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GateWorld
October 8th, 2013, 07:56 PM
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<FONT SIZE="1">EPISODE NUMBER - 206</FONT>
<DIV STYLE="margin-top:10px; padding:0;">When Diggle receives new information about his missing friend and the man who shot his brother Oliver and Felicity join him on a trip to Moscow, where he infiltrates a Russian prison to save Lyla.</DIV>
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Mrja84
November 13th, 2013, 05:58 PM
I think this is my favorite episode so far. And we even got an Stargate alum!

Is Floyd connected to Mr. Blood through that organization?

That serum the Japanese invented, guess that proves the existence of powers.

mr_kennedy
November 14th, 2013, 02:49 AM
Another Solid Episode

Amanda Waller showed up huh? interesting i wonder if there going to do a origin story with her character? they just kind of inserted her in smallville without doing any origin story or anything but then she wasn't in smallville for very long

So i read that Isabella Rochev is suppose to be a villain in the comics? is that true i don't have much to do with DC Comics

Suprised to see Deadshot again, i bet he will show up again this season

Starsaber
November 14th, 2013, 09:01 AM
Is Floyd connected to Mr. Blood through that organization?

That serum the Japanese invented, guess that proves the existence of powers.

Don't think so. Deadshot's pretty much a mercenary. If Blood pays him enough, I'm sure he'd do a job for him, but he's pretty much freelance.

The serum sounded like the Japanese were going for something along the lines of the Captain America serum in Marvel, not necessarily superpowers.

Mrja84
November 14th, 2013, 09:29 AM
Another Solid Episode

Amanda Waller showed up huh? interesting i wonder if there going to do a origin story with her character? they just kind of inserted her in smallville without doing any origin story or anything but then she wasn't in smallville for very long

So i read that Isabella Rochev is suppose to be a villain in the comics? is that true i don't have much to do with DC Comics

Suprised to see Deadshot again, i bet he will show up again this season

I was not impressed by Waller here. Neither in Green Lantern or Smallville. I loved Waller in Justice League and Justice League Unlimited.

Why can't we get that character? Instead we have a stick figure. She looked like her body would break if she moved. Good looking actress, but just did not seem to have the "balls" Amanda Waller is known for. I don't even like the New 52 version. I want pre-New 52 or at lest DCAU Waller.

VampyreWraith
November 14th, 2013, 06:02 PM
I thought this was a really good episode; I enjoyed it a lot.

I found Felicity's attitude towards Isabel funny. I lol'd at the little hand gesture she made when she apologized for interrupting Oliver's meeting with Isabel to tell him that Roy had info(she put her hands up like they were claws).

I liked Deadshot in this ep. I liked Anatoli too.

Diggle was great. I liked that Diggle worked with Deadshot and that he didn't end up killing him. I liked Lyla too.

I enjoyed the flashbacks on the ship.

I only just realized that David Nykl plays Anatoli. I remember reading that he was supposed to be on this, but I didn't realize that it was him until I went to look up who played Anatoli, because I thought that the actor looked familiar from something lol.






The serum sounded like the Japanese were going for something along the lines of the Captain America serum in Marvel, not necessarily superpowers.

That's basically how I saw it as well.

Looney
November 14th, 2013, 08:01 PM
Instead we have a stick figure. She looked like her body would break if she moved.

I really have no idea about the character, but you are certainly right about the actress.

Really liked this episode. Too bad Thea was in it, but I enjoyed the Laurel break. I also like Summer Glau having a larger role in this one, although I don't really like how they handled it. And I really didn't like the how they threw Felicity into it as well. It was great when she had to interrupt them, but from then on her involvement with Isabel and Oliver really didn't work for me. But neither did what ended up happening between Isabel and Oliver.

I think this could be my new favorite show if they get rid of Thea and Laurel and add David Nykl to every episode. I am so glad he landed on this show. Now they just need to keep him. :D

VampyreWraith
November 14th, 2013, 08:10 PM
I just realized that Laurel wasn't even in this episode. I didn't even notice that she wasn't around while I was watching it.

garhkal
November 14th, 2013, 09:35 PM
I liked Deadshot in this ep. I liked Anatoli too.

Diggle was great. I liked that Diggle worked with Deadshot and that he didn't end up killing him. I liked Lyla too.

As Dead shot said.. being honorable cuts both ways..
But who knows, maybe deadshot will see it as he 'owes diggle one' should they meet later.



