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September 29th, 2013, 01:01 PM
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<FONT SIZE="1">EPISODE NUMBER - 301</FONT>
<DIV STYLE="margin-top:10px; padding:0;">Emma and the others embark on a voyage to Neverland, where they encounter a group of mermaids in their quest to rescue Henry from the infamous Peter Pan. Meanwhile, Henry is on the run from the Lost Boys, and Neal finds himself in the Enchanted Forest.</DIV>
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tomstone
September 29th, 2013, 06:19 PM
Awesome first Episode. Cant wait to see where this is going. Looks like Henry is Powerful himself. It is nice to see how the different Dimensions all seem to cover different sources of Magic. Our World that has none, the enchanted Forest where wishes are the source of magic, Frankensteins World that is build on science and now Neverland where Believing seems to be the source of magic.

I am happy to see Neal alive and well. Somehow he fits in very well in the Enchanted Forest with Mulan and Aurora so far. I wonder if Mushu is going to make a appearance soon. After all he seemed to be pretty powerful and one of the EF charakters is connected to him. Well, thats at least what I hope for.

As for what the Lost Boys and Peter are after, I have weird suspicion. They are looking for the truest Believer and used Pixie-dust to find him, what survives on People believing in them? Pixies. Considering the dark Nature of Peter and the others I wonder if the Pixie they want to power up is good or bad. No matter of their own intentions.

mr_kennedy
September 30th, 2013, 04:03 AM
^ I'm going to say the pixie is bad as i dont see a good pixie abducting innocent kids for no reason.......... as was done in the season 2, 2 part finale

What was the sense in Emma attempting suicide like that? i mean i know she had to stop them fighting but there are other ways it didnt achieve the desired result either

Pretty good premier overall tho i look forward to watching the rest of the season :)

tomstone
September 30th, 2013, 09:27 AM
^ I'm going to say the pixie is bad as i dont see a good pixie abducting innocent kids for no reason.......... as was done in the season 2, 2 part finale

What was the sense in Emma attempting suicide like that? i mean i know she had to stop them fighting but there are other ways it didnt achieve the desired result either

Actually the one abducting Kids is Pans Shadow, so its hard to say if he does it under orders or if he desires this himself.
As for Emmas Suicide, I could not think of a better way for them all to Bond together as fast as possible. It was very risky and actually it did work. It just took longer.

garhkal
September 30th, 2013, 02:52 PM
I am happy to see Neal alive and well. Somehow he fits in very well in the Enchanted Forest with Mulan and Aurora so far. I wonder if Mushu is going to make a appearance soon. After all he seemed to be pretty powerful and one of the EF charakters is connected to him. Well, thats at least what I hope for.


Neil working with/chatting with Aurora and Mulan was well done. Some nice flash backs to when vala first got into the SG1 team with the not knowing what we were on about.
Though i wonder why she only accompanied Neil to Rump's castle..??



As for what the Lost Boys and Peter are after, I have weird suspicion. They are looking for the truest Believer and used Pixie-dust to find him, what survives on People believing in them? Pixies. Considering the dark Nature of Peter and the others I wonder if the Pixie they want to power up is good or bad. No matter of their own intentions.

Perhaps the heart of a true believer is needing for something more nefarious.. like bridging the gap from never land to our realm. So peter can start taking kids from our realm..

As for what emma tried.. i am not sure that was an attempt at a suicide.. more an act done to get everyone's attention off their squabbling..

Ian-S
September 30th, 2013, 03:35 PM
Yea I think the suicide part was an unplanned side-effect.

hedwig
September 30th, 2013, 06:06 PM
Emma wouldn't have tried to commit suicide. She wouldn't do that to Henry or her parents. The only thing she was trying to do was stop the squabbling by all the other people, and it backfired on her.

And we'll likely never find out why, but I'd like to know how Gregg and Tamara came to be involved with the "Home Office" (aka Peter Pan), considering how obsessed they were with their whole mission - to the point of being willing to die for their cause, which turned out to be false.

Inquisitor
October 1st, 2013, 10:02 AM
I'm kind of annoyed they met their end so quickly into the new series.

Sue_Jackson
October 1st, 2013, 11:28 AM
Good good good show!! Epic! compelling! Love the story and characters! I love guessing all the fairy tale characters! My favorite was when Robin Hood came through the window! Great timing! :)

poundpuppy29
October 1st, 2013, 07:12 PM
loved this ep great dialogue but was the Jolly Roger destroyed?

mr_kennedy
October 1st, 2013, 08:45 PM
I'm kind of annoyed they met their end so quickly into the new series.

