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March 22nd, 2013, 10:28 PM
<DIV ALIGN="center"><TABLE WIDTH="450" BORDER="0" CELLSPACING="0" CELLPADDING="7"><TR><TD STYLE="border: none;"><DIV ALIGN="left"><FONT FACE="Verdana, Arial, san-serif" SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000"><A HREF="http://www.scifistream.com/doctor-who/s7/the-crimson-horror/"><IMG SRC="http://www.scifistream.com/wp-content/uploads/the-crimson-horror-160x120.jpg" WIDTH="160" HEIGHT="120" ALIGN="right" HSPACE="10" VSPACE="2" BORDER="0" STYLE="border: 1px black solid;" ALT="Visit the Episode Guide"></A><FONT SIZE="1" COLOR="#888888">DOCTOR WHO - SERIES 33</FONT>
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<FONT SIZE="1">EPISODE NUMBER - 3312 (712)</FONT>
<DIV STYLE="margin-top:10px; padding:0;">In the small, Victorian town of Sweetville, Madame Vastra and Jenny find the Doctor held captive by a woman who is leaving her victims behind as corpses with bright red skin.</DIV>
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Teddybrown
May 4th, 2013, 11:14 AM
Pretty good episode, nice to see the gang again, but I do think Strax was a bit underused, was looking forward to some more Strax humour.
So, the kids are smart... Putting everything together...
Good mix of humour and suprises though.

Next weeks looks good. New cybermen!

Sealurk
May 4th, 2013, 11:14 AM
"The Crimson Horror" - I think a possible working title for this episode was "How Yorkshire Can You Be?"

I like Strax's recommended equipment for entering... dum-dum-DUM ...the NORTH! :D

"Casualties can be kept as little as 80%!"

Wow... unexpected creepy red Doctor!

"I once spent a hell of a long time trying to get a gobby Australian to Heathrow airport." Nice reference... :)

The Eleventh Doctor and accents... not a good match.

Sontaran versus horse - the eternal battle of wits continues.

Oh those wacky Victorians and their Sat-Nav street urchins...

I... like Jenny's plan. I think the Doctor did as well.

"SONTAR HAHAHAHAHAHA!"

Ah, the Yorkshire Space Agency's state-of-the-art launch vehicle. Oh, and Babbage Difference Engines using Windows (18)95!

Mr Sweet... it's a safe bet that will end up being the Great Intelligence.

Okay... maybe not. Ew...

Not a bad episode at all! Next week's looks fun!

Quizziard
May 4th, 2013, 11:22 AM
Loads of fun, great one-liners, unexpected twist.

Flyboy
May 4th, 2013, 11:24 AM
Really enjoyed this episode!

I was a bit apprehensive, for some reason I had thought that the episode was going to revolve around sweets and chocolate and was going to be a RTD-style tacky adventure set in a Sweet Factory...

Instead, we got a very good, classic-style Who adventure. The rocket, the parasite, the monster-woman who turns out to be not such a monster, and some great wacky side-characters.

Very much enjoyed this episode!

Pharaoh Hamenthotep
May 4th, 2013, 11:25 AM
Mr Sweet... Ew indeed :S

I was expecting the Great Intelligence...

But! I now have a theory..

The Doctor wanted to go to London because that's where he met Clara the first time.. He ended up in Yorkshire by mistake, but Clara appeared in London as well.. and died there because the timeline was altered.. her timeline was altered.. The Clara he met the first time was the same one he has been travelling with, but time is being altered by someone or something.. leading The Doctor to something.. or away from something.. and that's where it starts to fall apart because I've only been thinking about it for two minutes since end of the episode with the photos on the laptop..

All the Claras have been the same age.. with the same personalities.. because they're the same person. Each time the timeline is altered she dies for some reason...(erase the timeline, erase the person? Or to deepen the mystery) And The Doctor is there to see it.. to keep him focussed on her so the thing (The Great Intelligence?) can complete it's plan without interruption? The Doctor is too busy solving the mystery of Clara so he doesn't notice what else is going on...

But anyway... We need more Strax :D He's one of the best recurring characters.. if only he would recur more often.. And I live in the North.. Strax definitely had the right idea...

Sealurk
May 4th, 2013, 11:29 AM
I think you've hit on something there PH - could Clara be a diversion, a mystery so enticing the Doctor can't resist and that diverts all his attention from much grander and scarier problems?

mjwalshe
May 4th, 2013, 11:30 AM
Ah, the Yorkshire Space Agency's state-of-the-art launch vehicle. Oh, and Babbage Difference Engines using Windows (18)95!


Also Note Ada's name nice reference to Ada Lovelace.

BruTak
May 4th, 2013, 11:31 AM
Loved that to bits. Barking mad! :D

Thomas Thomas... deary, deary, deary me... I bet Mark Gatiss has been wanting to use that gag in something for years.

Pharaoh Hamenthotep
May 4th, 2013, 11:36 AM
I think you've hit on something there PH - could Clara be a diversion, a mystery so enticing the Doctor can't resist and that diverts all his attention from much grander and scarier problems?

:cool: It was the photos on the laptop that did it.. but it raises the question of what are we missing?

But again, Mr Sweet.. ew :S I suppose the Great Intelligence was busy in London.. really was expecting it though..

Casualties can be kept as little as 80% We need more Strax! :D

Teddybrown
May 4th, 2013, 11:52 AM
Strax would make a great companion!

Sealurk
May 4th, 2013, 12:30 PM
Also Note Ada's name nice reference to Ada Lovelace.

Well spotted, I hadn't caught that at all!


Loved that to bits. Barking mad! :D

Thomas Thomas... deary, deary, deary me... I bet Mark Gatiss has been wanting to use that gag in something for years.

How did I not get this first time around? So, so bad, and yet so, so funny. Gatiss has absolutely excelled himself with his writing for this series.


Strax would make a great companion!

Yes. Yes he would. Though I'm not sure the Doctor would let him bring his arsenal personal effects on board the TARDIS. Hell, I'm not sure the TARDIS would let him bring them on board the TARDIS.

Pharaoh Hamenthotep
May 4th, 2013, 12:48 PM
They should keep him as a recurring character. Doctor Who desperately needs recurring characters to stop it being just a monster of the week show.. They fill out the universe.. make it more real. And they can make the writing stronger. Having characters that can be brought out in different situations, each with their own strengths and weaknesses and stories to tell.. Instead of the deus ex machina sonic screwdriver..

Pharaoh Hamenthotep
May 4th, 2013, 01:10 PM
Now, in fairness, this time Gatiss mostly kept it out of the way. Even, arguably, hanging a lantern on the over-use. Twice.


Indeed, another good thing about this episode.

There were also a lot of other characters to help out.. no need to make make the TARDIS disappear or use the screwdriver on everything..

They should use more chairs.. and Strax :D

Quizziard
May 4th, 2013, 01:13 PM
Instead of the deus ex machina sonic screwdriver..

