

Skydiver
December 16th, 2013, 03:17 AM
I sincerely doubt that Gold is dead.

But it does kinda feel like they pushed to get to a cliffie.

Sometimes I think the writers never planned to get more than a single season, and now that the show is going on and on and on they're scrambling to keep bettering themselves while the plot gets more and more convoluted. It's like Lost with story characters. A really good premise that gets more and more twisty as time goes on as the writers struggle to generate plot twists and cliffies.

as much fun as the show is, it's also get tiring that they never get their happy ending, because the show can't 'end', it's making too much money to 'end'

Platschu
December 16th, 2013, 03:34 AM
Kate (Emma), we have to go back!

Mrja84
December 16th, 2013, 07:05 AM
Kate (Emma), we have to go back!

I don't get that reference. Now if you had stated, "Doc, we have to go back!"..... ;)


And if everyone can go to distant lands with magic then why is it so hard to find Emma and Henry in 11 eleven years?

I don't think time was altered. Regina only changed Emma's memories. So the outside world is still the same, Henry was put up for adoption, yadda, yadda, yadda.

Everyone in FTL went back right at that moment, not back in time. Otherwise, it would have been 20 years instead of 11. Regina only changed Emma and Henry's memories from the moment Emma gave birth to him.

Emma and Henry's memories were changed. As Emma stated, their past would be "fake", but their future would be real.

So Emma and Henry recall a life where she kept him and they were a happy family. But only concern is what about birth records and custody papers. They would not exist.

I also am glad we got an answer to a longstanding question from Season 1 finale. Emma broke the memory curse and by doing that gave way for Regina to eventually break her own curse. Since the curse was still in effect hence Storybroke existing.

tomstone
December 16th, 2013, 08:10 AM
I sincerely doubt that Gold is dead.

But it does kinda feel like they pushed to get to a cliffie.

Sometimes I think the writers never planned to get more than a single season, and now that the show is going on and on and on they're scrambling to keep bettering themselves while the plot gets more and more convoluted. It's like Lost with story characters. A really good premise that gets more and more twisty as time goes on as the writers struggle to generate plot twists and cliffies.

as much fun as the show is, it's also get tiring that they never get their happy ending, because the show can't 'end', it's making too much money to 'end'

Actually the Show so far is actually going quite steady in my opinion. At least I enjoyed the Story-Arc of the last 3 Seasons alot and it is great how it all came together. I can see them going on longer, if they manage to get together a new Seasons spanning Storyline.

Dont get me wrong. I agree that it has to end at some point, but 3 Seasons is really not that much. I think Charmed went through 6 Storyarcs or so before the Series died and dont tell me the writers planned that. After all you had one Dead Sister and soon after a Dead Source of all Evil after just 2 Seasons.

Also just on a sidenote, how sure are we that the residents of the Enchanted Forest actually returned home? We only saw Regina standing in the Curse cloud and watching as Emma drives off. Next thing we know, Hook is on Emmas Doorstep looking for help.

Platschu
December 16th, 2013, 08:31 AM
I don't get that reference. Now if you had stated, "Doc, we have to go back!"..... ;)
It was a reference to LOST, when Jack begged to Kate to return to the island. :)

Just a question. What happened with Pinoccio? Have the writers forgotten him? He was not affected by the curse, so he has grown up on the Earth. He helped to lead Emma to the right way. So will this storyline be ignored then?

Inquisitor
December 16th, 2013, 09:13 AM
August was killed by Tamara, a wooden person was electrocuted...

I do have some annoyances with the show, though. Such as Neal, Hook, Tinkerbell and the Lost Boys weren't cursed by Regina and so they could've stayed. Neal didn't have anyone in the Enchanted Forest; he only had Henry and Emma. A DNA test would show he's Henry's father, even if Emma had no memory.

They seem to forget things a bit too quickly.

jeri
December 16th, 2013, 09:25 AM
I believe Regina said everyone who was born in FTL will go back there. Hook was from another realm, not FTL.

Mrja84
December 16th, 2013, 10:07 AM
I believe Regina said everyone who was born in FTL will go back there. Hook was from another realm, not FTL.

Wasn't Hook from here? Wasn't he from England as a navy man (turn pirate) centuries ago?

tomstone
December 16th, 2013, 10:42 AM
August was killed by Tamara, a wooden person was electrocuted...

I do have some annoyances with the show, though. Such as Neal, Hook, Tinkerbell and the Lost Boys weren't cursed by Regina and so they could've stayed. Neal didn't have anyone in the Enchanted Forest; he only had Henry and Emma. A DNA test would show he's Henry's father, even if Emma had no memory.

They seem to forget things a bit too quickly.

Completly agree and would green you if I could for the electrocuting a Wooden Person thing. You are right with some of them having a choice and I kind of wonder where the Lost Boys are better off. Pinocio could have stayed, but he wouldn´t without Ghepetto, so thats mute.


Wasn't Hook from here? Wasn't he from England as a navy man (turn pirate) centuries ago?

Yep, at least there has been no indication otherwise and they technically used the same coordinates to get to Neverland as the Darlings did in the Original Story.

