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GateWorld
March 22nd, 2013, 10:25 PM
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<DIV STYLE="margin-top:10px; padding:0;">Clara and the Doctor visit the haunted Caliburn House, where a Professor and a psychic are searching for a legendary ghost whose apparition has appeared in the mansion throughout its history -- and who herself appears to be pursued by something.</DIV>
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Sealurk
April 20th, 2013, 11:29 AM
Seventies?

Caliburn? That's the non-latin version of Excalibur if that has any relevance.

I think we can guess who's knocking on the door. Yup.

Doctor what... nice.

Companion, assistant - nice touch.

Okay, the Caliburn Ghast is actually surprisingly creepy looking and the lighting and atmosphere are nicely done. Kudos to the production team.

Ignorance is Carlisle?

"I'm not happy". Why do I get the sense there is a lot more to that statement, especially considering the mention of empaths earlier?

"What about you and the Doctor?" "No, not really" Well thank Moff for that.

Aha, the TARDIS still doesn't like Clara.

"We're going always" - nice line. Very Who. I expect that means travelling through time only to see the same spot at different points.

Blue crystal from Metebelis III?! Nice reference. Hope there aren't any Eight Legs involved this time...

Cloister bell? Oh dear indeed.

No Clara, you do NOT call the TARDIS a 'grumpy old cow'.

Wow... grabbing onto a crazy flying TARDIS to jump back across universes...that's pretty cool actually.

Ah, nice twist - the whole point was just to find out about Clara.

And another twist?! Aw...

Not bad at all. Definitely better than Neil Cross's other episode. So, the lesson learned is 'Mr Cross, please write more "Hide" episodes and fewer "Rings of Akhaten" episodes. Thank you, the fans'.

Teddybrown
April 20th, 2013, 11:29 AM
One of the best episodes of the season so far!
Nice twists and turns
Interested to see where they are going with Clara...

Next weeks episode looks good!

mjwalshe
April 20th, 2013, 11:34 AM
One of the best episodes of the season so far!
Nice twists and turns
Interested to see where they are going with Clara...

Next weeks episode looks good!

Yes defiantly though No3 is currently on earth at the moment with UNIT - and liked the call back to Planet of the spiders

Flyboy
April 20th, 2013, 11:51 AM
I missed the final final twist regarding 'what' Clara is (or isn't), can anyone regale me please?

Quizziard
April 20th, 2013, 12:03 PM
Yup, agree - nice plotting, good action and I actually had one or two chills in there...

Teddybrown
April 20th, 2013, 12:13 PM
Not as creepy as The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances or Blink, but definately gave me chills

BruTak
April 20th, 2013, 12:15 PM
After two decidedly mediocre episodes, Doctor Who is back on track. :)

Liked "Hide" a lot, it hearkened back to proper old school scary Doctor Who from the late 70s.

My only quibble (aside from Matt Smith's mispronunciation of Metebelis) was Dougray Scott's character was far too young to have served in WWII.
Assuming Dr. Palmer is the same age as Dougray Scott (47), then he'd only have been 17 or 18 when the war ended in 1945.

mjwalshe
April 20th, 2013, 12:20 PM
After two decidedly mediocre episodes, Doctor Who is back on track. :)

Liked "Hide" a lot, it hearkened back to proper old school scary Doctor Who from the late 70s.


Even had a shout out to some of SJS outfits the woolen tank top was very SJS

BruTak
April 20th, 2013, 12:33 PM
Even had a shout out to some of SJS outfits the woolen tank top was very SJS

Now that you mention it, yes. Emma Grayling obviously shops at the same store as Sarah Jane. ;)

Matt G
April 20th, 2013, 02:16 PM
Well...

1. Not sure why it 'had' to be 1974...are the referencing period of time relevant to Old school Who?

2. Emma's wardrobe reminded me of Anne Cartwright on Life on Mars.

3. Very interesting twist on who the ghost was.

4. You can't blame Clara for snarking at the TARDIS.

5. Cloister bell! Haven't heard that in a while and those aren't good news.

Very fun ep despite the slightly gooey stuff at the end.

