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August 11th, 2012, 04:30 PM
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<FONT SIZE="1">EPISODE NUMBER - 3302 (702)</FONT>
<DIV STYLE="margin-top:10px; padding:0;">After gathering a crew of friends the Doctor attempts to save an unmanned ship full of dinosaurs hurtling toward Earth, and finds a man on board who will stop at nothing to keep his valuable cargo.</DIV>

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Teddybrown
September 8th, 2012, 12:20 PM
Beat ya to it Sealurk!
I do believe it is 1-1 now... :P
Anyway, back on subject, what a fun episode!
Wasnt as good as the season opener but it was a good fun romp!
Rorys dad was funny, the villain was interesting and equally menacing, nice mix of people and lots of great one liners and banter!
Rorys dad and all his pocket contraptions...
Going to need to watch it again as Im currently running on about 32 hrs no sleep... but it was easy enough to follow.
Those damn kestrels!
Robots were fun too, not as silly as I thought theyd be.
Was wondering how the Silurians would fit in...
Nice ending too with Rorys dad sitting on the edge of the TARDIS.

Next weeks episode looks good, looking forward to seeing Ben Browder...

Sealurk
September 8th, 2012, 12:25 PM
Loved it! You know, I actually far preferred that episode to Asylum of the Daleks, and I hope Solomon had some means of escaping that blast because he could be a very interesting recurring villain... I mean, imagine what he'd make of the TARDIS.

Draygon
September 8th, 2012, 12:28 PM
There were some fun moments, but overall I didn't enjoy this episode. The storyline felt too disjointed and elements just thrown in because they sounded cool. My brother walked out almost just after the titles and I can't say I blame him.

I ddi like the shot a the endof Rory's dad sat with his flask of tea and tin of sandwiches watching earth from the tardis door. Somehow it felt endearing.

Blencathra
September 8th, 2012, 12:32 PM
Didn't like that much at all. Most of it was totally ridiculous redeemed only by Brian and the special effects. I didn't care at all for Riddell or Nefertiti and couldn't see any point in having them in the episode. Why on earth have a big game hunter? Not the type character I think the Doctor would associate with, to be honest. Also I wonder how many little kiddies were left crying at the demise of the poor triceratops. I think this episode is nearly as bad as Fear Her or Love and Monsters.

2/10. I hope Chris Chibnall is never let near Doctor Who again (although I know he's written The Power of Three which I hope is better than this trash.)

Edit - Though I too liked Rory's Dad sitting on the TARDIS floor having a cuppa. :)

Teddybrown
September 8th, 2012, 12:34 PM
Didn't like that much at all. Most of it was totally ridiculous redeemed only by Brian and the special effects. I didn't care at all for Riddell or Nefertiti and couldn't see any point in having them in the episode. Why on earth have a big game hunter? Not the type character I think the Doctor would associated with, to be honest. Also I wonder how many little kiddies were left crying at the demise of the poor triceratops. I think this episode is nearly as bad as Fear Her or Love and Monsters.

2/10. I hope Chris Chibnall is never let near Doctor Who again (although I know he's written The Power of Three which I hope is better than this trash.)

I cant remember where I read it, but someone mentioned that every episode after the seasons opener doesnt do too well...

FennerMachine
September 8th, 2012, 12:58 PM
The robots reminded me of one lot of the aliens from The Fifth Element.
Interesting episode.
Not great. OK. Most classic Who is better. I hope the rest of the series is better.

Flyboy
September 8th, 2012, 01:00 PM
Much better episode than Asylum of the Daleks... though it could be that it's because I hadn't built it up QUITE so much!

Gripe out of the way first, however. Once again - far too rushed to begin with. I do hope this will not be a precedent. I like a little build up! Take a little time to lay the ground work, not manicness from the start, it almost cheapens the later manicness!

Loved seeing Dinosaurs in Who. Actually it wasn't that long ago I was commenting that they were due a return to my (now ex) girlfriend. Obviously this was before the episode reveal...

I think they were pretty damn well presented, and looked pretty good in terms of CGI and what not. The plot was a pretty good one, particularly as it's well within Who canon that Silurians kept dinosaurs habitually, so it made a lot of sense in that regard. Slightly dissapointed not to SEE Silurians bar the brief cameo in the log... but it worked for the story quite well indeed.

Rather liked Amy's brief foray into being the Doctor with her own companions briefly, and I must admit, Queen Neffie and the Game Hunter were great characters. Got a real Jurassic Park vibe from that chap and it was most welcome. Also great to see the sort of mixed bunch that the Doctor hangs around with. Loved it, although (minor gripe) the cut from the realisation that there was a whole flock of raptors to SAUNTERING in and telling the Doctor it was a two man job wasn't executed well, it felt too blaise.

Also, Indian Space Agency!? Nice. However, missiles (in that time period) WITHOUT a self-destruct? Riiiiiiiiiight. Ok.

