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mi_guard
May 27th, 2013, 02:40 PM
I think we should have a thread where we can start speculate and later on add news and possible spoilers for Grimm Season 3. Hope you all agree :)

Note for the mods: If you don't agree, just delete this thread.

FreeRadical
June 1st, 2013, 09:35 PM
I has speculation :) I'm just getting it in order, then I can post with confidence. NO SPOILER TAGS!! MWUAHAHAHA!!

mr_kennedy
June 2nd, 2013, 02:09 AM
Just finished season 1 not bad Grimm not bad

Hyndara71
June 2nd, 2013, 02:12 AM
I has speculation :) I'm just getting it in order, then I can post with confidence. NO SPOILER TAGS!! MWUAHAHAHA!!

Can't await to read yours and compare them with mine :)

FreeRadical
June 2nd, 2013, 12:16 PM
All right, there are a lot of ways this could be resolved, but I think one of these seems most likely. I don't have it worked out very far, the farther it goes the more circumstances can change. I think that Nick will get mailed to Eric's castle. If Samedi is working for the Royals, it seems highly unlikely that Rosalee is the only one with a cure. In my darkest heart of whumper hearts I am hoping that they keep him in the dungeon for a while. :) Eventually he will be rescued by -- y'all ready for this? -- HIS MOTHER. BOOM! If they mail him to Europe, his mother should be there to rescue him. Alternatively, they could leave him as a violent zombie with souped-up Grimm powers and send him after the Rebellion. In which case, he could still get rescued by his mother. Either of these could be cool, and the dungeon in particular would be a nice, violent way for him to meet the Royal families. If Eric was torturing him, Nick would be able to witness the insanity up close. ("I'm on the PHONE!") Also, if that is what they do, Juliette could be the one who tracks down/contacts his mother. This would give her a chance to take part and be useful. :)
I have no idea what will happen with Adalind, but I hope she gets to be sinister.

Hyndara71
June 2nd, 2013, 12:51 PM
Interesting as it mostly matches with my hopes - except the Kelly-part. Yes, I know she's supposed to be back in season 3. My problem is Kelly overall. If you read the episode threads you know what I mean: I doubt she's the real Kelly. Yes, she's a Grimm like Nick, yes, she probably knew his parents. But Marie was ways too much mother for him to lie to him during all these years like Kelly told Nick she had. At one point Marie had said something.
About the rest ... as i said, I HOPED they would go this way, especially because this would give Nick also the chance to learn more about the keys (and probably get the ones the Renards have). But after Norberto told about the cancelled plans to go to Europe for filming season 3 my bet is on another rescue by Sean Renard and I only hope Eric will manage to flee before he will be killed.

Well, whumpers and their dreams. How long we had to wait until Andre blinded Nick in 2.15? The last 10 minutes were shining *sigh*.

mi_guard
June 2nd, 2013, 12:59 PM
Frankly I also would like to see Kelly come back and help rescuing Nick. I can't imagine that she's not his real mom. I think more that Marie did not have the best opinion of her own sister and thought that it would best if Nick thought she's dead. Just hope she's not working for the Royal families, maybe for another one. :S

About the whole discussion of bringing Nick to Europe. There is one possibility nobody has mentioned so far: Shipping him in the container he's already in.

Hyndara71
June 2nd, 2013, 01:28 PM
I thought that through, mi_guard. In fact I think I really have thought every possible and impossible possibility. Shipping isn't an option, or not the whole way to Europe, as Nick will wake up at one point IF he will react like the other zombies. Then we would have a revival of 2.01 but this time with Nick ripping others into pieces.

So I thought, as, as you mentioned, he IS already in a container, they could put this container on a truck or ship and bring him to San Francisco or LA to bring him there to a plane and fly him to Europe. Ways to difficult, but (for me) an option as if they would use more than 1 container, they could confuse Renard who's chasing the wrong containers down while Nick is on a plane to Europe.

Another possibility would have been, two containers with the same fill: a coffin. Both on trucks into opposite directions. Renard chases one down, get in in hope to find "his" Grimm, instead he's attacked by that Lucas-Hundjäger (as we don't know what happened to him after he entered the sky-train).

Another destiny for Lucas:
He's killed, I mean dead-dead as in never coming back. Again, two containers, Renard is lead to the second one to find a decapitated body with Nick's clothing and paperwork in it - Lucas, as he has the same height, weight and looks like the same age than Nick. In this case Renard could 1) accused himself for killing his detective, 2) really believing Nick has met his destiny. Meanwhile Nick is in Europe.