Am I the only one who thought though that Neverlands Day/Night cycle was very odd? I cant help but think there is something going on even if it was never adressed so far.

hedwig
December 16th, 2013, 11:44 AM
August was killed by Tamara, a wooden person was electrocuted...

However, he was revived (by the Blue Fairy, I think). But he was revived as a child and still lives with Gepetto.

rkgardner2003
December 17th, 2013, 02:55 AM
I liked this episode. I don't think Rumple is dead, he'll be back somehow. The way I understood it, everyone was going back to the place they were born except for Emma because she is the savior. And I think only Emma and Henry will forget what has happened. I don't remember Emma and Neal getting back together, the opposite actually, didn't she tell both Neal and Hook in Neverland the only one she was interested in was Henry? I actually think the writers have had a plan all along, remember these are the writers from Lost, and they weave together some pretty out there stuff.

Mrja84
December 17th, 2013, 04:57 AM
I actually think the writers have had a plan all along, remember these are the writers from Lost, and they weave together some pretty out there stuff.

it's been stated that the writers of Lost would write themselves in corners and then have to come up with ways around it. So Lost didn't always have a plan, it had a setting and then the writers took it where they did.

tomstone
December 17th, 2013, 12:58 PM
it's been stated that the writers of Lost would write themselves in corners and then have to come up with ways around it. So Lost didn't always have a plan, it had a setting and then the writers took it where they did.

Please stop talking about Lost. I am loosing my faith in the creators of this Series. :D

Mrja84
December 18th, 2013, 05:07 AM
Please stop talking about Lost. I am loosing my faith in the creators of this Series. :D

Well, I will say, that I like Once very much. I like the themes and the setting. Though flashbacks of the Enchanted Forest and the use of green screen and CGI can take you right out of the show. That's why I lost interest in Wonderland after the first episode.

Sometimes writers need a guide on where they are and where they want to go. Other writers are great at playing it off the cuff so to speak. Supernatural had a 5 year plan and it was great.

Each episode was explicitly writtern, there was room for growth and change, but they had an outline for each season. After the 5th season there were some stumbles, but I think they got a plan now and seem to be on track again.

Once definitely had a plan for the first season. The second season was solid as well. I think the third season is where it dropped the ball so to speak. Though given that a lot of the actors that play supporting roles have become series regulars on other shows probably is one of the reason this season has focused so much on the core cast and took them away form the town.

hedwig
December 18th, 2013, 09:59 AM
Once definitely had a plan for the first season. The second season was solid as well. I think the third season is where it dropped the ball so to speak. Though given that a lot of the actors that play supporting roles have become series regulars on other shows probably is one of the reason this season has focused so much on the core cast and took them away form the town.

Who else besides Meghan Ory (Red) is a regular on another show? :)

Mrja84
December 18th, 2013, 10:49 AM
Who else besides Meghan Ory (Red) is a regular on another show? :)

I'd say Tom Neville, but that's his character on Revolution (see: Giancarlo Esposito).

They made Meghan and Emilie a series regular last year, but Red didn't do much and they've opted to use Emilie more for fake Belle than real Belle.

Meghan probably wanted more screentime and found a show to do that for her.

It also may have been more cost-saving for them to use a set for shootinig instead of the town used fro Storybrooke.

tomstone
December 18th, 2013, 11:17 AM
Well, I will say, that I like Once very much. I like the themes and the setting. Though flashbacks of the Enchanted Forest and the use of green screen and CGI can take you right out of the show. That's why I lost interest in Wonderland after the first episode.

Sometimes writers need a guide on where they are and where they want to go. Other writers are great at playing it off the cuff so to speak. Supernatural had a 5 year plan and it was great.

Each episode was explicitly writtern, there was room for growth and change, but they had an outline for each season. After the 5th season there were some stumbles, but I think they got a plan now and seem to be on track again.

Once definitely had a plan for the first season. The second season was solid as well. I think the third season is where it dropped the ball so to speak. Though given that a lot of the actors that play supporting roles have become series regulars on other shows probably is one of the reason this season has focused so much on the core cast and took them away form the town.

I still hope that, they can end this Show on good terms. They proofed in this Episode that they definitely dont think much about what is going to happen later on or what happened before, but I remain that they are Genius at uniting all these Stories. I mean who else would ever think of Peter Pan being Rumplestilzchens Dad.

Inquisitor
December 18th, 2013, 07:13 PM
I still hope that, they can end this Show on good terms. They proofed in this Episode that they definitely dont think much about what is going to happen later on or what happened before, but I remain that they are Genius at uniting all these Stories. I mean who else would ever think of Peter Pan being Rumplestilzchens Dad.

To be honest though, I'm not sure if they're geniuses or just high when they're coming up with ideas.

When googling for who Anastasia in Wonderland could be based off from, I just realised that Alex's story in Nikita is based off Disney Anastasia..

garhkal
December 22nd, 2013, 02:06 PM
It was a decent enough mid season finalle. That the curse would shift everyone back home regardless is why it is a curse. That ending with hook showing up though was cool!

Baron Of Hell
January 12th, 2015, 05:24 AM
I was ok with everything except the ending with Hook showing up. Oh and the lost altered memories is played out.