Overall, very much enjoyed. :)

BruTak
September 8th, 2012, 01:14 PM
I absolutely loved the Doctor's childlike glee - "Dinosaurs! On a spaceship!"

Rory's dad, happily sitting in the doorway of the TARDIS, sipping his cuppa, munching on his sandwich (bacon butty I'll be bound), and watching the Earth slowly turn below him... Lovely. :)

Quizziard
September 8th, 2012, 01:20 PM
However, missiles (in that time period) WITHOUT a self-destruct? Riiiiiiiiiight. Ok.

And only "lock" onto some sort of beacon within the target ship?

I need a second viewing but agree with an earlier comment: the set-up was way too rushed. WHY did the ISA bother the Doctor for an incoming space-craft (that's what they're there for!) and, moreover, why did he then decide from almost no information that he'd "need" Riddell (who, let's face it, has a pretty specific skill-set).

stargatefan234
September 8th, 2012, 01:26 PM
Anyway, back on subject, what a fun episode!
Wasnt as good as the season opener but it was a good fun romp!
Rorys dad was funny, the villain was interesting and equally menacing, nice mix of people and lots of great one liners and banter!
Rorys dad and all his pocket contraptions...

Indeed.


Much better episode than Asylum of the Daleks... though it could be that it's because I hadn't built it up QUITE so much!

I would be tempted to agree, there were its of Asylum I liked better but as and episode I think this one wins... posiible for the same reason as FlyBoy.


I didn't care at all for Riddell or Nefertiti and couldn't see any point in having them in the episode.

I agree they had no really point to be in the episode... but after a while i just went with it and enjoyed the moments.

Sealurk
September 8th, 2012, 02:09 PM
I haven't rewatched it yet, but I definitely found this more enjoyable than Asylum of the Daleks. Admittedly it wasn't the best plotted episode, and more than once I found Riddell and Nefertiti to be out of place, but overall I loved the atmosphere, the one-liners and the totally bonkers-yet-brilliant concept for putting dinosaurs on a spaceship.

I actually didn't dislike Amy in this episode, which surprised me. I found her often funny and even likeable rather than her usual bolshy, pushy attitude, and it's good to see companions grow, develop and learn from their journeys.

I suspect the Doctor's slightly uncharacteristic actions at the end - condemning Solomon to death so readily and so brutally - to be indicative of a means of escape. I certainly hope so - Solomon could make for a superb recurring character with a motivation atypical of Who villains, a very human, chilling and ruthless character who can most definitely be bargained with.

I also wonder if the Doctor associating with such an unlikely character as Riddell has deeper meaning - Riddell's idea of using non-lethal weapons on the dinosaurs suggests the Doctor has had some positive influence on him, and they clearly both share a love of the unknown. Maybe Riddell is River's backup... when the Doctor's heading into particularly perilous or unknown circumstances where violence is likely or the Doctor's "gang" may need some extra protection and River isn't available, Riddell is the next best option as a work-in-progress reformed big game hunter who likes mysteries.

iJOKE
September 8th, 2012, 03:03 PM
This episode wasn't too bad. Though it still didn't match the awesome-ness of the last.
I reckon that because the next few episodes are not directly part of the storyline that they would be weaker.. excluding the fifth episode.
Loved the one liners and the gang itself.. oh and not to forget the pash between the doctor and rory......i was thinking wrong pond doctor!
Overall this episode was over-the-top but clever.

EDIT: I just realised in the last scene with nefrittiti and lestrade (i forgot his characters name in this episode) with her hair down and holding a gun...............she reminds me of donovan from sherlock O__o

Flyboy
September 8th, 2012, 03:20 PM
I reckon that because the next few episodes are not directly part of the storyline that they would be weaker.. excluding the fifth episode.

Umm... there's no such thing as filler eps with Doctor Who. They're ALL part of the storyline, because they ARE the storyline...

Billz
September 8th, 2012, 03:47 PM
Did anyone else notice Solomon's non-direct referencing to rape when he had Neffi on his ship, or was that just me?

When Solomon pinned Nefertiti up against the wall with his crutch and how he said he liked it when his possessions had spirit or something and then he went on to
say about how he liked it because it is more fun to break in to them or whatever.. The way he looked at her and said that line about breaking into her with great pleasure. F**king come on man. You know exactly what he means. And it is nothing even the adults want to hear from a show like DW. F**king rape man.. SERIOUSLY. Made me feel physically sick.

iJOKE
September 8th, 2012, 04:25 PM
this seems appropriate :P

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EDIT: made by yours truly

DigiFluid
September 8th, 2012, 04:50 PM
Didn't like it quite as much as Asylum of the Daleks, but it was still a fun one :)

Some interesting trivia pulled from the TARDIS Wikia:

Rory states that he is 31 years old. If Rory was born in 1989 (considering that Amy and Rory are the same age in Let's Kill Hitler and Amy's birth year according to The Big Bang was 1989, then this story is set in 2020. Therefore, this seems to be the same year that Amy and Rory went back to the hill and waved to themselves in The Hungry Earth.

fumblesmcstupid
September 8th, 2012, 08:10 PM
I thought the same thing about the robots from the fifth element.