Next possibility: The trap for Nick was only the top and Nick in coffin is the bait for Renard. And, very predictible, Renard comes in to rescue Nick, get trapped himself. I doubt Eric would kill him or kidnap him too but surely he would ask the Baron to turn Renard into a zombie to leave him behind (damaging his carreer). Would work and the GrimmGang could rescue Renard while Nick will be on the plane to Europe.

FreeRadical
June 2nd, 2013, 06:23 PM
Oh, the blinding episode was fantastic. . . By the time the end credits rolled I was freaking out, doing a little happy dance and making embarrassing fangirl noises.

What if there's something in the coffin or in the container to keep him asleep? Some sort of potion or substance to delay his awakening? I'm not a fan of Kelly, I just think it's most likely, if he gets to Europe, that she will rescue him. It might be better this time, though. Nick, the "alternative" Grimm, with an old-school Grimm in "the old country," as it were? AND with the Royals! As violent as Kelly was in Portland, think how many things there are in Europe that she might want to kill! In Portland, Nick has a support network. Most of the harmless Wesen seem to know by now that Nick won't hurt them. He has Wesen friends who stand up for him. The word is out that he's not the monster under the bed. In Europe, with all the old traditions still in effect, Nick would be a bogeyman. As far as we know, the Wesen in Portland have never met a Grimm before. They know the legends, but until they meet him it's not quite real. We know there are other Grimms in Europe, the Reapers have been killing them, so the Wesen there are more likely to live in constant fear of decapitation. Could be very interesting.
If he doesn't get sent to Europe, Kelly could still be there in a revenge capacity, striking at the royals for hurting her boy. . . Or not. Does she actually care about him, or is she too much of a psychopath? It's even possible that Nick could escape/be rescued, and that the Royals take her in revenge/for information. Maybe she'll die protecting him. . .
Until 3.01 airs, who knows what could happen? :)

Hyndara71
June 3rd, 2013, 02:58 AM
I like the Muse a bit better, but I think that mostly because Chloe wasn't killed in the end. I really had a crush on Andre and I hoped he would survive - well, I was sooo wrong :(.

I had a guess about Kelly coming back in season 3 (as it was mentioned now several times) but I never had her in mind for Europe. One thing I've overseen *yay!*:

My guess was about the Lucas as faked-Nick-body. That the GrimmGang is somehow contacting her, Monroe could know her email or Nick's password or both, and informing her that Nick is dead. Kelly comes to Portland to burry her son - and finds out, it isn't Nick. I'm not sure if she would help Renard - if he would be accused for the murder - but I'm pretty sure she will search hell if she need to find Nick.
Well, on that way she also could return to Europe and probably taking the GrimmGang with her, don't know.

Well, probably the new official photo-set (when released) will give us a little hind as it also did for season 2 with Bitsie in the glass-coffin. Hehe, just imagine now David in one :D *very happy whumper*

As I've said in the other thread, I doubt they will go this way (Nick in Europe as Eric's prisoner). To trap him down was simple because Nick IS predictible (talking 'bout Kelly, what did she say to him at the end of 2.01: We won't be predictible). What keeps me wonder is, how accurate this trap was made, every possibility was included. Heck, the Baron seemed not a little surprised that Nick brought three others with him!
You know when the trap started? The moment Wu and Franco were attacked by that Coyotl-zombie. But ... where the heck Samedi had all this informations from? He knew everything, at least WHEN he had to start to run to keep Nick on his heels! He had a NEW photo of Nick! That is something that is turning around and around in my mind:
The Baron did a perfect job and Eric not? Where they had their infos from?

My guess (I only cannot proof that): there's a spy near the ScoobyGang/Nick/Renard. It's the only logical explanation - that or Eric has a magic-mirror to spy out Nick and the others (what I doubt as it looked like Eric had seen Nick never before when he looked at him in the coffin).

mi_guard
June 3rd, 2013, 01:05 PM
and what if he got the picture through Adalind?

Hyndara71
June 3rd, 2013, 01:15 PM
and what if he got the picture through Adalind?

And where Adalind has it from? I doubt that Renard runs around with passport-photos of his officers/detectives in his purse.

And it still doesn't explain why the Baron knew so much about Nick. And not only Samedi, also Eric seems to know a lot about Nick. His questions about the Grimm sounds somehow weird to me.

mi_guard
June 4th, 2013, 02:07 AM
what if he has it from Kelly? :S

no, because otherwise Eric would also have the coins and he does not look as if he had them

no idea

who could be a traitor? maybe another wesen working for the police which neither Nick nor Renard know about

Hyndara71
June 4th, 2013, 04:28 AM
IF Kelly is working for a royal family it isn't for the Renards. When it comes down to her, my guess is more about the Dragon's Tongue. So, if someone has the coins from her, he/she is in Asia.
I don't know, yesterday I rewatched all episodes in order where Eric is in, I only wanted to KNOW what could be on his mind.