Morgania
April 20th, 2013, 02:33 PM
It was nicely spooky. I feel like I should have watched it at night.

Greenee
April 20th, 2013, 03:18 PM
Enjoyed it all along. Funny, spooky, suspensefull, little romantic...

Am I the only one who thought there were refernces to the last christmas ep... the old manor, a "she" coming, the cold... I half ecpectet the icey governes to pop up again... well I was down the track there... lieked the twists at the end, though, And I liekd the doctor, speaking of love with his arm 'round claras shoulders, and appologicing for that (Yes, I know I'm alone there, but I'd like a little romance between the two of them. Plaine lovestorys are so boring, but love it when its hidden in some andventurestory).

And next week we get to see the pool in the tardis libray? Cant wait for that :)

Oh, and there was another water reference with the well, which than was droped all of a sudden. WIll tehy get back to it? And yes, I, as well think the line "I'm not happy" had a deeper meaning. But I haven't got a clue, what it could mean.

Nolamom
April 20th, 2013, 06:02 PM
very satisfying episode over all. Much better than last week. I did like the passage of time at a different rate in the pocket universe.

Purple Glow
April 20th, 2013, 07:35 PM
Grading this story on the same formula used for the last two episodes of Series 7 part 2. Thanks for reading. If you don't like, cool, just skip.

Hide is written by the same person who wrote Rings. It follows the formula much better than his last story.

The scientist and his assistant are both fairly interesting characters. Not especially so, but they are actually given a few scenes of dialogue and we explore what makes them tick a little bit. There's some depth there - not a lot. They are likable.

As far as torturing them, the instrument chosen was love. I don't think it was wielded that well, however. Specifically, they aren't really put in a situation to test their love so much as finding their love. They aren't given a chance to rise or fall with their love. So we don't learn about them through this torture and therefore it feels flat.

The far more interesting dynamic occurs later and with a completely unexpected couple as we explore a budding rivalry of Clara vs the TARDIS. Given the theme of love between the two monsters and the scientist/assistant, it almost makes me wonder if its a budding love between Clara and the TARDIS as well. Seems a bit silly though. But there is a test and some torture potential, as the TARDIS is torn between shutting Clara out and rescuing the Doctor at the risk of its own existence. Again, unfortunately, this plot line is not explored very well and feels flat. The Doctor is simply rescued and nothing bad happens to the TARDIS as a consequence.

The time traveler stuck in the pocket universe was completely uninteresting and not developed at all beyond a throwaway line of her being a distant descendant of the scientist/assistant.

This story definitely had a ton of potential if they stuck to the formula and remembered to reveal things about the characters, and allow them to rise or fall, as a consequence of their choices under pressure.

I give it a slightly above-average grade. 6/10





The basic formula for writing good fiction is to create interesting, compelling characters and torture them for 300 pages. How they react tells you something about them and makes it enjoyable. Maybe they rise, maybe they fall.

The Rings of Akhaten completely violates this principle.

1. The new characters created for this story are neither interesting nor compelling. The only character from this story with much of any english lines at all is the little girl, and she was not made compelling by them, imo. The antagonist was a blob with no speaking lines.

2. I didn't feel that a good job was done of conveying the threat to the audience.

As a result, you wound up a story filled with forgettable characters facing a boring threat.

The story didn't work.


Let's apply this formula to Cold War. This story followed the formula to a T.

1. Several interesting characters were created in this story. Scaldak, the scientist (professor Grisenko), and submarine captain Zhukov were new and interesting characters.

2. These characters were placed in pressure situations, and how they reacted to these situations drove the plot. The story then simply wrote itself as we got to see if they would rise or fall.

Let's look at some of the pressure situations.

1. First encounter between Scalak and the crew. How will it be handled? Zhukov seemed ready to negotiate. Scaldak seemed ready to negotiate. Then it all goes wrong when the crewman shock Scaldak.