Morgania
September 8th, 2012, 10:49 PM
I liked how the Doctor seemed so excited to find dinosaurs on the spaceship. Now I need to watch it again.

Flyboy
September 8th, 2012, 11:40 PM
Did anyone else notice Solomon's non-direct referencing to rape when he had Neffi on his ship, or was that just me?

When Solomon pinned Nefertiti up against the wall with his crutch and how he said he liked it when his possessions had spirit or something and then he went on to
say about how he liked it because it is more fun to break in to them or whatever.. The way he looked at her and said that line about breaking into her with great pleasure. F**king come on man. You know exactly what he means. And it is nothing even the adults want to hear from a show like DW. F**king rape man.. SERIOUSLY. Made me feel physically sick.

Actually - I think it was deservedly dark. And tbh, only those with a mind able to deal with it will see it as rape.

fumblesmcstupid
September 9th, 2012, 12:10 AM
I thought it was funny that The Doctor knew that his name was Brian without being introduced.

Quizziard
September 9th, 2012, 12:12 AM
Actually - I think it was deservedly dark. And tbh, only those with a mind able to deal with it will see it as rape.

And, arguably, the Doctor punished him for his views...

Tyjos
September 9th, 2012, 03:23 AM
Brilliant Episode! The Robots were funny! Though for some reason the oddest bit to come out of this episode is when the Doctor asked Rory's dad if he had anything in his pockets/pants which was one of those eyebrow raised moments.

Rory's dad really is a cool character considering the Doctor just Transported the Tardis around them and he got taken along for the ride, just was an excellent episode.


Robot: "We are very cross with you!"

Matt G
September 9th, 2012, 04:05 AM
OK...

1. Not quite sure why the Doctor would want Neffi and Riddel on board. They'd have been good characters within their own time period but annoying outside of it.

2. And yeah...dinos on a spaceship. One for the kids I think.

3. The Robots...puhleese.

4. Rory's Dad...worth bringing along, if only for him to realise what his kid's been up to...

5. Solomon however stood all like a sore thumb. All that cheese...and then this dodgy geezer. And he was certainly dodgy "break them in..."hmmm...I think there's a non-sexual way of interpreting that but....

Had it's moments(the Trici ride was sort of fun) but a step down from last week for me.

knowles2
September 9th, 2012, 04:33 AM
Riddell introduction could and should have been better, Doctor should have boarded the craft first saw that there were Dinosaurs aboard, especially the Raptors , saw that he needed reinforcements and bought in a game hunter to distract the Dinosaurs why he tried to turn the vessel around. .

Nerfiti should have been bought in after the Doctor relies he needed to distract Soloman and his two lovable dumb robotic goons, who will not be winning any gold medals for there shooting.

An Rory and his dad and Amy should have been bought into the episode when he relies he needed a DNA chain to fly vessel, an someone to help Riddell fight off the Raptors.

It would have made for a much tighter episode an one which made much more sense. An it would have given a reason for everyone to be there, with a job to do.

Soloman was a brilliant character, I only wish they went even darker with him, and we actually saw him spacing the Silurian's, why the doctor is sneaking around the craft . I did not mind the hint that he would rape Nefertiti. or how he killed the dinosaur. He a nasty piece of work and I hope we see him again.

Damn Indians still cutting corners in construction in the 24th century, who build missiles without a self destruct code, in the 20th century let along the 24th.

The crew who does the CGI for Doctor who still cant do space scenes or space ships to save there lives, it not hard or expensive to do descent models and texturing jobs for space vessels , they look worst than the stuff they were doing on Babylon 5 15 years ago.
They completely and utterly failed to show that the Silurian vessel was the size of Canada.

TryWhistlingThis
September 9th, 2012, 04:43 AM
Dinosaurs On A Spaceship

I wasn't optimistic about this episode. Truthfully, I didn't like it too much much there was a little more substance to the story than the title, but that isn't saying a lot. I found that a lot of noise, CGI and the vivacious score playing over the episode stood in the way of what could have been an interesting episode, but overall it got a little cartoonish. To the episode's credit, Matt's more subdued take on his character has (surprisingly) continued. It was especially surprising to see the Doctor leave David's character to die so coldly, it was very 007. I liked that.

David Bradley gave a wonderful performance as a villain though the script could have provided some more menace for David to chew on given how expertly he handled the material provided. Meanwhile, Queen Nefertiti was annoying and plot filler just like the failed, turgid attempts at humour (the golf balls line comes to mind). Then, we have David Mitchell and Robert Webb, arguably two of Britain's finest contemporary comedians read lines that frankly could have been delivered by any actor with a background in voice over work. Their comedic genius was nowhere near utilised. Overall, unremarkable but hasn't left any scars to speak of, ala Love and Monsters.