My thoughts:
- first Eric saw Nick as a harassment, something he wanted to get rid off. He send (and I'm sure HE was the one behind it) the Mauvais Dente and the Nuckalevee to kill Nick and bring him the key. But the Nuckalevee had a second order: he also spied Nick and the GrimmGang out. I'm sure he gave his information to Eric off screen, as the poor guy didn't had a word to say on screen.
- when Adalind meets Eric she mentions Nick and Eric is suddenly very interested in her
- later in that episode we see them both in Eric's castle, sharing "odd storys" about the past. That's the first time we learn something about how Sean ended up in Portland - but, with the knowledge of 2.22, it is also very obvicious, that Eric is very interested in Nick as he again asked Adalind about him and how he'd managed to kill her Hexenbiest (so he knew that too)
- 2.16 Adalind's return to Eric's castle, telling him about that she didn't have the key. Eric put that aside, asking her about if she would have told Sean about the consequences. Adalind said "I told him, if he refuse the Grimm would told the truth about him." Eric's reaction is interesting (and I remember, I stumbled about that during the original run): "Didn't I say: No more games?"
- same scene, only half a minute later, when Eric decides to go to Portland himself he tells Adalind: "It is time for the Grimm to (choose?/chase?) the truth between my brother and me." Sorry, sometimes I've a slide problem understanding James, but I've reheard and reheard this sentence - because it doesn't make much sense to me.
- 2.22 I'm also stumbling over Eric. After the Baron zombifizied Lucas Eric says: "Let the Games begin!" Not the game, the plural. Why the plural here?
- 2.22 Dinner-scene with Sean - I really, really, really don't like that slide smile in Eric's face, when he opens the door to the living-room of his suite.
- 2.22 Dinner itself: Eric seems to be very impressed and interested in everything related to Nick while, again, the key he puts aside with a "I'll give you a little more time - for the FAMILY!"

I think Eric has something in mind for Sean too. As I said earlier, Nick in the coffin is only a bait for Sean. BUT Eric also has something in mind for Nick. He WANTS to own him, the Grimm, not the key.
As far as I understand Eric he sees the situation as a sort of big Chess-game. To get Nick from Sean would mean he's taking away an important pawn out of the game.
Yes, the key is important, also to Eric, but he knows, if he can manage to bring Nick under his control he also has the control over the key. Otherwise this try to ship Nick elsewhere doesn't make any sense to me.

I'm also thinking about the last talk between the GrimmGang at the SpiceShop, when Nick told Monroe and Rosalee about the Revolution. Thinking about that and the dinner-scene, when Eric mentioned their father in an ... odd way for my opinion ... I don't know. Maybe I'm overthinking this.
On the other side I'm still stumbling over Eric at the dinner scene when he's this noisy and ... heck, when I see him getting into his car and Sean is sitting in his watching this I have a bad feeling.

Saying that I feel the need to look through Eric's eyes now ... I smell another fanfic coming

peppersasen
June 4th, 2013, 10:35 AM
*skips into the playground*

hello, Nick needs start dating wesens in S3. or something. like that Musai girl. she needs to come back. i loved that Musai girl with him. they were so hot and dysfunctional together.

did i just basically ask to get myself beat up here? hm.

*slowly and quietly walks backwards out of the sandbox*

mi_guard
June 4th, 2013, 01:15 PM
For season 3 we should see again Ariel (?) the dragon girl

Hyndara71
June 4th, 2013, 02:18 PM
She was announced to come back in season 2 but she didn't :(. I liked her - ways more than creepy Chloe.

blueray
June 4th, 2013, 05:15 PM
For season 3 we should see again Ariel (?) the dragon girl

I agree, especially the way that they left it. I at one point was thinking if Juilett and Nick don't get back together it would be interesting with her making an appearance, since you think about it she what she did was for her father to feel good, sure it was disturbing but from her pov it made sense, but obviously Juliette and Nick did get back together.

FreeRadical
June 5th, 2013, 03:07 PM
"Let the games begin" is a common phrase. I can't imagine someone saying "let the game begin," even if it is singular. "Let the games begin" is more or less a way of saying "now the fun can start," though it is mostly used semi-sarcastically by super villains. Quirk of the English language. Very weird language, English. Annoyingly non-specific.
Is it possible that they want the Grimm to work for them, but that he has to prove himself first? Sending killers after him is a way of weeding out the weak? Gah, I need to watch the whole season again. It's turning into a blur. . .

