PDA

View Full Version : Pilot (101-102)



GateWorld
April 9th, 2013, 11:26 PM
<DIV ALIGN="center"><TABLE WIDTH="450" BORDER="0" CELLSPACING="0" CELLPADDING="7"><TR><TD STYLE="border: none;"><DIV ALIGN="left"><FONT FACE="Verdana, Arial, san-serif" SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000"><A HREF="http://www.scifistream.com/defiance/s1/pilot/"><IMG SRC="http://www.scifistream.com/wp-content/uploads/pilot13-160x120.jpg" WIDTH="160" HEIGHT="120" ALIGN="right" HSPACE="10" VSPACE="2" BORDER="0" STYLE="border: 1px black solid;" ALT="Visit the Episode Guide"></A><FONT SIZE="1" COLOR="#888888">DEFIANCE - SEASON ONE</FONT>
<FONT SIZE="4"><A HREF="http://www.scifistream.com/defiance/s1/pilot/" STYLE="text-decoration: none">PILOT</A></FONT>
<FONT SIZE="1">EPISODE NUMBER - 101-102</FONT>
<DIV STYLE="margin-top:10px; padding:0;">After alien survivors of a galaxy-wide war arrive on Earth, humans and aliens must build a new society together on the ruins of St. Louis. <I>(TV Guide)</I></DIV>
<FONT SIZE="1"><B><A HREF="http://www.scifistream.com/defiance/s1/pilot/">VISIT THE EPISODE GUIDE >></A></B></FONT></FONT></DIV></TD></TR></TABLE></DIV>

Gollumpus
April 16th, 2013, 12:05 AM
Quick response, there is a lot of promise...

1.) The casting looks pretty good. Nice to see Julie Benz again.

I think I'll like the Nolan character, however, he kind of makes me think of Colin Ferguson as Carter in "Eureka". You have a lawman with some ability but he doesn't really know the territory over which he's been put in charge.

I'm also getting a Eureka/Thorne vibe off of the ex-mayor.

Doc Yewll looks to be a McCoy type of "simple country doctor" with a cantankerous attitude. Hopefully the character will develop beyond this.

Tony Curran/Jaime Murray as the Tarr's are great.

I like Graham Greene as McCawley.

2.) “For never was a story of more woe than this of Juliet and her Romeo.”
? William Shakespeare, Romeo and Juliet

The young lovers situation looks like it will be a bit cliche. Perhaps it will become something interesting.

3.) It could be interesting to see what will become of the triangle of Amanda and Kenya Rosewater and Nolan.

The power relationship between the Tarr's is very interesting. She is very capable at manipulating him to a more subtle course of action. Their bath sessions remind me "Hill Street Blues" where practically every episode seemed to end with Furillo and Davenport in bed. If something does develop from the Romeo/Juliet situation it will be because of them.

Tommy looks to be a bit too naive for his position.

4.) The final battle was a bit weird. Why didn't anyone use the hand weapon they captured? When Insa arrived with the Irathient cavalry my first thought was, "Holy crap, they're riding right into the path of the blast." True, they are mobile fighters and attacking in such a manner would be appropriate. This being said, they wouldn't really know the plan, so why wasn't Nolan thinking, "Holy crap, they're riding right into the path of the blast"?

Also of interest to me, what are these guys using for fuel for their vehicles?

regards,
G.

escyos
April 16th, 2013, 12:19 AM
Also of interest to me, what are these guys using for fuel for their vehicles?.

Either gulanite, a mineral, or petrohol, a fuel made by processing Hellbug poop, which in turn is mostly digested gulanite.

blueray
April 16th, 2013, 06:32 AM
I got a chance to watch this yesterday, I liked it. It definitely borrowed things from other sci-fi shows but that fine. I plan on tuning into it next week.

