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GateWorld
November 27th, 2012, 11:03 AM
<DIV ALIGN=CENTER><TABLE WIDTH=450 BORDER=0 CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=7><TR><TD STYLE="border:0;"><DIV ALIGN=LEFT><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=2 COLOR="#000000"><A HREF="http://www.scifistream.com/doctor-who/s7/the-snowmen/"><IMG SRC="http://www.scifistream.com/wp-content/uploads/the-snowmen1-160x120.jpg" WIDTH=160 HEIGHT=120 ALIGN=RIGHT HSPACE=10 VSPACE=2 BORDER=0 STYLE="border: 1px black solid;" ALT="Visit the Episode Guide"></A><FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#888888">DOCTOR WHO SERIES 33</FONT>
<FONT SIZE=4><A HREF="http://www.scifistream.com/doctor-who/s7/the-snowmen/" STYLE="text-decoration: none">THE SNOWMEN</A></FONT>
<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 3306 (706)</FONT>
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When Victorian London is beset by an army of intelligent snow a children’s governess pleads with the Doctor for help, drawing him out of his isolation to save the planet once again.

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Sealurk
December 25th, 2012, 09:14 AM
AWESOME titles and theme!!! Very much in the vein of classic Who. I heartily approve.

I should have known there would be a Sherlock Holmes reference...

Poor old Strax, resurrection hasn't done him any favours.

TARDIS exterior looks a bit worn.

Ah, it's those glasses again.

Liking the new TARDIS interior!

"Smaller on the outside"

Wow, I think that must be the shortest time a companion's had to be with the Doctor to be given a key.

Teddybrown
December 25th, 2012, 09:14 AM
Dammit Sealurk again!
Very good episode, highly approve of the new companion (not just on looks)
Very interested to see where this storyline is going...
Approve of the new TARDIS and opening sequence too.
I enjoyed Strax in this one and look forward to seeing him again.

Best Christmas episode so far though, and really looking forward to 2013, looks awesome!

2013 trailer
http://doctorwhotv.co.uk/series-7-part-2-2013-trailer-43268.htm

stargatefan234
December 25th, 2012, 09:27 AM
An ok episode.

Too many Sherlock references, one was fine (and welcomed :P)

Strax was the best part.

TARDIS interior looks good.

The character side of the story was excellent, the end of the world side... kinda got wrapped up too quickly.

The episode either needed an extra thirty minutes in length or just cut the end of the world entirely. The characters were that good i think the episode could have functioned perfectly well without it.

Titles looked amazing, very classic who. next year looks good :)

mjwalshe
December 25th, 2012, 09:30 AM
all ill say so far is Strax FTW and the BBC defiantly need to do a Lady Vastra Special at some point

Draygon
December 25th, 2012, 09:41 AM
Very much enjoyed today's episode.

Loved the new title sequence, it fitted in well with my classic who nostalgia binge I've been on today.

The characterisation was well done and I was able to engage with the family and Clara quickly.

Poor old Strax, he does try but as said before in this thread, resurrection didn't do him much favours in his mental faculties. He does at least have his moments and it was amusing watching his banter with the Doctor.

I'll admit, I was looking forward to there being a companion from the past travelling with the Doctor but... well, I think this will be much more interesting :D

and a final note
my mum giggled out loud when the Doctor was commenting on the "Greater Intellligance" card. She explained afterwards that she had worked out the reference, both to the card and the significance of the London underground map. Apparently yetis were one of the few old Doctor Who monsters that didn't scare her as a child :P

Teddybrown
December 25th, 2012, 10:54 AM
I sorta knew the connection, from reading about past episodes, but now I can link the map...
So, Im guessing this episode is after the old episodes chronologically? As in, this isnt their first attempt at taking Earth and those episodes were?
Im interested to see Dr Simeons return in the finale and how it links

Draygon
December 25th, 2012, 11:34 AM
I sorta knew the connection, from reading about past episodes, but now I can link the map...
So, Im guessing this episode is after the old episodes chronologically? As in, this isnt their first attempt at taking Earth and those episodes were?
Im interested to see Dr Simeons return in the finale and how it links
Actually I think the implication is that this comes before those old Who episodes chronologically.

