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GateWorld
September 23rd, 2013, 02:12 PM
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<FONT SIZE="1">EPISODE NUMBER - 209</FONT>
<DIV STYLE="margin-top:10px; padding:0;">Charlie demonstrates to Rachel how much she has matured. Neville issues Jason an ultimatum, and Rachel's relationship with her father continues to show strain.</DIV>
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mr_kennedy
November 21st, 2013, 06:15 AM
Last one for the year apparently :(

VampyreWraith
November 21st, 2013, 07:29 AM
Yep, next episode is Jan 8th.

So, I really liked the episode. I liked that the nanites decided to take the form of a kid in Aaron's mind. I lol'd when Aaron called him Haley Joel. I'm glad that Aaron sent them away(and that they decided to listen for now). It's a bit messed up(and kind of convenient) of them to leave after they killed the Patriots; and then decide not to bring back Cynthia. I can't decide if they're just confused by Aaron, or if they are acting like spiteful children on purpose(maybe a bit of both, I guess). Cynthia was nice, but I didn't really care much about her, so I don't actually care that she's gone. Was her hair a lot darker in this episode? It might have just been the lighting though.

I liked Neville's part of things. I like that Julia is back and power hungry as ever.

Not really thrilled with the Miles/Rachel flashback. It really looks like they are going with the Miles being Charlie's biological father thing. I'm not really a fan of the Miles and Rachel pairing(I don't hate them together, and I do kind of like how their relationship has been handled so far this season). I don't want Miles to end up being Charlie's father though. I'm still rooting for Ben to be her real dad; or even that there will be another flashback with Rachel deciding to be a witch, and get back at Miles for leaving by sleeping with Monroe(or Monroe could have decided to "comfort" Rachel). Either way, I just don't want Miles to be Charlie's father, even though it looks like he will be right now.

I wonder what will happen with Miles' hand? I'm hoping it doesn't need to be amputated.

I'm looking forward to the show coming back. :)

Perelandra
November 21st, 2013, 07:43 AM
Yeah I thought of that too-what if Miles ends up being Charlie's real father? I hope Miles doesn't end up being Charlie's bio Dad-I'm with you on that one. Also didn't know this was the last episode until January 8-
So Julia didn't stay in Atlanta and wait for Neville like he thought, "till her skin melts off" as Neville told Jason, but left Atlanta and re-married?? hmmmm
Can't see Rachel pairing up with Monroe in any circumstance, though.

VampyreWraith
November 21st, 2013, 07:54 AM
Apparently, there were commercials on other NBC shows saying that this was the fall finale. It would have been nice for that to have been in the promo after last week's ep. It would have also been nice of NBC to announce that the show would return on Jan 8th after this ep. Last night, one the show's writers mentioned on twitter that Revolution would be returning in January though, and then later on NBC updated their Revolution page to say that the next episode would be on Jan 8th.

garhkal
November 21st, 2013, 12:05 PM
Na. That would have meant the studio's gave a S*&^ about us..

tomstone
November 21st, 2013, 07:22 PM
Na. That would have meant the studio's gave a S*&^ about us..
You think? That appears to be the theme lately. :samanime27:

jelgate
November 21st, 2013, 07:57 PM
That's always been the theme. Anyone who thinks its never been about money is deluding themself

linux geek
November 22nd, 2013, 05:55 AM
I'm wondering if the nanites were presented a child as they are still learning.

If Im right in my thinking the next time they communicate they will appear older as they mature.

VampyreWraith
November 22nd, 2013, 11:36 AM
That would be interesting; and even though it might be kind of messed up, maybe they could end up appearing as Cynthia.

ZRFTS
November 22nd, 2013, 04:21 PM
Everyone Says I Love YouExcept me! In all seriousness we've reached the mid-season finale which came earlier than expected but nonetheless it's an episode that promises to be full of revelations, action and progress; at least that's what I got from the NBC promo's, for all we know this could be the usual old Revolution, which it is but it also isn't at the same time. Confused?, let me explain.

Things finally take a turn for Aaron as he reaches that ultimate moment in the series where he finally discovers himself, also known as the turning point. It seems like everything has been building up to that moment and while the episode tries to trick you into thinking that this has some depth by involving the usual mysterious kid who just happens to be there and invoking themes of science fiction and in some cases it works but it all falls flat; I was able to see the trick they were pulling a mile away and the science fiction used is dumbed down so that the casual viewer can understand; we know that the nanites became self aware from the moment that Aaron activated the computer. I get that some people don't but still, we're not dumb. It was nice that we got to see the childlike nature of the nanites and how they followed his commands as if they thought them; gives them a certain moral ambiguity which is nice.