I spend half the time trying to figure where I knew most of the cast from. Like the ex-mayor. I was trying to figure out why I wasn't remotely surprised that she wasn't quite trustworthy. Than I realized she was Eloise from Lost, so shes an other lol. And the lead guy was the caption of the freighter in Lost. And the current mayor was in No Ordinary Family :). Great to see sci-fi actors again.

my largest complaint is with syfy, what is with showing what is about to happen on every commercial break. I had to change the channel quickly so that I wasn't spoiled. This was quite annoying and I hope that they never do it again.

techs
April 16th, 2013, 09:28 AM
my largest complaint is with syfy, what is with showing what is about to happen on every commercial break. I had to change the channel quickly so that I wasn't spoiled. This was quite annoying and I hope that they never do it again.

I agree. It is an incentive for people to illegally download the show so they don't get spoilers during the show.

Dumb, scifi, dumb.

Battlestar Galactica used to run thru a bunch of clips for the upcoming episode right after the opening credits. I used to shut my eyes until the music indicated it was over. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

Athram
April 16th, 2013, 02:31 PM
I just watched the pilot. It was way better than I expected it to be. I
will certainly be watching it every week.

VampyreWraith
April 16th, 2013, 02:57 PM
I really liked the first episode. I'm looking forward to the next one.

Wyrminarrd
April 16th, 2013, 03:08 PM
The show has promise. If it manages to deliver on that promise then I will continue to watch.

gatechick
April 16th, 2013, 03:13 PM
Quick response, there is a lot of promise...

1.) The casting looks pretty good. Nice to see Julie Benz again.

I think I'll like the Nolan character, however, he kind of makes me think of Colin Ferguson as Carter in "Eureka". You have a lawman with some ability but he doesn't really know the territory over which he's been put in charge.

I'm also getting a Eureka/Thorne vibe off of the ex-mayor.




Exactly what my husband and I thought as we watched the show. I swear I was waiting for the Eureka theme music when that scene with the badge came on. :) But I also got a bit of a BSG vibe as well.

I enjoyed the pilot. The show has a lot of promise, but the ending ticked me off, although hopefully they will explain
why the ex mayor could not look for whatever it was she is looking for while she was the mayor. She probably could have done so while she was the MAYOR. But I could be jumping the gun. I guess I just start thinking the obvious while not realiznig there could be an underlying issue. :D

escyos
April 16th, 2013, 06:11 PM
I enjoyed the pilot. The show has a lot of promise, but the ending ticked me off, although hopefully they will explain
why the ex mayor could not look for whatever it was she is looking for while she was the mayor. She probably could have done so while she was the MAYOR. But I could be jumping the gun. I guess I just start thinking the obvious while not realiznig there could be an underlying issue. :D

Unless its buried deep under the town and so they would need to trash the whole town to get to it.

the fifth man
April 16th, 2013, 08:50 PM
Off to a very nice start IMO. I can't wait to see how things take shape with this show. I really hope it continues to do well.

Cluas
April 17th, 2013, 04:44 AM
i couldn't watch more than 15 minuttes. I stopped when they started singing :o

Sp!der
April 17th, 2013, 04:53 AM
I was not disappointed, maybe we will see some space stuff as the show progress ? I like most of the characters, sure they borrowed much from other shows and movies, but who doesn't do that anyway these days ? The music was awesome, as always. Thanks Bear McCreary ! Most of the characters seem really sympathic, which is nice for a change.

Anyway,it's nice to have a sci fi show on air again that involves sci fi as well and no only character drama.

escyos
April 17th, 2013, 05:36 AM
I was not disappointed, maybe we will see some space stuff as the show progress ? I like most of the characters, sure they borrowed much from other shows and movies, but who doesn't do that anyway these days ? The music was awesome, as always. Thanks Bear McCreary ! Most of the characters seem really sympathic, which is nice for a change.

Anyway,it's nice to have a sci fi show on air again that involves sci fi as well and no only character drama.

It's not a space show. People hear "like firefly" and assume its going to be firefly.

meo3000
April 17th, 2013, 06:39 AM
Not impressed except for the scenic and wide shots GFX. How many stories can you milk out of this town, cause its about the town and the people in it. I dont know, im not feeling it, its missing something grandiose.

