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knowles2
October 7th, 2013, 04:55 PM
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/mipcom-canadas-space-orders-killjoys-644284




MIPCOM: Canada's Space Orders 'Killjoys' From 'Orphan Black' Producer (Exclusive)

The broadcaster anticipates a breakout hit from creator Michelle Lovretta and Temple Street Productions similar to the Tatiana Maslany starrer on BBC America.

CANNES -- Temple Street Productions and Canada's Space channel insist they have another Orphan Black on their hands.

Canada's Space channel has given indie producer Temple Street a 10-episode order for Killjoys, an interplanetary bounty-hunter drama created and written by Michelle Lovretta (Lost Girl), ahead of a 2014 debut.

The acquisition follows Temple Street producing the Tatiana Maslany starrer Orphan Black, a sci-fi clone thriller that came from left field to become a hit for BBC America stateside.


"Orphan Black is a tremendous success for us, so our hope would be that [Killjoys] will equal that success within Canada, the U.S. and internationally," Temple Street executive producer and co-president Dave Fortier told The Hollywood Reporter from Cannes while attending MIPCOM.

Killjoys is a character-driven drama like Orphan Black, but the new series is set in a distant galaxy where bounty hunters, or killjoys, are licensed to pursue a vast range of warrants.

Their mission proves impossible and near fatal for Dutch, a gorgeous and deadly killjoy at the top of her game, while her partner, John the Bastard, is a peacemaker who hates conflict.

Catherine MacLeod, senior vp specialty channels at Bell Media, said Killjoys will appeal just as much to genre fans as it will to other TV viewers attracted to complex character-driven dramas.

"It's not just an outer-space show that will appeal to all the genre geeks. There's a story there, a love triangle, and the dialogue is amazing," MacLeod said of the script written by Lovretta.



Finally a new space opera goes into production. It seems Space is becoming what Scifi use to be.

If it has good as Orphan Black I recon we are in for a treat. An even if it not, I am so desperate for a new space opera series I will probably watch it.

Hell I am so desperate for new space opera that I am watching Star Hunter, so even if it isn't very good I will probably watch it anyway.

mr_kennedy
October 7th, 2013, 06:33 PM
I haven't seen Orphan Black yet, but this sounds interesting i'll atleast give it a try :)

Wyrminarrd
October 8th, 2013, 05:31 AM
I wasnt able to get passed the first episode of Orphan Black. There just wasn't anything about that show that grabbed me.

Hopefully Killjoys will be more to my tastes.

knowles2
October 8th, 2013, 04:51 PM
A bit more about the show here;

http://www.craveonline.com/tv/articles/583843-space-orders-new-canadian-drama-killjoys?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=space-orders-new-canadian-drama-killjoys


The premise of the show is this: In a distant galaxy, the people of the planet Qresh have colonized their three moons, creating four stratified worlds, each defined along socio-economic lines and rife with social unrest. In this planetary unit, known as the Quad, a highly regulated group of bounty hunters, Killjoys, are licensed to pursue a vast range of warrants throughout the galaxy. Killjoys must follow strict rules, and there are harsh consequences for veering from their mantra: “The Warrant is All." Killjoys are not allowed to take a personal or political side in their mission, which proves to be impossible and near fatal for Dutch. Dutch is a gorgeous, complicated and deadly Killjoy at the top of her game. Her partner, John the Bastard, is a peacemaker who hates conflict.

mr_kennedy
October 8th, 2013, 05:35 PM
A bit more about the show here;

http://www.craveonline.com/tv/articles/583843-space-orders-new-canadian-drama-killjoys?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=space-orders-new-canadian-drama-killjoys

Sounds a little bit like Cowboy Bebop

Krichton
October 8th, 2013, 09:44 PM
Never seen Orphan black, but I've already have it cued up on right now to watch.

pakar
January 4th, 2015, 05:07 AM
As you propably know Killjoys is now co- produced by space and syfy
some news here:
http://www.spoilertv.com/2014/10/syfy-press-tour-2014-highlights-and.html

and a video here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQfSuLvn7Zk

mr_kennedy
January 5th, 2015, 12:33 PM
its definitely sounding more and more like Cowboy beebop......... i love that here's hoping its as good as that anime

pakar
March 30th, 2015, 03:28 PM
some news

http://www.space.ca/article/killjoys-toronto-comicon-2015

but still no premiere day (other than 2015)

pakar
April 3rd, 2015, 04:52 AM
Killjoys will premiere june 19th

the first promo

http://www.spoilertv.com/2015/04/killjoys-premiere-date-announced-first.html

knowles2
April 3rd, 2015, 06:39 AM
That promo looks a lots pretty good. But they could have done more work with the typeface and colour use for the show logo.

pakar
April 28th, 2015, 11:56 AM
a sneak peak

http://io9.com/watch-a-ridiculously-fun-clip-from-the-space-bounty-hun-1700703705

Well it will definitelly not be Firefly or BSG ( not that i expected something like that) but it seems it will be fun.

pakar
May 11th, 2015, 03:55 AM
Amanda Tapping in Killjoys

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/sanctuarys-amanda-tapping-guest-star-794164

Why i have the impression that the same actors appear in all sci fi series that are canadian or produced in canada ? !

hedwig
May 11th, 2015, 11:24 AM
Amanda Tapping in Killjoys

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/sanctuarys-amanda-tapping-guest-star-794164

Why i have the impression that the same actors appear in all sci fi series that are canadian or produced in canada ? !

