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GateWorld
January 14th, 2013, 08:38 PM
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<FONT SIZE="1">EPISODE NUMBER - 215</FONT>
<DIV STYLE="margin-top:10px; padding:0;">Reunited with a woman from her childhood, Snow recalls her attempt to save her mother from a mysterious illness. Mary Margaret learns of Cora and Regina’s search for Rumpelstiltskin’s dagger, and Hook goes to New York in search of the “Crocodile.”</DIV>
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majorsal
March 4th, 2013, 04:59 PM
i enjoyed the ep! ;)

the season's getting better.

i'm sick of cora and i *really* hope/want regina to give it to her!

so rumple doesn't like henry... saw that coming. poor kid.

neal/bae is a hypocrite.

snow is conflicted. be good and get nothing... ah oh. :p

dang, cora IS evil!! much worse than regina.

i liked that regina finally started questioning good old mother. i liked that look she gave her.

i was surprised when hook was suddenly there and then stabbed rumple.

and WHY didn't we get to see cora and hook being oowed and awed by storybook and our much more civilized world? they just seemed to adapt without a second thought. i feel cheated. :p

poor snow has lost another mother! that maid woman was so good for her/to her. evil cora...


~i wouldn't mind this show being darker...

hedwig
March 4th, 2013, 06:14 PM
Any sympathy I may have felt for Regina is completely gone after this episode. After all, she's the one that ripped the heart out of Snow's nanny, even if she did put it back. And she just stood there and did nothing when Cora threw the woman through the window, and didn't even look bothered by it.

If anyone tells Henry about any of this, I can't see him ever wanting to have anything to do with Regina again.

majorsal
March 4th, 2013, 06:20 PM
Any sympathy I may have felt for Regina is completely gone after this episode. After all, she's the one that ripped the heart out of Snow's nanny, even if she did put it back. And she just stood there and did nothing when Cora threw the woman through the window, and didn't even look bothered by it.

If anyone tells Henry about any of this, I can't see him ever wanting to have anything to do with Regina again.

she didn't know cora was going to do any of that. i think that's why she just stood there, b/c she didn't know what was coming. but yes, she took out the woman's heart and even squeezed it, but she seemed to be a bystander like snow and david in some of cora's deeds.

i feel really sorry for henry. his real mom lied to him (like regina did), his dad he just learned existed, and his grandfather rejected him. oh, and his adopted mom can't stop being bad. :p

Inquisitor
March 4th, 2013, 06:21 PM
What's the relationship between Snow's mother and Cora? I wonder if they'll turn out to be sisters.

majorsal
March 4th, 2013, 06:29 PM
What's the relationship between Snow's mother and Cora? I wonder if they'll turn out to be sisters.

omg, my head just exploded! :p

i'm going to get super lost in family ties if that's the truth. but... looks wise, they could be...

hedwig
March 4th, 2013, 07:35 PM
I'm starting to think that David/Charming isn't much more than window dressing lately. He doesn't have much to do, except to comfort Snow when things get difficult. They need to give him a better story soon.

majorsal
March 4th, 2013, 07:43 PM
I'm starting to think that David/Charming isn't much more than window dressing lately. He doesn't have much to do, except to comfort Snow when things get difficult. They need to give him a better story soon.

i think he's part of the 'the good guys are kind of boring' prob i'm having this season.

jeri
March 4th, 2013, 07:55 PM
Good episode, but I don't get how Hook found them. I get he has a ship made of enchanted wood, but ya still gotta tell it where to go. Emma found a map on him when she locked him in the basement, but how did he get that? Does he have a Rumple detector? :P

rkgardner2003
March 5th, 2013, 03:03 AM
I did enjoy this episode. I love Henry and I do feel for him, especially with Rumple pushing him away, but his needling Emma is going to get old for me fast.

So it looks like Bae spent some time in Neverland...interesting. Maybe he does end up Peter Pan after all. How many years since he was sent from FTL?! He told Emma if he hadn't gone through another land he'd be 100s of year old...

Boy, I can't wait to see Cora get what's coming to her...I'm sure it will be later rather than sooner, pity. It was nice to see Regina a smidge conflicted, maybe there's a tiny glimmer of hope. Now that Cora has the dagger, things are going to get worse, before they can better.

hedwig
March 5th, 2013, 09:56 AM
Good episode, but I don't get how Hook found them. I get he has a ship made of enchanted wood, but ya still gotta tell it where to go. Emma found a map on him when she locked him in the basement, but how did he get that? Does he have a Rumple detector? :P

I was wondering the same thing. One minute he's in Storybrooke, practically the next he's in the city attacking Rumple. And he's wearing the same leather outfit he's been wearing for weeks. He's also getting beaten up a lot. :)

Maybe the map is the one that Regina, Cora and Hook found in the library, since Hook took it at the time.

TrueRomantic
March 5th, 2013, 10:41 AM
Good episode, but I don't get how Hook found them. I get he has a ship made of enchanted wood, but ya still gotta tell it where to go. Emma found a map on him when she locked him in the basement, but how did he get that? Does he have a Rumple detector? :P

The first thing that popped into my head when they showed us the map was an episode of the show Legend of the Seeker. Some bad guys had used magic and an item belonging to the Seeker (Richard) to make a map that would track Richard.

