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GateWorld
November 7th, 2013, 11:42 PM
<DIV ALIGN="center"><TABLE WIDTH="450" BORDER="0" CELLSPACING="0" CELLPADDING="7"><TR><TD STYLE="border: none;"><DIV ALIGN="left"><FONT FACE="Verdana, Arial, san-serif" SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000"><A HREF="http://www.scifistream.com/sleepy-hollow/s1/necromancer/"><IMG SRC="http://www.scifistream.com/wp-content/uploads/necromancer-160x120.jpg" WIDTH="160" HEIGHT="120" ALIGN="right" HSPACE="10" VSPACE="2" BORDER="0" STYLE="border: 1px black solid;" ALT="Visit the Episode Guide"></A><FONT SIZE="1" COLOR="#888888">SLEEPY HOLLOW - SEASON ONE</FONT>
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<FONT SIZE="1">EPISODE NUMBER - 108</FONT>
<DIV STYLE="margin-top:10px; padding:0;">With a rare opportunity to interrogate their enemy, Ichabod and Abby turn to Andy Brooks for help. Meanwhile, Captain Irving and Jenny Mills are the only ones standing in the way of those who seek to free the Horseman.</DIV>
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starg8fans
November 18th, 2013, 11:11 PM
As it is so often the case - when you're really excited about an episode it may disappoint.

I was not happy at all with the reveals in this episode. So the whole Sleepy Hollow mythology comes down to matters of the heart? Meh. And there were two things in this episode that I found extremely hard to swallow.
a) Ichabod is way too smart to hit somebody with such a reveal while they're alone together on a secret mission.
And b) the four horsemen have been around forever, so how come Death was only created duriing the Revolutionary War? And even if Death is only using Abraham as a meat suit, how could the vessel be able to make decisions like disobeying Molochs orders and going after his own revenge?

Unless... there's more to Katrina than meets the eye. Maybe she's some ancient goddess or something who's hiding among mortals (sort of like Gabriel did on Supernatural), and Death has a history with her and wants to bring her back into the fold. It would make sense then that he chooses her jilted human lover to carry out his mission. I sure hope TPTB have something like this up their sleeve. The writing so far has been fantastic, and I would hate for them to slack off now.

Still, there were bits to this episode I loved. The fist bump scene was hilarious. Irving and Jenny working together are a sight to behold. The reveal that Andy was used to smuggle the artifact into the cell was a stroke of genius I did not see coming - and I wonder just how sincere his claim is that he wants to protect Abbie. Yes, he warned them that it was dangerous to put him into a cell with the Horseman, but he held back vital information about the why. I also loved Ichabod's mocking tone when interrogating the horseman, as well as seeing him lose control for once.

Morgania
November 19th, 2013, 10:15 AM
How the heck is Abraham the Horseman? He's around the same age (including resurrection) as Ichabod. The Hessians picked him 'cause he wanted revenge?


And that was totally the guy from the original story.

hedwig
November 19th, 2013, 10:39 AM
Good episode. We find out more about the Headless Horseman, including who he was.

The actor playing Abraham Van Brunt played the wraith in SGA's "Vegas" episode, and was in the episode "Prototype" on SG1. Looks like the writers are doing more rearranging in the series, since in "The Legend of Sleepy Hollow", Katrina was engaged to and married Bram Van (Von?) Brunt. I did feel sorry for Abraham in the flashback; not so sure I can find myself feeling sympathy for him in the present.

I was glad to see Jenny again. She's spent years living in the shadow of what she and Abbie saw as children. She's finally seeing some of the reality, and it showed on her face with how shocked she was. Love seeing her and Captain Irving working together, and that she figured out what was going at the power station.

As to the Horseman having the piece of jewelry Abraham gave Katrina, she must have given it back to him when she broke the engagement, and he had it the day he and Crane were going off on their mission. His jealousy is what got him killed and turned into the Horseman. I have to wonder if Crane managed to finish the mission in spite of what happened.

Felt very badly for Andy even if he could have told them what he had that was going to get the Horseman released.

Was fascinated by the fact that the creatures got blown to dust when they got shot.