Hyndara71
June 5th, 2013, 04:34 PM
I know it's common but in this situation "Games" sound weird. As I've said, I don't like that cold little smile in Erics face when he turns his back to Sean. They'd done a perfect job in trapping Nick, it would be a shame if the whole thing would blow now because Eric was too self-confident. What I doubt, especially after I've rewatched the episodes with him.
yup, he isn't the nicest person on Earth but he's intelligent. I doubt that he would risk such a plan for nothing than overestimation.

To quote Eric another time (2.22 Dinner-scene): "He's (The Grimm) tremendously effective and had proofen himself as more than worthy for the family." Doesn't sound to me like he would do normal smalltalk - even with his standards. Eric is impressed and with that he also said (more or less) that he was the one behind the Mauvais Dente and the Nuckalevee. "Killing two Reapers and sending their heads back made a hell of impression! He (The Grimm) killed a Mauvais Dente aaand a Nuckalevee."

My guess: Eric will Nick as his ... let us be kind and call it "not so freely choosed bodyguard/assassin". Eric definetely wants Nick on "his side". For what exactly ... don't know.

Hyndara71
June 12th, 2013, 08:41 AM
Well, Russell already bumped the cliffhanger. "Bring Nick back to life" - yah, that's a problem as no other of the victims returned to life *rolls eyes*. My guess was right: Renard will be there to save Nick's butt again. Now I'm pissed and really want to give my Grimmster-badge back :(

Klenotka
June 15th, 2013, 04:26 AM
I don´t have a problem with Renard saving Nick. But I don´t think it will become right away.
I have a hope that Nick´s reaction won´t be as normal humans´ reaction. Grimms are more resistent so he may just be more obedient or violent once he gets out of the weird dead/coma state. It could very well free his true nature as a Grimm. I think that´s what Eric wants. Nick´s loyalty. Renard could be there for him, to keep Nick "Nick", or at least try.
I would be excited to see David face the challenge of an inner fight and later facing consequences of things he has done for Eric.

MasySyma
June 15th, 2013, 05:34 AM
That could work. Also, the writers sometimes use "conflict" to mean strenuous discussion. There were tons of rumors about Monroe-Nick conflict in the finale that didn't manifest in the episode.

When solving the Juliet arc, the writers dropped Hank's sometimes obvious discomfort with the violence of the Grimm's history. There will be natural sources of conflict as Nick becomes more powerful or if Mama Grimm and her worldview returns.

Hank can provide a balance. It is easy for Grimms to go rogue, but with Monroe and Hank helping keep Nick in balance, he can remain "good" and continue to have Wesen as friends and not move outside of the law entirely.

blueray
June 15th, 2013, 10:40 AM
I don´t have a problem with Renard saving Nick. But I don´t think it will become right away.
I have a hope that Nick´s reaction won´t be as normal humans´ reaction. Grimms are more resistent so he may just be more obedient or violent once he gets out of the weird dead/coma state. It could very well free his true nature as a Grimm. I think that´s what Eric wants. Nick´s loyalty. Renard could be there for him, to keep Nick "Nick", or at least try.
I would be excited to see David face the challenge of an inner fight and later facing consequences of things he has done for Eric.

I like this idea. It will be nice to see his true grimm side come out and it would make sense if Eric simply wants him loyal to him. I doubt he wants a zombie running around his castle, so maybe that means Nick will act differently than the others. did. And I like the idea of him regretting something that he did (and maybe something that he doesn't talk to others about).

Hyndara71
June 15th, 2013, 01:10 PM
I don´t have a problem with Renard saving Nick. But I don´t think it will become right away.
I have a hope that Nick´s reaction won´t be as normal humans´ reaction. Grimms are more resistent so he may just be more obedient or violent once he gets out of the weird dead/coma state. It could very well free his true nature as a Grimm. I think that´s what Eric wants. Nick´s loyalty. Renard could be there for him, to keep Nick "Nick", or at least try.
I would be excited to see David face the challenge of an inner fight and later facing consequences of things he has done for Eric.