Because it's true? :p

bearfax
May 12th, 2015, 09:20 AM
Is this an attempt to get a kind of FIREFLY back on the TV screen? Tragedy they stopped that one after a season. Great series. If this one is half as good then it will be worth it.

pakar
May 13th, 2015, 12:59 PM
a new promo

http://www.spoilertv.com/2015/04/killjoys-premiere-date-announced-first.html

Annoyed
May 19th, 2015, 02:10 PM
Which looks just the way you’d expect a space opera from the creator of Lost Girl to look.
I certainly hope it is more worthwhile than the soft porn that is "Lost Girl". I started watching LG at the outset, but it swiftly descended to being just filler between gratuitous sex scenes as far as I'm concerned and gave up on it.

pakar
May 26th, 2015, 04:18 AM
An uptaded promo

http://www.spoilertv.com/2015/04/killjoys-premiere-date-announced-first.html

This is looking more and more like campy action

pakar
June 20th, 2015, 03:52 PM
wow! i was impressed!
Yes it's campy but it's real fun. Good acting. good cgi, fun characters but with personality, a well crafted worldbuilding and a true space opera. This is much better than dark matter.
Lovretta said that after episode 4 will be more serialization.
http://www.blastr.com/2015-6-19/exclusive-killjoys-creator-michelle-lovretta-shows-aliens-influence-and-ordinary-life

Dr Kaylee Beckett
June 20th, 2015, 07:31 PM
I like it a lot as well. Certainly more dynamic than the first part of Dark Matter. I'm looking forward to the second one. :)

ecgordon
June 20th, 2015, 08:17 PM
I liked it too, but mainly in a guilty pleasure sort of way. Depends on if they want to keep it light or get more gritty with the characters. It is better than Dark Matter, but that's not saying much.

pakar
June 21st, 2015, 02:36 AM
I think the show it's just that: a guilty pleusure. I suspect it will become later in the season a little more serious but not much. But at least it has better acting, decent dialogues and is better directed. So we should enjoy it for what it is without many expectations.

Wyrminarrd
June 21st, 2015, 02:09 PM
I liked the premier and will definitely continue watching.

AresLover452
June 21st, 2015, 06:50 PM
I am loving this show! I can't wait to see more! :D

pakar
June 22nd, 2015, 03:30 AM
Can we have a sub forum for this? btw i don't understand why Dark Matter got its sub forum while 12 monkeys and this didn't.

ecgordon
June 22nd, 2015, 04:20 AM
Can we have a sub forum for this? btw i don't understand why Dark Matter got its sub forum while 12 monkeys and this didn't.
Probably because of its Stargate connection.

VampyreWraith
June 22nd, 2015, 07:59 AM
I really liked the first episode of this show, it was fun and I like the characters so far. I'm looking forward to the next ep.

pakar
June 22nd, 2015, 02:09 PM
Episode 1 ratings

0.966 mil. viewers
0.26 adult rating

Well i didn't expect more. Perhaps since this is primarely a space channel production the canadian ratings will also matter but i'm not optimistic. It was a bad friday for syfy.
With bad ratings for Defiance, Dark Matter and Killjoys i wonder what syfy will do. Will they renew any of these?

TOIVA
June 22nd, 2015, 02:21 PM
I liked that a lot. Definitely far more enjoyable than Dark Matter.

It feels a lot more 'real' and 'alive' than Dark Matter and I like the main characters from the get go.

Btw, have you noticed the ship's funny quips?

jelgate
June 22nd, 2015, 02:58 PM
The bar for imports is always lower as SyFy has to pay less compared to US shows

knowles2
June 22nd, 2015, 05:20 PM
I will be watching because Hannah John-Kamen is hot. I personally prefer Dark Matter over this.

An apart from the cool corridor scene everything else was pretty poor and CGI is even below Dark matter here, Elite Dangerous has better looking planets and ships than this tv show does, truly terrible.

I suspect all three shows will be renewed, why because Syfy need something to rebuild their audience with and the current management knows it not going to do that by scrapping shows after their first season.

knowles2
June 22nd, 2015, 05:22 PM
Can we have a sub forum for this? btw i don't understand why Dark Matter got its sub forum while 12 monkeys and this didn't.

Probably because Joe Mallozzi and the people that run this site are acquaintances. An Dark Matter treated this site like it did other bigger site by providing preview of the first few episodes.

AresLover452
June 22nd, 2015, 07:44 PM
I am loving Killjoys!! Dutch is EPIC!! I can't wait to see more from her and how she deals with the brothers! :D and I wanna see more about her past! LOL!

chrono trigger
June 22nd, 2015, 09:54 PM
Sad that this and Dark matter are already struggling in the ratings, i have wanted space shows to return for ages.:(

TOIVA
June 23rd, 2015, 07:37 AM
I will be watching because Hannah John-Kamen is hot. I personally prefer Dark Matter over this.

An apart from the cool corridor scene everything else was pretty poor and CGI is even below Dark matter here, Elite Dangerous has better looking planets and ships than this tv show does, truly terrible.

I suspect all three shows will be renewed, why because Syfy need something to rebuild their audience with and the current management knows it not going to do that by scrapping shows after their first season.

It does have worse CGI because Killjoys is clearly far more interested in characters than space combat. And I'm fine with that. I still mostly enjoy Babylon 5 and Farscape, and those had pretty terrible CGI, particularly for the first seasons.

On the other hand, Dark Matter has CGI among the best (comparable to SGU and BSG), but it's still kinda bland. After two episodes, I still don't really care for the characters.

Maybe they'll renew Killjoys and Dark Matter, but I don't think Defiance will get a fourth season.

knowles2
June 23rd, 2015, 08:17 AM
Babylon 5 and Farscape, and those had pretty terrible CGI, particularly for the first seasons.



Babylon 5 and Farscape had awesome CGI for their time. No show have even come close to beating the amount of CGI use on Babylon 5. Babylon 5 is 20 years old so poor CGI is acceptable. Poor CGI in a show launch in 2015 isn't.

Ian-S
June 23rd, 2015, 01:12 PM
I like the humour in this, it's dark.

TOIVA
June 24th, 2015, 05:15 AM
What I meant is that I don't necessarily have to think about how old those shows are in order to justify the quality of the CGI and enjoy the shows (Babylon 5 is actually close to 30 years old now, isn't it?).
I would still enjoy Farscape if it came out this year with what CGI it had back then. (Babylon 5's CGI would feel quite jarring for a current production today, though. But thankfully, Killjoys isn't that bad.)

pakar
June 24th, 2015, 05:19 AM
People will allways argue about the cgi of a movie or tv show. I think it depends on expectations but also on what can be considered "good cgi" for a show. The cgi which is good for one show perhaps it's not for another. And in the end it's the story that matters most.

ecgordon
June 24th, 2015, 08:24 AM
Babylon 5 is actually close to 30 years old now, isn't it?.
February 22, 1993. That makes it 22 years, and a few months now.

ancore
June 25th, 2015, 11:43 AM
An apart from the cool corridor scene everything else was pretty poor and CGI is even below Dark matter here, Elite Dangerous has better looking planets and ships than this tv show does, truly terrible.