Girlbot
April 17th, 2013, 06:45 AM
I thought it was a slow start, but got better. Jury is still out for me, I'll have to watch another ep or two to decide.

Commander Zelix
April 17th, 2013, 06:48 AM
I had low expectation before watching this series and it didn't let me down. The set up is nice and could have led to great dialogues and politics but the writing and execution is not the best. It's only the pilot. The job is to set up the universe.

I like the setting with multiple aliens and the social life there. The writing is a bit cliche and fail to bring empathy for the characters, but thus far good enough to pass the time. Somehow this series remind me of some western movies much more so that similar series like Babylon 5 or Star Trek DS9. Those 2 series seem thus far to be a superior products than Defiance, maybe because the politics is more intricate.

The set up of the series with the town and the multiple aliens species make it interesting. Once it gets its legs going, it may turns out to be very entertaining.

Ian-S
April 17th, 2013, 07:17 AM
I had low expectations too, so it was pretty ok, some personal observations:

Immediately you get a BSG feel to it, same font and style on the credits...
Music too, but no surprise who's doing it.
The Mayor's assistant/Doctor species immediately reminded me of Odo from DS9 (looks wise).
The Doctor immediately reminded me of the EMH from Voyager (character-wise).
Irisa's species, LOL did the producers watch The Fifth Element or something?
Jaime Murray's costume in the bath scene left very little to the imagination, wonder what her Dad thinks of it? (incase you don't know, he's a well know English Actor and iirc, very much against nudity or near nudity in storytelling).

Some of the scenes looked like they'd been lifted directly from the game, especially the bit where they were chasing the guy in his car - I can forgive that as long as the story doesn't fail the series.

Overall it was ok, felt very familiar, looked familiar, and seemed to take elements from just about every sci-fi series that's been aired to date and if done right it has the potential to be a good series. I've no problem with re-hashed stuff because you can always see preceding shows in new stuff, whatever the genre.

escyos
April 17th, 2013, 07:49 AM
Jaime Murray's costume in the bath scene left very little to the imagination, wonder what her Dad thinks of it? (incase you don't know, he's a well know English Actor and iirc, very much against nudity or near nudity in storytelling).

The Castithans are very liberal in regard to sex and apparently the bath is like the lounge room for them. At any rate why would her father matter? Your father could be the president of the US and you could still be a very "promiscuous" lady, do what you want. Parental love should be unconditional...well, unless your children repeatedly try to kill you....

She is telling the story of the Castithans and the Tarr's, Doing a half-ass job would just reflect poorly on her. As I said to a guy on facebook who complained about the off-color (literally) sex scene, his comments were in line with 1950's racism. Its not 1950 and people who want it to be should invent time travel and move back there.

techs
April 17th, 2013, 08:26 AM
Jaime Murray's costume in the bath scene left very little to the imagination, wonder what her Dad thinks of it? (incase you don't know, he's a well know English Actor and iirc, very much against nudity or near nudity in storytelling).



Jaime Murray has done numerous nude scenes in Spartacus, Dexter, etc. In fact she is pretty much known for nude and sex scenes.

Perelandra
April 17th, 2013, 09:13 AM
I liked the pilot but it's going to take me another couple of episodes to decide whether it's a "keeper" for me. I like Nolan. Like CZ, I also got a "Western" vibe. My hubby, who doesn't care a lot for Sci-Fi, actually liked this show. (said it reminded him of westerns)

Gen. Chris
April 17th, 2013, 10:17 AM
Jaime Murray's costume in the bath scene left very little to the imagination, wonder what her Dad thinks of it? (incase you don't know, he's a well know English Actor and iirc, very much against nudity or near nudity in storytelling).


Anything that she does in this show will pale in comparison to what she did in Spartacus: Gods of the Arena...

To those that didn't enjoy it, I implore you to keep watching. I'm certain it will get better. How many shows DON'T have a rocky first episode?

Sp!der
April 17th, 2013, 12:05 PM
It's not a space show. People hear "like firefly" and assume its going to be firefly.