And that's exactly what I thought of when I saw this map. Because like we're all saying/thinking, how would he have found Rumple, specifically, in that huge town without some sort of help?

garhkal
March 5th, 2013, 12:48 PM
and WHY didn't we get to see cora and hook being oowed and awed by storybook and our much more civilized world? they just seemed to adapt without a second thought. i feel cheated. :p.

It is strange somewhat, how easily some of the new folk seemed to have quickly adapted..


If anyone tells Henry about any of this, I can't see him ever wanting to have anything to do with Regina again.

Especially if/when he finds out that Cora killed Snows mother..

On the "Snow getting irked that good always seems to win out at a great cost" angle.. i would have LOVED it had she stabbed Cora with rumpies dagger!

tomstone
March 5th, 2013, 01:26 PM
Pretty nice Episode. Things are getting Quite complicated. Actually it would be best for Snow and Charming to warn Emma and Gold not to return to Storybrook or at least trying to do it undercover since Gold needs to be at least over the Town Line in order to heal himself.

Also I guess the Timeline question is sort of answered. At least we were all wondering last Season how much time could have possibly passed between Baes Escape and the inacting of the Curse. His mentioning he crossed Hooks path , knows how to steer his Ship and that he went to another World before ending up in ours makes him the best candidate to be Peter Pan. That also delivers an instant explanation how he ended up in our World in the end. He met Wendy, fell in love and saw her Grow old, which is what made him want to finally Grow up too and ultimatly come to our World. This is all just guess, but wouldnt it make sense?

As for Regina and Cora, I think Regina is going to change her mind again soon. Before Cora came Regina was already blaming her. Now she has confirmation that her Mother is behind all her Pain.

And for Snow. YAY! That last sentence of hers made her quite sympatic. Good still has to triumph over Evil. Or to put it otherwise. How many Stories are there, where the Villain survives?

hedwig
March 5th, 2013, 04:31 PM
Especially if/when he finds out that Cora killed Snows mother..

Or ... if he ever finds out that Regina had Snow's father (Henry's great-grandfather, King Leopold) killed.

I have a feeling that Snow might just tell Henry about this.

majorsal
March 5th, 2013, 04:34 PM
Or ... if he ever finds out that Regina had Snow's father (Henry's great-grandfather, King Leopold) killed.

i was actually thinking of that a bit after the ep (b/c i want her to get rid of her mother). so if she killed cora, then that would mean she killed both her parents. :S :p

but cora is really bad. she's destroyed so many ppl's happiness. regina still has a chance at redemption.

jeri
March 5th, 2013, 05:00 PM
I was wondering the same thing. One minute he's in Storybrooke, practically the next he's in the city attacking Rumple. And he's wearing the same leather outfit he's been wearing for weeks. He's also getting beaten up a lot. :)

Maybe the map is the one that Regina, Cora and Hook found in the library, since Hook took it at the time.

Well, maybe Gold left a map of where he was going for Belle in case something happened. But then how would she leave as they said there was only enough of his magic potion for his shall, one reason Belle couldn't go with him. I don't get why he would leave a map of where he was going. So I am back to the same question, how did Hook find him?

jeri
March 5th, 2013, 05:04 PM
i was actually thinking of that a bit after the ep (b/c i want her to get rid of her mother). so if she killed cora, then that would mean she killed both her parents. :S :p

but cora is really bad. she's destroyed so many ppl's happiness. regina still has a chance at redemption.
Yeah Cora is bad for sure. I think Regina was really getting worried about her mom's intentions, and now that she knows more, she may just end up killing her! That is too much, killing both!

Next episode we get to see Cora's back story and what she and Rumple got up too. Maybe Rumple deserves her wrath. Probably why when Cora sealed their deal with a kiss, Rumple/Gold looked a bit unnerved indeed. :eek:

Inquisitor
March 6th, 2013, 01:13 AM
Or ... if he ever finds out that Regina had Snow's father (Henry's great-grandfather, King Leopold) killed.


He knows that though, it's in the book.

garhkal
March 6th, 2013, 02:21 PM
What ep did he read that part?

TrueRomantic
March 6th, 2013, 02:24 PM
What ep did he read that part?

I've always taken it to be that Henry's read the whole book. That's why he could find some of the stories easily and such. And if he's anything like me, he'd read the whole book simply because it's a single book lol. But IMO, the show gives the general impression that Henry has read the entire book. TBH, I've always taken the flashbacks as essentially the stories Henry read at some point. We know he's had the book for awhile, so I think it's safe to assume he's read all of it.

Baron Of Hell
January 10th, 2015, 11:34 PM
Really like this episode but thought Hook being able to find Rush was a odd choice. A person from a small town would have a hard time navigating New York let alone someone from a different world without cars, planes, subways, lights and stuff.

Oh look the bad people are doing bad things again. Good thing the good guys forgave them for the 100th time so they could kill more people later. My guess is they'll get the dagger back and not trap or kill evil mother and daughter. A couple weeks later evil mother and daughter does more bad stuff and kills more people. Snow isn't going to kill anybody no matter how much she huffs and puffs about it.

Something I'm not completely sure about is if Regina thinks of herself as a good person. Maybe in her mind she is the hero and everyone else are the evil ones.

Last episode I gave up on the idea of Bae being Peter Pan but now it seems he could be. He said he went to another world before this one and he knows Hook. I wonder if Bae's girlfriend is Wendy or Tiger Lilly. Or heck maybe Tinkerbell, that would be a twist.

garhkal
January 11th, 2015, 01:23 PM
Guess again!!!
Bae is henry's dad and was the beau of Emma