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GateWorld
November 7th, 2013, 11:41 PM
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<FONT SIZE="1">EPISODE NUMBER - 107</FONT>
<DIV STYLE="margin-top:10px; padding:0;">When the Horseman returns to Sleepy Hollow, Abby and Crane decide to destroy his head in an attempt to stop him — but must decode an ancient secret to learn how. Meanwhile, Andy Brooks pays Abby a surprise visit.</DIV>
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Baron Of Hell
November 11th, 2013, 10:25 PM
I liked this episode, it had many fun moments like paying for water and the problems with the laptop.

Easy to see they would never be able to kill death. If you kill death then something crazy might happen like people not being able to die. See how badly that went on Torchwood.

Abbie got real close to that head. Thought she might make out with it for a moment. That's a head Abbie don't kiss it.

So now the boss knows the truth. What of what will he do. How long will he be able to lie to the higher ups. Being boss is hard sometimes.

Dead cop comes back to help. Yeah right, help himself maybe. He probably wants Abbie to be his forever lover. We can see straight through you dead cop guy.

Morgania
November 11th, 2013, 10:59 PM
Andy was hitting on Abbie, you think? Thought I saw that too. Too bad about the Masons.
I thought they were going to be help out.

m&mnm317
November 11th, 2013, 11:07 PM
So.. I loved the ending scene! It was greatyly done and shot by the cast and crew.

Ichabod with the laptop and the woman - :lol: "Well that is wildly inappropriate"; loved it.

"This was free." "So was the arsenic that comes with it." You tell him Abbie!

Sometimes I do wonder how Abbie can be so insensitive to the fact that Crane has no one and is still in love with his wife whom he can't see or touch unless he's half dead. I mean, she constantly throws that in his face and it's gotta hurt him on some level.

Overall, though, I liked the ep. And I'm glad that they added another team member - meaning Orlando Jones.

starg8fans
November 12th, 2013, 03:12 AM
I think that was one of my favorite episodes so far. Perfect balance of action, suspense, nice character moments, humor and history I love how they weave the latter into the show's mythology. And of course the scenes with Crane grappling with modern-day concepts like computers, bottled water or insights on Jefferson were a real treat. Kudos to Tom Mison for delivering those lines in such an understated way they never slide into full-on comedy. That would cheapen the character.

The ending really surprised me, although I'm pretty sure Death as their prisoner won't last long. As Baron of Hell said, he has a role to play and you can't keep him shackled without massive consequences.

I also agree with m&mnm about Abbie. She should be a bit more sensitive to Crane's emotional state of mind about Katrina. I guess she's just not used to dealing with such a self-controled person, and thinks his calm exterior means he's more or less devoid of emotion. At least we've seen a first crack in Ichabod's armor, when he lost his temper and threw the Freemasons' book across the room. And judging form the promo for next week, we will get more of that.

min min light
November 12th, 2013, 03:34 AM
See how badly that went on Torchwood. First thing I thought of too. :D



I also agree with m&mnm about Abbie. She should be a bit more sensitive to Crane's emotional state of mind about Katrina.

They haven't even bothered to show Crane being emotional about her except as a gag. For better or for worse, they are totally pandering to their fanbase.

starg8fans
November 12th, 2013, 04:14 AM
They haven't even bothered to show Crane being emotional about her except as a gag. For better or for worse, they are totally pandering to their fanbase.

Well, Ichabod is not somebody to carry his heart on his sleeve, but I think they've made his attachment to Katrina quite clear, e.g. when he visits her grave or when they're together in purgatory. I also thought his cutting remark to Abbie when she said it was too bad they couldn't summon Katrina ("Yes, the thought had crossed my mind, thank you. Though not as a means to defeat our present enemy.") is a clear indication that he misses his wife and wants her back.

min min light
November 12th, 2013, 05:03 AM
I'm not objecting to it, I'm just saying we haven't seen much evidence of it.

m&mnm317
November 12th, 2013, 05:24 AM
I'm not objecting to it, I'm just saying we haven't seen much evidence of it.

That's true, we haven't, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist..

Maybe star and I are looking for it because we're whumpers and Crane missing his wife and feeling her loss is a form of whump?

starg8fans
November 12th, 2013, 05:44 AM
I'm not objecting to it, I'm just saying we haven't seen much evidence of it.


That's true, we haven't, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist..

Maybe star and I are looking for it because we're whumpers and Crane missing his wife and feeling her loss is a form of whump?

I think you're on to something with the emo whump angle. I thought what I wrote in my post was evidence enough that Crane still has feelings for Katrina, but everybody sees these things differently.

min min light
November 12th, 2013, 05:52 AM
Well if they kill her off that'll probably serve your purposes right? (I hope?) (I am so sorry, I did not mean to be a killjoy here.)

m&mnm317
November 12th, 2013, 06:19 AM
Star - I agree with your evidence. But, I think that we think it's so obvious because we're looking for it. You know?