My favorite bit in the whole episode was when Crane was going to lead them through the caves/tunnels and hurried off to the left, then apologized and said "this way", and led them back to the middle one and hurried off down the corridor. Not hysterically funny, but I like the moments like this when there's humor involved. (Reminded me of Jack O'Neill in a few SG1 episodes.)

starg8fans
November 19th, 2013, 01:02 PM
snip>My favorite bit in the whole episode was when Crane was going to lead them through the caves/tunnels and hurried off to the left, then apologized and said "this way", and led them back to the middle one and hurried off down the corridor. Not hysterically funny, but I like the moments like this when there's humor involved. (Reminded me of Jack O'Neill in a few SG1 episodes.)

I noticed that bit too, and I've been thinking that this was probably not scripted. Either Tom Mison took a wrong turn, and corrected in in character, or he put it in as a bit of a gag, Either way, it seemed pretty spontaneous to me.

hedwig
November 19th, 2013, 01:29 PM
I noticed that bit too, and I've been thinking that this was probably not scripted. Either Tom Mison took a wrong turn, and corrected in in character, or he put it in as a bit of a gag, Either way, it seemed pretty spontaneous to me.

I can imagine that the actors do ad lib a bit and the ad libs get left in the episodes. :)

VampyreWraith
November 19th, 2013, 02:01 PM
I enjoyed the episode. Loved Captain Irving, loved seeing him and Jenny work together. I really liked Andy, I felt bad for him. The creatures looked pretty cool. Not sure how I feel about the Horseman being the guy Katrina dumped for Ichabod yet. It's interesting that the horseman was once Abraham, Ichabod's friend, but I wish that the Horseman's hatred of Ichabod, and his need for revenge wasn't over Katrina.

One of my favorite parts was when Abbie was talking to Irving about getting Jenny to help:

Captain Irving: A dead guy, a mental patient, and a time traveler from the Revolution.

Abbie: Yep, that's our team.

Baron Of Hell
November 19th, 2013, 02:13 PM
I hope they explain the horseman and ex thing. Why did they need that particular man to be the horseman. How are they controlling the horseman.

Morgania
November 19th, 2013, 02:17 PM
Was there a Horseman of Death before that?

fems
November 19th, 2013, 02:18 PM
I enjoyed the episode as well, although I did see the whole Andy thing coming. It was so obvious, especially with everyone placing so much emphasis on no one entering the room and Andy constantly telling them it's a bad idea to take him to the horseman.

Also, I would have expected Abbie to at least think of putting those UV lights on a generator, just in case something were to happen. After all, they were more or less planning to keep him trapped for as long as possible/until they found a way to truly get rid of him, right? Then again, I'm surprised they even had electricity in those tunnels and had sort of assumed they used a generator until the power grid was mentioned in this episode. One thing I didn't get was why they let him go so 'easily': even if they couldn't kill Death and had to keep him trapped, couldn't they have chopped off his hands and feet? That would make it a lot harder for him to follow and attempt to kill them... but maybe that's me being cynical, because obviously they need him as a plot device.

Like some others have mentioned, I'm confused as to how they suddenly made Abraham the horseman. Wasn't somebody else already Death when they came across him? That scene in itself was nice, though. However, I couldn't help but notice he had miraculously gained a tattoo at the back of his head too! :P Unless it's not an actual tattoo but some kind of birthmark (which wasn't visible until they shaved his head) and they targeted him [to become Death] because of it? After all, they had everything at hand and decided to make him Death pretty quickly upon finding him...

I'm also not sure how I feel about the love triangle angle this episode has brought forth. The idea of Death simply being Death (and most likely a demon, rather than a former human like Andy) and well, uh, bringing death wherever he goes with the extra mission of killing the Witnesses was more appealing to me than him being a scorned ex/former BFF... I hope this twist isn't going to turn this show into a soap opera. So many shows these days feel the need to insert too much romance when it isn't necessary and then slowly but surely it will detract from the actual premise of the show... :(

Jenny working with Irving was nice and the actors had nice chemistry between them as well. It also looked like Irving had some kind of special training (former military perhaps?) with the way he easily took out those guys at the power plant (?). I'm still not fond of Jenny though, the actress is always scowling or looking plain evil/angry with how she exaggerates her eyebrow movements (at least I hope that's not her normal facial expression) and the character is just a bit too accomplished. Not only does she know everything about these artifacts and traveled the world despite being in foster care/jail/psych ward for most of her life, but she can also identify an ancient script (or whatever it was) at first glance with no schooling and use just about any kind of weapon or martial arts.

mr_kennedy
November 19th, 2013, 03:02 PM
Great episode

I liked the Shadowey Henchmen, that whole scene was awesome

I feel sorry for John Cho's character, at first i thought he was like in a cult worshipping Moloch the way he just seem to go on with everything, what has changed? is he becoming more human again? moloch losing control? what would happen then is he gonna die die? lol

min min light
November 19th, 2013, 09:50 PM
I don't think Andy had the option of telling Abbie it was a trap, or any other specific information that would help her out. He doesn't seem to have free will.