Now, in fairness, this time Gatiss mostly kept it out of the way. Even, arguably, hanging a lantern on the over-use. Twice.

BruTak
May 4th, 2013, 01:13 PM
Now, I'm not usually one for action figures, but when the Vastra, Jenny and Strax set comes out I'm buying it. :)

Flyboy
May 4th, 2013, 01:38 PM
Now, I'm not usually one for action figures, but when the Vastra, Jenny and Strax set comes out I'm buying it. :)

Dirty boy...!

BruTak
May 4th, 2013, 01:58 PM
Dirty boy...!

You haud yer wheesht you! Filthy minded swine.

Blencathra
May 4th, 2013, 02:01 PM
That was a good fun episode. I enjoyed it very much. It did remind me of Carry on Screaming ("Frying tonight!") but as I really like that film, that's no bad thing.

I totally agree that Strax, Jenny and Vastra need a spin off.

Actually I felt rather sorry for Mr Sweet at the end. Such a shame he got squished.

Matt G
May 4th, 2013, 02:15 PM
Hmmmm...

1. It was wierd not seeing the Doctor and Clara for a while.

2. What's that being locked in the room is it...a cocky git from the planet Galifrey? WTF?

3. Probably the best use I've seen of Vestra, Jenny and Strax yet! :)

4. "I'm the Doctor, you're nuts...":)

5. Wasn't expecting what Mr Sweet turned out to be though.

6. Not quite sure what the point of bringing the kids in is but showing Clara her Victorian self is interesting.

Certainly a step up from last time round!

techs
May 4th, 2013, 03:14 PM
Thomas Thomas? Tom Tom.
Ok, now I get it.

Sealurk
May 4th, 2013, 04:10 PM
Other things I noticed upon rewatching:

I'm trying to read those posters that were pasted to the wall in front of Strax and Vastra in case they have references, jokes, secrets or foreshadowing in them. Unfortunately for some reason I didn't record the HD version of the episode. So far I have (spoilered for length):
"WELCOME TO SCARRED SAM'S WEIRD AND WONDERFUL HUMAN WAX WORX PRESENTED BY THE M???IES FROM MANCHESTER JOLLY JOHN"

"THE CIRCUS IS IN TOWN COME SEE FREAKS GHOULS ??? GHOSTS PERFORM, TALKING DOGS, PERFORMING RATS AND DASTARDLY DONNA! SHOOTING GALLERIES STALLS AND GAMES, FIREWORKS, MAGICAL, SP?????, LIGHTS IN THE SKY, 100S OF SHOOTING STARS, TO END THE EXTRAVAGANZA FRIDAY 5TH APRIL..."
There are others (one on the very left mentioning St Pancras) but they're obscured - more importantly, why do I suspect that mention of Dastardly Donna is either incidental or a very deliberate red herring?
After the Tegan reference the Doctor says "Brave heart Clara" - how did I miss that?!? Probably too busy laughing at the reference I suppose.
Clara's look after the Doctor tries to do a Northern-ish accent made me smile. Clearly his last but one regeneration hasn't had much lasting impact...
The bit where the Doctor gets dipped into a vat of red venom is actually rather creepy and sinister I thought.
"I think you will do well, Thomas Thomas." What, no mention of Mr. Magellan's Magical and Most Convenient Celestial Navigational Contraption?
Lucky that giant bell jar shattered in just the right way not to shred Clara and her fellow occupant...
I LOVE the Doctor's response immediately after Jenny disrobes. Then again, maybe I'm reading too much into it... :D
Strax, as far as I'm concerned, you can eat all the Jelly Sherbet Fancies you want. Just tell me what it is you muttered after being ordered outside. All I heard was "grenades"...
I don't know why, but Clara is bit more likeable in this episode. Not quite as smug and superior, but still clearly clever and able to impress the Doctor.
"My monster" - I suspect that is going to be a lot more relevant soon.
I'm sort of surprised that when Mrs Gillyflower says the Doctor keeps turning up like a bad penny he doesn't say "Force of habit... and middle name". Missed opportunity there!
I loved Diana Rigg's performance in this episode. She does creepily pleasant and utterly unhinged very well. "You know what these are? The wrong hands, ahaha!"
Just how did Strax get up there? Amongst all the scissor grenades and laser monkeys and acid mines, does he also have spider socks, a hover vest or jet gauntlets? Or maybe the Doctor entrusted the antigravity Triumph to him?
Strax in a top hat... just awesome.
Clara... the boss? That sounds ominous and portentous and generally extremely very not good.
"No, I was in Victorian Yorkshire" followed by the perfect 'DAMN IT!' look.

Pharaoh Hamenthotep
May 4th, 2013, 04:34 PM
The boss... The Master? :p

:weiranime42: Seems to be a lot of misdirection to keep people guessing..

*checks ^'s location* You live near PH :eek: ...Fake Northern accents are easy to spot.. Especially the Yorks/Lincs area ones.. when they say T'internet or T'lion, T'witch and T'wardrobe.. We really don't do that..

:weiranime42:

Sealurk
May 4th, 2013, 04:43 PM
You're definitely right about the accents (I'm not even completely sure why he did one considering Jenny got in with a very obvious cockney accent). I'm not a Lincolnshire native though (I've been all over the place) but best I can tell after over a decade in Lincolnshire everybody just calls each other 'mate' or 'duck' and 'treated' becomes 'tret'. At it's thickest it's like Diet Yorkshire.

And yes, my first thought was the Master as well! :D

knowles2
May 4th, 2013, 05:03 PM
Pretty good episode, nice to see the gang again, but I do think Strax was a bit underused, was looking forward to some more Strax humour.
So, the kids are smart... Putting everything together...
Good mix of humour and suprises though.

Next weeks looks good. New cybermen!

or were the kids given everything they need(the great intelligence lives on the internet). Or are they Clara handlers for whom ever she really work for.



"WELCOME TO SCARRED SAM'S WEIRD AND WONDERFUL HUMAN WAX WORX PRESENTED BY THE M???IES FROM MANCHESTER JOLLY JOHN"

"THE CIRCUS IS IN TOWN COME SEE FREAKS GHOULS ??? GHOSTS PERFORM, TALKING DOGS, PERFORMING RATS AND DASTARDLY DONNA! SHOOTING GALLERIES STALLS AND GAMES, FIREWORKS, MAGICAL, SP?????, LIGHTS IN THE SKY, 100S OF SHOOTING STARS, TO END THE EXTRAVAGANZA FRIDAY 5TH APRIL..."

more evidence to support my newest theory, clara is something similar to I.E Foreman.

From this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YV5zZ9Is85I&feature=youtube_gdata_player ,

http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/I.M._Foreman

I got the hint that she could be I.M Foreman or at least a time lord that shared a similar fate to I.M Foreman, their story matches up better than most of the other theories I heard or read. An of cause I.M Foreman could always have a connection with Susan Foreman.

