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A small-town crook steals a container of artifacts and sells them to a pawn shop -- except for the tornado-generating pipe he keeps for himself -- sending the team on a scavenger hunt.

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MIZA
August 7th, 2012, 12:22 AM
Great episode I like it a lot , but I am worried about jinks and Claudia :S

Skydiver
August 7th, 2012, 03:57 AM
Glad to see that things are coming to a head sooner rather than later.
What pressure for Jinks.....hurt himself and claudia feels it? what happens if he dies? does she die too?

a) so much for privacy (i'm not into fic but I can imagine the smut fic that little revelation can spawn)
b) he so much as skins his knee she gets the pain, and he cares for her enough that i'm sure the thought of hurting her is horrible to him.

but from the looks of the promo, there will be some steps taken with a major plot thread so it won't drag out all season.

jelgate
August 7th, 2012, 09:32 AM
Glad to see that things are coming to a head sooner rather than later.
What pressure for Jinks.....hurt himself and claudia feels it? what happens if he dies? does she die too?

a) so much for privacy (i'm not into fic but I can imagine the smut fic that little revelation can spawn)
b) he so much as skins his knee she gets the pain, and he cares for her enough that i'm sure the thought of hurting her is horrible to him.

but from the looks of the promo, there will be some steps taken with a major plot thread so it won't drag out all season.

Jinks can't die. That is the whole point of the Metronome. Like how Marcus last season could not die from events that should have killed most people

tomstone
August 7th, 2012, 09:57 AM
Jinks can't die. That is the whole point of the Metronome. Like how Marcus last season could not die from events that should have killed most people

Jinks can die quite easily. I dont know who Marcus was connected to, but Claudia recieves Jinkses wounds and vice versa. So in the end if Jinks gets shot, Claudia takes the hit and dies. When she is Dead there is nothing for the Metronome to draw from, ergo Jinks dies as well. The other way around though I guess Jinks could be kind of her shield. She cant get wounded and he cant die again while she lives.

Thinking it through this way. Maybe Marcus was not Dead to begin with. He could have been the one that revived somebody and stopping the Metronome killed both. Explaining why he could take so much damage, while Jinks and Claudia recieve each others wounds.

Gate Ranger
August 7th, 2012, 10:38 AM
I liked this one, can't wait for the next one. :)

So Claudia feels Jink's pain, interesting, I wonder if that is the downside of the artifact. But if that is the way it works then I can only imagine what the guy who revived Marcus was feeling when Pete threw him off the building, ouch :P

MIZA
August 7th, 2012, 02:00 PM
well it can't drag on too long, I read that Aaron Ashmore is now a main cast member !

Livestick
August 7th, 2012, 02:04 PM
well it can't drag on too long, I read that Aaron Ashmore is now a main cast member !

That just means they can drag it out as long as they like.

jelgate
August 7th, 2012, 03:01 PM
Jinks can die quite easily. I dont know who Marcus was connected to, but Claudia recieves Jinkses wounds and vice versa. So in the end if Jinks gets shot, Claudia takes the hit and dies. When she is Dead there is nothing for the Metronome to draw from, ergo Jinks dies as well. The other way around though I guess Jinks could be kind of her shield. She cant get wounded and he cant die again while she lives.

Thinking it through this way. Maybe Marcus was not Dead to begin with. He could have been the one that revived somebody and stopping the Metronome killed both. Explaining why he could take so much damage, while Jinks and Claudia recieve each others wounds.

I didn't consider Claudia so I'll give you points that if she dies that Jinks probably dies. Marcus was connected to Sykes. We know from this episode and last year's season finale it was him who connected Marcus to the Metronome. Only 3 people by the season finale knew about the artifacts. And being the villian he wouldn't want anyone to have the power of someone else controlling Marcus' life. So I'll say now with the exception of killing Claudia or stopping the Metronome, Jinks can't die. Although Claudia's role is random speculation at this moment.

Marcus was dead to begin with according to Mrs. Fredricks.

jelgate
August 7th, 2012, 03:04 PM
well it can't drag on too long, I read that Aaron Ashmore is now a main cast member !
That is just a reassurance that the writers can keep him until the season is over. A main character has to put priority to his project (ie Warehouse 13). A recurring character can pick and choose what projects he takes. For example last season Ashmore could have said no to episode 5 of S3 for example but now in S4 he gets no say and has to be in all the episodes the writer wants. Its a way to make sure your character get into the episodes. It also comes with a bigger paycheck.

MIZA
August 7th, 2012, 03:37 PM
That is just a reassurance that the writers can keep him until the season is over. A main character has to put priority to his project (ie Warehouse 13). A recurring character can pick and choose what projects he takes. For example last season Ashmore could have said no to episode 5 of S3 for example but now in S4 he gets no say and has to be in all the episodes the writer wants. Its a way to make sure your character get into the episodes. It also comes with a bigger paycheck.