I asume you mean the one with the jewels. Yeah I liked that one too. I also liked the one with the brothers, maybe not for the fight itself, but it's fun because they are brothers. All in all I liked the pace of the whole episode. So far it didn't rely to much on the CGI (I think costumes were used to great effect) so it will be ok.

What's good about this show is the setup of the universe. Space monks anybody? After one episode I feel like I already like the Quad system.

TOIVA
June 27th, 2015, 03:42 PM
I think I love this show. I haven't been this excited for a show for a while. Most of the episodes, I'm grinning like a fool. The tone of it brings back good memories from Farscape.

And after this second episode, I can't possibly agree it has bad CGI. It's just a very different style from say Dark Matter.

pakar
June 27th, 2015, 04:27 PM
I really enjoy this show. I like the worldbuilding, the characters chemistry. The Quad system is very interesting, there are enough hints on Dutch's past to keep me interested and i love the ship.
I hope that in the future we will see something about the broader enviroment of the Quad system (the J cluster ). And yes it has something from Farscape and Firefly in it. But it is it's own show.

TOIVA
June 28th, 2015, 06:24 AM
I hope we soon get back to the ex-killjoy lady and the annoyed officer of the RACK (he reminded me of Alliser Thorne from GoT :wraith37:) we've seen in the first episode. Because not only was I 'hooked' on the main characters, I liked those too.

Janet Fraiser
June 28th, 2015, 09:45 PM
I'm surprised there isn't a section for this show yet (unless I'm looking in the wrong place).

I just finished the first episode, and I quite like it so far. Definitely has a different feel than Dark Matter wherein hardly anything is known about the setting. In contrast, so much is explained here, especially with the convenient introduction of a stranger like D'avin. I also like that the action doesn't take up so much time like the shootout on the colony in DM's second episode did.

I should probably stop making comparisons, but it's a bit hard not to when the shows have started at the same time.

Oh, I like that Belle (Bellus?) character. Love her attitude. Will most likely watch the second episode tomorrow. Hopefully this show stays interesting. :)

pakar
June 29th, 2015, 04:42 AM
I'm surprised there isn't a section for this show yet (unless I'm looking in the wrong place).


Unfortunately There isn't a section for this other than this thread.

ancore
June 29th, 2015, 07:27 AM
I also like that the action doesn't take up so much time like the shootout on the colony in DM's second episode did.


yes this. Also killjoy fights are simply fun

I do hope we'll get episodes that don't folow the procedure that seems to be set in the latest ep, but I guess that's why we have the mystery box and hopefully the spacemonks

pakar
June 29th, 2015, 02:16 PM
Episode 2 ratings


1.040 mil viewers
o.22 adult rating

Well it went up! (like Dark matter)

TOIVA
June 29th, 2015, 02:45 PM
yes this. Also killjoy fights are simply fun

For me, it's not just the fights that are fun, it's most of the episodes - with the obvious exception of Dutch's past.
If it keeps the delicate balance, it'a win.

linux geek
July 1st, 2015, 08:55 AM
Im really not getting into this show at all watched the second in the hope I would see what others are seeing but I'm sorry to say I just cant I'm sorry to say

it just feels slightly sugar coated to me

pakar
July 2nd, 2015, 03:32 AM
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/space-original-series-killjoys-seizes-the-day-as-286000-overnight-viewers-makes-it-the-1-entertainment-specialty-program-friday-509110221.html

hedwig
July 3rd, 2015, 08:30 PM
So far, I'm not impressed with this show. Although I will continue to watch it until the episodes with Amanda Tapping, and then we'll see. I have the feeling she's going to be the doctor who treated Davan at one time, and is the one he's trying to find.

knowles2
July 4th, 2015, 07:52 AM
I enjoyed this episode, better than last weeks one.

ecgordon
July 4th, 2015, 09:19 AM
So far, I'm not impressed with this show. Although I will continue to watch it until the episodes with Amanda Tapping, and then we'll see. I have the feeling she's going to be the doctor who treated Davan at one time, and is the one he's trying to find.
I had heard she directed next week's episode of Dark Matter, but not that she was going to appear as a character in Killjoys.

Janet Fraiser
July 4th, 2015, 07:58 PM
Just watched Sugar Point Run and about to start the third ep. Definitely still enjoying this show, although it's gotten a little more violent than I'm used to. Too many blades involved. :s

Also, a separate section for this show would be great. Having all of this in one thread means there will probably be spoilers.


I had heard she directed next week's episode of Dark Matter, but not that she was going to appear as a character in Killjoys.

AT directed yesterday's episode of Dark Matter, and she'll appear on Killjoys (http://www.gateworld.net/news/2015/05/amanda-tapping-boards-syfys-killjoys/) in the later half of the season.

pakar
July 5th, 2015, 03:11 AM
Episode 3
One more good episode. I like the rich worldbuilding (which in the next episode will be richer), the very good chemistry of the characters and their mysteries. My only complaint: we didn't hear Lucy in this episode!

TOIVA
July 5th, 2015, 03:29 AM
Episode 3
My only complaint: we didn't hear Lucy in this episode!
We did, explaining her 'beeps' to D'Avin.

I was a little unimpressed with this latest episode, though. Perhaps except for the doc, that smile of hers was killer, equal parts charming and terrifying.
I'll have to rewatch, maybe it'll grow on me. Till then, this is the first week where I may have liked Dark Matter better.

pakar
July 7th, 2015, 11:16 AM
episode 3 ratings

0.915 mil viewers
0.21 dult rating

It droped again

VampyreWraith
July 7th, 2015, 07:25 PM
I didn't like episode 3 as much as the other eps (I didn't find the character interactions as entertaining/interesting).

epg20
July 8th, 2015, 09:44 PM
it was good to see becca again, that is becca valentine from Andromeda, she captained the eureka maru, it seemed to be the ONLY shuttle the Andromeda had.

hedwig
July 8th, 2015, 09:52 PM
it was good to see becca again, that is becca valentine from Andromeda, she captained the eureka maru, it seemed to be the ONLY shuttle the Andromeda had.