I can imagine that the actors do ad lib a bit and the ad libs get left in the episodes. :)

Tom Mison said in an interview that he pretty much never adlibs. Something about respecting the writers and it's not his job to edit them or second-guess them (paraphrasing).

starg8fans
November 20th, 2013, 12:59 AM
Excellent discussion for this episode!


I enjoyed the episode as well, although I did see the whole Andy thing coming. It was so obvious, especially with everyone placing so much emphasis on no one entering the room and Andy constantly telling them it's a bad idea to take him to the horseman.

Kudos to you. It took me completely by surprise.


I feel sorry for John Cho's character, at first i thought he was like in a cult worshipping Moloch the way he just seem to go on with everything, what has changed? is he becoming more human again? moloch losing control? what would happen then is he gonna die die? lol


I don't think Andy had the option of telling Abbie it was a trap, or any other specific information that would help her out. He doesn't seem to have free will.

Maybe Andy found out more about Moloch after he died, so now he regrets becoming one of his minions. He also can't be enjoying his dead existance (now there's an oxymoron) much. What was up with his hand anyway? Is he starting to rot away? Somehow Andy does seem sincere, I guess he told them all he could about how dangerous it was to put him in that cell. But he could have just been manipulating Abbie too.


Also, I would have expected Abbie to at least think of putting those UV lights on a generator, just in case something were to happen. After all, they were more or less planning to keep him trapped for as long as possible/until they found a way to truly get rid of him, right? Then again, I'm surprised they even had electricity in those tunnels and had sort of assumed they used a generator until the power grid was mentioned in this episode. One thing I didn't get was why they let him go so 'easily': even if they couldn't kill Death and had to keep him trapped, couldn't they have chopped off his hands and feet? That would make it a lot harder for him to follow and attempt to kill them... but maybe that's me being cynical, because obviously they need him as a plot device.

Very good points. But the plot still needs the horseman as their main nemesis, so I'll cut them some slack on these decisions. I would explain the point about the electricity that they only had time to run an extension cord from the closest socket to the cell. Getting a generator down there might have taken too long.


Like some others have mentioned, I'm confused as to how they suddenly made Abraham the horseman. Wasn't somebody else already Death when they came across him? That scene in itself was nice, though. However, I couldn't help but notice he had miraculously gained a tattoo at the back of his head too! :P Unless it's not an actual tattoo but some kind of birthmark (which wasn't visible until they shaved his head) and they targeted him [to become Death] because of it? After all, they had everything at hand and decided to make him Death pretty quickly upon finding him...


I enjoyed the episode. Loved Captain Irving, loved seeing him and Jenny work together. I really liked Andy, I felt bad for him. The creatures looked pretty cool. Not sure how I feel about the Horseman being the guy Katrina dumped for Ichabod yet. It's interesting that the horseman was once Abraham, Ichabod's friend, but I wish that the Horseman's hatred of Ichabod, and his need for revenge wasn't over Katrina.


I hope they explain the horseman and ex thing. Why did they need that particular man to be the horseman. How are they controlling the horseman.


Was there a Horseman of Death before that?

My point exactly. The four horsemen of the Apocalypse have been around since at least biblical times. I wonder if they have to take human form to ride on Earth? But then it would be Death's spirit inside Abraham in this case, and his wish for revenge against Ichabod wouldn't be an issue. Unless it's Death's mission to kill the two witnesses to make way for the Apocalypse. But he doesn't seem to be as interested in Abbie. I also was not happy either to see Abraham's character introduced only in the episode where we find out he's the horseman. That makes it sound more like a rabbit-from-the-hat kind of trick rather than something that's been planned.