I was disappointed that the battle of the supermodels was so short, wanted a far longer, a little more intense fight scene.

Pharaoh Hamenthotep
May 4th, 2013, 05:08 PM
I was born in Lincolnshire but I lived in London for 4 years.. before moving back (not by choice :() Sometimes I catch a bit of my own accent and think " Gah!! Is that what I sound like?!" ...At least no one here will notice.. :p

Maybe The Doctor was tying to blend in.. or just wanted to prove he could do an exaggerated Yorkshire accent..

I get called "sweetheart" more than "mate" :S Sometimes "duck" or "love" or "sweetie" :S And it's ok to kill those people.. :p

Nolamom
May 4th, 2013, 05:32 PM
"horse, you have failed in your duty! Do you have any last words before you are summarily executed?" Gah! Love it!

Teddybrown
May 4th, 2013, 05:36 PM
"horse, you have failed in your duty! Do you have any last words before you are summarily executed?" Gah! Love it!

Haha, oh and Strax says "Ill go play with my grenades then" when he walks off after being told off by Vastra

Nolamom
May 4th, 2013, 08:12 PM
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j55/Nolamom/Fun%20gifs/Strax_armor.png~original (http://s77.photobucket.com/user/Nolamom/media/Fun%20gifs/Strax_armor.png.html) http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j55/Nolamom/Fun%20gifs/Strax.png~original (http://s77.photobucket.com/user/Nolamom/media/Fun%20gifs/Strax.png.html)

Quizziard
May 4th, 2013, 10:14 PM
I was disappointed that the battle of the supermodels was so short, wanted a far longer, a little more intense fight scene.

I suspect it's as much because "proper" fights take a long time to train for, rehearse and execute. And because the actress playing Jenny (judging by the "behind the scenes" footage) has no experience of marshal arts or fighting.

BruTak
May 5th, 2013, 12:51 AM
Not wanting to pick holes in the plot, but a couple of things bothered me.

Firstly - at the beginning of the episode when Mrs. Gillyflower tells the young woman that she's "So sorry for your loss...". Surely that's an Americanism? And moreover, a modern Americanism?

Secondly - at the end of the episode, why would the kids automatically assume that Clara's a time traveller purely on the basis of a few pictures they found online?
I've seen a picture of Batman giving a pep talk to troops of the 101st Airborne Division prior to D-Day, that doesn't mean he's a time traveller.
There's this thing called Photoshop...

Greenee
May 5th, 2013, 02:36 AM
Mr Sweet... Ew indeed :S

I was expecting the Great Intelligence...

But! I now have a theory..

The Doctor wanted to go to London because that's where he met Clara the first time.. He ended up in Yorkshire by mistake, but Clara appeared in London as well.. and died there because the timeline was altered.. her timeline was altered.. The Clara he met the first time was the same one he has been travelling with, but time is being altered by someone or something.. leading The Doctor to something.. or away from something.. and that's where it starts to fall apart because I've only been thinking about it for two minutes since end of the episode with the photos on the laptop..

All the Claras have been the same age.. with the same personalities.. because they're the same person. Each time the timeline is altered she dies for some reason...(erase the timeline, erase the person? Or to deepen the mystery) And The Doctor is there to see it.. to keep him focussed on her so the thing (The Great Intelligence?) can complete it's plan without interruption? The Doctor is too busy solving the mystery of Clara so he doesn't notice what else is going on...

But anyway... We need more Strax :D He's one of the best recurring characters.. if only he would recur more often.. And I live in the North.. Strax definitely had the right idea...

Verry nice theory. Good episode. I had some difficulty with the accents to understand everything. I definitly need a rewatch. Yeah, having the "gang" back together was a nice thing And I loved the ending with the kids. Though I don't no if I want them to have around as new +companions. But why did the doctor drop Clara at her place and vanish? I wonder what motivs and charcters from this episode will be picked up again. There is a lot of potention to later references etc. WOnder if we see Ada again. The goodbye had all the air of bringing her back sooner or later.
I admit I thought Mr Sweet had something to do with the G.I., as well. Very creepy but also cute monster.

cosmichobo
May 5th, 2013, 03:38 AM
Who is this Susan Foreman?


Did I miss the explanation... How did Mrs Evilhands know how to build a rocket? The slug thing was just a throwback to Jurassic times, so it didn't tell her how to build it...

I spent the entire episode waiting for the GI revelation... especially as I'm 3/4 thru reading my son "The Abominable Snowmen", with its evil goo oozing pyramid... Due to the above, I'm still expecting the GI to have been involved - unless I missed a realistic reason behind the early Aero Space program...

When the Doctor/Clara weren't to be seen for the first 1/4 of the episode, I was wondering if we were getting a "lite" episode... (with much consternation given the short season... err sorry, short year... err - whatever) Ultimately perhaps it was still pretty light for the 2 main actors... Certainly felt Clara-lite.

As to the 3 Stooges... I enjoyed seeing more of Jenny... but then ultimately felt like the Lizard Girl had very little screen time... Ultimately quite realistic, as having her freely roaming round olden times England with a "skin complaint" as the only explanation really never cut it for me...

If Strax were any more recurring than he is, I've little doubt we'd all get very sick/er of him... Doctor Who doesn't need a comic relief... Oh wait, that's where they got their lead writer...

Coco Pops
May 5th, 2013, 04:06 AM
Finally a great episode I really enjoyed this...

What did the Sonic do that was a bit odd? Did it help Jenny change outfits?

Sorry saw Jenny change into leather but what did the sonic do today that was so different to the usual uses? I read online that it did something different this episode.

And do the lizard lady and Sontaran remember other events like demon's run?

I loved the feel of this episode a lot. It really did feel like Doctor Who

cosmichobo
May 5th, 2013, 04:16 AM
Oh yes, that was my other gripe...

The sonic - somehow unreddened the Doctor when he was tucked up in that little cubicle... Then unfroze Clara too... with no real explanation whatsoever....


And um... a woman's period (to quote a Rimmerism), anyone?

Coco Pops
May 5th, 2013, 04:18 AM
Oh yes, that was my other gripe...

The sonic - somehow unreddened the Doctor when he was tucked up in that little cubicle... Then unfroze Clara too... with no real explanation whatsoever....


And um... a woman's period (to quote a Rimmerism), anyone?



A what?

cosmichobo
May 5th, 2013, 04:30 AM
http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/10600000/Arnold-Rimmer-chris-barrie-10686222-363-272.jpg

Coco Pops
May 5th, 2013, 04:32 AM
http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/10600000/Arnold-Rimmer-chris-barrie-10686222-363-272.jpg


Oh him. He's a git. Funny git but a git all the same.

knowles2
May 5th, 2013, 04:46 AM
Not wanting to pick holes in the plot, but a couple of things bothered me.

Firstly - at the beginning of the episode when Mrs. Gillyflower tells the young woman that she's "So sorry for your loss...". Surely that's an Americanism? And moreover, a modern Americanism?

