PDA

View Full Version : Welcome to Storybrooke (217)



GateWorld
February 22nd, 2013, 08:41 PM
<DIV ALIGN="center"><TABLE WIDTH="450" BORDER="0" CELLSPACING="0" CELLPADDING="7"><TR><TD STYLE="border: none;"><DIV ALIGN="left"><FONT FACE="Verdana, Arial, san-serif" SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000"><A HREF="http://www.scifistream.com/once-upon-a-time/s2/welcome-to-storybrooke/"><IMG SRC="http://www.scifistream.com/wp-content/uploads/welcome-to-storybrooke-160x120.jpg" WIDTH="160" HEIGHT="120" ALIGN="right" HSPACE="10" VSPACE="2" BORDER="0" STYLE="border: 1px black solid;" ALT="Visit the Episode Guide"></A><FONT SIZE="1" COLOR="#888888">ONCE UPON A TIME - SEASON TWO</FONT>
<FONT SIZE=4><A HREF="http://www.scifistream.com/once-upon-a-time/s2/welcome-to-storybrooke/" STYLE="text-decoration: none">WELCOME TO STORYBROOKE</A></FONT>
<FONT SIZE="1">EPISODE NUMBER - 217</FONT>
<DIV STYLE="margin-top:10px; padding:0;">Thirty years in the past the Evil Queen basks in her curse's success, but soon finds a father and son who have wandered into Storybrooke after it suddenly appeared near their camp site. In the present day, Regina plots to take revenge on Mary Margaret, and Henry takes matters into his own hands.</DIV>
<FONT SIZE=1><B><A HREF="http://www.scifistream.com/once-upon-a-time/s2/welcome-to-storybrooke/">VISIT THE EPISODE GUIDE >></A></B></FONT></FONT></DIV></TD></TR></TABLE></DIV>

hedwig
March 17th, 2013, 08:13 PM
Very interesting episode.

Try as I might to have a little sympathy for Regina, I'm finding I can't find a shred of sympathy for her. She's causing all of her own problems, and blaming them all on other people. Plus, she tried to steal somebody else's kid and was likely going to dispose of his father in some way (maybe by doing the same thing to him that she did to Belle). That's beyond despicable.

And I hope Snow doesn't continue to sit around and mope. That could get boring really fast. And I can't believe she'd subject the family that she fought for and did what she did, only to die (which, of course, she hasn't) and cause them even more anguish and pain. This isn't just about what she did; it's about how it will affect her entire family if she continues along this path.

I want to know what became of the boy's father, since the Sheriff arrested him at the border of Storybrook and that's the last we see or hear of him ... for now.

I hate to say it, but I'm getting a tad tired of Henry and all his begging and whining about everybody and how perfect they are supposed to be to fit his image of how things should be. I have to keep reminding myself that he's just a kid, but even so he's starting to bug me.

I liked Mr. Gold in this episode. He tried to remove himself from the situation, but maybe family means more to him than he thinks, since he stayed with Snow (to protect her) while the others went looking for Henry.

It will be very interesting to see what comes of Mary Margaret's predicament. Maybe she should seek daily counseling with Dr. Hopper about her emotional troubles.

Skydiver
March 18th, 2013, 03:09 PM
I wonder if the one thing regina left out...yeah, doing dark things can turn your heart dark....but like the grinch ;) doing good things can help you atone and banish that darkness. Snow's moping is what's making it worse.

And yeah, Henry needs to grow up a bit. with what he's seen and knows he seems kinda backwards in his knowledge. I would like to see the others doing a bit more than just being there.

majorsal
March 18th, 2013, 03:45 PM
i really enjoyed the ep!! :)

with that much time on my fave character (regina), how could i not enjoy it? :p

it's funny in a weird way with hedwig saying she doesn't feel sympathy for regina, whereas i feel more with her than anyone else. i do know, though, that's she's done bad things for sure, but she's trying to pull herself out of the dark but just doesn't know how.