I'm also not sure how I feel about the love triangle angle this episode has brought forth. The idea of Death simply being Death (and most likely a demon, rather than a former human like Andy) and well, uh, bringing death wherever he goes with the extra mission of killing the Witnesses was more appealing to me than him being a scorned ex/former BFF... I hope this twist isn't going to turn this show into a soap opera. So many shows these days feel the need to insert too much romance when it isn't necessary and then slowly but surely it will detract from the actual premise of the show... :(

I agree that way too often shows suffer from forcing romance into a storyline where it doesn't have any right to be. It also seemed to me that they did a major re-write of Katrina's character. Last time we saw her in a flashback she was a Quaker, who are against luxury and earthly possessions. How could a woman like that be betrothed to somebody as ostentatiously rich as Abraham? It can't have been for political reasons or Katrina would have gone through with the wedding out of loyalty to the cause, I feel.


Jenny working with Irving was nice and the actors had nice chemistry between them as well. It also looked like Irving had some kind of special training (former military perhaps?) with the way he easily took out those guys at the power plant (?). I'm still not fond of Jenny though, the actress is always scowling or looking plain evil/angry with how she exaggerates her eyebrow movements (at least I hope that's not her normal facial expression) and the character is just a bit too accomplished. Not only does she know everything about these artifacts and traveled the world despite being in foster care/jail/psych ward for most of her life, but she can also identify an ancient script (or whatever it was) at first glance with no schooling and use just about any kind of weapon or martial arts.


One of my favorite parts was when Abbie was talking to Irving about getting Jenny to help:

Captain Irving: A dead guy, a mental patient, and a time traveler from the Revolution.

Abbie: Yep, that's our team.

I like Irving and Jenny together. And I loved that quote. Good point about Irving's combat skills too. I remember thinking 'Wow, that looks like more than basic police training'. And it made me realize that we really know next to nothing about Irving. We know that he's divorced and has a child, but nothing about his former career. He could very well be ex-military or even special ops, though. That would explain why he's so guared and unscrutable.


I can imagine that the actors do ad lib a bit and the ad libs get left in the episodes. :)


Tom Mison said in an interview that he pretty much never adlibs. Something about respecting the writers and it's not his job to edit them or second-guess them (paraphrasing).

I guess it may have been a legitimate mistake then - Tom Mison walking off the wrong exit from the set. Or it could have been a little joke he played when he thought the scene was over. But since he stayed in character as he did it, they kept it in for a laugh.

min min light
November 20th, 2013, 02:31 AM
I could imagine him fluffing something and they keep it in because it works. I can also buy that he's just so good that he can make it look spontaneous and real-life, even though he is in fact acting.

m&mnm317
November 20th, 2013, 04:44 AM
I could imagine him fluffing something and they keep it in because it works. I can also buy that he's just so good that he can make it look spontaneous and real-life, even though he is in fact acting.

I'm curious... Why isn't anyone sure that it was a part of the script? :confused:

min min light
November 20th, 2013, 05:22 AM
Sorry if I was confusing there - I'm assuming that it was in the script until otherwise informed. :)

m&mnm317
November 20th, 2013, 05:50 AM
Sorry if I was confusing there - I'm assuming that it was in the script until otherwise informed. :)

Well, it's just that most are thinking that it wasn't.. Or is that just my interpretation of the comments?

Either way, it was a brilliant part of the episode. I love subtle humor like that; it always makes me laugh :) I'll give my review of the ep later; I'm about to get off work and then go home and go to bed :D

mandogater
November 20th, 2013, 04:00 PM
This was an interesting episode. Like at least one other person mentioned, I'm not sure about the love triangle plot.

I still can't belieave Abraham would sell his soul to get revenge on Crane. I want to know how that works. Does Moloch get ride of his Horsemen if they fail him too often and then recruit a new bunch?

min min light
November 20th, 2013, 04:31 PM
Well, it's just that most are thinking that it wasn't.. Or is that just my interpretation of the comments? :D

No you're right - I've seen people wonder if it was a goof they left in. And what I was saying is that he's good enough to make something look so natural that you would wonder if it was a real moment they left in. (Like the amount of subtlety in that donut-hole moment. It was just one second of screen time but you could totally buy that these donut holes were the best things ever.)

But I do not assume it was a goof.

Morgania
November 20th, 2013, 04:38 PM
"Now hiring- riders to bring about the End of Days. Requirements- one soul, good with weapons. Expert horseman a must. Desire for revenge a bonus. Applicants should bring own horse, please contact Hessian minions about colours."

