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GateWorld
March 22nd, 2013, 10:29 PM
<DIV ALIGN="center"><TABLE WIDTH="450" BORDER="0" CELLSPACING="0" CELLPADDING="7"><TR><TD STYLE="border: none;"><DIV ALIGN="left"><FONT FACE="Verdana, Arial, san-serif" SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000"><A HREF="http://www.scifistream.com/doctor-who/s7/nightmare-in-silver/"><IMG SRC="http://www.scifistream.com/wp-content/uploads/nightmare-in-silver-160x120.jpg" WIDTH="160" HEIGHT="120" ALIGN="right" HSPACE="10" VSPACE="2" BORDER="0" STYLE="border: 1px black solid;" ALT="Visit the Episode Guide"></A><FONT SIZE="1" COLOR="#888888">DOCTOR WHO - SERIES 33</FONT>
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<FONT SIZE="1">EPISODE NUMBER - 3313 (713)</FONT>
<DIV STYLE="margin-top:10px; padding:0;">The Doctor and Clara take her young friends to a legendary intergalactic amusement park, only to find a platoon of soldiers and the last survivors of the war against the Cybermen -- freshly upgraded and with their eye set on the Doctor's mind.</DIV>
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Sealurk
May 11th, 2013, 11:45 AM
Is it just me or is Angie a tad obnoxious?

Wow, Herrick certainly fell on bad times.

New mini Cyber Mats?

Hmm, I'm liking the new Cybermen. Their movement seems reminiscent of RoboCop while their design has definite Iron Man cues.

"I'm not sure I'd go that far"

Cyber-Doctor... is really creepy.

Regeneration as weapon? Interesting...

Is Matt Smith channelling Jon Pertwee a bit in this episode?

Oh... detachable autonomous hands? Have the Cybermen been watching Red Dwarf, Or The Addams Family?

Wow, these Cybermen really are creepy - and clever.

Hmm, it's not The Doctor's Wife.

Teddybrown
May 11th, 2013, 11:46 AM
Pretty good episode, but the kids were abit annoying, especially the girl...
Interesting new concept for the Cybermen...

Next week though...
Wow, looks like its going to be good!

knowles2
May 11th, 2013, 12:19 PM
A brilliant episode, the first time I actually enjoyed an return of an old doctor who enemy. I liked the mini cybermats. Gaiman borrow a few ideas from star trek borg and turn the cybermen into a true threat for once, the stuff growing out of the doctor face reminds me of Seven of nine.

Angie was obnoxious , but she no more obnoxious than the doctor. An I love it when us humans spot something or think something that the Doctor, and in this case the Cybermen both missed.

Personally I like the two kids and be happy to see them take a second journey.

Love seeing inside the mind of the Doctor, wish they showed us a few extra bits of information about his history through.
Would love to see Warwick Davies return as emperor and see him and the Doctor join forces to battle cybermen. The emperor is the closest thing the doctor to a rival for destruction.

I think even Gaiman relies he made the Cybermen to powerful and tone them down at the end of the episode, they should have took that entire castle in a couple of seconds and slaughtered everyone.

May be Gaiman can do something with the Daleks to make them as watchable, though I don't think even he is a good enough writer to make that happen.

Quizziard
May 11th, 2013, 12:31 PM
Sorry Gaiman, I think it felt like filler. After TCH it was definitely a drop back down. The rubbish troops were worse than awful, though the cyber-Doctor was worth seeing.

Greenee
May 11th, 2013, 02:31 PM
Woha, this was nailbiting (can you sai that?) Obnoxious? Oh, new word. Yeah, she definitly was. The troops were a littlebit rediculous but I realy liked the Jekyll&Hyde Doctor thing, though I got pretty confused when he was himself and when not (though it could be told from the camera angle).
The doctor realising, hes having a cruch on Clara? Hm, personally I liked it, thou I can already here lots of people complaining. But I thinc, Coco was right with what she said last week about the Doctor getting a little too horny (doesen suit im) Too tight skirts?! But maybe there will we a reason for that change?

Am I the only one to realise, the ship of teh empora lookd like one of this minicyberthings? And am I the only one to think, Angie brought this little fellows back to earth? (we saw them scuttle other the phon, an in the very end the doctor handing it back to her) I did'nt watch the trailer for next week in fear of spoilers, so it might have been shown anyway, but I think we are going to see the Cyberman again.

The Timelords invented chess? Nice one.

Ow, and was it just be, or did the guy in the beginnig look like the Dreamlord from Series 5?