2. This naturally set up pressure situation #2. Now Scaldak is chained. He believes his daughter and entire race is dead. How will he react? We are given a little backstory that Ice Warriors condemn entire races for one assault. Will Scaldak "fall" and follow through? Or will he "rise" and look beyond his rather brutal moral code?

3. Pressure situation #3. Clara volunteers to visit Scaldak. How will she react? Will she "rise" by bravely keeping her composure and wits and do a good job? Or will she "fall" and lose her cool?

4. Pressure situation #4. Scaldak is LOOSE! Will the crew members "rise" and keep their wits? Or "fall" and lose their cool? This was used especially to get to know professor Grisenko. We learned he will rise. He kept his cool, and tried to help Clara stay cool with some humor.

5. But the main pressure situation was #2, where we learn what Scaldak is made of. He shows mercy. And the CORE of the entire episode was putting the greatest hero of the ice Warriors in a torture chamber. He lost his daughter, his race, his pride, his warrior code was assaulted. But when he still hesitates to fire the nuke. And when the rescue comes, he shows mercy.

Scaldak rose.

This episode perfectly followed the formula of successful fiction, and unsurprisingly, it was the BEST story of the season. 10/10.

cosmichobo
April 20th, 2013, 08:56 PM
Certainly felt some tinges of Ghostlight, and general 7th Doctorness about this episode...

The miss-pronunciation drove me nuts... and they could have got something that looked like a Metabilis crystal... (I know, I'm old)

The TARDIS really likes you... said the Master to Chang Lee... The TARDIS really doesn't like Clara... And thus - I know her secret!

Ready?

Clara is in fact, Capt Jack... after a sex change...


The story had my son hiding behind a dozen pillows, clutching his toy dog... But at the end when he found out the "monster" was just in love, he came out from hiding with a big smile... I too liked that twist... Very nice.

min min light
April 20th, 2013, 09:18 PM
The story had my son hiding behind a dozen pillows, clutching his toy dog... But at the end when he found out the "monster" was just in love, he came out from hiding with a big smile... I too liked that twist... Very nice.

Awwww! :)

I enjoyed this one, so I'm glad to know I didn't just go off Who for some reason - I was starting to worry when I didn't like two in a row.

Coco Pops
April 21st, 2013, 04:18 AM
What was with the very abrupt ending?

He tells the monster to get ready to jump then end credits? What the?

Did they run out of time for an ending? On a time travel show of all things :) haha.

The TARDIS almost talking to Clara. What the?

If there was one door where she was where did that cable come from? Is there a door on the other side where the cable comes out? WTF?

Who wrote this junk?

And why did Emma tell Clara not to trust the doctor?

Sealurk
April 21st, 2013, 04:58 AM
What was with the very abrupt ending?

He tells the monster to get ready to jump then end credits? What the?

Did they run out of time for an ending? On a time travel show of all things :) haha.

The main story was done, we know what happens next based on what's happened before. It can be quite an effective tool for story telling, not least because it leaves you thinking. It's the same reason we don't really see what goes on in the TARDIS between adventures - it's just not that interesting.


The TARDIS almost talking to Clara. What the?

Yeah, considering that in The Doctor's Wife the Doctor wishes he could talk to the TARDIS all the time and is told it doesn't work like that, the voice interface seems to have become a bit more than just an alternative control mechanism... or is specifically because it was Clara? We know there's something weird going on there and the TARDIS doesn't like her, so maybe that has something do with it.


If there was one door where she was where did that cable come from? Is there a door on the other side where the cable comes out? WTF?

Who wrote this junk?

Neil Cross, who wrote 'The Rings of Akhaten' and is also the writer-creator of the BBC's rather good police thriller 'Luther'. Compared to 'Akhaten' I thought 'Hide' was a drastic improvement and easily one of the best episodes of the series (and now I understand why they wanted Cross to write a second episode... shame it didn't work out as well), but each to their own.


And why did Emma tell Clara not to trust the doctor?