It does provide a platform for Aaron to provide some impressive acting; from every moment you can see his uncertainty and his emotion as he tries to piece together the situation, figure out what's going on. The character of Aaron has always been this uncertain person who's afraid to lead and here, he's full Aaron. The poses, the vocal inflictions, the dialogue and he's making jokes like nobody's business, and even though his delivery may be deadpan, we can care that he tells for people and can feel stuff such as love. It's especially heightened during the later scenes where the stakes are raised, when confronted with death; the true nature of humanity comes out and emotions such as anger and sorrow appear, leading it to be the best Aaron performance of the series. However... That is due to certain logic being sacrificed in order to lead for dramatic effect, I was screaming at my screen for Aaron to think that certain command; especially after the boy told him. Come on, we've seen enough of worried Aaron, give us confident Aaron for once.


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Man down.

The higher stakes is due to the action in the episode which feature our lovable Patriots and is more frequent than ever; you get to see Monroe slashing throats and Miles killing people more than ever and as always it's going to satisfy fans of Revolution, however it's made better because of the fact that they're outnumbered and outgunned which gives them an element of risk and danger unseen in episodes past. It also allows for the gang to get more confrontational as they butt heads over issues such as Monroe's son, the tired Charlie and Rachel relationship, Monroe leaving and then coming back constantly and of course, seminal issues such as Miles sickness which is given some small exploration through the form of flashbacks which explore Rachel and Miles' relationship and the present where some small spark is shown... Things get better when they reach the high school where some people are even cornered; you get drawn into the fact that they're not going to make it, that the bad guys are not going to win. Then they all get set on fire, which sucks since it's such an easy way out but hey, we needed our guys for the remainder of the season so yeah...

Nevil gets a subplot of his own where it seems like his plot is finally coming to fruition; he's heading to the White House, he's heading to kill the president and for a while it seems like something would of happened that would of had him tag teaming with the secretary or him killing stuff as usual but instead we get his wife and at that point I thought it was going to be either him getting revenge or being jealous at her new wife but instead we get... kissing? I understand that this plot is supposed to be about their happy reunion and how they're going to get what they want further on in the season but seriously, there's nothing going on both emotionally and plot wise. Sure they try to trick you by having his wife meet up with her son Jason but that isn't effective enough because it doesn't provide enough emotion, it was nice to get some backstory about his wife and how she survived the nukes but in an episode like this; this plot is very, very inconsequential. It's almost like it was there to explain the setup that was going to happen in the next few episodes.


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Sweet embrace.

Quite seriously I don't know where we're going to go this season. The power of nanites in the beginning is shown well in that everybody was knocked out and they were able to walk into the fort and out of city lines; it definitely shows surprises that will exist in the other half and while it may not be the secret the promos were promoting, it's pretty surprising in itself mainly because we never knew they could do that but there's also a problem in that the nanites could be used as a gimmick because they're too powerful. They did a 180 and stripped him of his powers but I fear that they could come back at any time, that any discovery of what the nanites could do could provide more power which'll make any situation escapable and any dramatic possibilities possibly worthless. Plus there's Spring City, Oklahoma which appear to be the heroes next destination and quite possibly the way to control the nanites is there so I'm guessing Aaron is on his way to turn on the power after all.

So yeah, disapointing but surprisingly an improvement from the previous episode; if they just took out the Nevil plot and if they just streamline it and took down most of the dumbed down stuff then it could of been a classic. As is it's just a really good episode and one that sets up hope for the second half of the season, maybe who knows they'll finally go to new places again!; still, something tells me that this season is going to be a disapointment and not because the first half has been consistently mediocre.7.0/10

Looney
November 24th, 2013, 07:35 PM
I really have mixed feelings about this episode. There was a lot I didn't like about it. I agree totally with all opinions on Rachel+Miles = Charlie being bad.

I really didn't care for the nanites killing the Patriots and then, for the sake of drama, disappearing when it came time to heal Cynthia.

I didn't like that Julia was not only remarried because she "had to to survive", but that she was obviously able to find someone with means to marry "to survive".