Alan
December 25th, 2012, 11:58 AM
Holy moly, that was fantastic! The entire cast was brilliant in it but obviously Matt led it amazingly as always and continues to dazzle and shine as The Doctor and Jenna-Louise Coleman is wonderful! She was a joy to watch and I welcome her to the Whoniverse and Clara to the TARDIS crew! Here's to the start of a new chapter for Doctor Who and the beginning of the Doctor and Clara's adventures together through time and space!

And there were sooooo many things I wasn't expecting to see! A new title sequence! A new variation of the DW theme! A new TARDIS console room which is absolutely spectacular! The return (or origin story(?)) of an old enemy!

Matt G
December 25th, 2012, 01:56 PM
1. Clara...was not what I was expecting. She rocks though.

2. How in the hell have either Vestra or Strax not been lynched?

3. Great Intelligence...as in old School Yeti! Interesting.

4. Simeon was...little bit too close to home as a bad guy.

Fun ep though.

Ian-S
December 25th, 2012, 03:00 PM
I hope to see more of Strax next year, he's fast becoming the comical sidekick, the whole scene with the worm had me in stitches.

Clara is a bit of a mystery, but hell, already a far more spunky companion than Amy, (in a less pin up her arse sort of way), not sure on the "mystery of the companion" storyline though, seems vaguely familiar tbh, one day he might just pickup a companion that doesn't have baggage.

CloakPotion255
December 25th, 2012, 03:29 PM
I enjoyed the episode a lot!

The actual episode was great. I'm not sure about the Tardis though, I did prefer the old one... but ya know. Probably on my own there :P

Again, not sure if I like Clara. I'll probably like her in the end, but I did like Amy and Rory.

I'm really looking forward to 2013 though. I'm sure I'll get used to them soon!

Flyboy
December 25th, 2012, 04:09 PM
It could be because I had to stay up bloody late based on my current shift patterns and the time this was aired where I currently am, and because every now and then I had to shoot death glares at some colleagues who decided to have conversations.... but this episode didn't thrill me. Which is dissapointing. When I get the opportunity to watch this again in the UK, then I will re-assess my opinion. But apart from the opening sequence (which was GLORIOUS), much of the episode felt like a hangover from the RTD era. Not so impressed. The Snowmen themselves didn't interest me, and the Ice-Governess just didn'twork for me, particularly with Moffat's trademark out of place one liner ('are you my mummy', 'who turned out the lights'), something that worked the first time, but hasn't since.

I found the Doctor's character far too easily wavering back to his traditional self, which was dissapoinint. I'm intrigued by Oswin - looks like this could be an interesting arc... the scenes with the Great Intelligence in the 'lab' were very good, and I hope it's revisited - why doesn't the Doctor remember it though?

Much as I like her character, I resent the implication that Vastra is Holmes, however, it was implied in the Talons of Weng Chiang that the Doctor was the inspiration for Holmes. Strax, alternatively, is amazing.

The Flyattractor
December 25th, 2012, 07:07 PM
Actually I think the implication is that this comes before those old Who episodes chronologically.Technically it dosen't because at this time the GI is already in tibet possessing the body of the High Priest of the Det Sen Monastary for about 300 years or so. But I am sure there will be a Timey Wimey explanation to it. Hence the map of the LU.
And thought Oswin was ok. Nothing that they haven't really done before. I stay make Strax the new companion. That would be fun and DIFFERANT!
Vesta and her wife didn't need to be in the story. Neither really did much other then provide excuses to move things along.
New Tardis console very retro rocking cool. Interior looked cgi and kinda plain but still a nice change.

Quizziard
December 25th, 2012, 08:23 PM
As usual, would like a second viewing before deciding. I think I liked it, though the Christmas eps are usually more lightweight than normal.

