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GateWorld
March 31st, 2013, 11:37 AM
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<FONT SIZE="1">EPISODE NUMBER - 309</FONT>
<DIV STYLE="margin-top:10px; padding:0;">Robb presents himself to Walder Frey, and Edmure meets his bride as House Tully is united with House Frey. Aria draws closer to her long-awaited reunion, Bran must use his gift to help his brother, and Daenerys’ forces move against Yunkai.</DIV>
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Skydiver
June 2nd, 2013, 05:55 PM
The Red wedding. Just further proof that no character is immune.

Next week, season finale.

Cold Fuzz
June 2nd, 2013, 07:50 PM
I knew what was coming the moment one of the Frey foot soldiers closed the large doors. When the string player started the first few strains of The Rains of Castamere, my stomach tightened and I readied myself for a lot of bloodshed... and that's exactly what we got.

It was pretty much the most difficult episode of the series for me to watch but it does illustrate the point that no character is immune. Goodness, it was depressing to watch, especially for those who have liked the Starks from the beginning.

When I read the chapter about the Red Wedding in the books, there's one thing that kept going through my mind: Dany's the last hope for any kind of honor the Seven Kingdoms. And maybe perhaps Stannis? *sigh*

Gen. Chris
June 2nd, 2013, 11:01 PM
Good episode. Looks like we'll get a bit more of it in the next episode, too.

Skydiver
June 3rd, 2013, 03:17 AM
It's definitely not the last shock of the season.

I didn't remember the wife being pregnant, so that was especially brutal. But you had to know that the cowering wife was a prime example of just how nice of a guy he was.

fems
June 3rd, 2013, 03:37 AM
Holy crap! I did not expect that until the doors closed and Catelyn got that suspicious look on her face!

Poor Grey Wind being killed too, I'd hoped Arya would have been able to free him in time. And poor Arya, being so close to her family and then discovering it was a trap and they're all killed!

I never really liked Robb, especially not after he went back on his word and married that foreign girl whose name I can't remember right now. But he did redeem himself a bit earlier in the episode when he admitted it was his fault that Winterfell had been taken because he didn't listen to his mother's advice.

But damn, I still didn't expect the slaughter although I now understand why I've seen it called a red wedding...

So, no more King of the North, no baby, no Catelynn and as far as everyone else knows, no Bran and Rickon anymore either. That only leaves Sansa, who is now married to Tyrion, as princess of the North (and now Queen?) and Princess Arya but no one knows where she is either. Let's just hope Clegane doesn't decide to now bring her back to King's Landing for a reward...

Can't help but wonder what would have happened if he hadn't been stuffing himself full of pig and instead rode out earlier to the Twins, though. Either Arya would have been killed along with her family (albeit after a happy reunion) or things might have gone different, with some or all of the Starks getting out alive. Yet another reason for Arya to hate him, I guess. If not for delaying the trip then for stopping her at the end, even though that likely would have killed her too had she tried to find them.

Oh and I was also surprised by the events in Dany's area, for a moment I feared it had been a trap and her three 'commanders' had all been killed. I'm not sure why but I even thought that maybe Jorah had either let the new pretty guy with the difficult name get killed without helping him or had maybe done it himself after the dark look he'd given him when the guy grabbed Dany's hand, but then the pretty guy came into the tent with the city's banner (?).

The one thing I found a bit odd was how Bran completely forgot about seeing/saving Jon until the last moment before he said goodbye to Rickon. I would have thought he'd share that right away after the fight had been over but it was almost as if he'd forgotten it because it wasn't that important... :confused: Now let's hope Osha and Shaggydog can bring Rickon safely to the Umbers and that they won't betray the Starks (or Rickon, as he's pretty much what's left for all they know) like Roose Bolton did.

On one hand I'm curious to see what Bran will be up to but on the other hand it's sometimes a bit boring and I don't really see the necessity of him going beyond the wall. We already know he's a warg and can even control humans like he did with Hodor, unless he's easier or special because of his mental condition... so, what else can he do beyond the wall?