Min Min - i'm not quite sure what you mean by server purpose can you explain?

VampyreWraith
November 12th, 2013, 06:39 AM
I really enjoyed the episode; it was fun.

I loved Ichabod trying to use the laptop, that was really funny. Loved Abbie dragging Ichabod away from that tour and saying something like "my cousin Steve(?) forgot to take his medication". I also found the water thing and talk about Jefferson amusing.

I really like Captain Irving and enjoyed seeing him work with Abbie and Ichabod.

I love Abbie and Ichabod as friends and partners, and I want it to stay that way(I really don't want anything romantic to develop between the two). Anyway, I think that Ichabod still loves Katrina, I personally don't see any evidence that he's ever stopped loving her. Honestly, I don't want(nor need) to watch a bunch of scenes with him constantly brooding or talking about wanting to be with his wife(that would seem out of character for him). He has the horsemen and the apocalypse to worry about, that should be his focus(and the show's focus as well, imo).

starg8fans
November 12th, 2013, 06:58 AM
I'm not objecting to it, I'm just saying we haven't seen much evidence of it.


Well if they kill her off that'll probably serve your purposes right? (I hope?) (I am so sorry, I did not mean to be a killjoy here.)

Sorry, you lost me completely. I thought we were talking about whether or not they were showing Ichabod's emotional attachment to Katrina on the show or not, and I thought they did. What does that have to do with killing her off?

m&mnm, maybe she misundertstood when you said we might emo whump Ichabod because he feels her loss. But min min, that meant he's distressed that she's not with him, not that we want to see him grieving her death. We're not that cruel. (And emo whump doesn't do much for me to begin with. :p)

starg8fans
November 12th, 2013, 07:00 AM
I really enjoyed the episode; it was fun.

I loved Ichabod trying to use the laptop, that was really funny. Loved Abbie dragging Ichabod away from that tour and saying something like "my cousin Steve(?) forgot to take his medication". I also found the water thing and talk about Jefferson amusing.

I really like Captain Irving and enjoyed seeing him work with Abbie and Ichabod.

I love Abbie and Ichabod as friends and partners, and I want it to stay that way(I really don't want anything romantic to develop between the two). Anyway, I think that Ichabod still loves Katrina, I personally don't see any evidence that he's ever stopped loving her. Honestly, I don't want(nor need) to watch a bunch of scenes with him constantly brooding or talking about wanting to be with his wife(that would seem out of character for him). He has the horsemen and the apocalypse to worry about, that should be his focus(and the show's focus as well, imo).

Admirably put, I agree completely!

Another great bit that I forgot to mention was when they were trying to destroy the horseman's head...

m&mnm317
November 12th, 2013, 07:09 AM
Star - I'm not an emotional whump fan either; I prefer physical.

Vampyre - I agree that I don't want to see him constantly brooding. It would be OOC for Ichabod and that wasn't at all what I was meaning.

Okay, I this whole Katrina/Ichabod/Insensitive-Abbie thing has passed through too many people and is being misconstrued, lol.

VampyreWraith
November 12th, 2013, 07:40 AM
Admirably put, I agree completely!

Another great bit that I forgot to mention was when they were trying to destroy the horseman's head...

Lol, yes, that was great/funny, and then Abbie suggested that they could take it over to the junk yard(or something) and put it in a compactor.


Star - I'm not an emotional whump fan either; I prefer physical.

Vampyre - I agree that I don't want to see him constantly brooding. It would be OOC for Ichabod and that wasn't at all what I was meaning.

Okay, I this whole Katrina/Ichabod/Insensitive-Abbie thing has passed through too many people and is being misconstrued, lol.

I didn't think that you meant that you wanted to see him constantly brooding. :) I was just saying that I really wouldn't want/need to see that, and that just because he's not shown constantly brooding, it doesn't mean that he loves Katrina any less.

m&mnm317
November 12th, 2013, 07:49 AM
Oh! Okay! :) Misunderstood, sorry.

starg8fans
November 12th, 2013, 08:30 AM
Lol, yes, that was great/funny, and then Abbie suggested that they could take it over to the junk yard(or something) and put it in a compactor.

Actually, I was rather miffed they didn't show that part. I was looking forward to seeing that thing turn itself into a pretzel trying to squash the skull.

Booklover
November 12th, 2013, 04:38 PM
A great episode! I think this is my favorite one so far. The mixture of humor and anger was just right.

Loved how Ichabod just couldn't help himself and cut in on the teachers talk about Paul Revere and corrected him. But then again, Ichabod was a teacher himself.

Watching Ichabod and Abby trying to destroy the skull was terrific. Just seeing the frustrated look on their faces was so funny. And then Ichabod teasing Abby by continuing to suck on the straw was cool.