Matt G
May 11th, 2013, 02:45 PM
Hmmm....

1. Oops Doctor, you arrived too late mate!

2. OK...exactly how did the Cybermen get reactivated?

3. OK...someone saw the humanoid Replicators on Stargate...

4. Did not call Porridge as emporer...

Solid ep but nowhere near the best this season.

techs
May 11th, 2013, 03:09 PM
Next week is the finale? These 7 episode "seasons" hurt the show, imo.

Sealurk
May 11th, 2013, 03:35 PM
Angie was obnoxious , but she no more obnoxious than the doctor. An I love it when us humans spot something or think something that the Doctor, and in this case the Cybermen both missed.

The Doctor's earned the right to be obnoxious (which I personally don't think he is), having lived for well over a thousand years, saved countless lives, done amazing things, risked his life innumerable times and been involved in major historical events, not to mention possessing a phenomenal brain. Angie... hasn't, and to me she takes typical teenage attitude a bit too far.

Then again, I've never liked kids.


Sorry Gaiman, I think it felt like filler. After TCH it was definitely a drop back down. The rubbish troops were worse than awful, though the cyber-Doctor was worth seeing.

Agreed on pretty much every point. The Doctor's Wife was always going to be a tough one to beat, but this just felt like he was phoning it in - though the new Cybermen are a nice development and a bit more scary, admittedly.


Next week is the finale? These 7 episode "seasons" hurt the show, imo.

Well technically the season began last year with Asylum of the Daleks, they just split it into two, but yes, I agree. I much prefer a single thirteen episode season. Hopefully after the 50th they can get back to doing exactly that.

Flyboy
May 11th, 2013, 04:21 PM
The troops were a littlebit rediculous

I disagree... They were a Punishment Platoon... given a gash job... It's interesting to note in the real world that in operational environments (and I will admit, this is more the Americans - observation, not attack), you DO have your 'GI Joe' kinda characters, your every day kinda character, and finally you have your 'how the hell did you even pass training?!' servicemen. I recall in Kandahar there were some definitely obese US troops, and some US personnel who were so tall and skinny, I thought they'd break from the weight of their daysack....

Nth Chevron
May 11th, 2013, 04:43 PM
Did anyone catch the floating piece of beeping Cyber-tech at the end of the episode?

Does that mean that some knowledge discovered from the Doctor is now going to be used by the Cybermen?

*throw back to Rings of Ahkaten*

DOCTOR: ..and i know things, secrets that must never be spoken, knowledge that must never be shared ..

As for the new Cybermen, i found them somewhat lackluster. Personally, the inclusion of Human evisceration and harvesting was part of what made them scary. Just like the Borg they care nothing for the flesh, they will mutilate, eviscerate, remove, cut, burn, liquify etc etc as long as it is in the most efficient manner for whatever objectives they have prioritized.

N.C

Nolamom
May 11th, 2013, 04:50 PM
starts in 10 minutes here

knowles2
May 11th, 2013, 04:59 PM
Did anyone catch the floating piece of beeping Cyber-tech at the end of the episode?

Does that mean that some knowledge discovered from the Doctor is now going to be used by the Cybermen?



I sincerely hope so. I hope he let some small or big piece of essential knowledge slip through. We still don't know who constructed that Tardis, could be the first Cybermen attempt, an be may part of Moffat long term plan to have another time war, that we get to see this time.

But he lost almost half of his brain to the Cyber planner control, that mean almost certainly yes. Although I think it just another seed Guiman or Moffat planted that may be use sometime in the future, if they feel like it.

I thought it was a shame they didn't just show a single bug on a piece of rock, slowly making another copy of itself, instead of showing the head.

I like the way that Cybermen actually use some tactics in this episode also make a big change from gun hue enemies we usually encounter.

Greenee
May 11th, 2013, 05:04 PM
I disagree... They were a Punishment Platoon... given a gash job... It's interesting to note in the real world that in operational environments (and I will admit, this is more the Americans - observation, not attack), you DO have your 'GI Joe' kinda characters, your every day kinda character, and finally you have your 'how the hell did you even pass training?!' servicemen. I recall in Kandahar there were some definitely obese US troops, and some US personnel who were so tall and skinny, I thought they'd break from the weight of their daysack....

Well I trust you there are, even without knowing anithing amout millitarystuff. But even than their behavior seem redicoulis, or rather because of that. And I'm not sure, if it was necessary to have so many charcters like this for this episode.