It is nowhere near like firefly and never said that anyway.

jelgate
April 17th, 2013, 01:54 PM
Its the pilot. I go in expecting a show's pilot to not being the greatest. They have enmorous responsbilities of establishing the characters and stories. That is why I never stop after the pilot. I realize it takes a few episodes to get rolling. I tend to give a show 5 episodes before I give up. My pilot judged by pilot standards was pretty good. I have seen better but I have also seen worse. I would like through out the season to explore the timeline between the Vortion arrival and the present

escyos
April 17th, 2013, 08:57 PM
Its the pilot. I go in expecting a show's pilot to not being the greatest. They have enmorous responsbilities of establishing the characters and stories. That is why I never stop after the pilot. I realize it takes a few episodes to get rolling. I tend to give a show 5 episodes before I give up. My pilot judged by pilot standards was pretty good. I have seen better but I have also seen worse. I would like through out the season to explore the timeline between the Vortion arrival and the present

It's Votan.

Defiance is also transmedia so if your not willing to look to the game, the website, the various digital media sites for extra info, you will get gaps. Kind of like how JM revealed Stargate info on his blog, stuff that was official but you wouldn't know if you didn't look.

I recommend checking out the timeline at least: www.defiance.com/en/series/world-of-2046/invasion-timeline it gives a bit of backstory and is quite interesting.

Perelandra
April 18th, 2013, 08:23 AM
It's Votan.

Defiance is also transmedia so if your not willing to look to the game, the website, the various digital media sites for extra info, you will get gaps. Kind of like how JM revealed Stargate info on his blog, stuff that was official but you wouldn't know if you didn't look.

I recommend checking out the timeline at least: www.defiance.com/en/series/world-of-2046/invasion-timeline it gives a bit of backstory and is quite interesting.

Thanks! That helps me understand a lot. I also wanted to know the backstory so I've been looking at the website.

boo1234
April 18th, 2013, 08:36 AM
seems kind of like a mash of Eureka, Firefly, and Terra Nova

Gen. Chris
April 18th, 2013, 10:53 AM
seems kind of like a mash of Eureka, Firefly, and Terra Nova

And Falling Skies.


By the way, Castithan and Irathient made this list http://www.buzzfeed.com/syfy/9-fictional-languages-we-wish-we-could-speak

jelgate
April 18th, 2013, 01:54 PM
It's Votan.

Defiance is also transmedia so if your not willing to look to the game, the website, the various digital media sites for extra info, you will get gaps. Kind of like how JM revealed Stargate info on his blog, stuff that was official but you wouldn't know if you didn't look.

I recommend checking out the timeline at least: www.defiance.com/en/series/world-of-2046/invasion-timeline it gives a bit of backstory and is quite interesting.

Thats a terrible marketing stragety. You will lose a large portion of you audience not telling portions of the story because its in the game or on the website.

gotthammer
April 18th, 2013, 01:55 PM
I liked it. I liked it enough to buy the game, despite the MMO having mixed reviews. :D

It also helped that it was on sale, plus a voucher, so I got it for $33. Sorry, I forgot to post that sale here.
One can still get it 20% off via a voucher at greenmangaming.com (the voucher is usually in the blog page). It's a key that's redeemed at Trion's site, so all digital (i.e., no box or hardcopy).

Anyway, the show's quite interesting so far. I liked the characters, for the most part. There were a good number of cliches/predictable moments and some cheesy stuff here and there, but I didn't mind. If anything, I think it made it a bit more enjoyable.
Visuals-wise, it's ok. The CG could've been better. There were some frames/scenes that felt, or were actually, repeated (the forest wolf-thing's death animation, and one of those mech thingy's firing at the ridge/cliff sequence)...but that's ok.