henry *needed* to stay with regina when she burnt the curse parchment, but as usual, he goes back to the others. i know he's just a kid and doesn't understand, but still.

i figured out (before the end reveal) that the car accident guy was the grown up kid from the beginning of the ep (i can't remember his name). now we have to find out what happened to his dad.

loved the end scene with regina and snow!! it also perfectly set up why regina won't be setting up to kill snow, b/c she feels snow's inner torture will punish her more.

sometime down the line, when the series is going to end, i hope to see a scene between regina and snow where they're able to finally, truly forgive each other. it's mostly regina that needs to let go of the hate and dark, but i think snow is going to go through some darkness herself, so we'll see where that takes their relationship.

a question: at the beginning, we saw that ppl were repeating themselves, but was that *because* of the curse specifically? we saw slight variations, though, but i'm still wondering if regina altered something to make everyone stop repeating themselves.

Skydiver
March 18th, 2013, 05:12 PM
I think the kid's name was Owen

majorsal
March 18th, 2013, 06:05 PM
thanks, sky. :)

i kind of think snow is overeating on this 'i helped kill cora', in only that cora was going to kill them all, so she saved her friends and family. i can see her feeling guilty about tricking regina more, but... not enough to go to regina and tell her to kill her! :p

i know she was also just wanting the blood feud to finally end and thought 'this' would end it, but as another poster said, this would make her fam/friends miserable, and then prob set them off on getting regina.

btw, i was thinking that regina was going to take out her own heart. i'd watched the coming attractions for this ep, and thought a twist would happen and that it would be regina removing her own heart (like her mom did to not feel things). it didn't happen, obviously, but that would have been a good twist. :p

rkgardner2003
March 19th, 2013, 03:08 AM
I am getting tired quickly of Snow's despair. She did do something terrible, but she did it to save the lives of many people. I'm not sure if it's the fact that Cora is dead or the fact that she so horribly deceived Regina that is making her so distraught....hopefully she figures out the good outweighs the dark.

If the boys Dad is still in Storybrooke, would he have aged?

Inquisitor
March 19th, 2013, 07:28 AM
I am getting tired quickly of Snow's despair. She did do something terrible, but she did it to save the lives of many people. I'm not sure if it's the fact that Cora is dead or the fact that she so horribly deceived Regina that is making her so distraught....hopefully she figures out the good outweighs the dark.

If the boys Dad is still in Storybrooke, would he have aged?

I don't think so. I think the real question is though, how did Mr Gold arrange for Henry to make his way to Storybrooke if no one outside knew it was there, and he couldn't leave without magic?

jeri
March 19th, 2013, 01:54 PM
Regina really needs therapy. She is her own worst enemy. Even Gold was trying to tell her this. But some people do that, bang their heads against a wall over and over. I wonder what it will take to get her to see clearly?

Mr. Gold has a good heart despite being the Dark One, and I think he is trying hard to keep up his tough guy image.

Skydiver's idea about the heart is something I wondered too. It seems plausible, no one is beyond redemption, really. I see the disembodied hearts as a metaphor for our real struggles with good vs. evil. So I say yes, one could make the blackness go away with the right "change of heart". There would be no reason to live in the world if we couldn't hope to improve.

I liked and laughed at Regina's Groundhog days. It didn't take long for it to annoy her, did it? :P I'm sure she will put some kind of magic in play to make things change day to day. Can't wait to see how Henry was brought to SB.

I think Henry is acting like a typical 11yr. old would. It's that age where one minute they are the voice of reason and the next they are throwing tantrums. Kids see problems in a black and white way. It's hard for them to understand all the various reason and psychosis why adults do things the way they do. And this situation is some kind of unreal amount of stress for a kid. Caught between his mom Regina and his birth family and on top of that, they are fairy tale characters with magic murderous tendencies! :eek: I'm wondering how this kid is going to grow up without being totally nuts. :P

And speaking of psychosis, the definition is: "a severe mental disorder in which thought and emotions are so impaired that contact is lost with external reality." That's exactly what Regina is, psychotic!