I like how Tom doesn't go overboard on the humor -- it's somewhat sly at times and a little bewildered at others.

Looking forward to next week and the face-off with death.

hedwig
November 12th, 2013, 05:03 PM
In regard to Ichabod's feelings for Katrina, we have to remember that for him it's only been about a month since the last time he saw her - not 250 years. He was asleep for all those years and on waking up he undoubtedly thought he was in the same time as he was when he "died". So it isn't surprising that he'd still have strong feelings for his wife, and he's not likely to become attracted to another woman for a long time. As he told the computer girl, he is "still espoused" to his wife (as far as he's concerned anyway).

hedwig
November 12th, 2013, 05:04 PM
I loved all the ways they tried to destroy the skull ... with none of those ways working.

I loved the way they trapped death.

And Captain Irving said he wouldn't believe any of this unless he saw it with his own eyes. Well, now he has. Big Time. Can't dismiss it now.

Spimman
November 12th, 2013, 05:27 PM
Talk about a Hard Headed enemy! :lol:

"Hey sexy, wanna chat?"

"I'm still here"

:lol: his reactions!

min min light
November 12th, 2013, 05:43 PM
Min Min - i'm not quite sure what you mean by server purpose can you explain?

I mean, serve your purposes, but I was wrong:


m&mnm, maybe she misundertstood when you said we might emo whump Ichabod because he feels her loss. But min min, that meant he's distressed that she's not with him, not that we want to see him grieving her death. We're not that cruel. (And emo whump doesn't do much for me to begin with. :p)

I'm sorry, I didn't understand, I didn't mean to upset anyone!

m&mnm317
November 12th, 2013, 06:20 PM
We aren't upset - just confused :)

mandogater
November 12th, 2013, 06:31 PM
So.. I loved the ending scene! It was greatyly done and shot by the cast and crew.

Ichabod with the laptop and the woman - :lol: "Well that is wildly inappropriate"; loved it.

"This was free." "So was the arsenic that comes with it." You tell him Abbie!

Sometimes I do wonder how Abbie can be so insensitive to the fact that Crane has no one and is still in love with his wife whom he can't see or touch unless he's half dead. I mean, she constantly throws that in his face and it's gotta hurt him on some level.

Overall, though, I liked the ep. And I'm glad that they added another team member - meaning Orlando Jones.

Loved the bits about paying for water, everything at the museum and the bit with the chat site!!!

IMHO, Abbie is a bit cold when she mentioned Katrina. She should try to be a bit more sensative. That's his wife for crying out loud!

I like that the Captain is in on things now. Although it now throws a theory I had about him out the window. I was starting to think he was a decendent of Cicero and knew all about the Four Horsemen and Crane's part in fighting them back in the day.

Looney
November 12th, 2013, 09:26 PM
Probably my favorite episode to date, but I still don't really like the show too much. Love the culture shock stuff. Love that Orlando Jones is finally in on it. And I think I might be in love with Nicole Beharie, but she is just way too beautiful. I mean it like hurts to look at her. :valaanime06:

And love min min light's new avatar! :D

m&mnm317
November 12th, 2013, 10:27 PM
Ooh! I forgot to mention.. I also appreciated Ichabod throwing sarcasm back at Abbie; specifically his remark about how he couldn't imagine what being unfamiliar with something that she didn't understand could feel like.. Made me smile.

min min light
November 13th, 2013, 12:44 AM
Thanks Looney!

I liked that line too. I imagine if we got sent back 200 years we wouldn't last a week without help.

m&mnm317
November 13th, 2013, 01:00 AM
Thanks Looney!

I liked that line too. I imagine if we got sent back 200 years we wouldn't last a week without help.

I think a week is being generous :lol: I probably wouldn't last a day :P

min min light
November 13th, 2013, 01:29 AM
We wouldn't be doing as well as Crane, I'm certain of that. :lol:

m&mnm317
November 13th, 2013, 01:33 AM
We wouldn't be doing as well as Crane, I'm certain of that. :lol:

Most certainly not ;)

Looney
November 13th, 2013, 07:04 AM
I don't even want to think about it. Plumbing, climate control, computers, cars, and every modern convenience gone. On top of that, I would have no skills other than a lack of the social graces and inhibitions of the time. :D I'd last as long as I good convince people to feed me and not hang me as some devil spawn who has strange clothing and is unaware of the ways of their "modern world." I mean in all honesty witchcraft or lunacy would be the choice anyone I came across would have and neither of those labels meant good things in that time period.

This actually goes back to the problem I always bring up about this show, there isn't enough culture shock. Yes this particular episode had plenty, but from the beginning there should have been much more.

starg8fans
November 13th, 2013, 08:17 AM
I'm not objecting to it, I'm just saying we haven't seen much evidence of it.