2.5 out of 5

In the words of Ian Malcolm...

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Coco Pops
September 9th, 2012, 05:43 AM
Oh lordy

http://www.reddit.com/r/doctorwho/comments/zkk40/on_the_controversy_over_the_doctors_actions_in/

Someone felt this episode was controversial........


The bit about the rape was so obvious.... I was actually a little shocked when that line came out. DID NOT EXPECT THAT in Dr Who of all things.

Howcome Neffertiti isn't returned back to her own timeline?

All in all a good episode with fun and a few dark moments too. Amy playing "the Doctor" was cute.

Loved Rory's dad sitting in the TARDIS door watching the Earth while having a cuppa. How bloody cool was that?

DigiFluid
September 9th, 2012, 05:51 AM
Howcome Neffertiti isn't returned back to her own timeline?
Um..time machine. She could spend 10 years with Riddell and the Doctor could take off for 300 years on his own timeline, pop back and pick her up at the end of her 10 years, and drop her off back in ancient Egypt 2 minutes after she left.

knowles2
September 9th, 2012, 06:00 AM
Oh lordy



Howcome Neffertiti isn't returned back to her own timeline?


Neffertiti really does disappear from archaeological records around 1370 BC, so her not returning to her own time line fit in with her disappearing from history in real life.

Coco Pops
September 9th, 2012, 06:03 AM
Neffertiti really does disappear from archaeological records around 1370 BC, so her not returning to her own time line fit in with her disappearing from history in real life.

Spooky.... Maybe there really is a time traveller out there :)

knowles2
September 9th, 2012, 06:24 AM
Spooky.... Maybe there really is a time traveller out there :) or her story just been lost to the annals of time.

Coco Pops
September 9th, 2012, 06:43 AM
or her story just been lost to the annals of time.

I was joking.......

Way to spoil the fun :)

P-90_177
September 9th, 2012, 11:50 AM
Didn't like that much at all. Most of it was totally ridiculous redeemed only by Brian and the special effects. I didn't care at all for Riddell or Nefertiti and couldn't see any point in having them in the episode. Why on earth have a big game hunter? Not the type character I think the Doctor would associate with, to be honest. Also I wonder how many little kiddies were left crying at the demise of the poor triceratops. I think this episode is nearly as bad as Fear Her or Love and Monsters.

2/10. I hope Chris Chibnall is never let near Doctor Who again (although I know he's written The Power of Three which I hope is better than this trash.)

Edit - Though I too liked Rory's Dad sitting on the TARDIS floor having a cuppa. :)

I'll get to my views of the episode in a second, but covering Riddell, I was thought it a little strange that the Doctor would have a friend like him as well, but to be honest it could be that he helped out The Doctor during an adventure and the Doctor kinda owes him one. Or maybe he just likes Riddell for his personality and every now and then goes on random hunting trips, whereby he tries to sabotage as many kills as he can just for a laugh.


Did anyone else notice Solomon's non-direct referencing to rape when he had Neffi on his ship, or was that just me?

When Solomon pinned Nefertiti up against the wall with his crutch and how he said he liked it when his possessions had spirit or something and then he went on to
say about how he liked it because it is more fun to break in to them or whatever.. The way he looked at her and said that line about breaking into her with great pleasure. F**king come on man. You know exactly what he means. And it is nothing even the adults want to hear from a show like DW. F**king rape man.. SERIOUSLY. Made me feel physically sick.

I thought that was marvelous. It was the final nail in the coffin and made you want the Doctor to kill him in the end.


Riddell introduction could and should have been better, Doctor should have boarded the craft first saw that there were Dinosaurs aboard, especially the Raptors , saw that he needed reinforcements and bought in a game hunter to distract the Dinosaurs why he tried to turn the vessel around. .

Nerfiti should have been bought in after the Doctor relies he needed to distract Soloman and his two lovable dumb robotic goons, who will not be winning any gold medals for there shooting.

An Rory and his dad and Amy should have been bought into the episode when he relies he needed a DNA chain to fly vessel, an someone to help Riddell fight off the Raptors.

It would have made for a much tighter episode an one which made much more sense. An it would have given a reason for everyone to be there, with a job to do.

Soloman was a brilliant character, I only wish they went even darker with him, and we actually saw him spacing the Silurian's, why the doctor is sneaking around the craft . I did not mind the hint that he would rape Nefertiti. or how he killed the dinosaur. He a nasty piece of work and I hope we see him again.

Damn Indians still cutting corners in construction in the 24th century, who build missiles without a self destruct code, in the 20th century let along the 24th.