Sealurk
December 26th, 2012, 03:26 AM
Anybody else notice that Clara's gravestone says she was born on November 23? Admittedly not 1963 (at least, not this Clara/Oswin...), but still. Is this just a nod to a significant date in Who history, or will it actually be an arc point?

P-90_177
December 26th, 2012, 07:55 AM
It could be because I had to stay up bloody late based on my current shift patterns and the time this was aired where I currently am, and because every now and then I had to shoot death glares at some colleagues who decided to have conversations.... but this episode didn't thrill me. Which is dissapointing. When I get the opportunity to watch this again in the UK, then I will re-assess my opinion. But apart from the opening sequence (which was GLORIOUS), much of the episode felt like a hangover from the RTD era. Not so impressed. The Snowmen themselves didn't interest me, and the Ice-Governess just didn'twork for me, particularly with Moffat's trademark out of place one liner ('are you my mummy', 'who turned out the lights'), something that worked the first time, but hasn't since.

I found the Doctor's character far too easily wavering back to his traditional self, which was dissapoinint. I'm intrigued by Oswin - looks like this could be an interesting arc... the scenes with the Great Intelligence in the 'lab' were very good, and I hope it's revisited - why doesn't the Doctor remember it though?

Much as I like her character, I resent the implication that Vastra is Holmes, however, it was implied in the Talons of Weng Chiang that the Doctor was the inspiration for Holmes. Strax, alternatively, is amazing.

I had no problem with vastra being holmes. After all the Doctor may be the original inspiration but when you compare them he isn't really all that Holmes like. Tom Baker was far too dotty for that, so Doyle got inspiration from the Doctor but then modeled the character on Vastras exploits. The Doctor still feels akin to the role though since he was running around claiming to be Holmes.

MasySyma
December 26th, 2012, 08:22 AM
Thank Goodness. Who hasn't completely lost it. After a lackluster front half (minus the debut of Oswin), this episode reminds that Who can be interesting.

The Good:
I liked Clara, and the Oswin mystery works ok. Of course it will likely become yet another mystery Moffat doesn't bother to fully answer, but at least she is entertaining. I appreciate that she has spunk but isn't brassy.

The side companions were amusing, and I liked the return of the Doctor via the selection of the new companion.

The lack of Amy. Only one pond reference. Amy's "takeover" of Who has really hurt the show for me. The show became about her, her choices, her child, her life and not death. This special united a companion's story with the Doctor.

The lack of horrifying levels of sentiment. The tears at the end got close, but the episode worked so much better than last year's terrible special.

The Troubling:
How old is the Doctor? Is he still married? Yes, the DVD episodes explained everything, but the show has not yet.

Can he not romance the companions, please? We don't need a Rose, Martha, Amy (sort of) repeat.

Overall, an ok special. 8/10.

WingedPegasus
December 26th, 2012, 05:21 PM
I thought it was an awesome episode! :D :D Much better than last year's. :P But what's with Clara/Oswin? Can she not die, and just jumps to a different time at her apparent "death"?

The Flyattractor
December 26th, 2012, 05:27 PM
Oswin will be the Kenny of Dr.WHO

Roach
December 26th, 2012, 06:44 PM
I enjoyed the episode a lot. Much better then I thought it was going to be. Strax was a riot!! Esp. the part with the worm... "Sir emergency!! I think I've been run over by a cab!!" Hahahahahaha.

I'm not sure I get the GI connection... going to look that up now.

I like Clara. but I really miss the Ponds. And I hope River is back at some point... I liked that whole group. :(

Overall, I'd give it a 8/10. Looking forward to the return of the show.

techs
December 27th, 2012, 12:21 PM
I very much enjoyed this special. More so than the last few.

The introduction of a new companion is always special and Moffat seems to have outdone himself. He has tricked us not once, but twice. The Doctor still has not met the new companion!

