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Spimman
November 8th, 2013, 07:34 AM
From the first episode of Agents of SHIELD there has been a mystery surrounding Coulson about what happened to him after his death. From Wikipedia:


In the series' pilot episode (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilot_%28Agents_of_S.H.I.E.L.D.%29), Phil Coulson reveals that he did technically die at Loki's hands but was immediately resuscitated by S.H.I.E.L.D. medics and sent to recover in Tahiti (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tahiti). Nick Fury withheld this information from the Avengers to facilitate their collaboration as a team. However, a conversation between Maria Hill (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Hill) and Dr. Streiten (a S.H.I.E.L.D. medic) suggests there is more to Coulson's resurrection than he himself is aware, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Coulson#cite_note-Pilot-12)with his former protégé noting something different about Coulson during a later meeting.

In episode one they said Coulson can "never know" what really happened. Since then there have been a series of hints, mentions and character noticing changes in Coulson. SO what is the deal?

I'd like to use this thread as an area to discuss the new information from each weekly installment (no need for spoiler tags), discuss theories (no need for spoiler tags) and discuss actual facts yet to air (use spoiler tags). This thread will follow the US airing schedule.

#CoulsonLives

mr_kennedy
November 8th, 2013, 02:01 PM
I don't think he is a LMD, i think its either MAGIC related, and there might be a fallout later on? who knows or

HIS a prototype for ULTRON or something, and the real COULSON is dead but they have a potential to bring him back using magic or something, or...

time travel, time travel would be cool travel back to that scene in Avengers, his team save him before coulson dies. I guess that would depend on weather or not Tom Hiddleston would be willing to make a cameo?

garhkal
November 11th, 2013, 11:56 AM
I'd hate it if it was TT related.. LMD or some other situation is the angle i lean towards.

Spimman
November 13th, 2013, 05:38 AM
Yall catch that reference last night. At the Hub, Skye is trying to get something out of Coulson. He tells her she has to trust the system. She says...

“He’s acting like a robot version of himself right now,” Skye answers when Simmons asks her how the conversation went. Skye convinces her to help her find information on the mission.


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Also, Coulson was unable to view his own "Tahiti" file even though he has level 8 access and presumably he should have access to the file. Also, anytime someone mentions him in Tahiti he almost instinctively says, "It's beautiful there" but this week he almost doubted why he said it.

Spimman
November 14th, 2013, 05:17 AM
In the episode "The Asset"

Coulson struggles with his gun, with the team thinking he's rusty. He mentions the odd lack of muscle memory, which could be yet another LMD (Life Model Decoy) clue. Life Model Decoys would not have muscle memory since they are robots.

garhkal
November 14th, 2013, 09:27 PM
Also, Coulson was unable to view his own "Tahiti" file even though he has level 8 access and presumably he should have access to the file. Also, anytime someone mentions him in Tahiti he almost instinctively says, "It's beautiful there" but this week he almost doubted why he said it.

Who do you think blocked it? Fury? the 'overseers?

mckaychick
November 15th, 2013, 06:42 AM
I think they are dropping enough hints of life model decoy. been thinking that for a bit and also the slight reference in the avengers. Hopefully we will truley find out soon

Spimman
November 15th, 2013, 07:39 AM
Coulson saying (about Skye) that some secrets are best left that way, is really a hint by the writers about his own secret. I wonder what finding out will do to him?


Who do you think blocked it? Fury? the 'overseers?

I really don't know. Fury has to know as Coulson references him all the time.


I think they are dropping enough hints of life model decoy. been thinking that for a bit and also the slight reference in the avengers. Hopefully we will truley find out soon

It is building steam and will likely come to a head this season some time. Maybe they'll do a mid-season small cliff hanger dealing with it.

mckaychick
November 15th, 2013, 08:05 AM
I always thought that starks lmd line in the avengers was odd that was never mentioned or anything again but have always kept it in back of my mind

garhkal
November 16th, 2013, 09:54 PM
I always thought that starks lmd line in the avengers was odd that was never mentioned or anything again but have always kept it in back of my mind

I have heard several people mention it, but neither of the 2 times i saw the film did i remember hearing it.. When did tony mention LMD's??

mckaychick
November 17th, 2013, 06:42 AM
At the start of the movie when coulson was calling him and he answered hello you have reached the life model decoy of tony stark

garhkal
November 17th, 2013, 10:31 PM
Ahh.. I always thought that was just a comedic line.. Not an actual statement that LMD's exist.

mckaychick
November 21st, 2013, 12:23 PM
Indeed they do and even joss whedon in an interview said most likely most of us fans think he is a lmd but after the well i have another thought but mainly sticking to lmd theory lol

whisperingloon
November 22nd, 2013, 07:29 AM
I believe that the Coulson we are seeing is, indeed, Coulson-prime (as a friend of mine referred to him). And I actually think that the reason he does not remember it is because they did something terrible, something awful, that Coulson would have never approved of. Perhaps dealing with dark people or technology or even "magic." But something he would never approve of. The revelation at the end of Season One could even turn him against SHIELD.