Whatever shortcomings it has, tho', I still liked it overall (which seems to be what reviewers say about the game, too: a good number of issues, but grows on you and is enjoyable) and I'll be looking forward to future episodes. :D
Oh, and as a Farscape and Firefly fan, I guess I see some similarities, here and there, for those shows, too. :)
(I didn't get a Eureka vibe, but I can see some similarities. Haven't watched either Terra Nova or Falling Skies)

boo1234
April 18th, 2013, 03:53 PM
(I didn't get a Eureka vibe, but I can see some similarities. Haven't watched either Terra Nova or Falling Skies)

Eureka in the sense that an outsider unwittingly comes to a town, becomes the sheriff, and has a blossoming relationship with the lady in charge of the new area.

escyos
April 18th, 2013, 07:29 PM
Thats a terrible marketing stragety. You will lose a large portion of you audience not telling portions of the story because its in the game or on the website.

Maybe but that's why they are calling it transmedia. You could say the same about Stargate Atlantis; that if you did not watch SG-1 you would miss out on tonnes of backstory but at the same time Atlantis by itself is an awesome show that has a full story in itself. SG-1 simply added backstory and some details.

jelgate
April 18th, 2013, 10:50 PM
That doesn't work. If an SG-1 storyline appeared in Atlantis the story would explain the concept so not to confuse viewers. Ascension in Hide and Seek comes to mind. Defiance should do the same. Transmedia should enhance in that you get more by using the Internet and game. But you will allienate viewers if you don't explain concepts in the show because they appear in the game or the Internet. Only fans will do the latter. And fandom has shown time and time again that a fanbase is always smaller than the casual viewers

min min light
April 18th, 2013, 11:55 PM
i couldn't watch more than 15 minuttes. I stopped when they started singing :o

You're probably cheating yourself out of a lot of fun shows by being that hard on them in the pilot. At least give them three strikes, not one! :)

thekillman
April 19th, 2013, 10:19 AM
I kind of liked it, but why are the writers giving me such a ******* hard time to love it?

two families being thanked for donating. one human, one alien. ofcourse they're rivals. a meaningful look between a boy and girl of either side and hey, we have a pocahontas/jakesulley/romeojuliet.


some scenes looked pretty awesome (the army approaching, those walkers, the town) and some were, ugh. in particular: the chase scene and well pretty much every cgi driving scene including the ones in the final battle.

and of course he becomes the new sheriff.

i like it, i like large parts of it and i like various details and things, but in a big way it's Terra Nova all over again. although this time i liked the singing.

i don't quite understand what all these various aliens are doing here and why some of them are very humanlike and others are not.


the TLDR version: a good show but it needs to loosen up on bad chase scenes and the overly big cliches and get some original stuff going. It's aliens, you can be as creative as you want.

gotthammer
April 19th, 2013, 12:33 PM
Eureka in the sense that an outsider unwittingly comes to a town, becomes the sheriff, and has a blossoming relationship with the lady in charge of the new area.

Now that I think about it, the protagonist in both shows enter a new town, unwittingly, and both have their daughters. :)
I guess I just missed it since it has been years since I last saw Eureka's first episode (even if the end of the series has a callback to it lol).

Blossoming relationship w/ the lady in charge? I'm kinda hoping that it's not w/ the mayor, as that'll be too predictable. :D
But I'm also thinking/guessing that it'll be w/ the Mayor's sister first, then something "bad" happens, and he ends up w/ the Mayor anyway. I hope I'm wrong w/ the latter scenario, tho'. :D

And, yeah, I do agree that the show should be more creative and try to do away w/ tired cliches (or at least handle/present them better). :)

Platschu
April 19th, 2013, 12:37 PM
The pilot was okay. Not perfect, but not bad at all. 7/10

The main things what I don't like at the moment :

- the races looks a bit weird and amateur. I expected more alien look, but contact lenses? That is all? The female voices were also funny. And the "red haired" Votian must have a clone everywhere...
- they showed mountain around St. Louis, but they can not be seen at the horizon
- they ruined Earth
- they ruined Earth's athmosphere, but there is no flying alien race outside? Can a fence hold back enemies?
- the show seems to be a combination of Terra Nova, Eureka, Earth 2, Once upon a time - why must be a stranger be the local cop in every pilot?
- Roads have disappeared in 33 years? Come on... Maybe new lifeforms arrived, but asphalt roads and concrete won't disappear...
- if they have alien energy weapons than why do they fight with simple guns at the canyon?
- the bad guys with that funny hat look like the Nazgul leader from LOTR :D