Did anyone catch the floating piece of beeping Cyber-tech at the end of the episode?
Does that mean that some knowledge discovered from the Doctor is now going to be used by the Cybermen?

*throw back to Rings of Ahkaten*

DOCTOR: ..and i know things, secrets that must never be spoken, knowledge that must never be shared ..

Yes I did. Though at first I thought it to be the emperors ship. hmm, interisting thought; might be. And by watching it again straight away again. I also have to recall what I said about the phone. I did'nt realise the Doctor gave her a new one, but thought he kind of fixed the ald one. But still? Might this be of any importance? Oh, can't wait for the final.

stargatefan234
May 11th, 2013, 05:06 PM
I sincerely hope so. I hope he let some small piece of essential knowledge slip through. We still don't know who constructed that Tardis.

That TARDIS?

The Cyber Doctor did point out that the database of the universe had a Doctor shaped hole in them and he could be identified by his absence.

Nth Chevron
May 11th, 2013, 05:16 PM
From what i understand, the TARDIS (for anyone who has delved deeply enough) was grown on Gallifrey from a loom.

I dont remember how the TARDIS came to have consciousness.

I do remember something about Quantum Mnemonics or Block Transfer Computations

N.C

P.S http://www.whoniverse.net/tardis/hyperloom.php

P.P.S http://www.whoniverse.net/tardis/neuraldocks.php

P.P.P.S http://www.whoniverse.net/tardis/blocktransfer.php

Enjoy :)

Also, the History of Gallifrey and then some http://meshyfish.com/~roo/index.html

Coco Pops
May 11th, 2013, 06:33 PM
The doctor realising, hes having a cruch on Clara? Hm, personally I liked it, thou I can already here lots of people complaining. But I thinc, Coco was right with what she said last week about the Doctor getting a little too horny (doesen suit im) Too tight skirts?! But maybe there will we a reason for that change?



We have the episode tonight where I am. I watch on TV and don't d/load like the rest..... Hmmmm Coco is not a girl BTW at least the last time I checked :p

min min light
May 11th, 2013, 09:13 PM
IOh... detachable autonomous hands? Have the Cybermen been watching Red Dwarf, Or The Addams Family?

Ha - I had the exact same thought.


Gaiman borrow a few ideas from star trek borg and turn the cybermen into a true threat for once, the stuff growing out of the doctor face reminds me of Seven of nine.

And this as well - also their ability to (basically) adapt, like to the electrified water. Plus the addition of their fanny jetpack or whatever it was that sped them up, which was good because I have always laughed at the idea of these cybermen terrorizing the world .333 mph at a time.

Quizziard
May 11th, 2013, 11:38 PM
Did anyone catch the floating piece of beeping Cyber-tech at the end of the episode?

For an "implosion" bomb, it was awfully explosive. No wonder bits escaped...

knowles2
May 12th, 2013, 02:35 AM
That TARDIS?

The one in The Lodger.

Coco Pops
May 12th, 2013, 03:59 AM
The one in The Lodger.


What made you think of The Lodger?

OK this episode was different. The Doctor has a crush on Clara..... Oooh.

Cybermen seemed like a real threat now, not just a joke. Gold now won't work on them anymore, and they've now had access to a lot of the Doctor's mind. That can't be good.

The episode was actually good. I enjoyed it for the most part.

I too wondered what that gadget was at the end floating away from the exploded planet. Maybe we'll find out another time, maybe not.

next episode looks fun too.

P-90_177
May 12th, 2013, 04:46 AM
What made you think of The Lodger?

OK this episode was different. The Doctor has a crush on Clara..... Oooh.

Cybermen seemed like a real threat now, not just a joke. Gold now won't work on them anymore, and they've now had access to a lot of the Doctor's mind. That can't be good.

The episode was actually good. I enjoyed it for the most part.

I too wondered what that gadget was at the end floating away from the exploded planet. Maybe we'll find out another time, maybe not.

next episode looks fun too.

Couldn't you tell? It was a Cyber Mite.

Nth Chevron
May 12th, 2013, 04:48 AM
Actually i thought it was the half faceplate that was on the Doctors face

N.C

P-90_177
May 12th, 2013, 04:54 AM
Actually i thought it was the half faceplate that was on the Doctors face

N.C

Just checked again. Definitely a Cyber Mite.

cosmichobo
May 12th, 2013, 05:30 AM
All I could think was...

Don't care what happens to the annoying kids, so no drama there (and, of course they're 100% not going to die anyway, so 100% no drama).