When she walked in the room, it took me a couple of minutes to figure out where I had seen her, and then the light bulb went off. :)

mr_kennedy
July 11th, 2015, 02:46 AM
I quite enjoyed the first couple of episodes, hope this doesn't get cancelled

ecgordon
July 11th, 2015, 06:59 AM
I have been watching, but can't say I'd miss it if it disappeared.

mr_kennedy
July 11th, 2015, 03:59 PM
I prefer this to Dark Matter so far, but I've only seen 1 episode of Dark Matter

Baron Of Hell
July 12th, 2015, 06:00 AM
First episode of Dark Matter is the worse. I liked all the episodes after the second one. I think I like both shows about the same now.

mr_kennedy
July 12th, 2015, 03:16 PM
First episode of Dark Matter is the worse. I liked all the episodes after the second one. I think I like both shows about the same now.

So far I've only seen 3 episodes of each show, but I really quite enjoyed the 3rd episode of Dark Matter, more than the 3rd episode of this show

I prefer the effects used in this show more than Dark Matter

pakar
July 12th, 2015, 04:45 PM
I'm getting a little tired with the one episode/one warrant style. On the other side the worldbuilding is the most interesting part of the show.

poundpuppy29
July 12th, 2015, 08:02 PM
I have watched the premiere did enjoy it and Dark Matter I am watching on Amazon going to get season pass when I can

VampyreWraith
July 13th, 2015, 02:28 PM
I like both this show and Dark Matter (I think I like Dark Matter a little bit more overall, though). I'm also buying the episodes of this show (along with Dark Matter and Defiance and a few other shows) on Amazon or iTunes (whichever one has the episodes out first or when I want to watch it), because my cable package doesn't include Syfy (and because it's just more convenient for some of the other shows).

TOIVA
July 14th, 2015, 11:42 AM
I'm very sad to say the last episodes of Killjoys disappoint me. They're just not as fun as the first two ones. The fights aren't as well choreographed, thought out, etc.

So at this moment, I believe Defiance is the show I enjoy most from the Syfy friday lineup (It's gotten surprisingly good, actually). And Dark Matter is slowly (very slowly) catching up to Killjoys in terms of enjoyability.

I think what Killjoys needs (and it's not simple) is more worldbuilding (still), more show stealing guest characters (that look like they may end up being recurring) and more surprising twists. See the parenthesis, it's not simple. But that's the way this show can stay very fun. That's how it started and how it quickly became a favourite: by being simply fun to watch (unlike the dark Dark Matter or trying - and at least in previous seasons not succeeding - to be complex Defiance).

TOIVA
July 18th, 2015, 02:16 PM
Woohoo, Killjoys is back to great fun.

Amazing episode. And perhaps Lucy being featured so much had something to do with it.

Also after last episode, I said Killjoys still needs more worldbuilding (see post above). Perhaps you wouldn't quite think so, but this last episode actually was worldbuilding. We've seen some more of the environment (asteroid belt with plenty treasures), we've learned a good bunch about army practices and finally even about D'Avin. All that while being awed by what's been going on.
This episode was definitely one of the best so far.

VampyreWraith
July 18th, 2015, 06:49 PM
The latest episode (A Glitch in the System) is my favorite episode of the series so far.

ecgordon
July 18th, 2015, 07:21 PM
They did do a better job with the derelict space ship trope than Dark Matter did last week, but those sets... You can tell when the production is cheap when a space ship cargo hold looks no different than an empty Toronto warehouse, complete with modern-day reach truck.

garhkal
July 18th, 2015, 10:56 PM
Caught a preview clip for this airing next friday, and looked decent enough.

TOIVA
July 19th, 2015, 03:51 AM
They did do a better job with the derelict space ship trope than Dark Matter did last week, but those sets... You can tell when the production is cheap when a space ship cargo hold looks no different than an empty Toronto warehouse, complete with modern-day reach truck.

Funny that you mention the sets. Those have been bothering me quite a lot in Dark Matter. For instance the derelict ship looked exactly like the old anti-nuclear bunkers in my city, eerily similar to what's in my building's basement too. All architecture and technology from the 70s. And the colony in the first couple episodes, well, that wasn't much better.
All that to say, it quickly made me realise I'm watching a show on a budget that can't afford cool sets.

Now on Killjoys, the sets seem more high-tech and I don't think they threw me off the story yet. And "modern-day reach truck"? :wraith37: Where did you see that?

pakar
July 19th, 2015, 05:21 AM
They did do a better job with the derelict space ship trope than Dark Matter did last week, but those sets... .

True but i got tired with these clisce tropes like the derelict ship, the lost colony, time trevel, a parallel universe etc. They have been done to death and i think they should be put to rest for , say, 10 years. The fact that writers continue to do these is a proof for a serious lack of creativity. One thing i really liked in BSG is that they haven't done any of these cliche tropes.

TOIVA
July 19th, 2015, 05:43 AM
While Killjoys uses the same old tropes, I believe it manages to put a new spin on them.

For instance the nanites, while they are used across all sci-fi shows (including the use for healing and regeneration), I can't readily think of seeing them used for torture. Yet it makes perfect sense. And them reconstructing a human fast enough to sustain an EVA without a suit, interesting at least.

pakar
July 19th, 2015, 06:21 AM
While Killjoys uses the same old tropes, I believe it manages to put a new spin on them.

For instance the nanites, while they are used across all sci-fi shows (including the use for healing and regeneration), I can't readily think of seeing them used for torture. Yet it makes perfect sense. And them reconstructing a human fast enough to sustain an EVA without a suit, interesting at least.

I suppose it is what anyone is interested. I just think of the 300 books i have read which have much more and creative plots. Why tv producers are still doing the same old tropes is something i don't understand (actually i do but this is an other discussion). today's producers, writers, directors are illiterate.

knowles2
July 19th, 2015, 08:04 AM
They did do a better job with the derelict space ship trope than Dark Matter did last week, but those sets... You can tell when the production is cheap when a space ship cargo hold looks no different than an empty Toronto warehouse, complete with modern-day reach truck.