The crew who does the CGI for Doctor who still cant do space scenes or space ships to save there lives, it not hard or expensive to do descent models and texturing jobs for space vessels , they look worst than the stuff they were doing on Babylon 5 15 years ago.
They completely and utterly failed to show that the Silurian vessel was the size of Canada.

I thought the space scenes were fine. They do have limited time and resources to come up with these things you know? It's not like in BSG or Stargate where they create a model and textures to be reused time and time again and improved on over and over again. They have to create new ships and new planets week in week out without the sort of time or money you get in the states.

Anyway....the episode.

Loved it. It was mad and random just like I expected from an episode like that. Neffeteti and Riddell were cool characters and did serve their own purposes. Brian I was less thrilled about to start with but unlike most parents on Doctor Who I actually liked him by about half way through, and Mark Williams played it wonderfully.

Soloman was likewise a fantastic villain. I'm not sure he was really deadly enough to have back again since it was merely by luck of happenstance that he had the upper hand against the Doctor this time round. It was still great to see though that there was a Who villain who was fueled purely by material greed and lust.

All in all, a little rushed but a great bonkers episode.

8/10

BruTak
September 9th, 2012, 11:53 AM
Is the character of Allan Quartermain still in the public domain?

I'm wondering if Riddell was supposed to be him originally, but the producers got cold feet.

Quizziard
September 9th, 2012, 12:34 PM
Did anyone else notice Solomon's non-direct referencing to rape when he had Neffi on his ship, or was that just me?

When Solomon pinned Nefertiti up against the wall with his crutch and how he said he liked it when his possessions had spirit or something and then he went on to
say about how he liked it because it is more fun to break in to them or whatever.. The way he looked at her and said that line about breaking into her with great pleasure. F**king come on man. You know exactly what he means. And it is nothing even the adults want to hear from a show like DW. F**king rape man.. SERIOUSLY. Made me feel physically sick.

As an alternate view, we "break" horses (and potentially other "pet" "wild" animals). A process that doesn't include rape.

Quizziard
September 9th, 2012, 12:47 PM
Damn Indians still cutting corners in construction in the 24th century, who build missiles without a self destruct code, in the 20th century let along the 24th.

And for deciding to only begin shooting when it reached 10,000km from the surface. Okay, that's the edge of the recognised atmosphere (and could, therefore, be classed as the edge of Earth's territorial reach) but seriously? If it takes a further 30 minutes before weapons hit, the incoming craft could be well into dangerous territory for delivering any sort of payload. Even if the missiles hit, a Canada size lump's worth of debris is going to be seriously unpleasant news to the planet, wherever it hits. And that's without any sort of actual fireable weapon system (which seems unlikely to be stopped, given the ineptitude of the ISA's defences).

BruTak
September 9th, 2012, 12:52 PM
If memory serves, India would be a good place to launch a rocket into space. What with it being close to the equator.

Coco Pops
September 9th, 2012, 03:03 PM
Even if the missiles hit, a Canada size lump's worth of debris is going to be seriously unpleasant news to the planet, wherever it hits. And that's without any sort of actual fireable weapon system (which seems unlikely to be stopped, given the ineptitude of the ISA's defences).



I think that was the point to show how inept and dopey the ISA is.

knowles2
September 9th, 2012, 03:40 PM
I think that was the point to show how inept and dopey the ISA is.

Which frankly I am getting bored off, the doctor keep telling us how great humanity is, it about time we get to see that on screen for once. Beyond his companion.

lordofseas
September 9th, 2012, 09:17 PM
Two words and an ampersand. Mitchell & Webb.

That is all.

It was a nice episode. The rape reference didn't offend me much. I mean, he just committed genocide. Why isn't that offensive? :/

cosmichobo
September 9th, 2012, 10:15 PM
I was very impressed with the CGI and model dinosaurs... It's really still a risk I think to go the dino route (for a tv show anyway), and this episode did it splendidly.

Rory's dad... I was just waiting for Lister to burst in saying "Petersen me old mate!"... though he was quite fun. And indeed, the scene with him having a snack was brilliant... a moment that the show (DW, in general) definitely needed. Bit of a reversal of Wilf looking up...

The problem...

TOO MUCH!

Cut the queen and the hunter, and give more time to the dad and the baddie, and the episode would have been all the better for it.

Or, the dad and the queen... or the dad and the hunter... 2 of them had to go.

Or make it a 2 parter, with some more substance... somehow...

From a 5 year old's perspective - 2/10. My son couldn't sit still for any of it.

I'll give it a 4/10. No plans to re-watch it any time soon, though I did enjoy the nastiness of the pirate... hell, was more scary than the Master's first outing.