DigiFluid
June 3rd, 2013, 06:36 AM
Holy crap! I did not expect that until the doors closed and Catelyn got that suspicious look on her face!
I've read the books, but the big tip-off that I first noticed was when Lord Bolton told Catelyn that he'd married one of the Freys. I don't much like Catelyn/Michelle Fairley, but I have to give her some praise for the faint suspicion on her face when she realized that. Good acting, there.


So, no more King of the North, no baby, no Catelynn and as far as everyone else knows, no Bran and Rickon anymore either. That only leaves Sansa, who is now married to Tyrion, as princess of the North (and now Queen?) and Princess Arya but no one knows where she is either.
Well, not exactly. As far as Joffrey/the Lannisters are concerned, Joffrey is the only true King of Westeros, and anyone in rebellion is just an upstart Lord. By Robb's self-declaration as King in the North that would make his siblings Princes and Princesses, but for Sansa living as a virtual prisoner of the Lannisters, she's just a Lady rather than a Princess.


the new pretty guy with the difficult name
Daario is a difficult name? :P


The one thing I found a bit odd was how Bran completely forgot about seeing/saving Jon until the last moment before he said goodbye to Rickon. I would have thought he'd share that right away after the fight had been over but it was almost as if he'd forgotten it because it wasn't that important... :confused:
That struck me as odd in the show too. I seem to recall in the books they were considerably further apart, so it made a little more sense, but yes, it seemed strange on the show.


Now let's hope Osha and Shaggydog can bring Rickon safely to the Umbers and that they won't betray the Starks (or Rickon, as he's pretty much what's left for all they know) like Roose Bolton did.
If they stick to the books, you can pretty much forget about Osha and Rickon. They left during book 3 and, as of the end of book 5, have not yet reappeared.

Of course, they've taken a somewhat different tack with Theon with regards to the books, so maybe they'll approach Rickon differently too!


On one hand I'm curious to see what Bran will be up to but on the other hand it's sometimes a bit boring and I don't really see the necessity of him going beyond the wall. We already know he's a warg and can even control humans like he did with Hodor, unless he's easier or special because of his mental condition... so, what else can he do beyond the wall?
Fascinating stuff ;)

fems
June 3rd, 2013, 06:48 AM
The name sounded longer and more complicated when Dany said it because she used both first and last name, I guess. Anyway, I shall try to keep it in mind.

I do believe Tyrion or one of the other Lannisters/Small Council mentioned Sansa's importance as the sister of the King of the North, especially if he died. Not sure if they called her a princess then but they weren't outright dismissive of it, even though they assume they will win the war. There's a reason, after all, they wanted Tyrion to wed her.

magictrick
June 3rd, 2013, 08:33 AM
I knew what was coming but I still felt that epic feeling watching it unfold.

Check out this twitter feed for people's reactions, some entertaining posts on there

https://twitter.com/RedWeddingTears

One of my favourites that I've read:

"How come Rob stark is not calling in an air strike on little King Joffrey....oh wait you killed him and his mother and gutted his pregnant wife. **** you George Martin. This guy proably microwves cats in his spare time"

Gen. Chris
June 3rd, 2013, 12:33 PM
edit: double post

Gen. Chris
June 3rd, 2013, 12:33 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=78juOpTM3tE

damnflamingos
June 3rd, 2013, 12:35 PM
All I can really think right now is OMG!

The red wedding: I can't even begin. I'm mourning Catelyn dearly, I was really hoping for a miracle there. Poor Arya, she couldn't even save Robb's wolf. I'm curious to what dog's plan for Arya is now, will he take her back to Kingslanding? He can't show up there, can he?

I was sure Daenerys was lead into a trap, but hey, surprise again. When I saw those soldiers, I was pretty sure Daario sold them out. I don't like him though, Daario.

And didn't Jon Snow recognise those wolves? Why is he off so quickly?