That one thing I'm really hating on both shows right now. Ships sets that don't look like they from the future, especially when it sets other than their main ship.

knowles2
July 19th, 2015, 08:10 AM
True but i got tired with these clisce tropes like the derelict ship, the lost colony, time trevel, a parallel universe etc. They have been done to death and i think they should be put to rest for , say, 10 years. The fact that writers continue to do these is a proof for a serious lack of creativity. One thing i really liked in BSG is that they haven't done any of these cliche tropes.

They did the abandon station in the mini series. They also did the lost colony.

ecgordon
July 19th, 2015, 08:14 AM
And "modern-day reach truck"? :wraith37: Where did you see that?
In the scene where Dutch goes into the cargo hold and is telling John that it is empty. I saw two of them, although it might have been just one shot from different angles. Looked exactly like the reach trucks I operated when I worked at Home Depot.

pakar
July 19th, 2015, 10:31 AM
They did the abandon station in the mini series. They also did the lost colony.

there was no abandoned station. The ragnar anchorage was an munitions depot of the colonial fleet

TOIVA
July 19th, 2015, 01:42 PM
I suppose it is what anyone is interested. I just think of the 300 books i have read which have much more and creative plots. Why tv producers are still doing the same old tropes is something i don't understand (actually i do but this is an other discussion). today's producers, writers, directors are illiterate.

I might be similarly illiterate. Which begs the question: Am I more easily entertained because I haven't seen 'this and that' used dozens of times before? I'd actually say that's very much possible.
Another question is: Could someone come up with anything original enough after reading hundreds of books? I'm not so sure about that. I'm resigned to seeing very much the same thing over and over again, with hopefully a new point of view on it. And that little new detail is pretty much all I currently require (and still mostly lack in say Dark Matter).


In the scene where Dutch goes into the cargo hold and is telling John that it is empty. I saw two of them, although it might have been just one shot from different angles. Looked exactly like the reach trucks I operated when I worked at Home Depot.

Oh, my bad. I had no clue what a 'reach truck' is. I expected just some delivery truck...

Well, you're right, there are reach trucks in the cargo hold. But why wouldn't there be? Pretty standard vehicles are used in the series, no reason not to have pretty standard vehicles for cargo transport.

knowles2
July 19th, 2015, 03:41 PM
there was no abandoned station. The ragnar anchorage was an munitions depot of the colonial fleet

According to the wiki it was unkempt, abandon by the colonies.

pakar
July 19th, 2015, 03:49 PM
According to the wiki it was unkempt, abandon by the colonies.

Nothing like that was mentioned in the series. In Wiki they can say whatever they want. After all who abandons a station with thousands of warheads, missiles, small guns etc?

knowles2
July 25th, 2015, 05:54 AM
Tonight episode was the best yet for killjoy.
Whole and the rac I suspect will turn against the company when this civil war does final kick off.

But what the hell is Clyde, he didn't even flinch when Dutch stabbed him several times in the belly. An his blood look like it was gold in color.

An he there to keep her safe when the civil war does start and the company uses it black weapon arsenal.

VampyreWraith
July 25th, 2015, 02:00 PM
I really liked last night's episode (One Blood). I liked it a lot more than this week's Dark Matter ep. Really looking forward to next week.

ancore
July 26th, 2015, 12:08 AM
Yes last episode was nice (best one yet?)
All the world building is starting to pay off, but I love it's more in a gravitating towards something way and not heavy on the cliffhangers. Every episode is still fun to watch as a stand alone.

Did anyone else notice how in the end the bad guys always (accidently) die. Despite Dutch being like, we are not murderers we are Killjoys, we are to cool for that and always trying non lethal first. It's kinda funny

mr_kennedy
July 26th, 2015, 02:51 PM
It still very much reminds of Cowboy Bebop, and that's not a bad thing :D

TOIVA
July 27th, 2015, 06:09 AM
Another good episode. There were a few convenient coincidences (the farmer on Leith conveniently cuts himself by the weapon, the briefing on the Black warrant conveniently takes place in our well known bar and our Killjoy team conveniently always knows the right person to ask for info - for being in prison, the ship stealer is very up-to-date), but in a whole, pretty good.

I'm curious how we'll get to Dr. Jaeger, because the Company representative didn't seem to know. He asked Dr. Pawter who that person was. If he couldn't find out, then Pawter no doubt also didn't find anything by using him. (She only got herself in trouble.)




But what the hell is Clyde, he didn't even flinch when Dutch stabbed him several times in the belly. An his blood look like it was gold in color.


Yeah, it was weird that the stabbing hardly affected Khlyen at all. And while I'm not entirely sure what color the blood was (too many reflections there), there was definitely not enough blood spilled if Klyen is supposed to be human. I'm starting to think he's some kind of robot or perhaps cyborg.

poundpuppy29
July 27th, 2015, 07:02 PM
I am really enjoying this show it is in my sig along with Dark Matter

hedwig
July 31st, 2015, 08:51 PM
I didn't care too much for this episode. With the exception that Amanda Tapping was in it as the "evil" Dr. Yeager. She wasn't a very nice person. I would have liked to see a little afterward on her to see how she was adjusting to having her own memories wiped.

jelgate
July 31st, 2015, 09:48 PM
I found Tapping to be the problem with this episode. She is unconvincing as the villain. Felt like she was just reading from a book instead of acting.

Baron Of Hell
August 1st, 2015, 03:06 AM
I thought episode was rushed but I liked it. They kind of lost track of the mental patient and he never did act crazy. I didn't have any problem with Tapping.

jckfan55
August 1st, 2015, 08:39 AM
I think Dr. Yeager didn't think she was doing anything wrong and at first seems to be reasonable. that makes for a good villain.

Gen. Chris
August 1st, 2015, 10:17 AM
I'm liking this show but Dark Matter is catching up in terms of likability for me. Killjoys is fun, but Dark Matter feels more serious.

VampyreWraith
August 1st, 2015, 06:26 PM
I really liked the last night's ep (Kiss Kiss, Bye Bye). It was nice seeing Amanda Tapping in this. I liked her character well enough as the villain.

poundpuppy29
August 2nd, 2015, 10:38 AM
she is a subtle villain she is a narcissistic doctor I enjoyed Amanda in this ep

Dr Kaylee Beckett
August 2nd, 2015, 12:21 PM
What does Dutch answer to D'avin at the end? There is a part of her sentence I can't catch. :confused:

Edit: I just realized I forgot to specify I was speaking about Friday's episode, "Kiss kiss, bye bye". ;)

Baron Of Hell
August 2nd, 2015, 12:59 PM
I don't recall her exact words but after he says that wasn't him she says but it was her and that she can't be ok with that.