Cold Fuzz
September 10th, 2012, 03:48 AM
Very enjoyable romp. :D Loved how Brian, Nefi, and Riddell added to the mix. The result is a playful, hyperactive dynamic, especially with poor Brian getting drooled on by the triceratops. :lol:

I'm seeing 2 recurring themes for series 7 so far:


The villains again did not recognize the Doctor. Last week, the Daleks ended up not remembering him at all due to the Pathweb getting wiped, so all memory of the Doctor and everything associated with him (including the TARDIS) is cybernetic oblivion now. Same kind of thing with Solomon and his trader's database: The Doctor doesn't exist. If the Doctor wanted to return to the shadows, as he told Dorium Maldovar in "The Wedding of River Song," then he most definitely succeeded. It's probably a safe bet next week's villains won't know who the Doctor is either. To me, the Doctor seems a more formidable opponent when he's working without his reputation to help him. But how long can he keep this up? It's only a matter of time before the Silence realizes he's still very much alive.


The noticeable distance between the Doctor and his companions: There are now far less frequent visits to Amy & Rory and that really uncomfortable expression on his face at the very end with Amy, Rory, and Brian looking down on Earth brought some great dramatic tension. We're also seeing mixed messages from the companions: Amy doesn't like that the visits have been rarer, but both Amy & Rory didn't want to stay with the Doctor to relocate the dinosaurs and they wanted to go home for a couple of months. All of this after not seeing the Doctor for 2 years between "The Wedding of River Song" and "The Doctor, the Widow, and the Wardrobe."

Flyboy
September 10th, 2012, 03:58 AM
Very enjoyable romp. :D Loved how Brian, Nefi, and Riddell added to the mix. The result is a playful, hyperactive dynamic, especially with poor Brian getting drooled on by the triceratops. :lol:

I'm seeing 2 recurring themes for series 7 so far:


The villains again did not recognize the Doctor. Last week, the Daleks ended up not remembering him at all due to the Pathweb getting wiped, so all memory of the Doctor and everything associated with him (including the TARDIS) is cybernetic oblivion now. Same kind of thing with Solomon and his trader's database: The Doctor doesn't exist. If the Doctor wanted to return to the shadows, as he told Dorium Maldovar in "The Wedding of River Song," then he most definitely succeeded. It's probably a safe bet next week's villains won't know who the Doctor is either. To me, the Doctor seems a more formidable opponent when he's working without his reputation to help him. But how long can he keep this up? It's only a matter of time before the Silence realizes he's still very much alive.


The noticeable distance between the Doctor and his companions: There are now far less frequent visits to Amy & Rory and that really uncomfortable expression on his face at the very end with Amy, Rory, and Brian looking down on Earth brought some great dramatic tension. We're also seeing mixed messages from the companions: Amy doesn't like that the visits have been rarer, but both Amy & Rory didn't want to stay with the Doctor to relocate the dinosaurs and they wanted to go home for a couple of months. All of this after not seeing the Doctor for 2 years between "The Wedding of River Song" and "The Doctor, the Widow, and the Wardrobe."


Your second comment raises a very interesting point... I'm quite anxious to see where this is going. It's been a very long time since we've had a set of companions outgrow the Doctor, shall we say... I hope it's well executed. And if one or both companions do die, I think I will genuinly be emotionally hit.

Flyboy
September 10th, 2012, 03:59 AM
Very enjoyable romp. :D Loved how Brian, Nefi, and Riddell added to the mix. The result is a playful, hyperactive dynamic, especially with poor Brian getting drooled on by the triceratops. :lol:

I'm seeing 2 recurring themes for series 7 so far:


The villains again did not recognize the Doctor. Last week, the Daleks ended up not remembering him at all due to the Pathweb getting wiped, so all memory of the Doctor and everything associated with him (including the TARDIS) is cybernetic oblivion now. Same kind of thing with Solomon and his trader's database: The Doctor doesn't exist. If the Doctor wanted to return to the shadows, as he told Dorium Maldovar in "The Wedding of River Song," then he most definitely succeeded. It's probably a safe bet next week's villains won't know who the Doctor is either. To me, the Doctor seems a more formidable opponent when he's working without his reputation to help him. But how long can he keep this up? It's only a matter of time before the Silence realizes he's still very much alive.


The noticeable distance between the Doctor and his companions: There are now far less frequent visits to Amy & Rory and that really uncomfortable expression on his face at the very end with Amy, Rory, and Brian looking down on Earth brought some great dramatic tension. We're also seeing mixed messages from the companions: Amy doesn't like that the visits have been rarer, but both Amy & Rory didn't want to stay with the Doctor to relocate the dinosaurs and they wanted to go home for a couple of months. All of this after not seeing the Doctor for 2 years between "The Wedding of River Song" and "The Doctor, the Widow, and the Wardrobe."


Your second comment raises a very interesting point... I'm quite anxious to see where this is going. It's been a very long time since we've had a set of companions outgrow the Doctor, shall we say... I hope it's well executed. And if one or both companions do die, I think I will genuinly be emotionally hit.