No, Nick could probably react more violent when he awakes, here I'm with you. Or, my guess, Renard will kill Samedi and with that all zombies will be alive again - and so will Nick *rolls eyes*.
Beside, I still have a problem with Renard *again* saving Nick's ass. The show is called Grimm not Renard. Renard has saved Nick now ...22 times. That's 1 complete season and that is ways too much for me. As I've said I don't have a problem with Renard teaming up with the others to find Nick and bring him back - but after Russell bursted that bubble it's pretty obvicious what will happen:
Renard is one of two: At the container-yard (what I doubt) or at the airport (my guess). Eric is stupid enough to try to bring Nick with his plane out of the country and Renard will come between that, kill Samedi and probably Eric (I hope not!) and bring Nick back to the city. Maybe Nick can tell him about the others, just in case the zombies are still zombies, or Renard will guess where they came from and that Monroe, Rosalee and Juliette are still trapped at that yard. IF Nick is still in that Dämmerzustand Renard will need Rosalee. End of story.

Seriously, my guess for Eric wanting Nick is more about using him as assassin for his Father - and maybe others. But first of all, with kidnapping Nick Eric takes something from Renard that he (Eric) thinks is Renards ... property. Angry, evil Grimm won't be loyal, about that I'm pretty sure.

Klenotka
June 16th, 2013, 05:47 AM
I am not sure where Renard saved Nick in the past? Yes, he helped and also sometimes worked behind Nick´s back but directly saved him? I don´t really remember that *needs a rewatch*

I would love to see some Renard´s support in a style of Nick really trying to hold it together and Renard keep telling him "hold on". I think Renard still follows his own agenda but needs Nick and to be honest, for Nick, to have a royal on his side, could help in the future.

Hyndara71
June 16th, 2013, 02:28 PM
1.01-1.02 Renard was inconsequent and saved with that Nick
1.04 Renard told the Reaper to go or he would kill him
1.08 Okay, only visible in the deleted scenes but Renard told Stark to stand back
1.10 Renard actually shot that Geier who otherwise had killed Nick (and probably Hank)
1.12 True, not first handed as he wanted to teach the Löwen respect but with letting Leo kill by that priest Renard also saved Nick's ass
1.17 Renard killed his cousin to protect Nick from being killed
2.01 Renard kills Kimura BEFORE Kimura can tell anyone about Kelly
2.02 Renard comes along when the FBI tries the first time to get hold on Nick/Renard tells Eric to leave Nick alone - and gets threaten by Eric
2.04 Renard tells Nick about the Nuckalevee
2.05 Renard knows pretty well who killed the Nuckalevee but keeps his mouth shut
2.11 Renard knows Hank and Nick are still on that case but keeps silence
2.13 The fight between Nick and Renard, Renard ... well, he barely protects himself/Renard holds the key but doesn't give it to Adalind because he thinks it's the only thing keeping Nick and him alive/Renard HELPS Nick to include Juliette in that "cure"
2,16 Renard more or less warns Nick about the Fuchsteufelwild after Hank tells them about his feelings
2.17 Renard tells Nick and Hank about that Hundjäger he shot and warns them to be careful
2.18 Renard actually HELPS Nick and Monroe fighting Volcanaris
2.20 Renard keeps Nick from killing Anton/lets Juliette try to "heal" Nick in the end (usually he should have to shot him in that situation)

Yes, I know I'm counting things into this that doesn't go through as help with others. But this is bothering me and at least it IS help to cover for Nick, no matter if this was self-defense or not.

Klenotka
June 16th, 2013, 02:53 PM
I thought we are talking only about saving life directly. I don´t think Renard not telling anyone that Nick killed a Nuckelavee is saving? In most cases, Renard was helping himself. Exposing Nick or getting him suspended, wouldn´t help him. Mostly, he followed his own interests. Even with helping Juliette - he said that. She is the only reason he is in Portland and if something should happen to her, he would leave. I am talking about a real support, a moral, physical help, not "help" where he helps to himself.

Hyndara71
June 16th, 2013, 04:28 PM
I would say Renard forced the situation with still interfering while Eric had warned him. I've just made a season 2 marathon and watched especially the scene with or about Eric with special interest (because I want to write a fanfic about him). Eric's interest awakes right after he learned about the death of the Mauvais Dente. My impression is now, with the knowledge about 2.21-2.22 that the Nuckalevee was mostly sent out to spy after Nick and to search the key, NOT to kill Nick. I think that guy lost his patience with the attack. Maybe he wanted to ... bring Nick to tell him where he had the key after he didn't find it anywhere.
Seriously, I don't think Renard always thought about his own ass, especially when it came to the "killers" he was getting very protective. And for me his "not help" was definetely too much help. As I've said before, slowly the writing is fixing around Renard and Eric with Nick as ... thing in the middle, toy, tool, whatever but seriously not human. It would be interesting to see how ERic would treat Nick after Sean ... well, since they are "allies" he tend to treat Nick like his property. But we know, not going to happen. I only hope, Eric will survive 3.01. It would be such a shame to loose him

MasySyma
June 16th, 2013, 04:36 PM
I thought we are talking only about saving life directly. I don´t think Renard not telling anyone that Nick killed a Nuckelavee is saving? In most cases, Renard was helping himself. Exposing Nick or getting him suspended, wouldn´t help him. Mostly, he followed his own interests. Even with helping Juliette - he said that. She is the only reason he is in Portland and if something should happen to her, he would leave. I am talking about a real support, a moral, physical help, not "help" where he helps to himself.