I didn't like how predictable it all became as the episode progressed. The power that the nanites were displaying was obviously something the writers could not give Aaron to control or all struggles in this universe would be over. The Patriots and any other foes who came across Aaron would be easily vanquished. With this being known it was obvious that he soon would lose the ability for the sake of continuing the struggle.

Having laid out these complaints I have to admit that I didn't hate the episode. I can't say I really liked it either. I can say that I am not too disappointed about it being the fall finale because I guess I am not really that interested in what is happening.

And oh btw, I am very sad to see Horn go.

As far as speculation goes, my assumption is that the eventual self-awareness of the nanites will have to become the one thing that unites everyone in the world in the common cause of defeating them. The more aware they become the more of a threat they become to the human race and that will have to be the final struggle of the show. Or they'll have to wipe out the nanites and then start the struggle to bring the world back when the nanites are gone. Either way they should become a much bigger threat the more self-aware they become.

garhkal
November 24th, 2013, 11:20 PM
You mean like skynet..

ZRFTS
November 25th, 2013, 08:42 AM
You mean like skynet..

If it becomes like Skynet than it's going to become too familiar to the terminator series which the producers certainly don't want. I'm thinking they're going to go for a god/jesus angle and the nanites will pick someone to be their spokeperson performing miracles because they certainly don't know that there's a god, they certainly don't believe they're god and they need someone to signify their arrival. I don't know who that person is, it could be a totally new created character but whatever the case he's going to be performing miracles like resurrecting the dead and setting people on fire for those who smite him; which'll make this Spring City, Oklahoma destination especially important.

One things for sure, I don't think these nanites have true consciousness seeing as how they're still taking orders; if they'd have the capacity for intelligence then they could represent themselves as either individuals or a single entity but they need someone to be their leader, that's just the way it works.

VampyreWraith
November 25th, 2013, 05:02 PM
They haven't been awake/alive for long, and they see Aaron as their creator(because he woke them up); that's why they're listening to what he wants(or what they think he wants). I don't think they have to take orders, or else they would have just healed Cynthia when Aaron asked, instead of telling Aaron he was confusing them and then leaving without healing Cynthia. Besides, they weren't exactly taking orders from Aaron before this episode either, they were guessing at what he wanted based on his emotions/thoughts. Aaron even said he never wanted to kill anyone. They seemed almost like kids trying to please a parent. I think they will eventually go back to doing what Aaron wants, but Aaron will probably be a different(more vindictive ) person because of Cynthia's death(I hope she stays dead and that the nanites don't end up bringing her back next episode), and this might kind of make the nanites turn "bad".

I also think they're probably still evolving; becoming more self-aware, and will probably outgrow the need/desire to do what Aaron(or anyone else) wants. They could eventually decide that they know what is best for people, and might try to manipulate people's thoughts/actions to get them to do what they think is right; they could also eventually take people over outright without out anyone realizing it(kind of like they did with Aaron when they got him to go to the school). I don't think they would go the Skynet route all they way, where the nanites decide to get rid of the entire human race, because it would be too easy for the nanites to wipe out the humans; since they are everywhere and inside everyone.

I'm hoping there isn't some sort of robotics factory in Spring City, OK; where they want Aaron to go, in order to help build them bodies or something like that lol(because that would definitely be too Terminator).

They could go the religious route too, with Aaron or someone else as the nanites avatar/messenger; or Aaron himself(or someone else) can decide to play a Messiah figure.

Sorry for the long, rambling post lol. :)

garhkal
November 25th, 2013, 06:41 PM
Getting off Aaron for a mo.. how much longer do you think Mile's will have before he loses his arm?

VampyreWraith
November 25th, 2013, 07:35 PM
I hope he doesn't end up losing his hand or arm. Is his hand something that is fixable without amputation? For some reason I'm picturing Miles with a hook for a hand now lol.

I guess the nanites can always come back to fix up Miles, but if they do that, that also means that they'll probably bring back Cynthia. Hopefully it's not something that requires them though.

garhkal
November 29th, 2013, 02:06 PM
It imo depends on how bad its infected and whether that infection has spread to the blood or not.

ZRFTS
November 29th, 2013, 03:01 PM
It imo depends on how bad its infected and whether that infection has spread to the blood or not.

From what I've seen, his entire arm has to be amputated.