Secondly - at the end of the episode, why would the kids automatically assume that Clara's a time traveller purely on the basis of a few pictures they found online?
I've seen a picture of Batman giving a pep talk to troops of the 101st Airborne Division prior to D-Day, that doesn't mean he's a time traveller.
There's this thing called Photoshop...

The whole episodes stinks of having someone acting from behind the scenes and I don't think that someone was Mr Sweet. The Doctor even said it himself that the slug would have needed a protector.

I think the great intelligence is behind all of this, including helping those meddling kids get aboard the Tardis. He got to keep the Doctor distracted from all those anomalies, WW1 guns in victorian times. The rocket programme. Those people singing Jerusalem before it was even written. An even from discovering the answer to his own questions and hypotheses.

BruTak
May 5th, 2013, 07:33 AM
WW1 guns in Victorian times.Yeah. Meant to mention that, the revolver was a bit too modern looking.


The rocket programme.I didn't have a problem with the rocket. Rockets have been used by the military since at least the late 18th centruy.


Those people singing Jerusalem before it was even written.Were the words they were singing the actual lyrics to Jerusalem? Wasn't it just a hymn with the music for Jerusalem?

knowles2
May 5th, 2013, 07:39 AM
Yeah. Meant to mention that, the revolver was a bit too modern looking.

I didn't have a problem with the rocket. Rockets have been used by the military since at least the late 18th centruy.

Were the words they were singing the actual lyrics to Jerusalem? Wasn't it just a hymn with the music for Jerusalem?

I square they were singing the words.

stargatefan234
May 5th, 2013, 07:52 AM
next week looks soooooooooooooooooooo good!

Nth Chevron
May 5th, 2013, 08:56 AM
I really wish people would drop the "manipulating the Doctor through time" theory, its season 7 not 5, the only way i'll find it acceptable to rehash the "pretty little thing" the Doctor became fixated upon, to the detriment of noticing his surroundings, is if this is a continuation of the TARDIS exploding voice.

As i understand it, Trenzalore is coming at the end of this season, at the back end of S6 the Doctor realised "Silence will fall" was his own silence, his death.

What sort of being could control the TARDIS like that and project its voice into the TARDIS to warn the DOctor of his 11th self's death?

Also, the pics where a little shock, but the amount of research to find them *low whistle*

N.C

P-90_177
May 5th, 2013, 09:06 AM
I really wish people would drop the "manipulating the Doctor through time" theory, its season 7 not 5, the only way i'll find it acceptable to rehash the "pretty little thing" the Doctor became fixated upon, to the detriment of noticing his surroundings, is if this is a continuation of the TARDIS exploding voice.

As i understand it, Trenzalore is coming at the end of this season, at the back end of S6 the Doctor realised "Silence will fall" was his own silence, his death.

What sort of being could control the TARDIS like that and project its voice into the TARDIS to warn the DOctor of his 11th self's death?

Also, the pics where a little shock, but the amount of research to find them *low whistle*

N.C

I don't think we will get back to this cos I think it was the TARDIS acting on its own but if they did ever want to come back to it, remember the echo room from Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS. Clara could interact with everything in the cosole room without actually being in it.

techs
May 5th, 2013, 09:33 AM
I haven't seen anything to preclude my theory that Clara is some sort of "ganger". The Silence are still the big bad in the series and they would have had a fall back plan if River didn't kill the Doctor.

Somehow Clara is the ganger of River. The pre-marriage River. Perhaps the one that showed up in New York as a young girl after regenerating. Perhaps there was another regeneration that the Silence wiped from Rivers mind and Clara(River) is strapped into a machine like in The Rebel Flesh.

I suspect when we see River in the finale she will recognize Clara. I also think that they will find a way to put some closure on Rivers being downloaded after she died so we won't always be wondering if somehow she escaped back into the real world.

Quizziard
May 5th, 2013, 11:26 AM
Were the words they were singing the actual lyrics to Jerusalem? Wasn't it just a hymn with the music for Jerusalem?

It's actually the music that wasn't written in 1893. The words were from 80+ years earlier.
Though I'd agree about the knowledge that Mr Sweet was symbiotically teaching Mrs RegionalAccent - it's just a pollutantly enhanced toxic grub, not an intelligent alien worm thingy.

MasySyma
May 5th, 2013, 06:17 PM
Finally, a decent episode of Who! Last week was so bad, I had to shut it off after 30 minutes of crap, but this week was ok.

I, too, was struck by the absence of 11 and Clara and that our Victorian trio is more fun than the current leads.

At least this week was not a waste of time.

Quizziard
May 5th, 2013, 08:29 PM
As the (other) doctor said, T' Crimson 'orror!

Coco Pops
May 5th, 2013, 10:07 PM
Did anyone notice?


When Jenny beats down the first few people the Sonic is pointing back at the roof again, combine this with "You have no idea how good that feels" when he gets slapped... He also seemed to be checking Jenny out before he kissed her.

The Doctor is certainly turning into a horny old bugger.

Which just isn't right. it's just not Dr. Who

min min light
May 5th, 2013, 10:38 PM
That was so extremely weird that I've been wondering if it could have been some kind of a clue, except it was so weird that I don't even know what the clue would be hinting at. Is there some kind of a Time Lord version of Pon farr? Does the Doctor have a virus? Is he somehow reverting into a teenager? It's just strange.

Coco Pops
May 5th, 2013, 11:03 PM
That was so extremely weird that I've been wondering if it could have been some kind of a clue, except it was so weird that I don't even know what the clue would be hinting at. Is there some kind of a Time Lord version of Pon farr? Does the Doctor have a virus? Is he somehow reverting into a teenager? It's just strange.


OMG the Doctor undergoing Phon Pharr...... :D :o :eek:

Either way the writing's a bit off in my opinion. And he snogged her too didn't he?

The Flyattractor
May 5th, 2013, 11:06 PM
I liked this episode...*waits for world to end*. Only one complaint....NOT ENOUGHT STRAX!!!!!!

Coco Pops
May 5th, 2013, 11:18 PM
I liked this episode...*waits for world to end*. Only one complaint....NOT ENOUGHT STRAX!!!!!!


Yes isn't he awesome?

Greenee
May 6th, 2013, 12:56 AM
Did anyone notice?


When Jenny beats down the first few people the Sonic is pointing back at the roof again, combine this with "You have no idea how good that feels" when he gets slapped... He also seemed to be checking Jenny out before he kissed her.

The Doctor is certainly turning into a horny old bugger.

Which just isn't right. it's just not Dr. Who


I didn't notice the Sonic. But I thougt he said "You have no ida how good that feels" because he is reliefed to feel again, or even that he's not alone anymore, that someone else is there interacting with him. Even when this person slapps him. Same for the kiss. To be it was rather some kind of overexcitement, than anything else. as foe the next scene with the leather-Jenny... hm, I'm not sure, maybe youve got a pont there.