Because we've known for a very long time that the Doctor has a dark side and has done terrible things. Besides, Rule #1: the Doctor lies. It's a pretty established part of the show's mythology.

Blencathra
April 21st, 2013, 06:04 AM
I've just been reading a very interesting conversation on Twitter between various Who Producers, Execs and the DWM Magazine editor about the mispronunciation of Metebelis.

From what I can gather, Matt pronounced it correctly during read-through and shooting but much later said it wrongly at ADR (dubbing). There was nobody there who knew the correct pronunciation to put him right. Later still both Marcus Wilson and Steven Moffat noticed he'd said it wrongly, but by then it was too late to do anything about it. And yes it will be said wrongly on the DVD as well, as there was no time to sort that out either. So apologies all round. They did laugh though and say that it must be that either the TARDIS translation circuits were a bit dodgy or it's the way the Spiders say it.

stargatefan234
April 21st, 2013, 06:39 AM
Yeah, considering that in The Doctor's Wife the Doctor wishes he could talk to the TARDIS all the time and is told it doesn't work like that, the voice interface seems to have become a bit more than just an alternative control mechanism... or is specifically because it was Clara? We know there's something weird going on there and the TARDIS doesn't like her, so maybe that has something do with it.

The Voice Interface is definitely more than just that, the "Fish Fingers and Custard" moment and this episode, but IMO it's definitely alot LESS than a full blown conversation, which is what the doctor wanted.

The Voice Interface is definitely more than just that, the "Fish Fingers and Custard" moment and this episode, but IMO it's definitely alot LESS than a full blown conversation, which is what the doctor wanted.

EDIT: as for the miss-pronunciation... so what, maybe that's just the way the 11th doctor says "Metebelis", if the incarnation had a Scottish accent and pronounced it "wrongly" no one would care :p

MasySyma
April 21st, 2013, 07:35 AM
Oh that was dreadful. Please stop letting this writer compose episodes.

The Good:
The genetic connection was interesting.
I also liked that the ghost wasn't a ghost.

The Bad:
Almost everything else.
The plot was slow, and the ending was rubbish.
What could have been a great opportunity to introduce a new, second companion was wasted.
Clara was underused until the ending, and her mystery was not advanced.
The monster in love? Really? And the proof? He looked more inclined to eat this girl. More story was needed.
A mini-epic doctor speech. Sigh.
More useless banter. Sigh.

Another weak series seven episode. This one was as bad as 42.

Quizziard
April 21st, 2013, 07:57 AM
What I like about this forum is that we are getting almost the entire range of responses. And yet no sniping, biting or flaming. Doctor Who fans are definitely more civilised than other people...

Blencathra
April 21st, 2013, 08:09 AM
Agreed. :)

What a great episode! It reminded me very much of 1970s episodes, very gothic and creepy. The monster was excellent. I like that we didn't see much of it. Keeping it in the background with just quick glimpses through mist or behind trees was very effective. It certainly gave me the creeps. Last night I had to go & collect my daughter from her friend's house down a long dark tree lined lane. I felt very edgy. :P

Other super stuff

The Cloister Bell
Metebelis 3
The Eye of Harmony

And there were some other things I noticed that I'll put on my Clara's identity thread.


Some excellent quotes

"Nice action on the toggle switches. I do like a toggle switch."

"...your companion"
"Assistant"
"Oh, it's 1974, you're the assistant".

"I'm giving you a face."

"I dare you. No takesy backseys."

"Ignorance is bliss. What's the opposite of Bliss?"
"Carlisle."
"Ignorance is Carlisle."
(It's not that bad! - Blen)

"Let me in, you grumpy old cow!"

"Time travel is impossible. The paradoxes-"
"...Resolve themselves, by and large..."



After two decidedly mediocre episodes, Doctor Who is back on track. :)

Liked "Hide" a lot, it hearkened back to proper old school scary Doctor Who from the late 70s.