But... The good point:
- I like the characters - the main character had a good humour. I like his Indiana Jones / James Bond attitude.
- I liked the bar - it has reminded me to Mass Effect. The barkeeper could be next Aria T'Loak.
- I like the "drow" gangster couple - the scifi version of Batiatus and Lucretia. Jamie Murray looks awesome here like she was in Gods of Arena.
- good special effects - the plants and ship interiors were awesome
- good music - typical BSG melodies

So I will stay with the show. I am surprised that here isn't a buzz about it. Was GW left by the gaters? :(

It will be interesting to see how the game and the show can support each other. I wish it could have happened with SG:U/SG:A and Stargate : Worlds. :(

escyos
April 19th, 2013, 03:52 PM
- they showed mountain around St. Louis, but they can not be seen at the horizon
- they ruined Earth
- they ruined Earth's athmosphere, but there is no flying alien race outside? Can a fence hold back enemies?
- Roads have disappeared in 33 years? Come on... Maybe new lifeforms arrived, but asphalt roads and concrete won't disappear...
- if they have alien energy weapons than why do they fight with simple guns at the canyon?


I don't think you realized just how much the Earth was changed by the terraforming, Antarctica became a warm tropical paradise, Las Vegas is a jungle island and half of North America is plagued by sudden and severe weather patterns, almost everything was wiped out so roads are mostly gone.

The reason they don't have flying vehicles much is because of the arkfalls, you don't really want to be in the air during one of them.

Vo-tech weapons require fuel rods, which are in short supply compared to other more simpler tech.

min min light
April 19th, 2013, 06:50 PM
but in a big way it's Terra Nova all over again.

People keep saying that without elaborating (not just here, in general). I don't get it - what's like Terra Nova?


i don't quite understand what all these various aliens are doing here and why some of them are very humanlike and others are not.

I missed it on the show but one of the recaps stated that they were an alliance of people from a dying star system looking for a new home. Also, the terraforming was accidental not deliberate, but I don't want to elaborate on that because I don't know if the extra information is a spoiler. Someone here has the Wiki in their sig, if you want the details. (Or, I assume this is all stuff that will be covered in the show as it goes forth.)



Blossoming relationship w/ the lady in charge? I'm kinda hoping that it's not w/ the mayor, as that'll be too predictable. :D
But I'm also thinking/guessing that it'll be w/ the Mayor's sister first, then something "bad" happens, and he ends up w/ the Mayor anyway. I hope I'm wrong w/ the latter scenario, tho'.

Heh ... one thing TV writers have to deal with these days that they didn't in the time of Star Trek TOS - you get enough people together and thinking about something and they'll figure out any scenario you can devise, well in advance of it being aired.

Archaeis
April 19th, 2013, 08:37 PM
Lots comparing Nolan to Eureka's protagonist.

I immediately got a Han Solo-esque vibe from him. Partner that he'll do anything for. Gives up his large personal reward while people he jsut met are on the verge of disaster.

Anyone else?

Cluas
April 20th, 2013, 04:03 AM
You're probably cheating yourself out of a lot of fun shows by being that hard on them in the pilot. At least give them three strikes, not one! :)

I usually go deep into season one, before i quit any (sci-fi) show, and I remembered doing this with "fringe" too, so I fast-forwarded the singing scene ... and watched the rest.


I agree with the others here saying it's a bit too cliche, and I also got that "Terra Nova" feeling, mixed up with a bit of star wars (Nolan) and perhaps even star trek? That gives me the feeling of too many ideas squeezed into one show. Guess we will see about that, but for now I'm watching.

min min light
April 20th, 2013, 05:21 AM
I usually go deep into season one, before i quit any (sci-fi) show

Well that's fair, no show could complain that you didn't give them a decent shot on that basis.