Flyboy
May 6th, 2013, 01:26 AM
I didn't notice the Sonic. But I thougt he said "You have no ida how good that feels" because he is reliefed to feel again, or even that he's not alone anymore, that someone else is there interacting with him. Even when this person slapps him. Same for the kiss. To be it was rather some kind of overexcitement, than anything else. as foe the next scene with the leather-Jenny... hm, I'm not sure, maybe youve got a pont there.

Quite right!

BruTak
May 6th, 2013, 01:35 AM
I liked this episode...*waits for world to end*. Only one complaint....NOT ENOUGHT STRAX!!!!!!

I hope someone's keeping track of all the bizarre weapons he keeps mentioning. :)

GodAtum
May 6th, 2013, 02:58 AM
I dont get the end, havent they heard photos can be photoshopped?

Greenee
May 6th, 2013, 03:13 AM
I hope someone's keeping track of all the bizarre weapons he keeps mentioning. :)

Won't be me. I haven*t got the slightest interesst in weapons. (Maby that's why I like the Doctor so much)


I dont get the end, havent they heard photos can be photoshopped?

They should have. On teh other hand. WE know teh photos are real. And as fare as I remamber there where pictures taken is the episodes we see pictures of. Especially in this peticular one, there where a lot of shots, in an 19th century-style in the flashback to what happend to CLara and the Doctor before they got sepperated. I wonder who took this fotos and wheather this is of further importance or has somthing to do with the G.I. If so, where is the link to "Hide" where we know the fotos where taken to spot the gohst.

Sealurk
May 6th, 2013, 03:19 AM
I hope someone's keeping track of all the bizarre weapons he keeps mentioning. :)

Automated laser monkeys, scalpel mines, acid, projectile acid fish, pulver grenades, scissor grenades, limbo vapour, triple blast brain splitters, magnetic cluster mines, acid-filled trenches and grenades. LOTS of grenades and acid. Those are the ones I can remember anyway... :D


I dont get the end, havent they heard photos can be photoshopped?

This is why it's probable that somebody is behind the kids finding the photos and believing them to be genuine. They clearly aren't unintelligent and don't seem to be particularly gullible, so they must have some reason to believe they are genuine and Clara is a time traveller (of course that reason could be Clara's "No, I was in Victorian Yorkshire" line more or less proving what may have just been a wild, fun theory to that point). :)

P-90_177
May 6th, 2013, 03:43 AM
I dont get the end, havent they heard photos can be photoshopped?

Keep in mind that not for the first time the camera focused on the external camera screen as Clara got home, showing the TARDIS fade away.
If the kids had seen that at some point (since Clara seemed to have been coming and going a lot) then they had probably twigged already that something strange had been going on.

Greenee
May 6th, 2013, 04:14 AM
(since Clara seemed to have been coming and going a lot)

Waht makes you think that? I mean, it is possible of course, but were there any hints in the last episodes, that she went home between adventures? Bu I do wander what it meant that be saw the TARDIS leaving without her. I wasn't under the ipression, the doctor would let her out of side as long she hasn't solved the mysterie who she is.

min min light
May 6th, 2013, 04:16 AM
I wonder who took this fotos

And uploaded them, and to what - I didn't notice? Were they on Facebook or Tumblr or on a website with its own domain or what? Photos have to go somewhere, they don't just float around in cyberspace limbo until someone decides to look for them.

Skydiver
May 6th, 2013, 04:23 AM
If all a person wants to do is come in and complain, it's their prerogative. As long as their criticism follows the rules, they can express it. What other users can do, if they don't want to read it, scroll fast or put that person on ignore. Think of it as a win/win. They can express themselves, you don' t have to read it.

It sucks when a fandom becomes divided. When all people want to do is talk about the show, but all some want to do is express their frustration that the show has changed to something they no longer like, and since fandom usually means an emotional attachment to a show, people get emotional about those changes. The key is how folks handle that emotion.

A little tolerance and mutual respect could go a long way.

If a person hates the show...hate it. But think of your fellow forum members. Put yourself in their shoes. If you liked a show would you like it if someone perpetually came in and tore it apart?

Those of you that still enjoy the show....how would you feel if it changed to the point that you no longer liked it and you lost that hour of enjoyment each week? Wouldn't you be upset? Learn to scroll. Failing that, put someone on ignore.

Sealurk
May 6th, 2013, 04:34 AM
Artie mentions that he found the photo of Clara on the submarine in 1983 at school, and immediately asks if Clara's "boyfriend" is an alien... because of his chin(!). I'd say somebody is prompting them, and it's a fair bet it's the Great Intelligence.

Also, for those who were wondering if the revolver Mrs Gillyflower was using was anachronistic, it looked like a Webley RIC which was first made in 1868 (and used by Custer at Little Big Horn in 1876), twenty-five years before the episode takes place.

Hope that helps!

min min light
May 6th, 2013, 04:47 AM
Artie mentions that he found the photo of Clara on the submarine in 1983 at school, and immediately asks if Clara's "boyfriend" is an alien... because of his chin(!). I'd say somebody is prompting them

That does make more sense.

P-90_177
May 6th, 2013, 05:22 AM
What makes you think that? I mean, it is possible of course, but were there any hints in the last episodes, that she went home between adventures? But I do wonder what it meant that we saw the TARDIS leaving without her. I wasn't under the impression, the doctor would let her out of sight as long as he hasn't solved the mystery of who she is.

At the end of the Rings of Akhaten he drops her back off at home. Now granted that doesn't mean that he hasn't necessarily taken her on several adventures in a row but given how she felt about still taking care of the kids in the first episode then I'm guessing that she has been back quite a few times.
If nothing else the kids may have seen The TARDIS disappear during the Rings of Akhaten. And given that they possibly would realise that it was a police call box from the 1960's that disappeared then with a childs imagination they may have come to the conclusion that it was a time machine and decided to do a little digging.

BruTak
May 6th, 2013, 06:20 AM
Automated laser monkeys, scalpel mines, acid, projectile acid fish, pulver grenades, scissor grenades, limbo vapour, triple blast brain splitters, magnetic cluster mines, acid-filled trenches and grenades. LOTS of grenades and acid. Those are the ones I can remember anyway... :D

Bless you Sealurk. :)

Coco Pops
May 6th, 2013, 06:34 AM
If all a person wants to do is come in and complain, it's their prerogative. As long as their criticism follows the rules, they can express it. What other users can do, if they don't want to read it, scroll fast or put that person on ignore. Think of it as a win/win. They can express themselves, you don' t have to read it.

It sucks when a fandom becomes divided. When all people want to do is talk about the show, but all some want to do is express their frustration that the show has changed to something they no longer like, and since fandom usually means an emotional attachment to a show, people get emotional about those changes. The key is how folks handle that emotion.

A little tolerance and mutual respect could go a long way.

If a person hates the show...hate it. But think of your fellow forum members. Put yourself in their shoes. If you liked a show would you like it if someone perpetually came in and tore it apart?