My only quibble (aside from Matt Smith's mispronunciation of Metebelis) was Dougray Scott's character was far too young to have served in WWII.
Assuming Dr. Palmer is the same age as Dougray Scott (47), then he'd only have been 17 or 18 when the war ended in 1945.

I did wonder about that. If we push his age to 50 or 51 then it is just about possible. That would give him a date of birth of 1923, so he could be a contemporary of the likes of Peter Hilton who joined Bletchley Park in 1942 aged 18, or Stephen Grady who joined SOE in 1942 aged 17 & won the Croix de Guerre. Perhaps Professor Palmer's extreme guilt was related to his youth at the time, as he struggles to come to terms with what he did at a young age.


Finally, my shippy heart was squealing with delight. :D I do love a good romance. :)

BruTak
April 21st, 2013, 08:17 AM
What I like about this forum is that we are getting almost the entire range of responses. And yet no sniping, biting or flaming. Doctor Who fans are definitely more civilised than other people...

Obviously you're not a member of Gallifrey Base then?

Blencathra
April 21st, 2013, 08:18 AM
Something else I forgot to mention, did everyone get the joke when Clara and the Doctor couldn't find the hat stand so she could put away her umbrella? The reason it's gone is because Matt has it. :P He took it home as a souvenir. :D

Coco Pops
April 21st, 2013, 08:28 AM
Something else I forgot to mention, did everyone get the joke when Clara and the Doctor couldn't find the hat stand so she could put away her umbrella? The reason it's gone is because Matt has it. :P He took it home as a souvenir. :D

I kind of got the joke, but didn't know Matt pinched the prop

Purple Glow
April 21st, 2013, 08:40 AM
It's the same reason we don't really see what goes on in the TARDIS between adventures - it's just not that interesting.

Well, -anything- can be interesting if written correctly. I do miss filler. I miss episodes being 4 episodes / 90 minutes long. That extra half hour allows more time to fill out characters and make them more "real". But in modern times its criticized as being useless "padding", and stories now feel WAY too streamlined to the point where almost every scene has meaning. That makes it too easy to predict where the plot is going because when you only have 1 hour to tell a story, any scene that doesn't have a point gets cut, so every scene must have a purpose. So when you see something strange happen, you realize immediately its a tipoff.

With 90 minutes, you get more latitude to simply explore characters without caring about advancing the story. Which also throws you off when trying to figure out what is going to happen next, and keeps it exciting, imo.

Purple Glow
April 21st, 2013, 08:47 AM
The Voice Interface is definitely more than just that, the "Fish Fingers and Custard" moment and this episode, but IMO it's definitely alot LESS than a full blown conversation, which is what the doctor wanted.

The Voice Interface is definitely more than just that, the "Fish Fingers and Custard" moment and this episode, but IMO it's definitely alot LESS than a full blown conversation, which is what the doctor wanted.

EDIT: as for the miss-pronunciation... so what, maybe that's just the way the 11th doctor says "Metebelis", if the incarnation had a Scottish accent and pronounced it "wrongly" no one would care :p

What funny about the Voice Interface is that for years I had this idea for a fan fiction of a freshly regenerated Doctor trying to enter the TARDIS for the first time. My idea was that it doesn't allow him access because it doesn't recognize him for some reason, and when he tries to use the key, the TARDIS projects a hologram of the previous Doctor outside the TARDIS standing next to him as a security protocol. The new Doctor gets a funny scene where he argues with his old self about what is going on, and then it turns sad as the "hologram" Doctor realizes his time has passed. The hologram asks "So I regenerated...did it hurt?" The new Doctor somberly says "Always." And with that, the hologram Doctor releases the security protocol, the TARDIS shines a light on the new Doctor to do a quick scan and get his data. The TARDIS uses that to rebuild the hologram and we see the old Doctor hologram fade away, replaced with an image of the new one. Briefly we see two copies of the new Doctor stand there until the hologram shuts down and the TARDIS gives access.

The idea is totally ruined now, especially with this episode where the hologram is shown outside the TARDIS. Bleh. They stole it! haha jk

cosmichobo
April 21st, 2013, 02:06 PM
Lovely idea, Purple!