Basically she sees herself as the monster in that situation.

mr_kennedy
August 2nd, 2015, 03:13 PM
Helen Magnus up to no good

Hey sorry DUTCH but John got the worst of robot D'avin

TOIVA
August 5th, 2015, 05:59 AM
What does Dutch answer to D'avin at the end? There is a part of her sentence I can't catch. :confused:

Edit: I just realized I forgot to specify I was speaking about Friday's episode, "Kiss kiss, bye bye". ;)

Paraphrasing:
D'Avin: You know it wasn't me right?
Dutch: But it was me. I can't be ok with that.

Basically they were finding during the episode they may be similarly damaged, bad people. But they find in the end that D'Avin isn't really like that. He's merely a puppet not having a choice when his programming kicks in. Dutch finds she did have a choice in whatever she did. (I guess it's up to debate as to how much choice she really had and how much her blaming herself is deserved. And we'll definitely see more on that.)

Otherwise the episode, while not bad, was a bit lacking in suspension of disbelief. Several things felt like lucky coincidences.
On the other hand, Lucy is still a great character. Dr. Pawter's mysteries will hopefully be more explored in the future.

ESESEL
August 6th, 2015, 10:07 AM
Let's all take a moment to appreaciate that there wasn't an overcoming mind-control by love cliché. And good to see Amanda again too, pity she didn't have much to do.

TOIVA
August 6th, 2015, 04:29 PM
That's where Killjoys is pretty strong, I'd say. Just when you think it's gonna fall in some cliche, it takes a different direction.

TOIVA
August 11th, 2015, 12:37 PM
Hmm, I was waiting for someone else to comment on the latest episode "Come the Rain", but well... gotta be a double post by me then.

Once more, Killjoys managed to avoid some clichés an once more we got to see a couple of the 'suppporting' cast (Bellus and the revolutionary priest).

We finally uncovered all we wanted to know about Pawter. And the coming revolution got more concrete, with spies among the company ranks (and massing of weapons).

Only jarring bit would be the storm pulling Lucy in. But you can at least try and hand waive it: It was a 'weirdo electro-magnetic storm' and Lucy may have actually been parked in the atmosphere and not in orbit (Dutch commands her to park right above the storm before John's programming takes over).

pakar
August 11th, 2015, 04:24 PM
That's where Killjoys is pretty strong, I'd say. Just when you think it's gonna fall in some cliche, it takes a different direction.

That's one reason for me to continue watching it. The other is the good worldbuilding. Killjoys proved that you can do a decent space show (not great but decent) on a low budget if you have some creativity and imagination.

TOIVA
August 12th, 2015, 04:56 AM
And it's pretty fun most of the time.

pakar
August 12th, 2015, 05:59 AM
And it's pretty fun most of the time.

It is. But in the last two episodes it got a liitle more serious. And it does seem to have a content. Not something exceptional but a content none the less. While Dark matter has nothing.

ancore
August 14th, 2015, 10:37 AM
Let's all take a moment to appreaciate that there wasn't an overcoming mind-control by love cliché. And good to see Amanda again too, pity she didn't have much to do.

taken the moment :)


We finally uncovered all we wanted to know about Pawter. And the coming revolution got more concrete, with spies among the company ranks (and massing of weapons).

I'm finding that's the real strength of killjoys, the three leads have good interaction and there is time left to develop the secondary characters, making good use of the interesting world building. Certain sci fi shows with a big ensemble cast lack in that departement. I remember being surprised when Pawter was taken to prison. Really happy it turns out she's not some goody two shoes.

hope this gets a second season, any word on that?

TOIVA
August 14th, 2015, 01:48 PM
Yup, I can't think of any character that would stand out (in the bad sense). They have good chemistry together, including the likes of Pree, Bellus, Alvis, the higher up RAC representatives we've seen etc.

When it comes to another season, I believe I've seen a report of Killjoys being pretty popular for the Space channel (Canada). For Syfy, it's a little lower ranking than both Defiance and Dark Matter. So, fingers crossed it survives. But frankly I'm very worried.

ecgordon
August 15th, 2015, 09:39 AM
Next week is the season finale. I wish this show was getting 13 episodes instead of Dark Matter.

pakar
August 15th, 2015, 10:22 AM
Next week is the season finale. I wish this show was getting 13 episodes instead of Dark Matter.

I wish the same.

TOIVA
August 15th, 2015, 02:01 PM
Next week is the season finale. I wish this show was getting 13 episodes instead of Dark Matter.

Hell yes. I'm so hooked up. There are so many questions that keep appearing. So much more to discover.

This 9th episode just kept amazing me. The Quad is already a fairly vast and interesting place to be, but we keep getting more and more hints of what's beyond. If this isn't renewed, it's just such a huge lost opportunity...

pakar
August 15th, 2015, 03:13 PM
This episode proved for one more time that what makes a show good is simply good writing not the budget. Allthough the space scenes are also better than Dark Matter's.

TOIVA
August 15th, 2015, 08:04 PM
The Quad is actually a believable place. And there are actual people struggling in their daily lives.

Killjoys is great at immersion. Along with the momentum the episodes typically gain, it makes me not notice or quickly forgive the mistakes it does (because yes, Killjoys is far from perfect).

pakar
August 16th, 2015, 02:54 AM
Of course it's not perfect.Far from it. But it has decent writing and acting and an interesting and entetaining story.
And i really liked this futuristic plasma computer. It's been along time since i show something really futuristic.

TOIVA
August 16th, 2015, 12:35 PM
You may have a point. One of the consequences of having stereotypical unimaginative sci-fi lately is that it's all a rehash of technologies and abilities that were deemed sci-fi dozens of years ago. And what's sci-fi about micro-computers, cloning etc. at the current day?

While I'm sure Killjoys isn't the first with this kind of 'plasma computer', it still sounds like a relatively fresh idea and not something I expect tomorrow in the Apple store.


And since I spoke of mistakes, doesn't Dutch's injured leg switch from right to left when she reaches John and D'Avin?