Those of you that still enjoy the show....how would you feel if it changed to the point that you no longer liked it and you lost that hour of enjoyment each week? Wouldn't you be upset? Learn to scroll. Failing that, put someone on ignore.



If that was me I'm sorry.

I just love the show but at times find little bits frustrate me. Modern Who is not like classic Who and I find things being changed just don't sit well with me sometimes.

Sorry to anyone if any comments I made caused upset.

Pharaoh Hamenthotep
May 6th, 2013, 07:32 AM
I dont get the end, havent they heard photos can be photoshopped?

But they know that Clara isn't good with computers..

And if someone could photoshop Clara into those photos, why would they do it? A photo in a Russian submarine, a haunted house and a 19th century portrait.. it seems a little random for an evil internet sorcerer.. Photoshopping someone into a photo is usually to make it look like they did something they didn't do.. Or to add them to holiday photos.. Or just fun head swapping :weiranime42:

And then there's the problem of finding them.. I doubt there's a "Photoshopped Clara photos for surprising end of episode plot twist" site..

techs
May 6th, 2013, 08:31 AM
I wonder why Clara was so "shocked" by the picture that she couldn't remember being in. Wouldn't she just assume that's from an adventure with the Doctor that hasn't happened for her yet?

knowles2
May 6th, 2013, 09:04 AM
But they know that Clara isn't good with computers.. wasn't good with computers. She is now, since she absorbed knowledge from GI. May be that another reason they decided to launched their little investigation, with her suddenly becoming good/brilliant at using computers.


And if someone could photoshop Clara into those photos, why would they do it? A photo in a Russian submarine, a haunted house and a 19th century portrait.. it seems a little random for an evil internet sorcerer.. Photoshopping someone into a photo is usually to make it look like they did something they didn't do.. Or to add them to holiday photos.. Or just fun head swapping :weiranime42:
presuming it is the GI, then he want those kids on the Tardis for a reason, possibly to distract the doctor, possible even help discovered his good side again, or may be to collect intelligence on him, infiltrate the Tardis.



And then there's the problem of finding them.. I doubt there's a "Photoshopped Clara photos for surprising end of episode plot twist" site..
Google image search. They got the orginal photos of the house security system of the Doctor, plus I am sure Clara have had her photo take with them or they got them the same way they got the doctors.

Kids are pretty handy with computers nowadays. An the kids look reasonable intelligent to me.

Pharaoh Hamenthotep
May 6th, 2013, 09:36 AM
I sometimes try to find pictures of myself on Google..

Nothing yet..

BruTak
May 6th, 2013, 09:44 AM
I sometimes try to find pictures of myself on Google..

Nothing yet..

I just Googled myself (fnarr fnarr) and the first five photos are pics I took, and the third one is a pic of me in my nice suit at a friend's wedding a few years ago. :)

MasySyma
May 6th, 2013, 10:39 AM
If that was me I'm sorry.

I just love the show but at times find little bits frustrate me. Modern Who is not like classic Who and I find things being changed just don't sit well with me sometimes.

Sorry to anyone if any comments I made caused upset.

I'm sure I contribute too. I appreciate that this forum and subsection allows for diverse opinions. Outpost Gallifrey and some other Who forums are extremely clique-filled and allow for ZERO dissent, whether someone loves or detests an episode.

New Who has become a more divisive show. I think this forum reflects the range of opinions, which is important.

If I stop watching a show, I stop commenting on it or visiting its forums or folders. For example, I respect those who enjoy OUAT, but I won't critique what I no longer watch.

I still care enough about Who to be upset about it. When I stop wanting to comment and read the views of others, it will be time to stop watching.

Pharaoh Hamenthotep
May 6th, 2013, 10:39 AM
I just Googled myself (fnarr fnarr) and the first five photos are pics I took, and the third one is a pic of me in my nice suit at a friend's wedding a few years ago. :)

Maybe it's just me... :(

MasySyma
May 6th, 2013, 10:45 AM
OMG the Doctor undergoing Phon Pharr...... :D :o :eek:

Either way the writing's a bit off in my opinion. And he snogged her too didn't he?

The kiss (because of the type of kiss) was abrupt and largely out of line because we know Jenny is married. Had he kissed Clara, it would have looked like a man? happy to be alive and whole again.

The Sonic vibrating at Jenny wasn't subtle either.

BruTak
May 6th, 2013, 10:48 AM
Outpost Gallifrey and some other Who forums are extremely clique-filled and allow for ZERO dissent, whether someone loves or detests an episode.

You ain't just whistlin' Dixie, buddy.

Greenee
May 6th, 2013, 11:28 AM
At the end of the Rings of Akhaten he drops her back off at home. Now granted that doesn't mean that he hasn't necessarily taken her on several adventures in a row but given how she felt about still taking care of the kids in the first episode then I'm guessing that she has been back quite a few times.
If nothing else the kids may have seen The TARDIS disappear during the Rings of Akhaten. And given that they possibly would realise that it was a police call box from the 1960's that disappeared then with a childs imagination they may have come to the conclusion that it was a time machine and decided to do a little digging.

Ah, ok. Did't remember that.
As for the photos: Well, I think noone considerd, the pictures realy WERE photoshoped, did they? I mean, we know that the photos must be real, because, first, we've seen them (or at least some) being taken) second, because we know shes been in this places. The question was rather, why did the kids have no doubt at all, that this pictures were real.

Matt G
May 6th, 2013, 03:13 PM
NOt sure where the Photoshop theory is coming from. Why the hell would anyone Photoshop a relatively obscure woman. As for the kids, well kids will believe a lot of crazy things, it just turns out that this crazy thing was true.

Nolamom
May 6th, 2013, 04:36 PM
I wonder why Clara was so "shocked" by the picture that she couldn't remember being in. Wouldn't she just assume that's from an adventure with the Doctor that hasn't happened for her yet?

Actually, most people tend to think linear with time, not timey-whimey. It likely wouldn't occur to her that she hadn't been there YET. We remember the past, and are not necessarily very good at projecting ourselves into future situations. Likely, after she has been with the Doctor a bit longer, she will think more "outside the box".

The Flyattractor
May 7th, 2013, 12:13 PM
I hope someone's keeping track of all the bizarre weapons he keeps mentioning. :)

I also like the way he annoys Jenni. That scrawny boy.:p

And just to ask. Was the actor/ess that is the Silurian Lady not avaliable for the whole episode? Seemed like she kinda fell into the background for half the episode.

BruTak
May 7th, 2013, 12:27 PM
I also like the way he annoys Jenni. That scrawny boy.:p

And just to ask. Was the actor/ess that is the Silurian Lady not avaliable for the whole episode? Seemed like she kinda fell into the background for half the episode.
Possibly this episode was filmed back to back with "The Name of the Doctor". Given that Vastra. Jenny and Strax are to appear in that as well.