Don't care what happens to the army dorks... The only one that had any serious screen time was the boss, and only if we'd had a bit more time with her might we have cared about her decision to try and use the bomb rather than obey the Doctor/Clara's orders. As for the rest, no empathy as we didn't get to know them.

The battle of wills was kind of interesting, though the performance didn't appeal...

The new Cybusmen look... not all that different from the previous incarnation IMO... Yes, more stream lined, and I do like the faces... but we've just traded STOMP STOMP STOMP for... hydraulic noises... and the continuation of the upgrade to now mean they just adapt like the BORG is SUCH a bad idea!!! (About as bad as giving Daleks personal force fields)

Sadly, for this current year, I'd have to say it's probably about the 3rd best of the run.

Blencathra
May 12th, 2013, 06:51 AM
Just checked again. Definitely a Cyber Mite.

Agreed.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7426/8731985902_f52486f6df_o.png

knowles2
May 12th, 2013, 07:11 AM
What made you think of The Lodger?
.

Because the Tardis type craft use Timelord science. An plus the Cybermen use brains to power there bodies, so why not their time ships.

The idea came from the idea presented here that the Doctor may have given the Cybermen some essential piece of knowledge, an I jump to the conclusion that piece of knowledge may be how to make something bigger on the inside and time lord, may as part of a longer term plan for a new time war.

Coco Pops
May 12th, 2013, 07:11 AM
Agreed.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7426/8731985902_f52486f6df_o.png


My bad sorry. My eyes were not focusing tonight.....

It is a cybermite. So will that mite have parts of the knowledge they siphoned off the Doctor.

His comment at the end of the episode was a bit odd. Why even mention Clara's clothing?

knowles2
May 12th, 2013, 07:16 AM
I thought it was a cybermen head when I was watching the episode. Glad it turn out to be a mite.

MasySyma
May 12th, 2013, 08:20 AM
A disappointment. Another one, but worse, a disappointment because the episode had many interesting moments that unfortunately failed.

The Sorta Good:
I liked the emperor and his proposal. Other than those scenes, Warwick Davis was woefully underused, but the ending was interesting.
The punishment unit. They started badly. More Who soldier misfits, who seriously make the military look bad (Unit is embarrassing generally). When you realize they are focused on redemption, their actions gain some meaning.

The Bad Due to Poor Execution:
The actor playing the guy wanting to get off planet was in two seasons of Being Human. He can act. He is amazing and was under utilized.
Matt Smith. This episode confirms that he can act. It just seems like he isn't allowed to do it often this season. When he isn't shouty, rambling, or making an epic Doctor speech, he is interesting, but he still doesn't feel like a Doctor in top form.

The Bad with No Redemption:
Angie. Annoying teenagers should be fed to cybermen. It is sad that we shouldn't want harm to come to the children to have Angie's behavior then seemed designed to make us want to see her cybered.

Another lackluster series 7 episode. I've never been apathetic about a series finale before. I not sure anything can save this season.

Greenee
May 12th, 2013, 09:31 AM
We have the episode tonight where I am. I watch on TV and don't d/load like the rest..... Hmmmm Coco is not a girl BTW at least the last time I checked :p

Oh, sorry, got misled by your avatarpic, than. And the name is rather neutral. I'd watch o TV if it was airing in my country. I have no choice but to streaming/downloading (Ok, i could wait for teh DVDs, but this would take too long, and I'm going to buy them anyway)

P-90_177
May 12th, 2013, 09:46 AM
Agreed.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7426/8731985902_f52486f6df_o.png

Always a pleasure Blen.
Thank you. :)

Starfist
May 12th, 2013, 12:40 PM
Greetings from the unfashionable end of the western spiral arm.

The new look slimline Cybermen...! Cool. They're back and as force to be reckoned with.
I liked the way they moved.

The 'Punishment' platoon... I think they were there because the 'Empire' knew the Emperor was on the planet. And it was nice to see another 'genre' actor in a role in Doctor Who.

I enjoyed what I saw. But will be watching the episode again. Because I'm sure I missed something... :S

Greenee
May 12th, 2013, 01:14 PM
*waves towl to the unfashonable end of the western spiral arm*

'cause you missed something. How could one possibly not while watching an episode of Who for the first time? ;)

GodAtum
May 12th, 2013, 01:20 PM
A disappointment. Another one, but worse, a disappointment because the episode had many interesting moments that unfortunately failed.