Looney
November 20th, 2013, 06:52 PM
I actually somewhat enjoyed last week's episode. Too bad it led to this week's episode.

- We've taken all these precautions to keep the Horseman trapped because he is a key to bringing about the end of the world, but we forgot a portable generator to create the electricity needed to power the device keeping him trapped even though we remembered candles that will help keep him trapped.

- I actually liked the idea of Jenny and Irving working together until they started talking. Their dialogue and interaction just did not work well. I like the concept, but it has to be written better.

- I liked that Andy said it was a mistake. I didn't like that Ichabod and Abbie went ahead and made the mistake after being warned. You are going to be predictable, then you're going to tell us that we're right in what we're predicting, and then you're going to go ahead and do it anyway?!

- First the Horseman is tied to Ichabod because their blood mixed. Now he's tied to Ichabod because Ichabod stole his girlfriend. SERIOUSLY!

- And what is with all the "I" and "A" names? :confused: :rolleyes: :D

- And as just about everyone has stated, the misdirection was the best part of the episode.

Sorry, I don't see why people like this show. Just about every week I've been disappointed with the writing and the overall arc. Yeah there have been some good moments, like the misdirection, but that does not make for a good story. I don't even see where they can go with this concept? It seems like they are just treading water. At least if they had managed to keep the Horseman captive it could have become a demon-of-the-week show where they try to stop those who show up to try to free him, but predictably they couldn't even manage that. Eventually the Horseman has to disappear again and they'll go back to fighting evil minions until the Horseman reappears and so on and so on. Anyway, I may stick with it until the end of the season, but after this episode it is going to be tough.

min min light
November 20th, 2013, 06:55 PM
Sorry, I don't see why people like this show.

Two words: Tom Mison.

starg8fans
November 20th, 2013, 08:33 PM
I'm curious... Why isn't anyone sure that it was a part of the script? :confused:


Sorry if I was confusing there - I'm assuming that it was in the script until otherwise informed. :)

It just seemed like such a silly little thing that Ichabod, who has been confidently navigating those tunnels so far, would forget where the exit is in a rather small room. I have to watch the scene again to see if the reaction/expression of the other actors gives anything away. I know it's not important, but it's kind of a game I play on Spn, spotting Jensen Ackles' ad libs. My track record there is pretty good so far.


This was an interesting episode. Like at least one other person mentioned, I'm not sure about the love triangle plot.

I still can't belieave Abraham would sell his soul to get revenge on Crane. I want to know how that works. Does Moloch get ride of his Horsemen if they fail him too often and then recruit a new bunch?

Again, drawing from Supernatural here, I assume the Horsemen need meat suits or 'vessels' when they appear on Earth.


"Now hiring- riders to bring about the End of Days. Requirements- one soul, good with weapons. Expert horseman a must. Desire for revenge a bonus. Applicants should bring own horse, please contact Hessian minions about colours."

ROFL, that's brilliant!


I actually somewhat enjoyed last week's episode. Too bad it led to this week's episode.

- We've taken all these precautions to keep the Horseman trapped because he is a key to bringing about the end of the world, but we forgot a portable generator to create the electricity needed to power the device keeping him trapped even though we remembered candles that will help keep him trapped.

- I actually liked the idea of Jenny and Irving working together until they started talking. Their dialogue and interaction just did not work well. I like the concept, but it has to be written better.

- I liked that Andy said it was a mistake. I didn't like that Ichabod and Abbie went ahead and made the mistake after being warned. You are going to be predictable, then you're going to tell us that we're right in what we're predicting, and then you're going to go ahead and do it anyway?!

- First the Horseman is tied to Ichabod because their blood mixed. Now he's tied to Ichabod because Ichabod stole his girlfriend. SERIOUSLY!

- And what is with all the "I" and "A" names? :confused: :rolleyes: :D

- And as just about everyone has stated, the misdirection was the best part of the episode.

Sorry, I don't see why people like this show. Just about every week I've been disappointed with the writing and the overall arc. Yeah there have been some good moments, like the misdirection, but that does not make for a good story. I don't even see where they can go with this concept? It seems like they are just treading water. At least if they had managed to keep the Horseman captive it could have become a demon-of-the-week show where they try to stop those who show up to try to free him, but predictably they couldn't even manage that. Eventually the Horseman has to disappear again and they'll go back to fighting evil minions until the Horseman reappears and so on and so on. Anyway, I may stick with it until the end of the season, but after this episode it is going to be tough.