Oh, and Snow will get through this a wiser and more mature person. I think of her as a naive sort. No one can be pure and good always, they would not be human. She is in the middle of a huge life lesson now. I think the amount of time that is passing in these last few episodes is only a few days or week, so we are seeing the minute by minute version of Snow's grief process. She is grieving for her loss of innocence. She needs to get humble and admit she is one of us, flawed.

Mrja84
March 19th, 2013, 03:31 PM
I don't think so. I think the real question is though, how did Mr Gold arrange for Henry to make his way to Storybrooke if no one outside knew it was there, and he couldn't leave without magic?

I think the question is if he indeed forgot his identity (as some argue, though I disagree), then how does anyone in storybrooke have contact with the outside world if they cannot make contact? That means Regina had to either wait for someone else to come and convince them to help her or she uses Orrin's dad to do it years later...

The curse was enacted in 1983 and Henry is an 11 year old (correct?), then that means Regina had years before she eventually "got" him

jeri
March 19th, 2013, 08:49 PM
You know when I watched Regina asking Gold if he could fix the repeating days, then she says "you don't know" meaning he doesn't remember, I got the feeling by something in the way he looked that just maybe he did and he chose to conceal his memory. If he did, I don't blame him for wanting to take a few years off of his battle with Regina. Maybe it was a bit of a vacation for him.

hedwig
March 19th, 2013, 09:19 PM
I don't think so. I think the real question is though, how did Mr Gold arrange for Henry to make his way to Storybrooke if no one outside knew it was there, and he couldn't leave without magic?

How do we know it was Mr. Gold who arranged for Henry to be adopted by Regina? Is there something in one of the episodes that suggests this?

rkgardner2003
March 20th, 2013, 02:24 AM
How do we know it was Mr. Gold who arranged for Henry to be adopted by Regina? Is there something in one of the episodes that suggests this?

I can't remember the episode, but I'm pretty sure it was mentioned that Gold helped Regina with the adoption.

Mrja84
March 20th, 2013, 05:35 AM
I can't remember the episode, but I'm pretty sure it was mentioned that Gold helped Regina with the adoption.

That's true in early season 1, Regina and Gold talked about him getting a kid for her to adopt.

Skydiver
March 20th, 2013, 06:56 PM
he was plotting?

so the kid woke up her heart and made her 'soft', if Gold wanted to defuse the black hearted evil, he'd keep her heart open and loving with a kid and keep her distracted from being the evil queen...and maybe keep her from noticing him plotting and planning to get back home so he could kick her tush.

hedwig
March 21st, 2013, 08:37 AM
In this episode, when Owen runs away to find somebody to help his Dad, and then returns, he can't see Regina standing right in front of him, and I presume the Sheriff's car, as well. Yet 28 years later later, when he returns and crashes his car, supposedly he saw (from a distance past the Storybrooke sign) Rumple about to throw a fireball. What changed in all those years that he could see what was happening even though he was on the outside of the town limit?

Inquisitor
March 21st, 2013, 10:24 AM
In this episode, when Owen runs away to find somebody to help his Dad, and then returns, he can't see Regina standing right in front of him, and I presume the Sheriff's car, as well. Yet 28 years later later, when he returns and crashes his car, supposedly he saw (from a distance past the Storybrooke sign) Rumple about to throw a fireball. What changed in all those years that he could see what was happening even though he was on the outside of the town limit?

Gold brought magic to Storybrooke, which opened it up.

That or he was driving at 88mph.

hedwig
March 21st, 2013, 11:14 AM
Gold brought magic to Storybrooke, which opened it up.

That or he was driving at 88mph.

But outside the town limits, there is apparently no magic. And Owen shouldn't have been able to see the group on the Storybrooke side of the town limit.

Mrja84
March 21st, 2013, 01:22 PM
But outside the town limits, there is apparently no magic. And Owen shouldn't have been able to see the group on the Storybrooke side of the town limit.

You forget, both Emma and Booth were able to find Storybrooke and Henry was able to leave Storybrooke and return to it.