I had a feeling atleast the chick would because the actress is going to be a series regular this season on the walking dead

Mrja84
October 2nd, 2013, 06:15 AM
Love the episode.

It should be noted that Baelfire (Neil) was in our world until Peter's shadow came to take Wendy and her brothers. He sacrificed himself to save them. Then he was in Neverland for a period of time until he escaped.

So, through Peter's shadow (at least) Pan can reach our world. That still leaves how the "Home Office" contacted, recruited, and trainied Tamera and Greg.

I loved Tamera and I wished Rumpel would stop being so damn Evil. I mean he says he was to be a better man, but now we see him flip-flopping again.

I would love to see Greg return and finally learn or accept the truth of his father.

garhkal
October 2nd, 2013, 02:20 PM
Emma wouldn't have tried to commit suicide. She wouldn't do that to Henry or her parents. The only thing she was trying to do was stop the squabbling by all the other people, and it backfired on her.

And we'll likely never find out why, but I'd like to know how Gregg and Tamara came to be involved with the "Home Office" (aka Peter Pan), considering how obsessed they were with their whole mission - to the point of being willing to die for their cause, which turned out to be false.

Perhaps pan has agents able to get to our realm and he recruited them...
But the part that gets me is how willing they are to benefit from magic use. For such outspoken haters of magic i mean.

hedwig
October 2nd, 2013, 07:53 PM
I'm kind of annoyed they met their end so quickly into the new series.

Me too. I was quite surprised at that.

Mrja84
October 3rd, 2013, 08:05 AM
Perhaps pan has agents able to get to our realm and he recruited them...
But the part that gets me is how willing they are to benefit from magic use. For such outspoken haters of magic i mean.

Though I think it's better than having them create science fiction technology that mimics magic.

Ripple in Space
October 3rd, 2013, 05:45 PM
I loved Tamera and I wished Rumpel would stop being so damn Evil. I mean he says he was to be a better man, but now we see him flip-flopping again.
To be fair, at this point, Rumple believes she murdered his son...


loved this ep great dialogue but was the Jolly Roger destroyed?
Nah, they made a point of having Regina say it's reparable.

Personally, I'm glad the Jolly Roger is gone for the moment, since to my eyes, those scenes on the ship were of the poorest quality of the series--I mean in terms of production values. To my eyes, it looked like they were on a fake ship on a soundstage.

It's not like the more elaborate shots in the Enchanted Forrest necessarily look real, but its beautiful OTT oversaturated quality kind of fits with the kind of place it is... The Jolly Roger just looked like a lowish budget TV ship set.

garhkal
October 4th, 2013, 02:45 PM
When pan's ghost pulled out the soul of the guy (gregg) reminded me of the chronicles of riddick.

jeri
October 6th, 2013, 08:19 AM
To be fair, at this point, Rumple believes she murdered his son...

Yes, and I didn't believe her for a second when she said she was sorry about Neal. If you recall, she shot him without a bit of pity at all. If I believed someone had murdered my child, I wouldn't think twice.

Mrja84
October 6th, 2013, 08:42 AM
Yes, and I didn't believe her for a second when she said she was sorry about Neal. If you recall, she shot him without a bit of pity at all. If I believed someone had murdered my child, I wouldn't think twice.

It's that kind of thinking that has lead Rumpel to lose so many in his life. His son only came back as a father to Henry, whom Rumpel has thoughts of killing to protect himself.

Rumpel is consistently thinking about himself. How he feels, how he was wronged, what he's lost.

rushy
October 7th, 2013, 04:28 AM
Rumplestiltskin parodying himself for no reason(seriously, did he think Pan would not recognize him?) was epic!
I wonder what they did with his walking cane...

jeri
October 7th, 2013, 07:59 AM
It's that kind of thinking that has lead Rumpel to lose so many in his life. His son only came back as a father to Henry, whom Rumpel has thoughts of killing to protect himself.

Rumpel is consistently thinking about himself. How he feels, how he was wronged, what he's lost.

In this case it's an action most would do. Can you honestly say you would not want to kill the person who murdered your child? In that land there is no other justice. We have seen Prince Charming and Snow gladly embark to war.

