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GateWorld
April 9th, 2013, 11:31 PM
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<FONT SIZE="1">EPISODE NUMBER - 104</FONT>
<DIV STYLE="margin-top:10px; padding:0;">Nolan and Irisa investigate “Hellbugs” that rip apart their victims from the inside-out, and learn that someone is using them as a weapon. Meanwhile, Irisa suffers from disturbing visions.</DIV>
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escyos
April 29th, 2013, 10:12 PM
Fantastic episode!

The hellbugs looked and sounded like they do in the game.

Not sure how I feel about Irisa's ability to see the past, sort of runs away from sci-fi and into fantasy, hopefully its some sort of advanced telepathic ability.

Gollumpus
April 29th, 2013, 11:49 PM
Perhaps a bit of a filler episode with some character and species development for Irisa and the Irathients.

1.) The guy going out for a run in that wilderness, alone and while listening to music, is a clear case of "evolution in action".

2.) The second guy to die gets hot oil poured on his chest, as in just fried up some crispy bacon hot oil, and he doesn't scream out the safe word? Did this guy bathe in lava?

3.) Why would Sukar refer to Irisa as "Little Wolf"? What does he know of wolves? Yes, I get that it is something that the audience can grasp, still, I would prefer that the writers had used an Irathient equivalent.

4.) I don't quite get how these hellbug pheromones were isolated and developed. When did she get the time/opportunity/resources etc. to do such a thing? Just because her father had training in the area of entomology doesn't mean that she would have this as well.

5.) I get the Romeo/Juliet aspect of Christie and Alak's relationship, but where does it go from here? Sure, they can get married, but I strongly doubt that they would ever be able to have children.

6.) Irisa and her abilities are something that could really take over the series. If the writers are smart they will find very good reasons to really restrict its use, or they will have to concoct reasons later in the series to not use it.

regards,
G.

escyos
April 30th, 2013, 12:15 AM
Perhaps a bit of a filler episode with some character and species development for Irisa and the Irathients.

1.) The guy going out for a run in that wilderness, alone and while listening to music, is a clear case of "evolution in action".

Huh?


2.) The second guy to die gets hot oil poured on his chest, as in just fried up some crispy bacon hot oil, and he doesn't scream out the safe word? Did this guy bathe in lava?

There are people who like being whipped until they bleed, enough said.


3.) Why would Sukar refer to Irisa as "Little Wolf"? What does he know of wolves? Yes, I get that it is something that the audience can grasp, still, I would prefer that the writers had used an Irathient equivalent.

Maybe he knew what wolves are, or maybe he was referring to saberwolves (the ones in the pilot)


4.) I don't quite get how these hellbug pheromones were isolated and developed. When did she get the time/opportunity/resources etc. to do such a thing? Just because her father had training in the area of entomology doesn't mean that she would have this as well.

In the game there are little things the hellbugs drop off that expel pheromones, if youy get some of them you could extract what you needed.


5.) I get the Romeo/Juliet aspect of Christie and Alak's relationship, but where does it go from here? Sure, they can get married, but I strongly doubt that they would ever be able to have children.

Since when does their love lead to children? Also we know that Humans and Irathients can interbreed so why not Castithans.


6.) Irisa and her abilities are something that could really take over the series. If the writers are smart they will find very good reasons to really restrict its use, or they will have to concoct reasons later in the series to not use it.

Yeah, not liking that one too much either.

Giantevilhead
April 30th, 2013, 04:24 AM
I really hope they don't make the Irathients into stereotypical nature lovers. It would make much more sense if they're experts in ecology and biology. Maybe they worked extensively on the terraforming technology and were responsible for making sure the tech creates a sustainable ecosystem.

min min light
April 30th, 2013, 06:23 AM
I agree on the psychic abilities - I am not keen on that development. I hope there's some reason it doesn't happen often - like the psychic-blocking version of consoles blowing up or transporters unable to get a lock. Only more ever-present. I enjoyed it overall though.

escyos
April 30th, 2013, 07:38 AM
I really hope they don't make the Irathients into stereotypical nature lovers. It would make much more sense if they're experts in ecology and biology. Maybe they worked extensively on the terraforming technology and were responsible for making sure the tech creates a sustainable ecosystem.

Actually they are defined as lovers of nature and tend to live in tents instead of houses. The Indogene were actually the ones who worked on the terraforming (and all other tech), you can read about their tests here: http://www.defiance.com/en/series/world-of-2046/invasion-timeline

Perelandra
April 30th, 2013, 07:51 AM
Fantastic episode!



Not sure how I feel about Irisa's ability to see the past, sort of runs away from sci-fi and into fantasy, hopefully its some sort of advanced telepathic ability.