I think it also depends if Nick knows about the help. That rules all of Season 1 out. Nick only knew who pulled some of those strings in Season 2.

Also, it matters if Nick sees the captain as someone who can rescue him in a time of need, and so far, he doesn't. They worked together grudgingly in Natural Born Wesen and Volcanis, but those are their biggest overtures so far. Nick doesn't trust Renard.

Renard was only involved in Kiss of the Muse because of Hank. Nick didn't ask for his help.

While Renard seems likely to have the connections to help Nick out of this jam, he doesn't rely on the captain all of the time. He relies on Monroe and Rosalee far more. Besides, it shouldn't be about if he needs help, should it?

In fairy tales, heroes always have help.

Besides, Renard and Nick are barely allies now, and they certainly won't stay that way.

Klenotka
June 17th, 2013, 11:28 AM
Hyn, I think that´s who Grimms were and are. I am not saying Nick should serve Renard (and nothing suggests that he would do it or does it, I didn´t notice anything like it, sorry) but maybe, and I am going to assume that Grimms are somehow "evolved" people, mixed blood with Wesen to see them, who were born with the need to serve Royals? Yes, they used to be knights and important but still servants. Maybe they (Eric and others?) want Nick because he tries to break that rule?
I actually had an idea the other day, about a fanfiction of my own (that I am never going to write but I can dream :D). Two, three seasons (if only!), Nick could actually face consequences - face the other Grimms for breaking rules. Maybe they have their own laws and system, a trial of some sort. I would love to see them develop more the story about relationship between Grimms and Royals. I hope they will show us more.

FreeRadical
July 9th, 2013, 05:49 PM
Rethinking, there is something ominous about Eric saying "Let the games begin." Like "killing" Nick is just the opening gambit of a much grander chess game. Which begs the question, what else does he have planned? And who is he planning to do it to?

My big question for season 3, though, is: are we going to see more of Nick-has-super-hearing, or is it going to be Sam-can-use-Goa'uld-technology all over again? Because that would be reeeeeeeally annoying.

Hyndara71
July 10th, 2013, 04:11 AM
So, sorry for my long absence. My laptop broke in May and my cell and internet don't mix that great.

So, what's new here? Everybody read the interview TPTB gave? Whatcha think about it?

Hyndara71
July 10th, 2013, 04:14 AM
Rethinking, there is something ominous about Eric saying "Let the games begin." Like "killing" Nick is just the opening gambit of a much grander chess game. Which begs the question, what else does he have planned? And who is he planning to do it to?

My big question for season 3, though, is: are we going to see more of Nick-has-super-hearing, or is it going to be Sam-can-use-Goa'uld-technology all over again? Because that would be reeeeeeeally annoying.

That is an interesting option, especially after what I just learned Jim and David are planing. Looks like Nick would wake up all on his own, IF this (lovely) bastards are right, and would also be able to find his way home all alone. But he has issues - mentally *evil grin*

Klenotka
July 11th, 2013, 11:11 AM
Evil Nick, me likes :D

blueray
July 11th, 2013, 11:26 AM
I'm not so sure if I want "evil" but I definitely want bad-ass Nick.

FreeRadical
July 16th, 2013, 01:18 AM
Which interview, specifically? I've been reading so many they all run together. If you're talking about the spoiler-intense one you posted on the other thread, my thoughts would be *squeeeeeeeee!*

I'm very much hoping Monroe's parents meet Nick. That could be epic.

Regarding the Evil Nick possibility, there are so many lovely options. *rubs hands together with evil glee* While the chances seem to be getting slimmer and slimmer, I'm still holding out hope that Nick will wind up at Eric's castle. Ooh, what if the zombie thing isn't quite the same for Grimms? It made the people we saw earlier crazy violent, but what if it turns him into, like, a Grimmbot? "Bidi_Bidi_Must_Kill_All_Wesen." He could be pretty scary. Gah, I can't even begin to guess what's going to happen with this!