Blencathra
September 10th, 2012, 04:21 AM
I think it's really interesting the way no-one now knows who he is. I was never very keen on the whole previous God-like premise anyway as I felt it didn't sit well with "classic Who". I much prefer the Doctor being an anonymous hero.

Cold Fuzz
September 10th, 2012, 04:31 AM
Your second comment raises a very interesting point... I'm quite anxious to see where this is going. It's been a very long time since we've had a set of companions outgrow the Doctor, shall we say... I hope it's well executed. And if one or both companions do die, I think I will genuinly be emotionally hit.

It took me 2 viewings to see that Dinosaurs on a Spaceship is deeper than at first glance. The current situation with the companions points back to Sarah Jane, Joan Redfern, and Martha, all of whom refused to travel with the Doctor for various reasons. I think all three women displayed great strength of character for doing that.

Also, Amy's behavior in particular points back to "The God Complex" when the Doctor broke her faith in him in order to save her. I think he wants her to stop waiting for him. This also points to something else even further back: The Dream Lord ominously told the Doctor in "Amy's Choice" that the old man prefers the company of the young. Amy & Rory have grown up and the Doctor sees it.

Cold Fuzz
September 10th, 2012, 04:35 AM
I think it's really interesting the way no-one now knows who he is. I was never very keen on the whole previous God-like premise anyway as I felt it didn't sit well with "classic Who". I much prefer the Doctor being an anonymous hero.

Ultimately I think this new development will give more creative freedom with the Doctor's character and his choices, especially if there's a moral dilemma.

aretood2
September 10th, 2012, 07:08 AM
Actually - I think it was deservedly dark. And tbh, only those with a mind able to deal with it will see it as rape.
I was too distracted by the fact that he committed genocide for the off chance that he can sell series of extinct Earth creatures. But thinking back, I agree with Quizzaird below, breaking someone does not mean rape. interrogators break people all the time without sexual assault. Some people "break" as in they lose it. Honestly, after genocide nothing else that he did really added any shock value for me (including the Triceratops's murder). I mean...it took Hitler awhile to develop hate over several years to decide that genocide was the answer...this guy did it in a heart beat without even having personal feelings about the Sulirians.

I thought that the episode was fun to watch, if not disturbing at some points.

I had learned to ignore things in Dr. Who that don't make sense, so I wasn't bothered by the two extra companions. Rory's dad was a great addition :D Did he end up going with the Doctor on a few trips?

Quizziard
September 10th, 2012, 12:13 PM
I was too distracted by the fact that he committed genocide for the off chance that he can sell series of extinct Earth creatures.

For me, for that reason, he's one of the nastiest villains we've seen in a long time. However, did that give the Doctor the right to become judge, jury and executioner? Does it not drop the Doctor to his level?

fumblesmcstupid
September 10th, 2012, 04:22 PM
My 15 year old daughter & I were watching and Saloman said something like "You won't do this to me" ( killing him) to the doctor. My Daughter and I said at the same time "Yes he would"

The Daleks use to call him "The Predator" for a reason.

Cold Fuzz
September 10th, 2012, 07:38 PM
For me, for that reason, he's one of the nastiest villains we've seen in a long time. However, did that give the Doctor the right to become judge, jury and executioner? Does it not drop the Doctor to his level?

The Doctor is the closest thing Earth has to an interstellar judicial authority like the Shadow Proclamation. The following lines from The Poison Sky pretty much sums up the Doctor's role in Earth's protection:

Colonel Mace: You are not authorized to speak on behalf of the Earth.
The Doctor: Oh, I've got that authority. I earned that a long time ago.

Another example of this would be condemning the Family of Blood to their respective eternal sentences, a fate arguably worse than death.



Does it not drop the Doctor to his level?

No, not at all. The Doctor's decisions in the episode did not even come close to actions like committing genocide against the Silurians, pawning off the dinosaurs or wanting to enslave Nefertiti for base commerce. If Solomon was allowed to live, who knows how many other countless lives would have been lost. Solomon was incredibly unrepentant about everything too. Scragging him was absolutely the right decision. By eliminating Solomon, the Doctor was potentially saving thousands of lives and making sure nobody else has to suffer at his hands.



My 15 year old daughter & I were watching and Saloman said something like "You won't do this to me" ( killing him) to the doctor. My Daughter and I said at the same time "Yes he would"

The Daleks use to call him "The Predator" for a reason.

Yep, he would. If the Doctor was willing to eliminate the Silence en masse in "Day of the Moon" to free humanity from their influence, he'd be willing to scrag a single intergalactic trader guilty of piracy and genocide.

Coco Pops
September 10th, 2012, 09:15 PM
Actually that name "The Predator" seems a bit odd. Wasn't he also called th Krafa fang or something in the Dalek Language?

Sealurk
September 11th, 2012, 12:26 AM
Ka Faraq Gatri, meaning 'the Destroyer of Worlds' to Daleks, though I can't remember if it's in official/canon media or not.