Coco Pops
May 7th, 2013, 08:03 PM
Howcome no one got char grilled when the rocket took off/

Quizziard
May 7th, 2013, 09:46 PM
Howcome no one got char grilled when the rocket took off/

It was a Victorian rocket, so steam powered... ;)

Greenee
May 8th, 2013, 01:07 AM
I said:

I didn't notice the Sonic. But I thougt he said "You have no ida how good that feels" because he is reliefed to feel again, or even that he's not alone anymore, that someone else is there interacting with him. Even when this person slapps him. Same for the kiss. To be it was rather some kind of overexcitement, than anything else. as foe the next scene with the leather-Jenny... hm, I'm not sure, maybe youve got a pont there.

Well I rewatcht the ep last night and now I DID see the sonic going up. I have to admid, I realy does look like what Coco said. But even it was meant to like this, I'd rather take it as funny detail/joke beeing about the doctor beeing man, and therefor can't help beeing attracted by women, nothing more. BUt I agree with Coco, these things should't happen too often. The Doctor is much more/better than this.
Otherwise I'm as confused as i was before about what to make off the assumed links to the further story. But I'm sure there was someone, who took pictures of CLara and the Doctor, and that this is connected with the photos and the kids in the end. First I thought it bight hav been the Reporter who god killed in the opening scene
, but ther was a shot where he was in the picture with them.

Coco Pops
May 8th, 2013, 01:40 AM
It was a Victorian rocket, so steam powered... ;)


LOL I Love that answer.. I just love it.

But hot steam burns too :)

Coco Pops
May 8th, 2013, 01:41 AM
I said:


Well I rewatcht the ep last night and now I DID see the sonic going up. I have to admid, I realy does look like what Coco said. But even it was meant to like this, I'd rather take it as funny detail/joke beeing about the doctor beeing man, and therefor can't help beeing attracted by women, nothing more. BUt I agree with Coco, these things should't happen too often. The Doctor is much more/better than this.
Otherwise I'm as confused as i was before about what to make off the assumed links to the further story. But I'm sure there was someone, who took pictures of CLara and the Doctor, and that this is connected with the photos and the kids in the end. First I thought it bight hav been the Reporter who god killed in the opening scene
, but ther was a shot where he was in the picture with them.



What reporter? Did I miss something?

Greenee
May 8th, 2013, 01:55 AM
Maybe, I did the first time. The man who gets killed in the verry beginnig. It's said (I think by the doctor) that he and his wife where from a newspaper, investigating Sweetville. And as I understand it, they met Clara and teh Doctor when they arrieved. Its somewhere in this flashback to what happend to Clara and the Doctor.

BruTak
May 8th, 2013, 04:57 AM
LOL I Love that answer.. I just love it.

But hot steam burns too :)
Strictly speaking, it'd be a scald.

Coco Pops
May 8th, 2013, 08:22 AM
Maybe, I did the first time. The man who gets killed in the verry beginnig. It's said (I think by the doctor) that he and his wife where from a newspaper, investigating Sweetville. And as I understand it, they met Clara and teh Doctor when they arrieved. Its somewhere in this flashback to what happend to Clara and the Doctor.


Oh..... That guy

The Flyattractor
May 9th, 2013, 09:19 AM
Was it just me or did the music in this ep seem louder then normal?

mjwalshe
May 9th, 2013, 01:41 PM
Artie mentions that he found the photo of Clara on the submarine in 1983 at school, and immediately asks if Clara's "boyfriend" is an alien... because of his chin(!). I'd say somebody is prompting them, and it's a fair bet it's the Great Intelligence.

Also, for those who were wondering if the revolver Mrs Gillyflower was using was anachronistic, it looked like a Webley RIC which was first made in 1868 (and used by Custer at Little Big Horn in 1876), twenty-five years before the episode takes place.

Hope that helps!

And how do you "find" pictures taken inside a Russian boomer at the height of the cold war at a school ?

Sealurk
May 9th, 2013, 01:55 PM
Was it just me or did the music in this ep seem louder then normal?

Actually yes, I noticed that as well but filed it away under 'it's probably just me'.


And how do you "find" pictures taken inside a Russian boomer at the height of the cold war at a school ?

Schools have Internet access, teachers and staff who can suggest resources, textbooks on history and so on, and like I said, I think somebody or something is prompting them. There is somebody behind the scenes, manipulating events and people.

Besides, it's amazing what you can find on the net if you're prepared to put in the time and effort. Admittedly snapshots from a top secret Soviet nuclear armed and powered warship from one of the tensest moments in history (as Flyboy said, the choice of 1983 was far from incidental - the Cold War very nearly went hot) are unlikely in this context, but that just plays into the theory that there is a manipulating entity involved in all this.

BruTak
May 9th, 2013, 02:13 PM
And how do you "find" pictures taken inside a Russian boomer at the height of the cold war at a school ?

Google images? A search for "Soviet submarine crew" would yield good results.

min min light
May 9th, 2013, 04:47 PM
Someone had to upload it to be found - that's where that mystery begins, for me.

Nolamom
May 9th, 2013, 05:58 PM
stuff is uploaded on to supposedly private servers every day. things leak. hacks happen.

min min light
May 9th, 2013, 06:29 PM
I mean, someone bothered to upload it at all. Why? To share it with their fellow Cold War Facebook friends? It seems like another indication that someone is behind it all, to me.

The Flyattractor
May 9th, 2013, 06:34 PM
I will go with the "its all being planted for Clara and or the Doctor to find" for what ever reasons and by Whom ever said responsible is....Heck...IT could be Clara herself who put those pics up for all we know. and Moffat for that matter as well.

Nolamom
May 9th, 2013, 08:24 PM
I mean, someone bothered to upload it at all. Why? To share it with their fellow Cold War Facebook friends? It seems like another indication that someone is behind it all, to me.
I'm not disagreeing about the possibility of an intelligence behind it. However, there are literally BILLIONS of images floating around on the internet. Are a half-dozen over more than a century (even if they are of one person) really that extraordinary?

min min light
May 9th, 2013, 09:48 PM
I'm not disagreeing about the possibility of an intelligence behind it. However, there are literally BILLIONS of images floating around on the internet. Are a half-dozen over more than a century (even if they are of one person) really that extraordinary?

I'm just saying, people upload them - the images don't leap into the internet on their own, any more than old-school photos put themselves in an album on their own. Somebody has to make the decision to upload it to the internet, and it has to be uploaded to something - a free host, Facebook, a private domain, a cloud, something. (And that's not even going into how search engines work.)

Mainly I'm wondering if that's all some kind of a clue or if it's just Moffat not quite thinking through how the internet works. It's probably the latter.

Nolamom
May 9th, 2013, 10:15 PM
Perhaps you missed my point earlier about private organizations (or government agencies) have tons and tons of stuff online - much of it is of course still private, but more often that you might realize it leaks out one way or another into the public domain.