Rumple's action and motivations are a heightened emotional state brought on by the Dark One curse which unleashes the evil in us all. But we see him evolving into someone who is on a path that will end his curse. He has now gone to save Henry regardless of whatever peril it puts him in, believing it's a suicide mission.

BTW, we already know that Tamara is a killer, in a previous episode she has killed. So it's a mute point if Bae/Neal isn't dead. As far as she and Rumple know, he is.

Rumple's action is not purely selfish, she is a kidnapper! She has delivered Henry to an evil so great that Rumple himself is afraid of. And who Hook calls a demon. How can he let her live? That would put Henry in more danger.

Mrja84
October 7th, 2013, 05:26 PM
Rumplestiltskin parodying himself for no reason(seriously, did he think Pan would not recognize him?) was epic!
I wonder what they did with his walking cane...

Refresh my memory, how was he parodying himself? Oh, you mean when he said "Dearie" and did his usual pose?

I just took it as him just tired of the facade he usually put on for people.

rushy
October 7th, 2013, 11:18 PM
Refresh my memory, how was he parodying himself? Oh, you mean when he said "Dearie" and did his usual pose?

I just took it as him just tired of the facade he usually put on for people.
Actually in the next ep, they explain that he's trying to become the Dark One again(and failing at it miserably).

Mrja84
October 8th, 2013, 04:03 AM
Actually in the next ep, they explain that he's trying to become the Dark One again(and failing at it miserably).

Well, I don't think when he did that usual motion as he said "Dearie" was meant as a sincere attempt at being the Dark One, it could be seen as him just not feeling up to being all cheery as he usually is when interacting with anyone as the Dark One.

tomstone
October 8th, 2013, 05:46 AM
Well, I don't think when he did that usual motion as he said "Dearie" was meant as a sincere attempt at being the Dark One, it could be seen as him just not feeling up to being all cheery as he usually is when interacting with anyone as the Dark One.

I would say that is because the "Dark one" in himself seems to be gone. Rumple sure has his Powers and is still plenty of Evil, but he is lacking the insane side of him that got lost in the transfer to Storybrook. I wonder if he would ever return to that state if they got back to the enchanted Forest. Speaking of his old self, do you Guys think he still can see possible Futures?

Mrja84
October 8th, 2013, 07:58 AM
I would say that is because the "Dark one" in himself seems to be gone. Rumple sure has his Powers and is still plenty of Evil, but he is lacking the insane side of him that got lost in the transfer to Storybrook. I wonder if he would ever return to that state if they got back to the enchanted Forest. Speaking of his old self, do you Guys think he still can see possible Futures?

I think when the Seer gave him that it was a one-time thing. At the very least he didn't keep that power for very long as he admited it was a curse more than a blessing.

As for his acting, he was plently eveil without acitng like a cheery imp. That's not showing him as insane, he was never insane. His old Rumpel self was acting like that, to me it seemed, like someone playing with their food.

rushy
October 8th, 2013, 02:40 PM
I think when the Seer gave him that it was a one-time thing. At the very least he didn't keep that power for very long as he admited it was a curse more than a blessing.

As for his acting, he was plently eveil without acitng like a cheery imp. That's not showing him as insane, he was never insane. His old Rumpel self was acting like that, to me it seemed, like someone playing with their food.

Don't be daft, of course he kept the seer power. He mentions it to Henry in "Manhattan" and it's also how he finds out about Emma returning to Storybrooke in 28 years' time in "Pilot".

Mrja84
October 8th, 2013, 04:17 PM
Then nothing should surprise him and he does seem surprised by how events have unfolded. I highly doubt at this moment he has the seer's powers. I believe he only had it for as long as he needed to get the necessary information to create the curse so it did its job.

If he knew Emma was going to return to Storybrooke, why did he have to ask Snow and Charming her name?

#OffTopic, great signature!

tomstone
October 8th, 2013, 07:20 PM
Then nothing should surprise him and he does seem surprised by how events have unfolded. I highly doubt at this moment he has the seer's powers. I believe he only had it for as long as he needed to get the necessary information to create the curse so it did its job.

If he knew Emma was going to return to Storybrooke, why did he have to ask Snow and Charming her name?

#OffTopic, great signature!

I suppose seeing does not include hearing. So he may be able to see different outcomes, but he is missing completly the context since they are all Pictures.