(I imagine that a future season of Agents of SHIELD will be Coulson and his people on the run from SHIELD, playing off the Nick Fury Vs. SHIELD that pops up in comics from time to time. Captain America: The Winter Soldier might actually set some of those themes up for us. Maybe.)

mckaychick
November 23rd, 2013, 04:25 PM
U know something mae said in the wall has me wondering when she used all 3 pieces of the device and when ward questions her later she says she sees it every day... Im starting to wonder there

Amara D'Angeli
November 23rd, 2013, 05:34 PM
I just took that to mean she was very well acquainted with her demons.

mckaychick
November 24th, 2013, 05:57 PM
yeah just how she said shes it everday ive just been wondering this coming up episode tho is a major mae episode so maybe we will find out more

garhkal
November 24th, 2013, 10:22 PM
Ming's acting in this show is a lot less impressive than she was as Wray in SGU.. but i still like her.

mckaychick
November 25th, 2013, 06:36 PM
yeah without a doubt brett dalton is a pleasesant surprise too as ward

Spimman
November 25th, 2013, 08:44 PM
Ming's acting in this show is a lot less impressive than she was as Wray in SGU.. but i still like her.

I think they are doing to right thing in slowly showing us some warmth beneath her often cold/quiet exterior. While it is hard to make an instant connection with a quieter character, I think she is doing a great job and I look forward to an episode that gives us more of her backstory.

Also, I never liked her as Wray.

Gollumpus
November 26th, 2013, 01:16 PM
I'm thinking more of an argument could be developed that May is a LMD. She has exhibited some of the physical attributes which these devices are supposed to possess... or, it could just be really good training and lots of experience.

regards,
G.

mckaychick
November 26th, 2013, 03:23 PM
Well tonight will be inteeresting but what they are saying about the mid season finale in 2 weeks boy sounds like bombshells and secrets coming full out

Trig
December 2nd, 2013, 04:57 AM
Ming's acting in this show is a lot less impressive than she was as Wray in SGU.. but i still like her.

Really, I prefer her in this tbh, never really felt Camile was a good fit.

garhkal
December 5th, 2013, 01:03 PM
Maybe its cause we got some damn good interactions with Wray over the 2 seasons, especially that ep with her and Greer trapped due to that Naquadriah bomb hitting the pentagon.

Trig
December 6th, 2013, 12:48 AM
Yeah but that was about it, she never really stood out as a main character imho..

Spimman
December 6th, 2013, 04:31 AM
Official synopsis for the 2 part mid-season finale, not really spoiler but I tagged it just in case.

ABC and Marvel Entertainment have revealed details for "The Bridge," the 10th episode of "Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D." which will be the first half of the show's first two-part episode and will also feature the return of J. August Richard's Mike Peterson.

"In a shocking cliffhanger episode," the official synopsis reads, "Coulson takes the war back to Centipede, and this time he brings in Mike Peterson for some super-soldier support. As they get closer to the truth, startling secrets are revealed and an unexpected twist threatens the team."

I wonder if that is a reference to things about Coulson?

Trig
December 18th, 2013, 08:02 AM
Any more thoughts on this yet?

Spimman
January 20th, 2014, 05:01 AM
So I guess in the end they just used a lot of technology to keep him alive and it was so much like torture that they implanted fake memories in his head so he wouldn't remember it? A little anticlimactic.

Amara D'Angeli
January 20th, 2014, 05:25 AM
I felt like it was a bit of a let down, too. After all that build up one would have expected something much more sinister than "we brought you back to life after you died and it totally sucked so we gave you memories of paradise". Aside from the massive mind f***, that seems pretty benign...

Trig
January 21st, 2014, 04:54 AM
Aye pretty weak tbh, I get the feeling that the story isnt over yet though..

mckaychick
January 21st, 2014, 08:19 AM
Yeah also agree that i dont think this is the whole story and well find out more coming up.