Greenee
April 21st, 2013, 02:25 PM
It's the same reason we don't really see what goes on in the TARDIS between adventures - it's just not that interesting.

Well, personaly I think it would be very interesting, because it might tell us a little more about the characters. But I've always found it nagging, that you don't get to now what happens to the charakters beween the told storys (wether it's books, movies, TV-series...), even if it might be a bit boring. Leaves plenty of room for ones own imagination, though.

As for the misspronouncation... I didn't even notice, but well, I'm sitll not a native speaker ( nor do I know much about classic Who, since it sounds as if its a word (name?) which only exists in the whoniverse.

@ Purple Glow: Do you realy think you can messure the quality of a story like this? There might be a formula, which might help to create a good story, if you follow tham, like following a racipe correctely will almost certainly garantie a good meal. BUT (besides the fact that there might be alternative "formulas") by no means, does NOT following any formula mean, you don't get a good story. If you don't like it, fine. Thats you're opinion, than. But I think we've passt the state where you had to follow a formula to be a good writer about 200 years ago. Sorry, I don't mean to be rude or somethink, this formula-stuff only drieves me slightly mad.
But:

Well, -anything- can be interesting if written correctly. I do miss filler. I miss episodes being 4 episodes / 90 minutes long. That extra half hour allows more time to fill out characters and make them more "real". But in modern times its criticized as being useless "padding", and stories now feel WAY too streamlined to the point where almost every scene has meaning. That makes it too easy to predict where the plot is going because when you only have 1 hour to tell a story, any scene that doesn't have a point gets cut, so every scene must have a purpose. So when you see something strange happen, you realize immediately its a tipoff.

With 90 minutes, you get more latitude to simply explore characters without caring about advancing the story. Which also throws you off when trying to figure out what is going to happen next, and keeps it exciting, imo.

...I absolutley agree with you on this.

Coco Pops
April 21st, 2013, 05:05 PM
What funny about the Voice Interface is that for years I had this idea for a fan fiction of a freshly regenerated Doctor trying to enter the TARDIS for the first time. My idea was that it doesn't allow him access because it doesn't recognize him for some reason, and when he tries to use the key, the TARDIS projects a hologram of the previous Doctor outside the TARDIS standing next to him as a security protocol. The new Doctor gets a funny scene where he argues with his old self about what is going on, and then it turns sad as the "hologram" Doctor realizes his time has passed. The hologram asks "So I regenerated...did it hurt?" The new Doctor somberly says "Always." And with that, the hologram Doctor releases the security protocol, the TARDIS shines a light on the new Doctor to do a quick scan and get his data. The TARDIS uses that to rebuild the hologram and we see the old Doctor hologram fade away, replaced with an image of the new one. Briefly we see two copies of the new Doctor stand there until the hologram shuts down and the TARDIS gives access.

The idea is totally ruined now, especially with this episode where the hologram is shown outside the TARDIS. Bleh. They stole it! haha jk


OMG I love your idea purple

Coco Pops
April 21st, 2013, 05:06 PM
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<DIV STYLE="margin-top:10px; padding:0;">Clara and the Doctor arrive at Caliburn House, a haunted mansion sat alone on a desolate moor. Within its walls, a ghost hunting Professor and a gifted psychic are searching for the Witch of the Well. Her apparition appears throughout the history of the building, but is she really a ghost? And what is chasing her? <I>(BBC)</I></DIV>
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Hey howcome there is no little pic for the first post like usual?

Bagpuss
April 21st, 2013, 05:13 PM
Fixed it.:)

cosmichobo
April 21st, 2013, 08:54 PM
Greenee, Metabilis III was a planet the 3rd Doctor tried to entice Jo Grant into visiting... then travelled there alone in The Green Death, where he "stole" a blue crystal, that was later revealed to be required by "The Great One", in Planet of the Spiders.