I do have to wonder if the gangers will have anything to do with the multiple Claras, if we can call them that? Or are they mulitple Oswins?

Strax was superb. As were Vastra and Jenny.

On another note I am enjoying the haters going on about how its Moffat and his homosexual agenda of gay marriage. Yes, you have a lizard woman dinosaur from the dawn of time getting married to a human and apparently what bothers people is its to a woman. Too ironical!

In fact, the mulitple known characters in this special were actually a very good plot tool since time is limited and you can just get into the story with people you know.

I could really see the love and care that Moffat put into this. I think he had kinda been focusing on other things and was slipping a bit. This was true Who.

Sealurk
December 27th, 2012, 02:05 PM
Having watched it two and a half times now, I think my opinion of The Snowmen has crystallised. I quite like it, but it also feels a bit sub-par. Actually, much of Series 7 so far has to me (particularly the Moff's episodes), but I take this as a very good sign - it suggests to me that Moffatt is focusing much more time and energy on the 50th Anniversary.

Strax was very amusing, but at times I felt the humour in the episode was a bit overdone and forced. I quite liked the references to past episodes and events, and the renovated TARDIS interior is pretty good, though the colours are a tad cold for my liking. I personally loved the last version, easily my favourite iteration of the Doctor's trusty ship.

The snowmen themselves weren't all that threatening to me, but I did like their slightly shark-inspired design, and they continue Moffatt's theme of making innocuous, innocent things deadly.

Not bad - 7/10

knowles2
December 27th, 2012, 04:13 PM
I watched the episode with the family, which meant I missed half of it.

I like the looked of the snowmen and the ice women at the end, good CGI for once. Enjoyed some of the banter that I manage to hear.

But it seems clara dies again. My theory is that Clara is not even alive, Amy and Rory deaths cause the doctor to have a psychotic break down and the out come of this is that he has created Clara as a companion that cant die, that he cant lose, as she will just be recreated by his mind again in another time and place and by shear force of will she is being impose on the universe by the Doctor. Which is bound to have consequences. Especially as the doctor doesn't know he the one creating clara.

The above doesn't make complete sense but it the only idea I have come up with so far.

techs
December 28th, 2012, 03:09 AM
I My theory is that Clara is not even alive, Amy and Rory deaths cause the doctor to have a psychotic break down

Well, he is a madman with a box:)

Starfist
December 29th, 2012, 04:19 AM
Well I finally was able to sit down and watch this episode/special. And I liked what I saw.

Starx had my in stitches... Jenny was cute, and Richard E. Grant was fantastic as the villian.
I'm not sure about the new look interior but I'm sure it will grow on me.

And I think I'm going to Like Clara... No I like Clara... :D
The opening credits and 'tweeked' theme tune are OK. Does this mean we may get the original theme if they do a '50th' special episode? Or has Mr. Moffatt got a surprise planned?

GateFanSamJack
December 29th, 2012, 08:34 AM
I liked it, didn't love it, but only in that other episodes have ballooned my standards.

Clara's fragmentation through time reminds me of Scaroth from City of Death. I wonder if the Doctor might be responsible for her fragmentation later. Maybe even intentionally, not being able to save her from an explosion or displace her in time wholly, he sends her through time in fragments. I'd say the explosion in Asylum of the Daleks was forceful like Scaroth's, but Clara seemed familiar with him already in that episode. I wouldn't mind if Clara's a Jagaroth like Scaroth, it'd be cute to have a non-human companion and easier to accept not knowing ahead of time.

It's also possible from scenes we've seen, including from previews, that the Tardis is moving through the 4 time zones from Eternity Clock.

Blencathra
December 29th, 2012, 10:22 AM
Interesting theory about Scaroth.

I've finally managed to get here to write my opinion. I loved the new titles and music. Strax was so funny, particularly his antics with the memory worm and him thinking grenades are the solution to everything. :D I thought Richard E Grant and Sir Ian McKellen were great as the villains. Pity the majority of Second Doctor episodes with the Great Intelligence are no longer extant.