I think it's kind of a darker Eureka plus a little bit of Farscape, set on Babylon 5 after it was grounded ... in Jericho. Heh.

thekillman
April 21st, 2013, 11:59 AM
People keep saying that without elaborating (not just here, in general). I don't get it - what's like Terra Nova?


It's hard to pin down exactly but some thoughts:

-a half-advanced tech, half-cobbled together city.
-surrounded by hostile terrain and animals
-city has a "good side" and a "dark side" where the dark side sabotages and has their major force outside town.

It's a "city in the jungle" feeling. That, and that a stranger is trusted more than any person already known in the city.



I think it's kind of a darker Eureka plus a little bit of Farscape, set on Babylon 5 after it was grounded ... in Jericho. Heh.
lol, a bit too much comparison here.

It can definitely be a good show, it's not bad now. It's just some rotten spots that need to be removed.


I missed it on the show but one of the recaps stated that they were an alliance of people from a dying star system looking for a new home. Also, the terraforming was accidental not deliberate
not entirely sold on that idea. i understand that these people, if they're really that advanced, could modify themselves to be more adapted to earth but some of the humanoid aliens are a little TOO human.

I like the Endogenes (those supposedly robotic people like the one that betrayed them). I would've preferred to see much more of the attackers, right now they're a bit of a faceless enemy. That, and their big ass guns were a bit underwhelming.


- Roads have disappeared in 33 years? Come on... Maybe new lifeforms arrived, but asphalt roads and concrete won't disappear...
roads are very vulnerable in fact. frost does damage, roots do damage, etc.

garhkal
April 21st, 2013, 12:38 PM
I agree. It is an incentive for people to illegally download the show so they don't get spoilers during the show.


That and the tie it into the game imo ensures this will be one of the most pirated sci fi shows around.


I like the setting with multiple aliens and the social life there.

That's one of the parts that threw me off.. Who are all these alien types? Why was the war held here? How did we 'win it enough to force a truce'? Where did they come from??


Its the pilot. I go in expecting a show's pilot to not being the greatest. They have enmorous responsbilities of establishing the characters and stories.

To me a pilot should do 3 main things.

Lay the ground work for each of the main players
Show us some of the backstory (like how we had in SGA, where they were in the antitartic base before they went TO atlantis)..
and lastly do something that hooks us in.

1 they hit.. 2 they missed big as i know that there was a war, it was here and several alien races were involved.. THAT's it. 3, the only real biggy they had was the last minute fight scene.. that was so poorly done CGI wise it threw me off the show somewhat.


Defiance is also transmedia so if your not willing to look to the game, the website, the various digital media sites for extra info, you will get gaps. Kind of like how JM revealed Stargate info on his blog, stuff that was official but you wouldn't know if you didn't look.

Sorry, but if i have to play a dam game, go to site 1-4 and place 5-9 to get more info, a show is NOT worth watching to get all i need from it.


Maybe but that's why they are calling it transmedia. You could say the same about Stargate Atlantis; that if you did not watch SG-1 you would miss out on tonnes of backstory but at the same time Atlantis by itself is an awesome show that has a full story in itself. SG-1 simply added backstory and some details.

IMO that is not an example of transmedia.. You could easily see the show SG1 since for the 3 seasons they were linked, you saw an ep of sg1 THEN atlantis.. This is far from it.


Blossoming relationship w/ the lady in charge? I'm kinda hoping that it's not w/ the mayor, as that'll be too predictable.
But I'm also thinking/guessing that it'll be w/ the Mayor's sister first, then something "bad" happens, and he ends up w/ the Mayor anyway. I hope I'm wrong w/ the latter scenario, tho'.

Well a sister-sister threesome is nice!


I don't think you realized just how much the Earth was changed by the terraforming, Antarctica became a warm tropical paradise, Las Vegas is a jungle island and half of North America is plagued by sudden and severe weather patterns, almost everything was wiped out so roads are mostly gone.

Let me guess. We wont know what you are on about unless we go to site YZB or GUP and look it up to tie us in..? BORNING!


People keep saying that without elaborating (not just here, in general). I don't get it - what's like Terra Nova?