Looney
November 29th, 2013, 06:55 PM
From what I've seen, his entire arm has to be amputated.

Are you saying from what they showed us in the episode or you've read something that says they amputate his arm?

jelgate
November 29th, 2013, 07:35 PM
From what I've seen, his entire arm has to be amputated.

Appearences can be decieving. Ignoring that this is tv which tends to dramatize injuries, a lot of times what appears on the skin isn't a relaible indicator of the amount of damage a body has.

ZRFTS
November 30th, 2013, 02:29 AM
Appearences can be decieving. Ignoring that this is tv which tends to dramatize injuries, a lot of times what appears on the skin isn't a relaible indicator of the amount of damage a body has.

Either way; that injury will either result in his hand or his arm being amputated because how else would be healed. Magical nanites?

In all seriousness the writers need to have Miles lose his combat ability and this is the only way to do it. If they have to amputate something so be it.

Mrja84
December 15th, 2013, 12:01 PM
Either way; that injury will either result in his hand or his arm being amputated because how else would be healed. Magical nanites?

In all seriousness the writers need to have Miles lose his combat ability and this is the only way to do it. If they have to amputate something so be it.

What if in their rush to amputate something, they amputate the wrong appendage....ouch ;)

generaloneill
December 18th, 2013, 08:14 AM
Yep, next episode is Jan 8th.

Lucky you after this episode ended on Sky1 they announced that Revolution wouldn't be back until March 2nd 2014, i wonder has it become Sky1's policy to have long gaps between shows that take a break for christmas, they did the same with SGU which took a break right around the time Colonel Young abandoned Rush on the planet with the alien ship, i don't remember if they did the same thing with the second season of SGU.


And oh btw, I am very sad to see Horn go.

I wasn't i'm glad he went up in flames he was a lame and boring bad guy now Major Neville there's an intimidating bad guy Major Neville is everything Horn wasn't, all that was missing was Johnny Cash's Ring of Fire.


They could go the religious route too, with Aaron or someone else as the nanites avatar/messenger; or Aaron himself(or someone else) can decide to play a Messiah figure.

Like Gauis Baltar in BSG? Maybe Aaron could dream up his own number six cylon.

My favourite line in this episode was General Monroe saying i'm Batman, my favourite scenes all belong to Aaron, this episode is the best since the first episode of season 1.

VampyreWraith
December 18th, 2013, 10:50 AM
Lucky you after this episode ended on Sky1 they announced that Revolution wouldn't be back until March 2nd 2014, i wonder has it become Sky1's policy to have long gaps between shows that take a break for christmas, they did the same with SGU which took a break right around the time Colonel Young abandoned Rush on the planet with the alien ship, i don't remember if they did the same thing with the second season of SGU.

Last year, NBC had the show off until the end of March. It was a pretty long break, I'm glad they didn't do that this year. I think they wanted to keep it paired up with The Voice and they had another show that they wanted to air in that timeslot; none of that was an issue this year.
SGU had a similar mid-season break on Syfy too( I think). Syfy only does short seasons now(like most other cable channels here), so there are really long breaks between seasons on all their shows, which is kind of annoying.




Like Gauis Baltar in BSG? Maybe Aaron could dream up his own number six cylon.

My favourite line in this episode was General Monroe saying i'm Batman, my favourite scenes all belong to Aaron, this episode is the best since the first episode of season 1.

Lol, yeah like Baltar, I kind of hope not though, I wasn't too fond of Baltar's little cult arc(I didn't hate it, but I didn't like it that much either). Cynthia could be his Six I guess lol.

That "I'm Batman" line was great. I also loved it when Monroe told Miles that he'd gone soft, and he said that Miles was "like a puppy holding a kitten", or something like that. I liked all the Monroe and Miles interaction in the episode; and Aaron's scenes with the creepy nano-boy.

garhkal
December 22nd, 2013, 02:57 PM
While Gaius and Aaron have some similarities, i don't see him being a Gaius. They both are whiny, they both are a little weak in fighting. That's it.

VampyreWraith
December 22nd, 2013, 03:47 PM
I don't think that Baltar and Aaron are alike personality wise, my comment was in regard to the possibility of Aaron being given a storyline where he becomes a Messiah figure with groupies, like Baltar in season 4 of BSG.

garhkal
December 23rd, 2013, 11:08 AM
AHh. Would make for a change where he is the focus.