Britta
August 16th, 2015, 12:40 PM
And since I spoke of mistakes, doesn't Dutch's injured leg switch from right to left when she reaches John and D'Avin?

Not as far as I can tell from a quick second look. Left the whole time.

pakar
August 17th, 2015, 02:45 AM
it's been announced that they will be having a Killjoys panel at Fan Expo in Toronto on September 6th.That's a positive sign for renewal.

http://www.spoilertv.com/2015/08/killjoys-enemy-khylen-review.html

TOIVA
August 17th, 2015, 05:51 AM
Not as far as I can tell from a quick second look. Left the whole time.
I'll have to look at it closer.

it's been announced that they will be having a Killjoys panel at Fan Expo in Toronto on September 6th.That's a positive sign for renewal.

http://www.spoilertv.com/2015/08/killjoys-enemy-khylen-review.html

How come there's no smiley for fingers crossed? Because that's definitely my current state of mind.

pakar
August 22nd, 2015, 04:14 PM
A really good finale, much darker than we would expect when the show started. It was a little rushed, this should have been a double episode. It's a pity that they gave only 10 episodes to this show. I'm wondering where they are going now and what the heck is really level six? i hope there will be another season so we'll learn.
But anyway Killjoys proved that decent actors, good writing and a little imagination can make a decent show.

VampyreWraith
August 22nd, 2015, 04:38 PM
I enjoyed the season finale a lot, and I really hope that this show gets another season.

Gen. Chris
August 23rd, 2015, 09:38 AM
Good finale.

By the way, I feel like watching the show a second time is quite beneficial. I started watching the season alone but last week (after I watched episode 9) I managed to convince my girlfriend to watch the series, so I have been rewatching it with her, picking up on a lot of hints and stuff I missed the first time around.

It all makes so much more sense.

mr_kennedy
August 24th, 2015, 05:04 AM
Nice ending, hope it gets a second season

TOIVA
August 24th, 2015, 11:20 AM
It was definitely a good finale.

But I was a little 'over-hyped' from how well the season was progressing. I was somewhat expecting we'll get a hint of the powers beyond the Quad. Possibly get a peek of the looming invasion of the Quad.

But yes, this deserves another season.

pakar
August 24th, 2015, 02:28 PM
killjoys finale

885.000 viewers
0.21 adult rating

It had the worst rating among the three syfy friday shows. But it's a rather cheap import so, perhaps, that will save it,

TOIVA
August 25th, 2015, 05:15 AM
If it does well for Space in Canada, it may survive.

ESESEL
August 25th, 2015, 05:24 AM
Does anyone know of way to find out if it does well for Space?

ancore
August 26th, 2015, 07:27 AM
Really liked the finale, rushed though, two episodes would have been nice to rewatch some time later. I hope this gets a second season.

I'm getting the feeling Dark Matter and Killjoys are drawing different casual viewers (crowd), maybe syfy will renew them both. Or they were just a roll of the dice and filler up before Childhood's End and the Expanse.

TOIVA
August 26th, 2015, 09:07 AM
I'm getting the feeling Dark Matter and Killjoys are drawing different casual viewers (crowd),[...]
It might be. I seem to be seeing people that either like one or the other, rarely both of them.
Personally, I'm rather in the Killjoys camp, though Dark Matter could become a good enough show as well.

jelgate
August 26th, 2015, 02:02 PM
It might be. I seem to be seeing people that either like one or the other, rarely both of them.
Personally, I'm rather in the Killjoys camp, though Dark Matter could become a good enough show as well.

So I am in the minority again?

mr_kennedy
August 26th, 2015, 03:08 PM
I like both shows, Perhaps Killjoys slightly more, but Dark Matter has really picked up over the last couple of episodes

Hope both get a 2nd season, and Defiance gets a 4th season

hedwig
August 26th, 2015, 03:23 PM
So I am in the minority again?

So you like Dark Matter better? Or you don't like either one of them?

jelgate
August 26th, 2015, 05:17 PM
So you like Dark Matter better? Or you don't like either one of them?

I was pretty clear I was pointing to TOIVA's both shows comment

VampyreWraith
August 26th, 2015, 05:49 PM
I like both shows as well (I actually like all of SyFy's scripted summer shows). Some episodes I like Killjoys more, sometimes I like Dark Matter more. So far, overall, I think I like Killjoys better (mostly because the world the show takes place in seems more fleshed out), but that might change since Dark Matter has a couple of eps left.

epg20
August 26th, 2015, 08:16 PM
i like them all too, killjoys a little more than dark matter, but stillit is good enough, the only that comes close to the past, ala, farscape and gate is defiance, good enough to but all in all, on a scale of 1-10, I give dark matter a 6.5 and kill joys a 7.

TOIVA
August 27th, 2015, 03:48 AM
So I am in the minority again?

Well I didn't do any market research. And appearances can be misleading. So you and others in this thread may be just proving me wrong.

poundpuppy29
August 30th, 2015, 09:46 AM
So I am in the minority again?

me too I enjoy both don't understand why some on both sides make it a thing where 1 is better than the other that is what I am seeing on FB

ecgordon
August 30th, 2015, 10:17 AM
I'd say they are both about equal too. Equally disappointing.

Rosehawk
August 30th, 2015, 10:18 AM
I thought both shows brought something different to TV which makes them interesting to watch.

I wasn't expecting to like Killjoys but was hooked from the very beginning. I really love the characters and I think they are doing a great job of telling the story. The friendships and loyalty and where those relationships takes them is intense and interesting.

Dark Matter, I wasn't sure what to expect and I did think it was a bit slow at first but that is to be expected as good storytelling shouldn't reveal everything all at once. Each character seem to have an interesting backstory and it's that backstory that will make a Season 2 even better than Season 1.

TOIVA
August 30th, 2015, 12:55 PM
After seeing all three 'Summer Friday Syfy shows' end their seasons, Killjoys is the one that I'd both really want to see more of and that warrants another season. Defiance too had a great season, but the finale just worked great as a show finale and I can't quite see how it could well continue.

Killjoys' characters had great chemistry together. The Quad and its inhabitants were mostly made a believable society. The stories were 'fresh' in that they brought original elements to often tired old plots. And it was fun.