(:

The Flyattractor
April 21st, 2013, 11:13 PM
I liked this ep but had to thoughts/questions.

Was it me or did the Tardis exterior look different? It looked like it was more in the shape and color of the tardis from the Tom Baker era. May have just been the lighting on it but it looked diff to me.

And 2. How old was that Prof guy supposed to be? He fought in WWII? I know this was placed in 1974 but even then that was still around 30 years! Guy didn't look that old.

And Clara is getting more likeable (at least for me) in almost every passing episode. Especially from that bouncey annoyingness she had in the Dalek Asylum. Hope that trend continues.

Flyboy
April 22nd, 2013, 04:24 AM
Loved the episode.

Thought the gothic nature was fantastic - felt like a proper old-school ghost story, and though the time period is way off, I had Woman in Black in my mind all the way through - particularly in one scene where we see the ghost through a window behind the team.

I thought the whole format of this was so wonderfully classic Who. No real (apparent) reason for the Doctor rocking up, just doing it because he does. Classic human technology littering the place, pocket universes, a good ol' monster. All kinds of wonderful, with some excellent humour and eeriness.

However, I'm not a fan of Clara. Weirdly, I loved the other Clara's, i.e Dalek Clara and Victorian Clara, but Modern Clara has lost a bit of that quirk that I found so appealing. She's coming across as 'just another' companion to me now, which isn't particularly good...


How did Clara get inside the TARDIS after their argument? I missed that bit...

Nolamom
April 22nd, 2013, 04:56 AM
The TARDIS considered her point, decided that the Doctor needed rescuing, and opened the door.

Sealurk
April 22nd, 2013, 05:19 AM
However, I'm not a fan of Clara. Weirdly, I loved the other Clara's, i.e Dalek Clara and Victorian Clara, but Modern Clara has lost a bit of that quirk that I found so appealing. She's coming across as 'just another' companion to me now, which isn't particularly good...

I still can't quite put my finger on what it is I don't like about Clara - especially considering I adored her character in 'Asylum of the Daleks'. Maybe she's just not different enough from Amy?

Then again, it occurs to me that maybe we're not completely supposed to like Clara. We know the TARDIS doesn't like her and she's different from other companions in that the Doctor has picked her because she's a mystery to him, and not necessarily because she would make a good companion.

Blencathra
April 22nd, 2013, 06:49 AM
I think at the moment Clara is supposed to be a Generic Companion. The mini-arc this series is to guess the identity of Clara, so I was thinking that if she is too like this person or that person, people will say "Ohhh, it's ********". I think that all character quirks have been eradicated on purpose to make it more difficult to guess who she is. If that's so, then for the 50th and next series, she will probably behave completely differently.

I have my own theory on Clara's identity, and if I'm right, Clara isn't behaving like that person at all, at the moment.

Girlbot
April 23rd, 2013, 06:32 AM
I still can't quite put my finger on what it is I don't like about Clara - especially considering I adored her character in 'Asylum of the Daleks'. Maybe she's just not different enough from Amy?

Then again, it occurs to me that maybe we're not completely supposed to like Clara. We know the TARDIS doesn't like her and she's different from other companions in that the Doctor has picked her because she's a mystery to him, and not necessarily because she would make a good companion.

I agree with this. I really liked Clara in the Asylum episode and I was looking forward to her coming onboard as a companion, but I can't seem to get excited about her character now. Can't put my finger on it, but it's not working for me.:(

Coco Pops
April 23rd, 2013, 08:01 AM
I think at the moment Clara is supposed to be a Generic Companion. The mini-arc this series is to guess the identity of Clara, so I was thinking that if she is too like this person or that person, people will say "Ohhh, it's ********". I think that all character quirks have been eradicated on purpose to make it more difficult to guess who she is. If that's so, then for the 50th and next series, she will probably behave completely differently.

I have my own theory on Clara's identity, and if I'm right, Clara isn't behaving like that person at all, at the moment.



You think she's River don't you?

What if she's CAL instead from the library?