I didn't care for that part of it -it just seems like it's been done to death in so many other sci-fi shows(i.e.Teyla,counseler Troi, ect)-otherwise I liked the episode a lot-esp. the dinner scene with Christie and Alak and his parents.

Perelandra
April 30th, 2013, 08:09 AM
Perhaps a bit of a filler episode with some character and species development for Irisa and the Irathients.

1.) The guy going out for a run in that wilderness, alone and while listening to music, is a clear case of "evolution in action".

2.) The second guy to die gets hot oil poured on his chest, as in just fried up some crispy bacon hot oil, and he doesn't scream out the safe word? Did this guy bathe in lava?

3.) Why would Sukar refer to Irisa as "Little Wolf"? What does he know of wolves? Yes, I get that it is something that the audience can grasp, still, I would prefer that the writers had used an Irathient equivalent.

4.) I don't quite get how these hellbug pheromones were isolated and developed. When did she get the time/opportunity/resources etc. to do such a thing? Just because her father had training in the area of entomology doesn't mean that she would have this as well.

5.) I get the Romeo/Juliet aspect of Christie and Alak's relationship, but where does it go from here? Sure, they can get married, but I strongly doubt that they would ever be able to have children.

6.) Irisa and her abilities are something that could really take over the series. If the writers are smart they will find very good reasons to really restrict its use, or they will have to concoct reasons later in the series to not use it.

regards,
G.

Your number 5 is one thing that has always bothered me about Star Trek,and other shows that show inter-species mating(human and alien) Ect. I love-love Star Trek- all the series and movies but if you have 2 species supposedly evolved independently on different planets they shouldn't be able to reproduce-right? As much as I love Mr. Spock-anyway a small quibble for me something I overlook in that and in this show as otherwise good episode.

Giantevilhead
April 30th, 2013, 11:55 AM
Actually they are defined as lovers of nature and tend to live in tents instead of houses. The Indogene were actually the ones who worked on the terraforming (and all other tech), you can read about their tests here: http://www.defiance.com/en/series/world-of-2046/invasion-timeline

If that's the case then how did the Irathients earn their place in the fleet? The ships could only take a very limited number of people, so it would only make sense for those useful enough, influential enough, or rich enough to get on them, with maybe a small number of spots for randomly selected people.

Gollumpus
April 30th, 2013, 02:30 PM
Huh?

An idea from Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle (in "Oath of Fealty" amongst other books). Every time someone dies from doing something stupid, the average human intelligence quotient goes up by a billionth of a percentile, and they can no longer diminish the human gene pool.

This guy goes running in the wilderness, alone, and wearing a headset, which deprives him of potential warning sounds in his environment. If he had gone running out in the wilderness prior to the day where he gets ripped apart by the bugs (as was apparently the case), then he was lucky to have survived that long.



There are people who like being whipped until they bleed, enough said.

Well, I wouldn't know about that sort of thing.... :P

Even if he is okay with getting hot grease poured over his chest, she then starts to rub it in with her bare hand. Yikes.



Maybe he knew what wolves are, or maybe he was referring to saberwolves (the ones in the pilot)

Ah, good point. Still not fully up on my "Defiance" fauna.



In the game there are little things the hellbugs drop off that expel pheromones, if youy get some of them you could extract what you needed.

While that may be the case, where/when/how did she gain the knowledge to do such a thing, and the resources for such a procedure? Are we to accept that she can do this merely because she is Irathient? If so, I'd like a bit more to back this up than some memories of her looking at bugs in a jar with her dad.

How is the game compared to other MMORPG's, assuming you've played others?



Since when does their love lead to children? Also we know that Humans and Irathients can interbreed so why not Castithans.


Your number 5 is one thing that has always bothered me about Star Trek,and other shows that show inter-species mating(human and alien) Ect. I love-love Star Trek- all the series and movies but if you have 2 species supposedly evolved independently on different planets they shouldn't be able to reproduce-right? As much as I love Mr. Spock-anyway a small quibble for me something I overlook in that and in this show as otherwise good episode.

Perelandra has the gist of my point. There should be no way that humans and these aliens are biologically compatible. It's a question of evolutionary biology. And even if they were genetically compatible (ie. mix up sperm and egg in a dish and watch it grow), there's no certainty that they would be physically compatible.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BS-f_KwM81I



Yeah, not liking that one too much either.

Yeah, this seems to be a unanimous point with folks. It really has the potential to complicate the writing for future episodes.


regards,
G.