I very much hope it stays fun - if it gets another season.

Wyrminarrd
August 31st, 2015, 05:31 AM
I enjoyed the show and think it does deserve another season.

I want all three series to get another season but if I have to pick one it would be "Dark Matter".

pakar
September 1st, 2015, 10:10 AM
Renewed for a second season

http://www.spoilertv.com/2015/09/dark-matter-and-killjoys-renewed-for.html

VampyreWraith
September 1st, 2015, 01:59 PM
I'm glad that both Killjoys and Dark Matter were renewed. :)

Gen. Chris
September 1st, 2015, 03:52 PM
As am I. I fist pumped when I read the news.

TOIVA
September 1st, 2015, 04:22 PM
Wooooooohoooooo!


Well, with that out of my system, I gotta say pity that it doesn't get at least the 13 eps Dark Matter gets (again).

Gen. Chris
September 1st, 2015, 04:56 PM
Wooooooohoooooo!


Well, with that out of my system, I gotta say pity that it doesn't get at least the 13 eps Dark Matter gets (again).

Means it is a concentrated story. I liked how the last half of the season more than the first because of how focused it kind of was.

ancore
September 2nd, 2015, 04:16 AM
party :jack_new_anime07::jack_new_anime07::jack_new_anime07:

Wyrminarrd
September 2nd, 2015, 04:48 AM
Very good news. There can never be too many space based adventure shows on the air :)

Nonnie88
September 2nd, 2015, 05:43 AM
SWEEEEEEET!!!!
I have only just finished watching I am loving it :)!...
So glad it has been renewed!!!

TOIVA
September 2nd, 2015, 02:06 PM
Means it is a concentrated story. I liked how the last half of the season more than the first because of how focused it kind of was.

The last few eps may have been just a little bit too 'concentrated' for me. :wraith37:

And apparently, it did very well for 'Space channel' indeed. Their highest rated original series ever (http://www.scifistream.com/2015/09/dark-matter-and-killjoys-renewed-for-season-two/). That just makes me happy.

poundpuppy29
September 2nd, 2015, 06:18 PM
very happy that both shows got renewed. I really enjoy the main characters and I can't wait to see what happens but we have to wait almost a year next summer

poundpuppy29
September 7th, 2015, 06:46 PM
I think I will be a Dutch and D'Avin shipper I wish this show had a sub folder on here this is the only forum I feel comfortable to really post on I mainly lurk on all others don't have many posts on others I am registered on

TOIVA
September 9th, 2015, 07:12 AM
Not sure what exactly is the deciding point about giving shows a subfolder or not. It sure would be nice if Killjoys got one.

Skydiver
September 9th, 2015, 07:15 PM
Generally, popularity, viewership, general traffic and posts, whether or not it may last for a bit....and whether or not Darren watches/wants it.

Angela V
September 12th, 2015, 06:01 PM
Does anyone know of way to find out if it does well for Space?

I found the Bell Media press release for the renewal.
Killjoys was the most watched original show of all time.
It started with 395,000 (which is big for Space), mid season 526,000 and ended with a bang at 560,000. Average of 450,000 viewers for the season.

Though there's still only an order of 10 episodes for season 2. I'm thinking it's for budget reasons.

poundpuppy29
September 24th, 2015, 08:42 PM
I think they were setting up a relationship with Johnny and the Doctor girl but that would be kinda weird since she was with his brother but I like Dutch and D'Avin together

Ian-S
September 25th, 2015, 03:31 AM
In today's world 'working through the family' isn't wierd at all, if anything it's a badge of honour if my neighbour is anything to go by.

poundpuppy29
September 26th, 2015, 06:27 PM
in today's world 'working through the family' isn't wierd at all, if anything it's a badge of honour if my neighbour is anything to go by.

lmao

Linda06
February 14th, 2016, 12:26 PM
As much as I like Zoie Palmer, I must admit I do like Killjoys better. Sorry. I just hope they don't start with the romancing the main charatcers together. If they have to add romance for main charatcers please do it with the secondary characters. It's been good so far the dynamic between them without that coming between them.

Linda06
March 15th, 2016, 02:47 PM
And they had to go ruin it

Gen. Chris
March 15th, 2016, 05:55 PM
And they had to go ruin it

What are you talking about?

Ian-S
March 16th, 2016, 06:53 PM
Dutch and D'avin's romance, they're obviously watching at UK pace (it's only just started airing on SyFy here).

Linda06
March 17th, 2016, 03:25 PM
Aye Ian. You got it spot on.

Ian-S
March 18th, 2016, 01:31 PM
Yeah I thought the same as you, I literally rolled my eyes at the time, dunno why they had go on that particular storyline, it was so cliche.

Linda06
March 19th, 2016, 04:12 AM
Yeah I thought the same as you, I literally rolled my eyes at the time, dunno why they had go on that particular storyline, it was so cliche.

They almost always seem to feel the need to get the leading male and leading female together. I don't know why they feel they HAVE to do this.

VampyreWraith
June 27th, 2016, 05:55 AM
They almost always seem to feel the need to get the leading male and leading female together. I don't know why they feel they HAVE to do this.

Yeah, it does get annoying (I prefer it when main characters are paired off with secondary characters), that said, I wasn't too bothered by Dutch and D'Avin, mainly because I was so glad that they didn't go with Dutch and John, which I would have hated, since, to me, those two seem like the leading male and female characters. I'm so glad that they established that their relationship is just a platonic one, where they love each other and would do anything for the other, but they're like brother and sister and not interested in each other romantically.


And Yay, I'm glad that this show has its own section now. :)

VampyreWraith
September 1st, 2016, 01:03 PM
I'm really glad that this has been renewed for a third season! :)

http://deadline.com/2016/09/killjoys-dark-matter-renewed-third-season-syfy-1201812120/

aretood2
September 1st, 2016, 04:38 PM
It's a fun show, but hopefully they do an opening for the third season closer to that of the first season. I think it caught the feel of the show a lot better.

VampyreWraith
September 3rd, 2016, 12:11 PM
Yeah, it's a fun show, I also don't really care much for this season's opening, I thought the first season's was better.

TOIVA
July 1st, 2017, 12:42 PM
Well Killjoys are back and seven hells, I love this show!