So the question is what happened between Owen leaving and Emma arriving?

I think it has to do with Regina's need to not have the townspeople so boring. Yet, that requires magic...maybe she used a big magic card she was saving to get her way. Which is why she was in such a bind with the Mad Hatter in the latter half of season 1.

garhkal
March 21st, 2013, 02:33 PM
I want to know what became of the boy's father, since the Sheriff arrested him at the border of Storybrook and that's the last we see or hear of him ... for now..

Same here.. Did the sheriff put the father in a jail, where he has since rotted away?
But i like that they finally gave a reasoning for the driver who crashed to be there.



I hate to say it, but I'm getting a tad tired of Henry and all his begging and whining about everybody and how perfect they are supposed to be to fit his image of how things should be. I have to keep reminding myself that he's just a kid, but even so he's starting to bug me..

He is getting annoying, but some say that its what kids his age are supposed to be like.



I liked Mr. Gold in this episode. He tried to remove himself from the situation, but maybe family means more to him than he thinks, since he stayed with Snow (to protect her) while the others went looking for Henry.
.

I also liked him in the flashbacks being all so naeive.


a question: at the beginning, we saw that ppl were repeating themselves, but was that *because* of the curse specifically? we saw slight variations, though, but i'm still wondering if regina altered something to make everyone stop repeating themselves.

Perhaps after getting into a routine, their repeating stopped.


I am getting tired quickly of Snow's despair. She did do something terrible, but she did it to save the lives of many people. I'm not sure if it's the fact that Cora is dead or the fact that she so horribly deceived Regina that is making her so distraught....hopefully she figures out the good outweighs the dark.

Does it really though? Does killing someone else to save others alleviate the guilt some feel for killing? Do the ends justify the means?


You know when I watched Regina asking Gold if he could fix the repeating days, then she says "you don't know" meaning he doesn't remember, I got the feeling by something in the way he looked that just maybe he did and he chose to conceal his memory. If he did, I don't blame him for wanting to take a few years off of his battle with Regina. Maybe it was a bit of a vacation for him.




In this episode, when Owen runs away to find somebody to help his Dad, and then returns, he can't see Regina standing right in front of him, and I presume the Sheriff's car, as well. Yet 28 years later later, when he returns and crashes his car, supposedly he saw (from a distance past the Storybrooke sign) Rumple about to throw a fireball. What changed in all those years that he could see what was happening even though he was on the outside of the town limit?



Perhaps it was cause the curse had been broken.. and magic restored that allowed those outside to see in. We know when they cued to regina looking out plaintively, that the sign for the town was here off to the side, but invisible to those out.. and when she reached out, it looked like she was rubbing some sort of force field/bubble.


You forget, both Emma and Booth were able to find Storybrooke and Henry was able to leave Storybrooke and return to it.

So the question is what happened between Owen leaving and Emma arriving?

Emma (and by extent henry) though were not from the other realm/affected by the curse.. so perhaps the curses' protection of the city from outsiders does not apply to them.

Maybe further down the road he might have remembered, but imo that close to when the curse kicked in, i doubt it.

majorsal
March 21st, 2013, 03:45 PM
it seemed that when everyone came to our realm/storybrooke, they immediately fit in and could speak like us, etc. but that happened with regina too...

i guess i wish we could have seen regina have some problems adjusting to our realm, and i mean real problems, not just some confusion on a word or phrase, so on.

hedwig
March 21st, 2013, 04:37 PM
You forget, both Emma and Booth were able to find Storybrooke and Henry was able to leave Storybrooke and return to it.

So the question is what happened between Owen leaving and Emma arriving?

I think it has to do with Regina's need to not have the townspeople so boring. Yet, that requires magic...maybe she used a big magic card she was saving to get her way. Which is why she was in such a bind with the Mad Hatter in the latter half of season 1.

No. I didn't forget anything about that.

And Henry was the one that pointed out the direction for Emma to go to get to Storybrooke. She didn't do it on her own. Henry could come and go because he wasn't born in Storybrooke. He was brought there are some point from outside of Storybrooke.