Linda06
April 30th, 2013, 03:26 PM
hmm kinda boring ep. The white people with the white hair and white clothes and white decor are kinda boring to me :o

Still not sure what to make of this show. If they have more eps like this then they could lose my interest.

lopo30
May 1st, 2013, 02:46 AM
when do they explain how these hellbugs and strange wolves of the first episode got in the earth for the first place ?

it's kind of weird that aliens come from other world and bring deadly animals with them to earth, that dont do any good for the aliens to

different aliens live with us after there war is understandable but how come so many different species of animals comed to earth is not understandable, it's not like they are so advanced animals that they can build space ships and fly trough space to get in earth


the nuclear waist does not explain the mutation cause we have chernobyl what is like 30 years old already and there are no mutated animals as big as a house and the mutation does not happen over night... it must take at least 100 years or something like that

min min light
May 1st, 2013, 03:42 AM
I don't think the aliens brought the hellbugs with them - I think the hellbugs were a mutation caused by the accidental terraforming. I'm not real certain of that, but it was the impression I got.

escyos
May 1st, 2013, 08:19 AM
Hellbugs mutated from a small crustacean creature from the planet Irath. I got the impression they appeared very quickly seeing as Arkfall was Jan 2030 and Hellbugs had been sighted by June 2030.

Saberwolves were also a terrform gone wrong creation. Not sure of the in-universe specifics on that one though.

The terraforming caused many things to become hybridized like the Churkey, Banapple, Landchovy, Mushmato and Pow.

Gollumpus
May 1st, 2013, 08:29 AM
when do they explain how these hellbugs and strange wolves of the first episode got in the earth for the first place ?

it's kind of weird that aliens come from other world and bring deadly animals with them to earth, that dont do any good for the aliens to

different aliens live with us after there war is understandable but how come so many different species of animals comed to earth is not understandable, it's not like they are so advanced animals that they can build space ships and fly trough space to get in earth


the nuclear waist does not explain the mutation cause we have chernobyl what is like 30 years old already and there are no mutated animals as big as a house and the mutation does not happen over night... it must take at least 100 years or something like that


Howdy.

Here's a link to the Wiki associated with "Defiance". It appears to be relevant to both the show and the game.: http://en.defiance-wiki.com/wiki/Defiance_Wiki

I haven't had a chance to look through all of it, so be warned that it may contain spoilers associated with the TV show.

Here is the link from that site which is specific to hellbugs: http://en.defiance-wiki.com/wiki/Hellbug

Hope this helps. :)

regards,
G.

jelgate
May 1st, 2013, 02:02 PM
I found my self bored with this episode. Too many cliches and predictable scenes.

garhkal
May 1st, 2013, 03:00 PM
The only thing i liked was seeing the extendable blade fight scene.

min min light
May 1st, 2013, 05:19 PM
The terraforming caused many things to become hybridized like the Churkey, Banapple, Landchovy, Mushmato and Pow.

Ha! I'd love a mushmato. Also a garlion.

knowles2
May 1st, 2013, 05:23 PM
Your number 5 is one thing that has always bothered me about Star Trek,and other shows that show inter-species mating(human and alien) Ect. I love-love Star Trek- all the series and movies but if you have 2 species supposedly evolved independently on different planets they shouldn't be able to reproduce-right? As much as I love Mr. Spock-anyway a small quibble for me something I overlook in that and in this show as otherwise good episode.Except in star trek we know species didn't evolve independently, many evolve from the same source DNA.

aretood2
May 1st, 2013, 06:20 PM
Except in star trek we know species didn't evolve independently, many evolve from the same source DNA.

So did horses and donkeys, yet their offspring is nowhere near as fertile as the offspring of Star Trek mixed couples.

Nolamom
May 1st, 2013, 06:54 PM
It was mentioned in ST: Voyager that B'Lanna Torres' parents had a lot of genetic help in order to conceive her. In a very technologically advanced society, medical technology is bound to be advanced also. We relatively primitive humans are already tinkering with dna. I'm not terribly bothered by the occasional cross-species hybrids.

The telepathic thing - yes, could very easily be overdone. In this case, it seemed to be triggered by an enormous (at least personally to the individuals involved) event. Psychic echoes if you will. Would be interesting on a very rare basis.

escyos
May 2nd, 2013, 12:16 AM
Howdy.

Here's a link to the Wiki associated with "Defiance". It appears to be relevant to both the show and the game.: http://en.defiance-wiki.com/wiki/Defiance_Wiki

I haven't had a chance to look through all of it, so be warned that it may contain spoilers associated with the TV show.

Here is the link from that site which is specific to hellbugs: http://en.defiance-wiki.com/wiki/Hellbug

Hope this helps. :)

Hey, thats my wiki!