As for image searches - piece of cake! On Google, select Google Images. In the search bar is a little camera - click on it and you have the option of uploading a picture to find out if there are similar images out there. Alternately, use something like TinyEye

min min light
May 9th, 2013, 11:32 PM
Perhaps you missed my point earlier about private organizations (or government agencies) have tons and tons of stuff online - much of it is of course still private, but more often that you might realize it leaks out one way or another into the public domain.

I got that I just wondered what person, private organization or government agency (etc.) was uploading them.


As for image searches - piece of cake! On Google, select Google Images. In the search bar is a little camera - click on it and you have the option of uploading a picture to find out if there are similar images out there. Alternately, use something like TinyEye

I agree, but for something to even get into the Google search engine results, Google has to find it and deem it worthy of being included. So, in real life, someone would have to upload these photos and then make sure that Google would find them and include them at the top of the search results.

And the above isn't attached to any particular theory, aside from "I wonder if that was a clue or just lazy writing." So I'm not trying to debunk anyone's theory or promote a theory, I'm just spitballing, basically. :)

Greenee
May 10th, 2013, 03:19 AM
There are two possibilitys. Someone was collecting photos of Clara for a specific reason (egg. to plot something against the doctor) and uploded them whereeverto, but somewhere where it coukd be found, and baybe even give the kids a hint where to look, or let them find it by "accident".

the other possibility is, that random persons uploded the photos without any notice of Clara (for a rrport about the cold war, a dukmentary about the 19th. century) an the kids found one (prmted to it or by pure chance), got curius and startet surching on theier own if there are more pictures like the first (again, they might have had help by some mysterious stranger in the backround (probably the G.I.)

Flyboy
May 11th, 2013, 01:02 AM
I mean, someone bothered to upload it at all. Why? To share it with their fellow Cold War Facebook friends? It seems like another indication that someone is behind it all, to me.

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/2238/faxsample200026xu0.jpg

People upload things. *shrugs*

min min light
May 11th, 2013, 05:20 AM
You should do a facial-recognition search on that one - see if he's a time traveler! :D

Quizziard
May 11th, 2013, 12:38 PM
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/2238/faxsample200026xu0.jpg

People upload things. *shrugs*

And they'd certainly upload photos of something as unusual as the Ice Warrior's / The Doctor's visit.

Flyboy
May 11th, 2013, 12:40 PM
And they'd certainly upload photos of something as unusual as the Ice Warrior's / The Doctor's visit.

Indeed, and let's face it...

Maybe the kids were just googling 'Blue Box'.

After the Doctor erased his old actions, only his new adventures with Clara would crop up on the web... they searched for him, and found her...

BruTak
May 11th, 2013, 01:32 PM
Indeed, and let's face it...

Maybe the kids were just googling 'Blue Box'.

After the Doctor erased his old actions, only his new adventures with Clara would crop up on the web... they searched for him, and found her...Hmm, good point. That never occurred to me.

mjwalshe
May 11th, 2013, 04:28 PM
Google images? A search for "Soviet submarine crew" would yield good results.

True but i bet you get stills from red october featuring Sean Connery not the real thing :-)

Flyboy
May 12th, 2013, 01:41 AM
True but i bet you get stills from red october featuring Sean Connery not the real thing :-)

That's exactly what I typed in, and I got plenty of actual pics...

The Flyattractor
May 21st, 2013, 10:36 AM
I thought the pics the kids found on the net were going to be some kind of lure to get the doctor into a trap. That maybe while the GI was in the Internet he planted them for the kids to find. But I guess not.

Greenee
May 21st, 2013, 01:18 PM
Hm, you're right. I'd already forgotten about them. Looking back now, all this stuff with the kids dosn't seem to fit in. Probably we'll go back there in November or Series 8?

Sealurk
May 21st, 2013, 01:23 PM
I sincerely hope not, the less I see of them the happier I'll be, especially in the 50th.

The Flyattractor
May 21st, 2013, 02:04 PM
Hm, you're right. I'd already forgotten about them. Looking back now, all this stuff with the kids dosn't seem to fit in. Probably we'll go back there in November or Series 8?
Oh by the Black Guardians Left Wobbly PLEASE Do not let those kids be in the 50th!!!
Especially the girl. She is that kind of teen you just want to smack!


I sincerely hope not, the less I see of them the happier I'll be, especially in the 50th.

Double big durn dittos.

Cold Fuzz
May 21st, 2013, 02:43 PM
I sincerely hope not, the less I see of them the happier I'll be, especially in the 50th.

Hell to the yeah. I know Doctor Who is supposed to be kid-friendly but my goodness, the Maitland kids were pissing me off.

P-90_177
May 21st, 2013, 03:27 PM
Hell to the yeah. I know Doctor Who is supposed to be kid-friendly but my goodness, the Maitland kids were pissing me off.

The thing is that kids rarely actually enjoy watching other kids.

Flyboy
May 21st, 2013, 03:47 PM
Oh by the Black Guardians Left Wobbly PLEASE Do not let those kids be in the 50th!!!
Especially the girl. She is that kind of teen you just want to smack!


Double big durn dittos.

Coulda been worse...

Coulda been Kelsey Hooper (http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080628211029/tardis/images/5/5c/KelseyHarper.jpg)...



The thing is that kids rarely actually enjoy watching other kids.

And yet they keep making shows that focus on that... or introducing stupid elements based on that premise. I recall when in 'The Real Ghostbusters' they introduced the so-called junior Ghostbusters... or how about the Thunderbirds movie which didn't actually focus on the Thunderbirds... Sarah Jane Adventures (apart from Invasion of the Bane) wasn't too bad about this, actually, but you're right.

As a kid, I preferred to watch shows about adults, not kids... didn't see the point (unless it was a cartoon, like Recess or Doug)... Shows like 'MI-High' sicken me...

Coco Pops
May 21st, 2013, 06:48 PM
Yes I found those brats very annoying. I just wanted them off the TARDIS or lost forever

Tristen1
May 27th, 2013, 12:09 PM
Loved this episode ! So much fun. Love Vastra, Strax and Jenny. Normally I would be fuming about Eleven not staging an appearance until twenty or so minutes in, but in this I was absolutely loving the episode and barely noticed the delay.

Absolutely a huge laugh and most entertaining.

The children - neither plus nor minus. Most children in Doctor Who are fairly awful. Though young Amy was an absolute treat and I wished that she could have had at least one full adventure with the Doctor.

maneth
July 19th, 2013, 08:56 AM
Cool episode. Mrs Gillyflower was one of the creepier witches I've seen for a while.

gateship15
December 4th, 2013, 08:00 PM
this is a good episode. I felt sorry for the evil lady's daughter I mean she didn't are for anyone but mr sweets. I think she got what she deserved when mr sweets abandoned her and mr sweet got what he deserved by being hit to death buy a person he screwed over I say good on her for having the guts to not only go against her mother but then to destroy the evil bug that caused her misery