Detail to keep in mind that TPTB may overlook: Wu got bitten by a zombie. Consequences? After the whole thing with him eating his couch, there's no telling what this might do to him.

blueray
July 16th, 2013, 05:18 AM
I forgot about Wu being bitten. I hope they do something with that.

mi_guard
July 18th, 2013, 03:01 PM
https://twitter.com/BitsieTulloch/status/357419454163988480/photo/1

https://twitter.com/BitsieTulloch/status/357409279722004480/photo/1

didn't exactly know where to post these pic, so I posted them here

from Bitsie's twitter account

Hyndara71
July 18th, 2013, 03:58 PM
You forgot the last one from yesterday, mi:
http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac88/Hyndara71/Grimm%20David%20Giuntoli/th_btsbree301_zpsf364bba8.jpg (http://s888.photobucket.com/user/Hyndara71/media/Grimm%20David%20Giuntoli/btsbree301_zpsf364bba8.jpg.html)

IceIsNice
July 20th, 2013, 11:51 PM
I forgot about Wu being bitten. I hope they do something with that.
I don't think bites from the zombies do anything other than hurt

Hyndara71
July 21st, 2013, 02:05 AM
I don't think bites from the zombies do anything other than hurt

That's also what I think. Those zombies are still human or Wesen. If they were not carrying a sickness I doubt there would be any reaction.

FreeRadical
July 23rd, 2013, 12:29 AM
But wouldn't it rock if there was? Wu is so hapless, there's no telling what could happen :) I only got to watch the episode once, did they specify what the green stuff is and how it works?

Hyndara71
July 23rd, 2013, 08:34 AM
But wouldn't it rock if there was? Wu is so hapless, there's no telling what could happen :) I only got to watch the episode once, did they specify what the green stuff is and how it works?

They did. It's a mixture from different hallucinogens and poisoning stuff. Main indegrient is the poison of the blow-fish *wondering why* *kidding

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
July 23rd, 2013, 12:20 PM
seems like the grimm gang is back together for another world wind adventure.

Hyndara71
July 24th, 2013, 03:04 AM
What makes me curious is the "another spit of green stuff". Doesn't sound like the GrimmGang would be around when Nick is going crazy but somehow the Baron. Gah, can we have a fast forward to October, please?

blueray
July 24th, 2013, 06:16 AM
Maybe Nick will spit green stuff. That would be interesting if he was capable of turning someone just like the wesen is.

Hyndara71
July 24th, 2013, 03:30 PM
I'm just writing the transcript for GrimmFrance. This is what Dave (Greenwalt) said:


He's definitely going to the dark side. And he might get another face full of green spit before it's all over. And he's gonna be like you'll have never seen him before. He's a bit of a monster.

That doesn't sound like Nick would spit green stuff, more than the Baron has to give him the double dose to hold him under control.

blueray
July 25th, 2013, 05:41 AM
oh I see, yeah that does sound like he's having trouble controlling Nick.

Hyndara71
July 25th, 2013, 08:24 AM
Yeah, Mr. G. told what will happen. Nick will accidently wake up and they will have a huge job to control him. But who and where is still the secret. Call me crazy but I hope inside the plane somewhere high above the ocean. Would explain the mermaids ...

FreeRadical
July 27th, 2013, 08:03 AM
What mermaids? What did I miss?

Hyndara71
July 27th, 2013, 08:52 AM
One of the Wesen-spoilers for season 3 contains mermaids.

IceIsNice
July 30th, 2013, 10:19 PM
I think the mermaids will be a little later in the season

Hyndara71
July 31st, 2013, 02:19 AM
Dave G(reenwalt) didn't say when only that. Could be later, my hope is still now and that Nick probably is on the loose inside the plane to let it crash. Well, we'll see ...

FreeRadical
August 20th, 2013, 12:39 AM
I have a new theory. I was watching some of the fight scenes again, and I don't know anyone who can fight that well. It's not just the skills; it's about being able to think on your feet. What if Grimms are some sort of primal predators; perfectly designed to hunt Wesen since the beginning of time? Being able to see them would be part of that. What if, in a life or death battle, they bypass conscious thought to tap into the primal instincts of a born predator? Thoughts?

Klenotka
August 20th, 2013, 10:21 AM
We talked about a theory, a while ago, that Grimms may have been...made, sort of, by mixing Wesen and humans. We don´t really know where they came from and apparently were around *before* the actual Brothers Grimms, so they may have been around for a while and only Grimms (who were the Wesen hunters) gave their "kind" a name. I wish they would address it. I am sure we will know more soon but these hints here and there are a little annoying :)

blueray
August 20th, 2013, 10:58 AM
I definitely hope they address this because Nick (and his mom) seem to be stronger, faster and better fighters than any human. Nick also seems to fight better than wesen (at least most of them). I agree that it has something to do with instincts. As the show keeps going Nick has got increasingly more grimm and I hope this continues. While I never want to see him evil, I do like badass. It also makes sense that there is some tie between them and wesen.