I'm really happy with the new TARDIS. My favourite part was when the Doctor and Clara are tracked from outside, walk through the doors and into the TARDIS interior all seemingly in one long shot. Nice camera work.

As for Clara, I have my own theory about her.



I think she is an avatar created by CAL and/or River in the Library. Perhaps she is an amalgamation of the two.

She seems to have a "mission" each time we have seen her. I think her first mission was to remove the Doctor from the Dalek database, her second mission being to drag the Doctor out of retirement and back to saving the universe once again. All very River-like ideas.

I suspect that in the Library River can't quite remember who or what she is (like Donna and Lee while they were in the Library) but is attempting to escape. Perhaps if the body of avatar "fails", ie being turned into a Dalek etc, then the conscious part returns to the Library and another avatar is sent out instead to complete the next part of the "mission".


CAL or CALara?

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Some sort of computer genius, who creates her own world to live in (complete with nice cushions :D)

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Has a habit of falling on top of the Doctor

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Likes to snog him when she can

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Is happy to look after children but perhaps not as a full time job

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Falls off tall structures

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Gets herself invited to go with the Doctor even when she is dying

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Well that's my current theory anyway. :P

Unfortunately if I do turn out to be right I do worry that Alex Kingston will no longer be River. :(

Ian-S
December 29th, 2012, 08:00 PM
interesting theory :)

Cold Fuzz
December 29th, 2012, 08:33 PM
Strong episode. It didn't capture my attention the way The Eleventh Hour did but it was still a good beginning for Clara.

My favorite parts of the episode:

• Vastra, Jenny, and Strax
• New TARDIS interior reflecting the Doctor's current emotional state
• The Doctor's darker costume
• Ian McKellen's voice
• Clara moonlighting as a governess
• Telepathic snow


My personal theory on Clara: Being wired into the Pathweb, she had access to lots of Dalek tech, including time travel. She probably transported bits of her consciousness throughout time, somehow manifesting itself physically.

Lilith
December 31st, 2012, 01:45 PM
Interesting theory about Scaroth. :)

I've finally managed to get here to write my opinion. I loved the new titles and music. Strax was so funny, particularly his antics with the memory worm and him thinking grenades are the solution to everything. :D I thought Richard E Grant and Sir Ian McKellen were great as the villains. Pity the majority of Second Doctor episodes with the Great Intelligence are no longer extant.

I'm really happy with the new TARDIS. My favourite part was when the Doctor and Clara are tracked from outside, walk through the doors and into the TARDIS interior all seemingly in one long shot. I also loved the 360 degree look round the TARDIS interior. Nice camera work.

As for Clara, I have my own theory about her.



I think she is an avatar created by CAL and/or River in the Library. Perhaps she is an amalgam of the two.

She seems to have a "mission" each time we have seen her. I think her first mission was to remove the Doctor from the Dalek database, her second mission being to drag the Doctor out of retirement and back to saving the universe once again. All very River-like ideas.

I suspect that in the Library River can't quite remember who or what she is (like Donna and Lee while they were in the Library) but is attempting to escape. Perhaps if the body of avatar "fails", ie being turned into a Dalek etc, then the conscious part returns to the Library and another avatar is sent out instead to complete the next part of the "mission".

CAL or CALara?

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8214/8317881251_46a52845e5_z.jpg
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8360/8318963298_d9fae816b8_z.jpg


Some sort of computer genius, who creates her own world to live in (complete with nice cushions :D)

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8355/8318932484_c19e617889_z.jpg
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8502/8318926270_765fd54cfd_z.jpg


Has a habit of falling on top of the Doctor

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8082/8318882068_e86289fa4f_z.jpg
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8079/8317816309_17d8d79257_z.jpg


And falling off tall structures

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http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8220/8317819035_11ee40aec5_z.jpg