I don't even want to think about it. Plumbing, climate control, computers, cars, and every modern convenience gone. On top of that, I would have no skills other than a lack of the social graces and inhibitions of the time. :D I'd last as long as I good convince people to feed me and not hang me as some devil spawn who has strange clothing and is unaware of the ways of their "modern world." I mean in all honesty witchcraft or lunacy would be the choice anyone I came across would have and neither of those labels meant good things in that time period.

This actually goes back to the problem I always bring up about this show, there isn't enough culture shock. Yes this particular episode had plenty, but from the beginning there should have been much more.

That's a great scenario you described. I can smell a fic in the making.

As much as I enjoy Crane's close encounters with modern technologies and amenities, I for one am glad they're not making it the center of the show. I like to think a lot of explaining and experiencing has been going on off camera. And I prefer to see Ichabod as a man whose quick wit and broad horizon helps him to fit into a foreign environment while his pride won't allow him to show just how lost he is. Because what else can he do? He knows there's no way back to his time, so he's making the best of a bad situation.

Baron Of Hell
November 13th, 2013, 06:49 PM
Andy was hitting on Abbie, you think? Thought I saw that too. Too bad about the Masons.
I thought they were going to be help out.

I just rewatched this. I don't see how Andy was protecting Abbie by keeping her ex away. I think he was just jealous

min min light
November 13th, 2013, 08:38 PM
I'd last as long as I good convince people to feed me and not hang me as some devil spawn who has strange clothing and is unaware of the ways of their "modern world."

Oh man I didn't even think of that - and that would actually be the trickiest part, not being immediately singled out as a witch or a crazy person.


As much as I enjoy Crane's close encounters with modern technologies and amenities, I for one am glad they're not making it the center of the show. I like to think a lot of explaining [is done off screen].

Same here, it would get on my nerves pretty fast if he was freaking out and/or baffled every couple of minutes.

Morgania
November 13th, 2013, 09:22 PM
I just rewatched this. I don't see how Andy was protecting Abbie by keeping her ex away. I think he was just jealous

I did come across that way. But only in this episode.

mandogater
November 14th, 2013, 05:11 PM
I just rewatched this. I don't see how Andy was protecting Abbie by keeping her ex away. I think he was just jealous

I'm curious about that too. At first I thought Andy was going to try and recruit him for the Dark Side.

m&mnm317
November 14th, 2013, 10:08 PM
I'm curious about that too. At first I thought Andy was going to try and recruit him for the Dark Side.

Me too.

And as far as Andy liking Abbie - I think we've seen evidence of that since the first episode. I mean, he tried to knock her out to keep her out of the whole horseman-Ichabod thing from the start. At least, to me he has.

starg8fans
November 15th, 2013, 03:37 AM
Me too.

And as far as Andy liking Abbie - I think we've seen evidence of that since the first episode. I mean, he tried to knock her out to keep her out of the whole horseman-Ichabod thing from the start. At least, to me he has.

No matter what Andy's motives were to knock out Abbie, i agree that the gentle way he treated her when she was unconscious was a sure indication that he cared for her on some level. Jealousy seems to be the only explanation why Andy would tell Morales to stay away from Abbie, unless her ex has some role to play in the demons' scenario that we are not aware of yet.

mandogater
November 15th, 2013, 05:35 PM
Me too.

And as far as Andy liking Abbie - I think we've seen evidence of that since the first episode. I mean, he tried to knock her out to keep her out of the whole horseman-Ichabod thing from the start. At least, to me he has.

I forgot about that. I'll have to watch him more closely when he pops up again.

Morgania
November 15th, 2013, 09:07 PM
Andy is pulling a Grima Wormtongue?

m&mnm317
November 15th, 2013, 11:21 PM
Boy that's a disturbing thought :lol:

Morgania
November 16th, 2013, 08:25 PM
I wonder if Abby has an inkling of that.

starg8fans
November 17th, 2013, 01:41 AM
FOX release the sound track of Ichabod's voicemail message to Abbie. You can listen to it here: http://soundcloud.com/foxtv/sleepy-hollow-ichabods

Morgania
November 17th, 2013, 11:43 AM
Thanks for that! It seems like he was writing a quick letter as a voicemail.
Does that make sense?

m&mnm317
November 17th, 2013, 10:43 PM
Thanks for that! It seems like he was writing a quick letter as a voicemail.
Does that make sense?

He probably was.. Since he's not used to voicemail, he was probably treating it as though he were writing a letter.

starg8fans
November 18th, 2013, 12:23 AM
I'm not objecting to it, I'm just saying we haven't seen much evidence of it.


Thanks for that! It seems like he was writing a quick letter as a voicemail.
Does that make sense?

Not just a quick but a rather formal one. Of course, in his days this would have passed for normal correspondence. I'm a bit puzzled about the term 'arrow missive', though. Where do you figure he got that from?