FreeRadical
August 20th, 2013, 11:22 AM
It would also be fun to see how the super-hearing would affect his Grimm fighting abilities. . . if we ever see it again. Also, if his instincts DO bypass conscious thought, how will they be affected by his zombie-ness? Even though he has no idea what he's doing, could his fighting abilities remain intact? And could the zombie mind control be overridden by an ancient drive to destroy all Wesen? Could be wonderfully dark. Since the zombie thing would seem to suppress the conscious mind, it could leave him as a bundle of violent impulses and predatory instincts, which could be thrown into overdrive to compensate. These overpowering Grimm-stincts could even remain with him after he gets back to semi-normal, leaving him having to fight the drive to attack every Wesen he sees. Probably not what they'll do, but could be interesting.

blueray
August 20th, 2013, 11:51 AM
^that would be interesting. Especially random wesen he encounters at work that he doesn't care about (not so much Monroe and Rosilee).

mr_kennedy
August 30th, 2013, 07:46 AM
I would like more stories about the Grimm history, maybe some major enemy of Grimms from the past returning or whatever

I would also like it if Hank Became a Grimm, that way they could be complete partners, plus i kinda like hank

How about Vampires? or Witches?

IceIsNice
August 30th, 2013, 06:05 PM
Regarding Nick getting another face full of green spit:

In the brief footage around 18:38 in this video, it looks like Nick wakes up and charges Baron Samedi, which could result in more spit for Nick. Or Nick may not actually be around the Baron, but the clip was edited to make it look like he was.

2 whole seconds of season 3 footage around 18:38 (http://www.spoilertv.com/2013/08/nbc-primetime-preview-show-2013-various.html)

Hyndara71
August 31st, 2013, 10:07 AM
Regarding Nick getting another face full of green spit:

In the brief footage around 18:38 in this video, it looks like Nick wakes up and charges Baron Samedi, which could result in more spit for Nick. Or Nick may not actually be around the Baron, but the clip was edited to make it look like he was.

2 whole seconds of season 3 footage around 18:38 (http://www.spoilertv.com/2013/08/nbc-primetime-preview-show-2013-various.html)

I saw that too *iz nodding*. Well, he wakes up in the coffin, the Baron is on the plane. Wondering where Eric is (please NOT on the plane! I want my awesome evil Prince for season 3!)? It looks like Nick is after the Baron but I don't think it's so easy. As I say all the time, HOW Eric will transport the coffin to the airport? He needs some helping hands, and my guess, those are first around when Nick will awake, the Baron comes later (because Dave said at SDCC "spit of green stuff in his face to calm him down". I know, they are both huge lyers but I think there he's probably right, otherwise I've no idea how anyone will get on Nick without getting ripped into pieces ...

blueray
August 31st, 2013, 06:13 PM
Hm.. it looked like they were both on the plane but it may have been cut that way in the preview.

Hyndara71
September 2nd, 2013, 04:58 PM
Yes, they are both on the plane, but I hope there's a storage room where the coffin is while the Baron is surely in the passengers-part of it. We'll see. Now we can slowly start to count the days *finally!*

IceIsNice
September 2nd, 2013, 09:29 PM
Less than 53 days until season 3 starts!

Hyndara71
September 3rd, 2013, 06:02 AM
Less than 53 days until season 3 starts!

Okay, let's stick to the weeks, sounds better :P:
Less than 8 weeks *YAY!*

IceIsNice
September 3rd, 2013, 10:10 AM
I guess that's true haha

Hyndara71
September 4th, 2013, 04:02 PM
:lol:

IceIsNice
September 11th, 2013, 10:20 PM
So in TVLine's big spoiler article (http://tvline.com/2013/09/03/fall-tv-spoilers-2013-shows-ncis/#!19/grimm/) for pretty much every show last week they mentioned that Grimm was going to have an exorcism episode.

I wonder if that episode is "Stories We Tell Our Young" (episode 3.06). I'm only guessing because they are filming at a church right now for the episode. But the church could be for something else like in "The Good Shepherd" last season.

FreeRadical
November 29th, 2013, 01:51 PM
I was thinking about the Europe thing again, since the Royals never got Nick there.

What if they go to Europe looking for the vault? Every key must have a lock somewhere, and Monroe said he thought it was in the Black Forest. Opening the vault could be the season finale cliffhanger.

Thoughts?