I only just realized that David Nykl plays Anatoli. I remember reading that he was supposed to be on this, but I didn't realize that it was him until I went to look up who played Anatoli, because I thought that the actor looked familiar from something lol.


I didn't even connect it till you mentioned it.

Mrja84
November 15th, 2013, 07:46 AM
As Dead shot said.. being honorable cuts both ways..
But who knows, maybe deadshot will see it as he 'owes diggle one' should they meet later.


I think he paid him back by telling Diggle who hired him.

VampyreWraith
November 15th, 2013, 10:04 AM
It may come back to bite him later on, but I think it was good for Diggle to be able to put his need for vengeance aside for Lyla and then not murder Deadshot in cold blood.

mr_kennedy
November 15th, 2013, 02:14 PM
I just realized that Laurel wasn't even in this episode. I didn't even notice that she wasn't around while I was watching it.

Yep me 2, its taken me this long to realise that it was Zalenka :o

Looney
November 16th, 2013, 08:44 PM
So are we are all in agreement. We want Laurel off the show and Anatoli can come on as a series regular? Who knows someone who knows someone who produces this show? :D

Or Thea. I can accept keeping Laurel if Thea moves to her own island to be alone and off this show. :D :rolleyes:

garhkal
November 16th, 2013, 09:55 PM
I think he paid him back by telling Diggle who hired him.

Dead shot might consider that 'paying diggle back', but will diggle?

mr_kennedy
November 17th, 2013, 04:05 AM
So are we are all in agreement. We want Laurel off the show and Anatoli can come on as a series regular? Who knows someone who knows someone who produces this show? :D

Or Thea. I can accept keeping Laurel if Thea moves to her own island to be alone and off this show. :D :rolleyes:

Feed both of them to Smokey :D :lol:

Mrja84
November 17th, 2013, 09:14 AM
I actually like Thea. Laurel, I think, the writers are doing a bad job with her and not the actress.

VampyreWraith
November 17th, 2013, 11:54 AM
I actually like Thea too, and she doesn't really have that big of a role; so even when she is being annoying, it's not really a big deal to me.

I don't really have a problem with the actress playing Laurel(she's not great, but she's not bad either), I just don't find the character interesting or well written. She's just the love interest that the hero can't really get over, and/or the damsel in distress. Though I suppose a better actress could have made me feel more sympathetic towards the character, even if the character were poorly written.



Yep me 2, its taken me this long to realise that it was Zalenka :o

The characters are so different, it's not easy to see that they are being played by the same person lol.

Mrja84
November 17th, 2013, 12:21 PM
The characters are so different, it's not easy to see that they are being played by the same person lol.

Especially when the new character is all gruffy and macho. :)

VampyreWraith
November 17th, 2013, 02:05 PM
Especially when the new character is all gruffy and macho. :)

Yeah lol, he's not at all like nerdy, nervous Zelenka. :) Anatoli looked kind of like a pimp in that club scene, with the leather jacket, his shirt a little unbuttoned and the gold chain showing.

garhkal
November 17th, 2013, 10:29 PM
I don't really have a problem with the actress playing Laurel(she's not great, but she's not bad either), I just don't find the character interesting or well written. She's just the love interest that the hero can't really get over, and/or the damsel in distress. Though I suppose a better actress could have made me feel more sympathetic towards the character, even if the character were poorly written.
lol.

While she was ok in the first half of S1, she has dropped down in my rating book.. here is hoping they have some decent character advancement for her for the rest of S2 that is not more 'damsel in distress' stuff.


Yeah lol, he's not at all like nerdy, nervous Zelenka. :) Anatoli looked kind of like a pimp in that club scene, with the leather jacket, his shirt a little unbuttoned and the gold chain showing.

It wasn't just that imo.. It was he didn't have the same voice, let alone the same face..

VampyreWraith
November 18th, 2013, 05:03 AM
While she was ok in the first half of S1, she has dropped down in my rating book.. here is hoping they have some decent character advancement for her for the rest of S2 that is not more 'damsel in distress' stuff.

I hope so too. I don't hate her or anything; I think she's ok for the most part. I just want to actually like Laurel, she has a fairly big role, and I'd probably enjoy the show a lot more than I already do if I liked her more.




It wasn't just that imo.. It was he didn't have the same voice, let alone the same face..

Yeah, I think it was the beard that made his face look a lot different.

Mrja84
November 18th, 2013, 08:49 AM
While she was ok in the first half of S1, she has dropped down in my rating book.. here is hoping they have some decent character advancement for her for the rest of S2 that is not more 'damsel in distress' stuff.