Well that's my current theory anyway. :P

Unfortunately if I do turn out to be right I do worry that Alex Kingston will no longer be River. :(


omg! i had a similar theory today when i caught the tail end of Forest of the Dead on BBC America! [( they're doing a DW marathon to bring in the new year )] esp, at the end when Charlotte says "I'm a very clever girl," it really made me think that maybe she's an avatar of Oswin that didn't get chance to reach maturity... and Moffat wrote SitL/FotD and my head's been running circles since i came to that realization

Alan
December 31st, 2012, 03:55 PM
OT but:


HAPPY NEW YEAR FELLOW WHOVIANS!!!!
HERE'S TO A BRILLIANT 2013
& 50TH ANNIVERSARY YEAR FOR
DOCTOR WHO!!!!

SGalisa
January 1st, 2013, 06:40 PM
As for Clara, I have my own theory about her.



I think she is an avatar created by CAL and/or River in the Library. Perhaps she is an amalgamation of the two.

She seems to have a "mission" each time we have seen her. I think her first mission was to remove the Doctor from the Dalek database, her second mission being to drag the Doctor out of retirement and back to saving the universe once again. All very River-like ideas.

I suspect that in the Library River can't quite remember who or what she is (like Donna and Lee while they were in the Library) but is attempting to escape. Perhaps if the body of avatar "fails", ie being turned into a Dalek etc, then the conscious part returns to the Library and another avatar is sent out instead to complete the next part of the "mission".

CAL or CALara?

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8214/8317881251_46a52845e5_z.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8360/8318963298_d9fae816b8_z.jpg


Some sort of computer genius, who creates her own world to live in (complete with nice cushions :D)

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8355/8318932484_c19e617889_z.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8502/8318926270_765fd54cfd_z.jpg


Has a habit of falling on top of the Doctor

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8082/8318882068_e86289fa4f_z.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8079/8317816309_17d8d79257_z.jpg


And falling off tall structures

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8363/8317822691_8899144439_z.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8220/8317819035_11ee40aec5_z.jpg


Well that's my current theory anyway. :P

Unfortunately if I do turn out to be right I do worry that Alex Kingston will no longer be River. :(


VERRRRRRRRRRRRRY interesting! :)
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I almost got into a heavy debate in real life about watching this eppy as a stand-alone, that it was okay, but it really helped enhance the eppy by seeing the previous Dalek eppy with Amy and Rory, and Oswin. I think seeing the previous one, helped make this one that much more special, especially when the Doctor realized who Clara was and gave her his TARDIS key. ;)

mr_kennedy
January 1st, 2013, 10:02 PM
Oswin will be the Kenny of Dr.WHO

I thought Rory was the Kenny of Dr Who

Cold Fuzz
January 2nd, 2013, 12:10 AM
I thought Rory was the Kenny of Dr Who

Clara could one-up Rory if she ends up dying in every single episode she's in. It's unprecedented in Doctor Who lore and that's precisely why Moff might go for it. :P

Matt G
January 2nd, 2013, 04:15 AM
Clara as a Jageroth(couldn't remember species name) is what I'm going with at the mo.

Replicator Todd
January 2nd, 2013, 12:37 PM
Definitely one of the best specials to date in my eyes, the new opening titles and TARDIS is fantastic! Bring on the 50th!

mr_kennedy
January 2nd, 2013, 05:29 PM
I preferred the old titles, i did like the new tardis quite abit tho :)


Clara could one-up Rory if she ends up dying in every single episode she's in. It's unprecedented in Doctor Who lore and that's precisely why Moff might go for it. :P

I dont really watch south park but all i know is rory did die quite abit :p

P-90_177
January 2nd, 2013, 05:45 PM
I thought Rory was the Kenny of Dr Who

Considering the whole franchise I think that honour goes to the daleks. :P

Lilith
January 2nd, 2013, 05:56 PM
Considering the whole franchise I think that honour goes to the daleks. :P

my dear doctor! it's been far too long! and yes, the daleks never do seem to stay dead for long....