With August, I have no explanation.

tomstone
March 21st, 2013, 05:27 PM
I thought they established earlier in the Season that they are no longer cut-off from the outside World and that the Outside World could come at any time?

I am starting to ask myself if the writers really messed up or if there is something we just havent been told yet. The way it looks makes it very hard for Gold to ever have gotten Henry to Storybrooke. Also even with Henry in Storybrooke, that would have been some really tough years on the kid considering he had to listen to Mary Margaret every Day talking about her love for Birds. Now thats what I call torture.

Okay, the woman who was Pregnant all those Years sure had no fun either.

Mrja84
March 21st, 2013, 06:31 PM
I thought they established earlier in the Season that they are no longer cut-off from the outside World and that the Outside World could come at any time?

I am starting to ask myself if the writers really messed up or if there is something we just havent been told yet. The way it looks makes it very hard for Gold to ever have gotten Henry to Storybrooke. Also even with Henry in Storybrooke, that would have been some really tough years on the kid considering he had to listen to Mary Margaret every Day talking about her love for Birds. Now thats what I call torture.

Okay, the woman who was Pregnant all those Years sure had no fun either.

It lends credence to Henry saying things were wrong. It required to spend time long enough to notice things like a girl was pregnant for so long. But both Dr. Hopper (great name) and Mary knew Henry and had past relationships with him, so by the time Henry came they could remember at least past experience with him.

I will be frank it is truly unknown whether they really didn't remember the previous day or so? I understand the curse prevents them from realizing how long they've been around, but there's no reason for it to cause them to live the same day over and over.

garhkal
March 22nd, 2013, 01:59 PM
it seemed that when everyone came to our realm/storybrooke, they immediately fit in and could speak like us, etc. but that happened with regina too...

i guess i wish we could have seen regina have some problems adjusting to our realm, and i mean real problems, not just some confusion on a word or phrase, so on.

Especially when it came to using our tech.. Whether just a few glimpses of them wondering "What the heck is this funky box on wheels" to "How is this little gizmo gonna let me talk to people 1000s of miles away (cel phones)...

tomstone
March 24th, 2013, 02:23 PM
I was just thinking around on how Henry could have ended up in Storybrooke under these conditions. The only ones at this point who would be able to Enter and Leave Storybrooke were Emma and August. So if Gold has no Memories and Emma has no clue, then the only one who could have known about Emmas pregnancy and Storybrooke would be August.

I cant work out a scenario though that wouldnt mess up the first Season as to the how, since they made very clear that Regina made a pact with Gold to get Henry. Which is also kind of weird since he is supposed to have no memories. Not just from our viewpoint, but more importantly Reginas.

rkgardner2003
March 25th, 2013, 02:21 AM
Didn't Gold also have his memories? Before the curse was broken, Regina asked him his real name and he told her Rumplestiltskin.....

tomstone
March 25th, 2013, 02:18 PM
Didn't Gold also have his memories? Before the curse was broken, Regina asked him his real name and he told her Rumplestiltskin.....

That is because Gold did something to himself to make him Remember as soon as he met Emma. The moment he heard her Name in the first Episode he got his Memories back. This is also proven by Gold needing a magic scarf in order to leave Storybrooke without turning into his cursed self.

garhkal
April 2nd, 2013, 08:13 PM
Perhaps he had something kicked into the curse that affected his memories but needed that name (emma) to ween him off it.

Baron Of Hell
January 11th, 2015, 01:57 AM
Using the way back machine people seem to be talking about how could Owen find the town. I think there is a bigger question. Owen and his dad were stuck in a town that was stuck in time for at least a week. How come they didn't notice the day repeating? How did the guy fixing their car finish the job? We see one guy repairing the same sign each day.

I think this might be the first episode that was just ok. The way the groundhog day was done ruin the episode for me.

garhkal
January 11th, 2015, 01:25 PM
Maybe only those who initially started in the town did the repeat. Any who came after didn't.