Cold Fuzz
June 3rd, 2013, 12:37 PM
Ah, I see you found the same video I did. I'm suddenly reminded of how I reacted when I first read what was happening in the Red Wedding.

magictrick
June 3rd, 2013, 12:53 PM
And didn't Jon Snow recognise those wolves? Why is he off so quickly?

He might've, but he had to run off to warn the Night's Watch of the Wildling attack.


Ah, I see you found the same video I did. I'm suddenly reminded of how I reacted when I first read what was happening in the Red Wedding.

It was the kind of thing you had to read a few times to actually grasp what was happening.

It was fun watching that video and trying to spot the book readers who knew what was coming.

Gen. Chris
June 3rd, 2013, 02:07 PM
You guys should also check the pic in the same post ;) (the link)

techs
June 3rd, 2013, 03:38 PM
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Skydiver
June 3rd, 2013, 04:39 PM
FIrst....we need to watch book vs show spoilers.

Second....as time goes on the show diverges more and more

The red wedding did play out differently in the book (Jeyne, the wife, wasn't there, but also wasn't pregnant so she really doesn't matter in the game, Cat and Rob die, along with the wolf, but cat killed someone else, not one of the wives

scifan
June 3rd, 2013, 04:43 PM
I am so glad I was bad and had my friend give me spoilers from the book. Though details aren't the same the main part was and I wouldn't have handled if very well. :eek:

Gen. Chris
June 3rd, 2013, 06:14 PM
Lol, in an effort to lighten the mood.. Arya's reaction https://vine.co/v/b3XZMHmxzxh

Brother Freyr
June 5th, 2013, 12:54 PM
When I read the chapter about the Red Wedding in the books, there's one thing that kept going through my mind: Dany's the last hope for any kind of honor the Seven Kingdoms. And maybe perhaps Stannis? *sigh*

I thought the same. I imagine Daenerys swooping in on a continent weakened by wars and winter. Does Stanis die, or does he swallow his pride and honor Dany's claim to the throne? The victor over the Whitewalkers beyond The Wall will be allied with R'hllor (because the fire magic is the countervailing force to the ice magic... the series is named "A Song of Ice and Fire" for a reason). Stanis is with R'hllor, but he's an unlikely winner in the game of thrones. Daenerys appears likely to conquer, but she's not allied with R'hllor. Yet. Daenerys also has dragons, so maybe she *doesn't* need R'hllor's red priests. Maybe fiery magical dragons will be the opposing force to the icy enemy. So many possibilities. :-)


Love the youtube reactions, Chris. The dog is like, "What's wrong with Mum? Where's the emergency?"

mr_kennedy
June 5th, 2013, 11:14 PM
WOW i didn't see that coming at all

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v32/leiabelle/Ravelry/its_a_trap.jpg

I think sums this episode up nicely

Skydiver
June 6th, 2013, 03:21 AM
I can't remember how it played out in the book

I know that the red wedding was much talked about....partially because of who died but also because of how Frey did it. He fed them. Under the rules of hospitality, once you feed a guest you owe them your protection. So he did a favor for many in killing off the Starks (or most of them) but he also committed a large social taboo in doing so....however in how he treats his daughters and wives, you can tell he isn't exactly kept awake by worrying about social concerns.

Certainly, there's no one to avenge the Starks - Robb kinda scuppered that when he killed that one ally - but there's also a level of mistrust now with him and others

mr_kennedy
June 6th, 2013, 07:16 AM
sort of off topic

:lol: i was watching star trek and the original series tonight the episode was whom gods destroy and the villain of the episode says something to the affect of, i've been remiss in my duties as host captain kirk and i'm like uh oh :p

yes i have seen that episode before but after watching the rains of castamere only 2-3 hours before hand it was still in the back of my mind

magictrick
June 6th, 2013, 08:48 AM
I can't remember how it played out in the book

I know that the red wedding was much talked about....partially because of who died but also because of how Frey did it. He fed them. Under the rules of hospitality, once you feed a guest you owe them your protection. So he did a favor for many in killing off the Starks (or most of them) but he also committed a large social taboo in doing so....however in how he treats his daughters and wives, you can tell he isn't exactly kept awake by worrying about social concerns.