Yes, those are all valid points (I only put them under the cut for length) but unlike you I usually enjoy the show so I'm willing to accept them if they help to keep the story going - which I think required Headless to escape. Capturing him has given us two things: the reason why the fight metween him and Ichabod is so personal (even though it may be a bit far fetched) and a new purpose, namely finding Katrina and getting her out of purgatory. This has not been a real issue so far, but it should make for some interesting developments.

Too bad you are disappointed by the show. Personally, I love the humor, the tweaks on historical events, and the interaction and chemistry between these diverse characters. Somebody said it's Spn meets Elementary, with a dash of Fringe, and I think that about covers it They're all shows I love.


Two words: Tom Mison.

Yes, and there's that, of course. :p

m&mnm317
November 20th, 2013, 10:28 PM
I actually somewhat enjoyed last week's episode. Too bad it led to this week's episode.

- We've taken all these precautions to keep the Horseman trapped because he is a key to bringing about the end of the world, but we forgot a portable generator to create the electricity needed to power the device keeping him trapped even though we remembered candles that will help keep him trapped.

- I actually liked the idea of Jenny and Irving working together until they started talking. Their dialogue and interaction just did not work well. I like the concept, but it has to be written better.

- I liked that Andy said it was a mistake. I didn't like that Ichabod and Abbie went ahead and made the mistake after being warned. You are going to be predictable, then you're going to tell us that we're right in what we're predicting, and then you're going to go ahead and do it anyway?!

- First the Horseman is tied to Ichabod because their blood mixed. Now he's tied to Ichabod because Ichabod stole his girlfriend. SERIOUSLY!

- And what is with all the "I" and "A" names? :confused: :rolleyes: :D

- And as just about everyone has stated, the misdirection was the best part of the episode.

Sorry, I don't see why people like this show. Just about every week I've been disappointed with the writing and the overall arc. Yeah there have been some good moments, like the misdirection, but that does not make for a good story. I don't even see where they can go with this concept? It seems like they are just treading water. At least if they had managed to keep the Horseman captive it could have become a demon-of-the-week show where they try to stop those who show up to try to free him, but predictably they couldn't even manage that. Eventually the Horseman has to disappear again and they'll go back to fighting evil minions until the Horseman reappears and so on and so on. Anyway, I may stick with it until the end of the season, but after this episode it is going to be tough.

Why do you keep watching it if you hate it so much? I mean, seriously.. If you're so disappointed EVERY SINGLE EPISODE, stop watching otherwise you have no one to blame but yourself for your disappointment.

mandogater
November 21st, 2013, 05:40 PM
"Now hiring- riders to bring about the End of Days. Requirements- one soul, good with weapons. Expert horseman a must. Desire for revenge a bonus. Applicants should bring own horse, please contact Hessian minions about colours."

I can see this in the Supernatural Want Ads. :lol:


Again, drawing from Supernatural here, I assume the Horsemen need meat suits or 'vessels' when they appear on Earth.

Interesting way to look at it. I'll keep that in mind.

Morgania
November 21st, 2013, 07:15 PM
I can see this in the Supernatural Want Ads. :lol:


That would be hilarious! Somebody should write a story.

mandogater
November 22nd, 2013, 04:06 PM
That would be hilarious! Somebody should write a story.

I'd give it a crack if I had the time. Lately, I'm lucky if I have enough time to play here for an hour.

Morgania
November 22nd, 2013, 08:20 PM
One of you nice fiction writers, that could be my Solstice present. ;)

Looney
November 22nd, 2013, 09:51 PM
Why do you keep watching it if you hate it so much? I mean, seriously.. If you're so disappointed EVERY SINGLE EPISODE, stop watching otherwise you have no one to blame but yourself for your disappointment.

I know it is like I can't help myself. :rolleyes: It is either that I keep hoping it will get better or I am trying to figure what other people see in this show. I can't explain it, but I do think I am close to giving up on it; especially now that Almost Human has started and it seems pretty good. :D

m&mnm317
November 24th, 2013, 10:07 PM
I know it is like I can't help myself. :rolleyes: It is either that I keep hoping it will get better or I am trying to figure what other people see in this show. I can't explain it, but I do think I am close to giving up on it; especially now that Almost Human has started and it seems pretty good. :D

I haven't seen that show yet but I've been meaning to :)