Purple Glow
January 4th, 2013, 10:13 AM
Here's the best explanation for Clara imo.
Mod insert : Spoilers on Spec through S7 under the tags.

Clara is a manifestation of the TV show itself.

1. In Asylum, her last name is Oswald. The other guy we meet from the Alaska, his name is Harvey. Lee harvey Oswald killed JFK on November 22nd, 1963, the same day the first episode of Doctor Who was set to air.

2. Clara was born on November 23rd per her gravestone. She dies at age 26. The original series ran for 26 years.

3. Clara has died twice and been brought back a third time now, or at least will be when the next episode airs. The TV show has been cancelled twice. Once in 1989, and again after the failed 1996 pilot in America. The show was brought back for a third run.

4. Clara breaks the 4th wall in Asylum and speaks directly to the camera, something no other character has ever done in the new series. Again, implying she is beyond a character in the TV show itself.

One other thing about Clara.

Oswin Oswald. Initials are O.O. The second manifestation, her name became Clara Oswin Oswald. Initials are C.O.O. I'm willing to bet that in her third manifestation, he is Clara Oswin Oswald L*****, so her initials are C.O.O.L. Why? Because Doctor Who is cool!

One more thing

This may mean that the 50th anniversary special will focus on the Doctor breaking through into "our" universe, so to speak, where Doctor Who is just a TV Series. The Doctor meets actors Matt Smith, David Tennant, Chris Eccelston, and all the others who played the character. He meets with the actors and actresses who played companions, producers, etc. I would have to think a crossover is in store if we're breaking the 4th wall here.

Flyboy
January 5th, 2013, 06:15 AM
There *is* an 'edit' button...

Bagpuss
January 5th, 2013, 06:23 AM
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ETA : Fixed.

Pharaoh Hamenthotep
January 5th, 2013, 07:55 AM
I thought it was an awesome episode! :D :D Much better than last year's. :P But what's with Clara/Oswin? Can she not die, and just jumps to a different time at her apparent "death"?

So there seem to be versions of her spread out across time..

Was no one else thinking about Blackadder? :p




......I'm old :(

Lilith
January 5th, 2013, 11:48 AM
So there seem to be versions of her spread out across time..

Was no one else thinking about Blackadder? :p




......I'm old :(

i've never seen Blackadder... but that has more to do with my nationality than my age.... it's on my "to watch" list

Cahir
January 5th, 2013, 11:54 AM
Here's the best explanation for Clara imo.
Mod insert : Spoilers on Spec through S7 under the tags.

Clara is a manifestation of the TV show itself.

1. In Asylum, her last name is Oswald. The other guy we meet from the Alaska, his name is Harvey. Lee harvey Oswald killed JFK on November 22nd, 1963, the same day the first episode of Doctor Who was set to air.

2. Clara was born on November 23rd per her gravestone. She dies at age 26. The original series ran for 26 years.

3. Clara has died twice and been brought back a third time now, or at least will be when the next episode airs. The TV show has been cancelled twice. Once in 1989, and again after the failed 1996 pilot in America. The show was brought back for a third run.

4. Clara breaks the 4th wall in Asylum and speaks directly to the camera, something no other character has ever done in the new series. Again, implying she is beyond a character in the TV show itself.

One other thing about Clara.

Oswin Oswald. Initials are O.O. The second manifestation, her name became Clara Oswin Oswald. Initials are C.O.O. I'm willing to bet that in her third manifestation, he is Clara Oswin Oswald L*****, so her initials are C.O.O.L. Why? Because Doctor Who is cool!

One more thing

This may mean that the 50th anniversary special will focus on the Doctor breaking through into "our" universe, so to speak, where Doctor Who is just a TV Series. The Doctor meets actors Matt Smith, David Tennant, Chris Eccelston, and all the others who played the character. He meets with the actors and actresses who played companions, producers, etc. I would have to think a crossover is in store if we're breaking the 4th wall here.