Yes there are TONNES of spoilers....or there was, not sure how many future spoilers you might be able to get from it. But it will contain any spoilers that I come across. Some of the pages are out of date and I need to update them.

Perelandra
May 2nd, 2013, 08:24 AM
Except in star trek we know species didn't evolve independently, many evolve from the same source DNA.

Yes.
I don't know yet about Defiance-(haven't researched the other sites yet about the aliens original origins)
In the Stargate series all the humanoids had a common origin DNA(MW humans brought to other planets by the Goauld, and Pegasus seeded by the ancients- to me this seems more realistic than in Star Trek, however I do believe there was an episode in Next Gen(can't remember the name) which explained the origin of humanoid aliens coming from one alien race which seeded the Milky Way with it's DNA than each planet independently evolved life.

Perelandra
May 2nd, 2013, 08:29 AM
It was mentioned in ST: Voyager that B'Lanna Torres' parents had a lot of genetic help in order to conceive her. In a very technologically advanced society, medical technology is bound to be advanced also. We relatively primitive humans are already tinkering with dna. I'm not terribly bothered by the occasional cross-species hybrids.

Yes I remember that now that you mention it.

Gollumpus
May 4th, 2013, 08:12 PM
Hey, thats my wiki!

Yes there are TONNES of spoilers....or there was, not sure how many future spoilers you might be able to get from it. But it will contain any spoilers that I come across. Some of the pages are out of date and I need to update them.

And a darn good wiki it is. :)

Have you come across any additional information on the local city government? Defiance is listed as an independent township, with a population of approximately 6,000. How do they pay the mayor, the town council and the rest of the civic employees like Nolan? I'm assuming everyone uses Earth Republic scrip for money, but it would be interesting to know how this currency was raised (taxes?).

regards,
G.

escyos
May 4th, 2013, 11:33 PM
And a darn good wiki it is. :)

Have you come across any additional information on the local city government? Defiance is listed as an independent township, with a population of approximately 6,000. How do they pay the mayor, the town council and the rest of the civic employees like Nolan? I'm assuming everyone uses Earth Republic scrip for money, but it would be interesting to know how this currency was raised (taxes?).

regards,
G.

Why thank you.

The city has a council who make the decisions like a normal town would. Not sure on taxes, but I wager they probably have taxes for business etc that want to operate in the town and the mines would have to pay to operate, seeing as they could potentially dig into the wrong spot and cause the town to collapse. It's also possible that some taxes are paid in supplies, food, gulanite, water etc so people don't need to buy things themselves.

Scrip does appear to be made by E-Rep and is said to be accepted everywhere. E-Rep does have a presence in many places and appear to have some of the good tech and supplies so their money is worth its weight in gulanite. I doubt its the only currency, but probably the only standardized one.

HulkSmash
May 7th, 2013, 06:40 PM
Only thing that really bothered me about the episode was the whole elevator sequence...it drops them all the way down and seemingly breaks until then without any visible repair it works right when they need it...could of been done better and ruined that escape scene for me...plus it must be nice to fall that far in an elevator and smash down with no physical injury to anyone inside

Nolamom
May 7th, 2013, 08:15 PM
That bothered me terribly - enormous fall, no injuries

Gollumpus
May 7th, 2013, 10:23 PM
Only thing that really bothered me about the episode was the whole elevator sequence...it drops them all the way down and seemingly breaks until then without any visible repair it works right when they need it...could of been done better and ruined that escape scene for me...plus it must be nice to fall that far in an elevator and smash down with no physical injury to anyone inside


That bothered me terribly - enormous fall, no injuries

I recall hearing some sort of braking system kick in, just in time (yes, it's a standard cliche).

I looked at the video: http://www.showcase.ca/defiance/video/season+1/devil+in+the+dark/video.html?v=2382593755&p=1&s=dd#video Indeed there is something that suggests a brake kicking in, just in time. I'm assuming it was some sort of automatic system which was being a bit flaky due to age/lack of maintenance.

Tommy spent approximately 5 minutes of their time fixing the electrics of the elevator so they could get out the way they came in. Yes, once again it's a bit cliche, but what else could the writers do?

I've been trying to think of how that part of the episode could be worked differently, so there was still tension/excitement but was not reliant upon these old chestnuts: 1.) the elevator drops unexpectedly, and brakes just in time; 2.) the electronics are fried, but are repaired, just in time; 3.) the "monsters" are delayed just long enough to allow the heroes to escape.

For how the writers set up the scene, I don't see how events could have unfolded any differently. The only way things could happen differently would be to have an unexplored tunnel going off of that chamber, and then extend the escape scene into the beginning of the next episode, with perhaps a tie-in to the McCawleys investigation of "L7".

regards,
G.