The Sorta Good:
I liked the emperor and his proposal. Other than those scenes, Warwick Davis was woefully underused, but the ending was interesting.
The punishment unit. They started badly. More Who soldier misfits, who seriously make the military look bad (Unit is embarrassing generally). When you realize they are focused on redemption, their actions gain some meaning.

The Bad Due to Poor Execution:
The actor playing the guy wanting to get off planet was in two seasons of Being Human. He can act. He is amazing and was under utilized.
Matt Smith. This episode confirms that he can act. It just seems like he isn't allowed to do it often this season. When he isn't shouty, rambling, or making an epic Doctor speech, he is interesting, but he still doesn't feel like a Doctor in top form.

The Bad with No Redemption:
Angie. Annoying teenagers should be fed to cybermen. It is sad that we shouldn't want harm to come to the children to have Angie's behavior then seemed designed to make us want to see her cybered.

Another lackluster series 7 episode. I've never been apathetic about a series finale before. I not sure anything can save this season.

I have to agree with your comments. the only thing good about this was Matt's acting.

Starfist
May 12th, 2013, 01:21 PM
:: Waves a Towel back at Greenee ::

I'll be watching it again because I am sure I missed something... :D
I have been known to watch episodes several times and spot something I didn't spot before.

Besides.... I want to watch the episode again... Because I want to hear what the Doctor said about Clara. And make sure I heard what I thought I heard... :) ;)

Greenee
May 12th, 2013, 01:23 PM
What do you think you've heard?

Starfist
May 12th, 2013, 02:02 PM
What do you think you've heard?

Something about 'Tight Short Skirt's'... :D

SaberBlade
May 12th, 2013, 02:07 PM
Something about 'Tight Short Skirt's'... :D

That's what I heard, but I think that's more because he's a man than interested in Clara like that.

stargatefan234
May 12th, 2013, 02:45 PM
The one in The Lodger.

The silents had a TARDIS just like that in "Day of the Moon", and according to the tardis wiki


During the events of TV: The Lodger, the Doctor enters a TARDIS-like console room, which contains the deceased body of an alien, which distinctly has the same number of fingers as the Silence. It's possible that the events of this story are the reason behind the ship crashing at Aickman Road.

So beyond being silence related we might not get anymore information

Coco Pops
May 12th, 2013, 03:10 PM
I have a question.

They never showed the platoon when they arrived, that was a few minutes in, but when Angie walks into their barracks the blonde woman says "where's your big sister" as she is referring to Clara but hang on they never met on screen before this.......

Greenee
May 12th, 2013, 03:11 PM
Something about 'Tight Short Skirt's'... :D

That's what he said. Too tight


That's what I heard, but I think that's more because he's a man than interested in Clara like that.

Hmm.. not so sure there

Coco Pops
May 12th, 2013, 03:14 PM
The Doctor said and I quote

"A mystery wrapped up in an enigma in an almost too tight skirt"

photographic memory, and one of the few times it comes in handy for me.

Greenee
May 12th, 2013, 03:14 PM
I have a question.

They never showed the platoon when they arrived, that was a few minutes in, but when Angie walks into their barracks the blonde woman says "where's your big sister" as she is referring to Clara but hang on they never met on screen before this.......

I was wondering aboz that as well, but they do meet the punishment people, when they come back from the first round of chess.

Coco Pops
May 13th, 2013, 07:19 AM
Now that the Cybermen can adapt they'd thrash the Daleks in a fight

cosmichobo
May 13th, 2013, 08:01 AM
I have a question.

They never showed the platoon when they arrived, that was a few minutes in, but when Angie walks into their barracks the blonde woman says "where's your big sister" as she is referring to Clara but hang on they never met on screen before this.......

Not planning on re-watching any time soon, but... Didn't at least some of the platoon walk through in the background after their initial appearance... So presumably the blond was amongst those walk-thrus... ?

Either that, or it was from another cut scene... (along with the kids' 4 (never filmed) missing scenes before they landed on the planet... replaced with the scene at the end of Crimson...)

Quizziard
May 13th, 2013, 10:38 AM
I thought it improved on second watching...

Starfist
May 15th, 2013, 12:22 AM
I re-watched the episode.
It was better the second time of watching... :D

Clara can be my mystery wrapped in an enigma in an almost tight skirt... anytime... :D
Roll on the finale...!

maneth
July 22nd, 2013, 09:49 AM
The kids were okay, but I admit I'm getting sick of the Cybermen. Some great acting by MS though.