Huh, I never got any of that. Congratulations for working that all out!

Crazedwraith
January 13th, 2013, 02:57 AM
This episode was terrible, self-indulgent claptrap.

Also Clara's death could had been avoided if you just shut the door on the ice monster you knew was chasing you.

Greenee
January 13th, 2013, 07:12 AM
Verry good ep. in my opinion. I laught, I cried, I was thrilled. And I was many times like "WHAT?!", "You're kidding me" (meening Moffat/the producers), for example whith the Sherlock Holmes thing. And in the end I was all like "No way, you can't stop here. You can't do this to me!" Such a mean cliffhanger. Can't wait to see where this is going.

I was doubtfull if I would like the new companion, coause I was quite sad, when Amy an Rory left. But I realy do like Clara and I like the way the Doctor is affected my her. Even though I thought "Hang on, you're just married. Isn't this a bit quick. On the other side, I was never thought the flirting with River was very convincing, if pretty amusing. But I hope River will be back at some point. She is a good charakter.

Don't know if I like the thing with the other aliens tring to bring back teh Doctor, though. It was... I don't know. Well like I said, still unsure here.

Girlbot
January 13th, 2013, 08:17 AM
The Sontaran was the best part of this ep :D

Lilith
January 13th, 2013, 11:42 AM
#Straxforcompanion is trending on twitter.... i've joined the campaign :D

okay, now honestly, am i the only one who wasn't sad to see Amy and Rory go? i mean, don't get me wrong, i loved the Ponds as much as the next whovian, but i honestly thought they didn't need to come back for s7....

The Flyattractor
January 15th, 2013, 01:44 PM
I am sure they will at least do some silly cameo towards the end of the season.

techs
January 15th, 2013, 03:05 PM
I am sure they will at least do some silly cameo towards the end of the season.

Well, it doesn't make any sense that the Doctor can't go back and visit them, or even bring them forward in time after they spend a year or two in the past. Otherwise it would mean he can never visit earth between the time Amy and Rory went back up until their death.

I suspect that he will visit them and for some reason they want to stay in the past. Possibly Amy will have a child and they can't leave their time because it would be bad for the child. And they no longer want to go on adventures with the Doctor.

Lilith
January 16th, 2013, 03:55 AM
so far, rumors say Vastra, Jenny, and Strax will reappear sometime in the next half of the season... River's only in one ep near the season finale.... they've managed to keep a v tight lid on the big 50.... i mean i've heard that Billie's confirmed, and then i hear she hasn't even been asked.... it's all contradictory data being thrown around and no one seems to know the absolute truth.....

techs, there's a deleted scene that never got filmed b/c it just didn't fit into the ep.... anyways, Amy and Rory adopt a boy, and he travels to London to deliver a letter to Brian detailing their life in Manhattan... it's a very tear-jerker scene... so completely filled with feels.... oh god, the feels! i'll see if i can find it for you....

Replicator Todd
January 17th, 2013, 04:50 PM
#Straxforcompanion is trending on twitter.... i've joined the campaign :D

okay, now honestly, am i the only one who wasn't sad to see Amy and Rory go? i mean, don't get me wrong, i loved the Ponds as much as the next whovian, but i honestly thought they didn't need to come back for s7....

I was sad to see them go however I was happy to have someone new! :) And really, Clara is cool enough but Strax is awesome! I lost it when he went "quiet, boy!"

Lilith
January 18th, 2013, 05:08 AM
I was sad to see them go however I was happy to have someone new! :) And really, Clara is cool enough but Strax is awesome! I lost it when he went "quiet, boy!"

i managed to keep it together, but then lost it when he said he seemed to have been run over by a carriage.... also, "who do you think i am?" "sherlcok holmes!" i just about died x3

maneth
July 7th, 2013, 10:21 AM
This one was just as funny IMO as the other specials have been. And yeah, the mystery of Clara is really interesting. I also liked the new look TARDIS.