The Flyattractor
April 23rd, 2013, 10:17 AM
maybe she is Susan....bwwhahahaha yeah right.

cosmichobo
April 23rd, 2013, 01:55 PM
maybe she is Susan....bwwhahahaha yeah right.

The thought has occurred... though why the TARDIS would hate her I don't know. Maybe cos the Doctor kicked her out!

P-90_177
April 23rd, 2013, 04:30 PM
What if she is the TARDIS...

Coco Pops
April 23rd, 2013, 04:46 PM
What if she is the TARDIS...


But how would that work? The Doctor put its living essence back into the console unless she "escapes"

cosmichobo
April 23rd, 2013, 08:45 PM
And why wouldn't the TARDIS like her...

Romana put a hole in the TARDIS...

GodAtum
April 24th, 2013, 06:10 AM
I agree with this. I really liked Clara in the Asylum episode and I was looking forward to her coming onboard as a companion, but I can't seem to get excited about her character now. Can't put my finger on it, but it's not working for me.:(

I agree. In Asylum she was witty and funny but now she isn't.

Coco Pops
April 24th, 2013, 06:12 AM
I'm agreeing here too. Loved Clara in the Dalek episode but here not so much. In fact she irritates me kind of.

The Flyattractor
April 24th, 2013, 01:07 PM
The thought has occurred... though why the TARDIS would hate her I don't know. Maybe cos the Doctor kicked her out!

Yeah. It don't really matter to me who she is really. I am sure that it will annoy me whomever she turns out to be. Ohhh! Maybe she is the 13thDoctor/Valeyard!? Maybe that is why the Tardis hates her!

Greenee
April 24th, 2013, 01:09 PM
I'm agreeing here too. Loved Clara in the Dalek episode but here not so much. In fact she irritates me kind of.

Well, her character is supposed to be irritating, isn't it. That's the point. You don't know what to make of her, because you don't knwo who she is, where she coems froms, and whats her part in the whole picture.

Coco Pops
April 24th, 2013, 08:33 PM
You know what would be epic. If they actually bring back something like the Valeyard, in fact bring him back that would be super awesome I liked that character

cosmichobo
April 24th, 2013, 08:48 PM
You know what would be epic. If they actually bring back something like the Valeyard, in fact bring him back that would be super awesome I liked that character

As a classic devotee, I'll be mighty pissed if we don't see the Valeyard again, quite soonish... though it would re-inforce the limitation of 13 lives, which the current showrunners are obviously trying to distance themselves from...

For what it's worth (nil), my Valeyard story...

Current Companion is shocked to see the 12th Doctor regenerate... and even more shocked as the stranger who takes his place seems rather... less sympathetic and less tolerant than the person they had chosen to travel Space and Time with... Having previously met Capt Jack, Companion seeks his counsel, and Jack can think of only 1 person who can provide some answers to the new Doctor's erratic behaviour... the Master. They track him down, and with delight the Master reveals that the Valeyard, the dark side of the Doctor, has finally succeeded in absconding with the Doctor's body and mind... To their horror, the Master talks the Valeyard into scheming Universal Domination together, leaving Jack and Companion in the lurch...

And so on.... until they have to risk killing the Valeyard, and possibly the Doctor, whilst hoping he will regenerate into the proper Doctor # 13...

WingedPegasus
May 3rd, 2013, 07:06 PM
I agree with this. I really liked Clara in the Asylum episode and I was looking forward to her coming onboard as a companion, but I can't seem to get excited about her character now. Can't put my finger on it, but it's not working for me.:(

I know, it's weird. I really enjoyed her character in Asylum of the Daleks and the Christmas special, but I don't really like her as much now. It seems like she was more capable....motivated...interesting in the other episodes.

maneth
July 17th, 2013, 09:02 AM
We seem to be unanimous on Clara. I loved the feisty Victorian Clara, as well as the one who was really a Dalek, but this one leaves me cold... To be honest, I haven't really liked any of the new companions much, my two favorites are Martha and Rory. Amy is so-so...