I felt she was better in the second half of the first season. Now they have her kinda pushed to the side and lightly addressing what she is going through. But her father is taking most of the action so far.

They probably would have done better by not having he in any of those episodes until they showed her alcohol and drug use. Otherwise, it just doesn't seem like she's taking a bad turn when they have her doing all this other stuff.

garhkal
November 18th, 2013, 12:38 PM
I wonder if/when daddy is going to break his promise and tell Laural her sister is still alive..?

Eternal Density
November 25th, 2013, 03:57 PM
I thought this was a really good episode; I enjoyed it a lot.

I found Felicity's attitude towards Isabel funny. I lol'd at the little hand gesture she made when she apologized for interrupting Oliver's meeting with Isabel to tell him that Roy had info(she put her hands up like they were claws).

I liked Deadshot in this ep. I liked Anatoli too.

Diggle was great. I liked that Diggle worked with Deadshot and that he didn't end up killing him. I liked Lyla too.

I enjoyed the flashbacks on the ship.

I only just realized that David Nykl plays Anatoli. I remember reading that he was supposed to be on this, but I didn't realize that it was him until I went to look up who played Anatoli, because I thought that the actor looked familiar from something lol.


That's basically how I saw it as well.David Nykl? Lol I had no idea!

I didn't really like Oliver's attitude when talking about Isabel to Felicity at the end. That was cold!

And seriously Diggle, typing H.I.V.E. into Bing? :P *eyeroll*

VampyreWraith
November 25th, 2013, 06:52 PM
David Nykl? Lol I had no idea!

I didn't really like Oliver's attitude when talking about Isabel to Felicity at the end. That was cold!

And seriously Diggle, typing H.I.V.E. into Bing? :P *eyeroll*


What did he say? I don't remember it being that bad. I remember him saying that he was with Isabel because he didn't want to be with someone that he could actually care about. Oh wait, nevermind lol, I suppose that would mean in regards to Isabel. She wasn't exactly nice towards Felicity, and she didn't seem to be emotionally attached to Oliver or anything, so his attitude didn't really bother me I guess.

Some of the product placement on this show is eye-rolling lol. I find the Windows 8 home screen ones to be the worst.

Sp!der
January 17th, 2014, 02:45 PM
The Last Episode and this one are my favorites from the second season but i have not seen.any disappointing Episode in this season. I am glad That i stuck with it because i remember that i was not quite convinced by this Show. I loved that it played in russia and with The mission andall feeled a bit like shield only netter. I hope we. See more of Summer glau although i like felicity more.

Alphabet Cookie
March 8th, 2014, 02:06 AM
Watching this ep again i thought Isabel's name was weirdly familiar and since i know nothing whatsoever about the comics i couldnt rest till i figured out why.
So am i crazy or in the first episode in season one when Oliver looks at the notebook under Adam Hunt (the guy he's hunting in that ep)'s name is Isabel Rochev?
So assuming im not mad or blind, does that mean she was part of the 'Undertaking'? Hmm

Mrja84
March 10th, 2014, 07:19 AM
Watching this ep again i thought Isabel's name was weirdly familiar and since i know nothing whatsoever about the comics i couldnt rest till i figured out why.
So am i crazy or in the first episode in season one when Oliver looks at the notebook under Adam Hunt (the guy he's hunting in that ep)'s name is Isabel Rochev?
So assuming im not mad or blind, does that mean she was part of the 'Undertaking'? Hmm

Did you confirm that or are you just guessing?

Alphabet Cookie
March 11th, 2014, 02:01 AM
Did you confirm that or are you just guessing?

I looked back at the pilot ep and i think its her name, it looks like it to me anyways but i could be wrong... and perhaps need to wear glasses more, i dunno

Starsaber
March 11th, 2014, 11:27 AM
Yes, she is in the book. What level of involvement she has in the Undertaking is unknown.

Mrja84
March 12th, 2014, 08:15 AM
Yes, she is in the book. What level of involvement she has in the Undertaking is unknown.

Wouldn't Ollie have known that? Unless that was just a shout-out and they don't use it as an actual plot point. It would seem odd if they did.

Alphabet Cookie
March 12th, 2014, 05:36 PM
Wouldn't Ollie have known that? Unless that was just a shout-out and they don't use it as an actual plot point. It would seem odd if they did.

I wondered that too, surely in all those years on the island, planning his great 'Save Starling' plan he would have studied the book?? Wouldnt her name have at least rung some sort of bell for him? Maybe its some big plan the writers have