Certainly, there's no one to avenge the Starks - Robb kinda scuppered that when he killed that one ally - but there's also a level of mistrust now with him and others

Based on what's happened thus far in the show and the books
What I like about the series is that people do eventually get what's coming to them, but not always necessarily from the people they've wronged the most (with a few exceptions of course). Freys and Bolton will get what they deserve by the end of this series. In fact things are already starting to look that way as of the end of ADWD.

spinny magee
June 7th, 2013, 04:41 AM
No Greatjon wreaking havoc in the club so the Episode didn't fully deliver.

I'll give credit to the writers on the master ruse they did on covering up when Robb would die. Pretty sure most viewers regardless of whether they read the books sensed Robb was doomed from the point Karstark gave him his two cents. The talk of having a bloodbath at Casterly Rock and potentially dying in a blaze of glory there covered up any hint of an imminent death until the final minutes regardless of all the cliche "Bright future" talk that universally comes before a shock death.

And the moment Jorah Mormont realized he was friendzoned was painfully well done, as well as Roose giving that look to Catelyn "Yeah check my forearm, go on touch it"

(+10 for setting the Roose Loose as well)

If Robbwind is delivered next episode I will be extremely delighted

Gen. Chris
June 7th, 2013, 05:06 PM
Watched the episode today with my girlfriend...she was pissed.


Of course, it was probably not a good idea to watch it when we are celebrating our anniversary, but what can you do...Lol

Skydiver
June 7th, 2013, 06:12 PM
I have to admit I've been very amused by the kerfluffles over the episode. Almost as much fun as the show itself.

Gen. Chris
June 7th, 2013, 06:31 PM
I have to admit I've been very amused by the kerfluffles over the episode. Almost as much fun as the show itself.

Indeed...

But I have a feeling all these people who are "boycotting" will be back soon enough...

Skydiver
June 7th, 2013, 06:40 PM
Back or not, I do like how the show is diverging here and there from the books. If it keeps up there may be the day that even those that have read the books get a gobsmack moment here or there.

Gen. Chris
June 7th, 2013, 07:28 PM
Back or not, I do like how the show is diverging here and there from the books. If it keeps up there may be the day that even those that have read the books get a gobsmack moment here or there.

Well we sort of did...with the death of Talisa.

Cold Fuzz
June 8th, 2013, 01:04 AM
I'm personally liking the divergence with the books. I was fine with the large number of characters and simultaneous plots and settings. But starting with A Feast for Crows, I started feeling that GRRM had outstretched himself with the narrative. I'm actually liking what the producers have done to compress the narrative (like merging Gendry and the Edric Storm plotline) and make things more succinct.

DigiFluid
June 10th, 2013, 05:14 PM
I'm personally liking the divergence with the books. I was fine with the large number of characters and simultaneous plots and settings. But starting with A Feast for Crows, I started feeling that GRRM had outstretched himself with the narrative. I'm actually liking what the producers have done to compress the narrative (like merging Gendry and the Edric Storm plotline) and make things more succinct.

I'm hoping for AFFC/ADWD they take the time to integrate chronology. For one, it would give Martin more time to finish the bloody books; for another, the comparatively boring material in AFFC will be offset by the vastly superior material in ADWD.

Gen. Chris
June 10th, 2013, 05:40 PM
I'm hoping for AFFC/ADWD they take the time to integrate chronology. For one, it would give Martin more time to finish the bloody books; for another, the comparatively boring material in AFFC will be offset by the vastly superior material in ADWD.

I'm thinking three seasons to cover those two books adequately. The problem is definitely the chronology issue...Since his chapters can take a hour in the book universe or a month, it definitely gets confusing on what happens when. So hopefully they consult with him on that.

Pym
June 14th, 2013, 05:16 PM
This was probably one of the best episodes I've seen in shock value. Never saw the end glad I didnt guess. I had to sit on the lounge staring at the credits to try and process what just happened. Really enjoyed the episode.