Well we had a cop (same as TN) we had a walled in city (same as TN) and badlands outside with things wanting to kill you (same as TN).. Other than that though i agree its no where similar.. TN was about us going into our own past and setting up shop. TN also had much better CGI for the monsters (dinosaurs).

For me, while i was interested, its not really set it self up for ME to stay interested...

min min light
April 21st, 2013, 06:39 PM
The multiquote/reply to thread keeps timing out on me so I'm just going to copy and paste - sorry for leaving off the names:


It's a "city in the jungle" feeling.


Well we had a cop (same as TN) we had a walled in city (same as TN) and badlands outside with things wanting to kill you (same as TN)..

Kind of the same feeling as a space opera - probably why I like it.

Ian-S
April 22nd, 2013, 07:00 PM
Anything that she does in this show will pale in comparison to what she did in Spartacus: Gods of the Arena...



LOL woops, I think I better put that on the to-watch list.

I wasn't complaining, just referencing her Dad who is/was very anti-nudity on TV, blimey anyone would think I said I hated looking at half naked women ;)

Cold Fuzz
April 23rd, 2013, 09:03 PM
I wasn't planning on watching Defiance but out of curiosity, I went ahead and watched the pilot and first episode last night. I was quite pleased with the selection of actors, as well as the quirks of the various alien races. I think giving the lead role to Grant Bowler was a good choice, as he has both the right look and feel. I'm also very happy with seeing Tony Curran in a very prominent role.

I'm reminded of Babylon 5 in way, especially with the various races trying to get along in a joint community. I'm curious as to what the artifact the old Mayor is looking for.

aretood2
April 30th, 2013, 01:24 PM
I really enjoyed the pilot. I just saw it last night on Hulu, didn't even know it existed :eek:

I like the soundtrack, and the main storyline is kinda neat. I can't resist a good end of the world/post apocalyptic type story.

Honestly though, if I were in the world I'd want all the Votan gone. I mean...what gives them the right to just show up out of nowhere and park their poop here? I hope they show more antagonism between humans and Votan aliens mainly because I doubt people would just give up after a war no matter how bloody it was. It sure didn't stop Europe from fighting a second World War.

min min light
April 30th, 2013, 05:03 PM
I wonder though, if the situation were reversed and we were the ones from a dying planet who had to either keep looking or inhabit a planet that already had people on it ... do you suppose we'd keep looking? Our history is that we would not, we'd just kick out whoever was in our way.

garhkal
May 1st, 2013, 02:56 PM
Exactly.. We already have a history rife with going elsewhere and conquering those there,so why would we be surprised to see other's do it to us?

aretood2
May 1st, 2013, 06:00 PM
I wonder though, if the situation were reversed and we were the ones from a dying planet who had to either keep looking or inhabit a planet that already had people on it ... do you suppose we'd keep looking? Our history is that we would not, we'd just kick out whoever was in our way.


Exactly.. We already have a history rife with going elsewhere and conquering those there,so why would we be surprised to see other's do it to us?

We are now generations away from those events, so the feelings aren't there as much as say...during American Colonial times. Either way, the Natives didn't exactly accept it over night, some are still pretty ticked off today.

The series is set during the same time that people who remember Earth before the Votan are alive. Them and their children would naturally have the harshest feelings against the Votan. Their grandchildren could conceivably be mixed, and the great grandchildren would see it as a fact of life for the most part. But to be honest, what happened to the Earth itself...

Fine, they needed a new home. There was a war as a result of high tensions and misunderstandings. If it were just that, co-existence and putting hard feelings behind could work (thought still be hard). But they changed the Earth (Accidentally but that never really matters when emotions are in the mix). The whole ravished world is a constant reminder.

If the series was set a hundred or so years after the war, sure. I wouldn't expect much of the "Get off my planet" drama. But it's within a lifetime after the war.

min min light
May 1st, 2013, 08:25 PM
I would have loved to see this entire saga from start to finish - starting out in their star system when they discovered they had to leave, through to the point where nobody is left who remembers a time when Earth wasn't their planet.