BruTak
September 11th, 2012, 12:41 AM
Who's to say that Solomon's dead? Yes, his ship was destroyed by the missiles, but he could've had an escape pod tucked away somewhere.

aretood2
September 11th, 2012, 05:33 AM
For me, for that reason, he's one of the nastiest villains we've seen in a long time. However, did that give the Doctor the right to become judge, jury and executioner? Does it not drop the Doctor to his level?

There's a lot of things that I have found questionable about the Doctor. He's not a saint. He's a good Timelord, tries his best to do the right thing, but he ends up cornered by his emotions or circumstance and falls short of sainthood. But it's easy to judge him from a TV screen. He has killed before, what's the difference here? He has played god before...

Teddybrown
September 11th, 2012, 06:14 AM
I think Ive worked out why the Doctor bought along Ordel before he knew there were dinosaurs on board.
Maybe when the Earth people did sent the probe up and showed the results to the Doctor, he realised that is was animal DNA or something like that and thought of him because he would be useful against animals, only realising its dinosaurs when he gets onto the ship...

GateFanSamJack
September 13th, 2012, 05:48 PM
Rory's dad, happily sitting in the doorway of the TARDIS, sipping his cuppa, munching on his sandwich (bacon butty I'll be bound), and watching the Earth slowly turn below him... Lovely. :)

Something else cool about that was Amy and Rory having their moment of seeing him seeing it, if they were to ever get jaded that it's special, then the doctor seeing their seeing him see it moment.

aretood2
September 13th, 2012, 05:52 PM
Something else cool about that was Amy and Rory having their moment of seeing him seeing it, if they were to ever get jaded that it's special, then the doctor seeing their seeing him see it moment.

Que?

GateFanSamJack
September 13th, 2012, 07:00 PM
One point of The Doctor having companions is to have someone along who will be awed.

RJLCyberPunk
September 16th, 2012, 11:49 AM
Your second comment raises a very interesting point... I'm quite anxious to see where this is going. It's been a very long time since we've had a set of companions outgrow the Doctor, shall we say... I hope it's well executed. And if one or both companions do die, I think I will genuinly be emotionally hit.

When was the last time a companion has died? The Dr somehow manages to save them all in the most ingenious ways possible. Anyway am I the only one who felt bad when the young triceratops was killed by Solomon and his robot minions? i think that combined with the genocide he commited with the Silurians led the Doctor to send Solomon to his righteous fiery end.

BruTak
September 16th, 2012, 03:27 PM
When was the last time a companion has died?

Adric, I would think. "Earthshock" from way back in 1982.

Flyboy
September 16th, 2012, 03:50 PM
Adric, I would think. "Earthshock" from way back in 1982.

Bingo.

Don't get me wrong, if a Pond DOES die, it'll be great writing. But it'll generate an emotional response. Where as I was baying for Rose's blood in Doomsday...

aretood2
September 16th, 2012, 06:43 PM
Bingo.

Don't get me wrong, if a Pond DOES die, it'll be great writing. But it'll generate an emotional response. Where as I was baying for Rose's blood in Doomsday...
She just kept coming back no matter what happened. Reminds me of an old Canadian song about a cat that kept returning despite the many creative attempts of the owner to get rid of it.

BruTak
September 17th, 2012, 12:56 AM
She just kept coming back no matter what happened. Reminds me of an old Canadian song about a cat that kept returning despite the many creative attempts of the owner to get rid of it.
"The Cat Came Back". :)

mr_kennedy
September 18th, 2012, 09:09 PM
I ended up liking this episode alot more than i thought i would :)

GodAtum
September 19th, 2012, 05:32 AM
Did Solomon scan the tardis?

Quizziard
September 19th, 2012, 10:54 AM
Did Solomon scan the tardis?

I assumed (perhaps because it was the ambiguous intention) that when he prepared to announce finding something of value suddenly on the ship, that it was either the TARDIS or a Time Lord. Is a chameleon-circuited TARDIS detectable by all species?

Tristen1
June 27th, 2013, 12:06 PM
Very late in the day to comment, but I absolutely loved this episode. It was such a romp from start to finish.

I always cry when I watch Brian eating his sarnies and drinking tea looking down on Earth.

Wonderful wonderful episode.

Brother Freyr
June 27th, 2013, 01:35 PM
I re-watched 702 this month and said to myself, "O my god, it's Walder Frey on a spaceship." Solomon and Walder Frey even dress and behave alike.

maneth
July 2nd, 2013, 08:35 PM
Interesting episode, and for once the Doctor let his vindictiveness show. Solomon deserved what he got.

Coco Pops
July 2nd, 2013, 09:23 PM
Yeah I have a bit of a soft spot for this episode.

Watching season 5 again and I'm really underwhelmed by a lot of the episodes. Only a few of them I like.