Also I remember the Seer saying that he would learn to differenciate with enough time. So that Power was supposed to be permanent and we have not seen any scene where he got rid of it.

To the insane bit. Sorry, but I use the wrong words at times. All I meant is that this Impish side of him got lost and I find it a bit odd. In Storybrook I could understand why everyone stayed in their cursed Forms like the Fairy Godmother and Rumple for example, but I was expecting him to turn back in a Land of magic.

rushy
October 8th, 2013, 09:06 PM
I suppose seeing does not include hearing. So he may be able to see different outcomes, but he is missing completly the context since they are all Pictures.

Also I remember the Seer saying that he would learn to differenciate with enough time. So that Power was supposed to be permanent and we have not seen any scene where he got rid of it.

To the insane bit. Sorry, but I use the wrong words at times. All I meant is that this Impish side of him got lost and I find it a bit odd. In Storybrook I could understand why everyone stayed in their cursed Forms like the Fairy Godmother and Rumple for example, but I was expecting him to turn back in a Land of magic.

Perhaps it's a gradual thing. It doesn't need to happen straight away.

Ripple in Space
October 9th, 2013, 09:25 AM
What do you think "his undoing" or whatever the prophecy about Henry & Rumple really means?

I really doubt they'll kill off Rumple... Do you think it means he'll lose his powers? Or his demeanor of little guilt for killing all those people?

Mrja84
October 9th, 2013, 09:53 AM
I suppose seeing does not include hearing. So he may be able to see different outcomes, but he is missing completly the context since they are all Pictures.

Also I remember the Seer saying that he would learn to differenciate with enough time. So that Power was supposed to be permanent and we have not seen any scene where he got rid of it.

To the insane bit. Sorry, but I use the wrong words at times. All I meant is that this Impish side of him got lost and I find it a bit odd. In Storybrook I could understand why everyone stayed in their cursed Forms like the Fairy Godmother and Rumple for example, but I was expecting him to turn back in a Land of magic.

I agree, but the curse is still in effect though, right? I mean Storybrooke is still cut off from the rest of the world in terms of no Fairytale character can leave. So the curse is not fully broken, heck, if it was shouldn't they have gone back to FTL?

And they keep telling Emma she's the savior...that implies some continued destiny on her part. Henry wasn't just born to make her come back to Storybrooke, right?

I would have thought leaving Storybrooke meant some resurgance of his power, but maybe that's causes he's been touched by Belle's love? He's in the middle, not quite free.

rushy
October 9th, 2013, 12:10 PM
I would have thought leaving Storybrooke meant some resurgance of his power, but maybe that's causes he's been touched by Belle's love? He's in the middle, not quite free.

Well, we did see him get rid of his Walking Stick Of Doom(was it so hard to heal his leg back in Storybrooke?). That had to mean something.

VampyreWraith
October 11th, 2013, 03:47 PM
I really enjoyed this episode. I liked the little talk that Hook and Regina had about being villains and getting happy endings. I liked Neal in this episode; I usually don't him that much, but I really enjoyed his scenes with Mulan and Aurora. I also liked the kid who plays Peter Pan, I think the does a really good job playing a dark version of the character.

garhkal
October 12th, 2013, 11:46 AM
Well, we did see him get rid of his Walking Stick Of Doom(was it so hard to heal his leg back in Storybrooke?). That had to mean something.

Perhaps he likes it.. Gives him an air of being 'vunerable'..
But then again, he also never seemed to heal it when he was the 'dark one' back in the enchanted forest.

Mrja84
October 14th, 2013, 08:51 AM
Perhaps he likes it.. Gives him an air of being 'vunerable'..
But then again, he also never seemed to heal it when he was the 'dark one' back in the enchanted forest.

Well, once he was the Dark One, he stopped using the cane. But maybe as long as he was the Dark One he couldn't heal it as his body was different, plus he never planned to be stay human.

rushy
October 14th, 2013, 12:15 PM
Well, once he was the Dark One, he stopped using the cane. But maybe as long as he was the Dark One he couldn't heal it as his body was different, plus he never planned to be stay human.

He could've kept the injury as a sort of monument that he's not a coward and will do anything for Bae.

garhkal
October 14th, 2013, 01:12 PM
That might be a good point. It was one of the few times he did something unselfish (getting himself injured so he would not have orphaned his son)..