Oh okay, so it is a good thing ?? well I like Jink they need to keep him on longer

Skydiver
August 7th, 2012, 05:19 PM
Actually, if you're a regular, it's contracted 'so and so is in X number of episodes' and they have to be in that number...and if they're not, depending on how it's written, they either get paid as if they were, or the producers can pay a penalty for breaking the terms of the contract.

also, if he's a regular, then WH13 has dibs on his time....they have first call and if he wants another gig, he has to get their permission to do something else. Basically, they 'own' him for the period of the season.

More secure, but more restrictive.

mandogater
August 7th, 2012, 05:36 PM
So Claudia feels Steve's pain. This could be interesting. IF he sees her as another sister, like I think, that will start eating him alive.

It was nice to see Leena get to snag and bag with them. I'm just a little curious to see the effects of all that anger Artie is holding in.

Not sure how everybody else feels about this but since H.G. is alive I'd like a line stating where she's been. Do the Regents have her under lock and key someplace? Did she go to London to pick up some of her old things and get distracted by the Olympics? Just something.

MIZA
August 7th, 2012, 05:47 PM
did anyone get the joke or thing that Artie said about a black woman and Jewish man ? I was like what , thats before my time!?

jelgate
August 7th, 2012, 06:21 PM
did anyone get the joke or thing that Artie said about a black woman and Jewish man ? I was like what , thats before my time!?

Its a joke about racism. Country clubs tend to be restrictive who they let in. They tend to have a preference for white Christian men. I should point out this a sterotype.

NumberSix
August 8th, 2012, 12:28 PM
That just means they can drag it out as long as they like.

That's what I think too.


So Claudia feels Steve's pain. This could be interesting. IF he sees her as another sister, like I think, that will start eating him alive.

It was nice to see Leena get to snag and bag with them. I'm just a little curious to see the effects of all that anger Artie is holding in.

Not sure how everybody else feels about this but since H.G. is alive I'd like a line stating where she's been. Do the Regents have her under lock and key someplace? Did she go to London to pick up some of her old things and get distracted by the Olympics? Just something.

Yes, nice to let Leena do something different, and now she knows something is going on with Artie.

I hope H.G. will show up again soon

I'm really curious what the scene of Claudia with the dagger will mean. Does she actually try to kill Artie for some reason? I just don't see her doing that unless she comes under the influence of an artifact herself. Or is she trying to destroy the evil that he brings on himself?

mandogater
August 8th, 2012, 05:10 PM
Its a joke about racism. Country clubs tend to be restrictive who they let in. They tend to have a preference for white Christian men. I should point out this a sterotype.

I remember something about that being mentioned in an early episode of M*A*S*H only the contry club didn't allow Catholics.

mandogater
August 8th, 2012, 05:13 PM
Yes, nice to let Leena do something different, and now she knows something is going on with Artie.

I hope H.G. will show up again soon

I'm really curious what the scene of Claudia with the dagger will mean. Does she actually try to kill Artie for some reason? I just don't see her doing that unless she comes under the influence of an artifact herself. Or is she trying to destroy the evil that he brings on himself?

Makes me wonder if Leena will see something in Artie's aura (not sure if that's spelled right) and start pressing him about it.

H.G. seems to have fallen through a plot hole. I hope she's okay. :lol:

This dagger has me very interested. I hope we find out about it soon.

jelgate
August 8th, 2012, 06:49 PM
I remember something about that being mentioned in an early episode of M*A*S*H only the contry club didn't allow Catholics.

I can believe that. The US community was always more welcoming to to Protestants than Catholics

WingedPegasus
August 8th, 2012, 08:36 PM
Jinks can die quite easily. I dont know who Marcus was connected to, but Claudia recieves Jinkses wounds and vice versa. So in the end if Jinks gets shot, Claudia takes the hit and dies. When she is Dead there is nothing for the Metronome to draw from, ergo Jinks dies as well. The other way around though I guess Jinks could be kind of her shield. She cant get wounded and he cant die again while she lives.

Thinking it through this way. Maybe Marcus was not Dead to begin with. He could have been the one that revived somebody and stopping the Metronome killed both. Explaining why he could take so much damage, while Jinks and Claudia recieve each others wounds.

I don't think Claudia is physically damaged by Jinks' wounds--she just feels the pain from them. So, for instance, if Jinks is shot, Claudia would feel the pain but wouldn't be in any mortal danger.

This brings up an interesting thought....I don't know if there's any recorded instance of a healthy person dying from pain alone, but that might be an incredibly nasty and roundabout way to kill Jinks. He can't die from torture, but I wonder if the pain from prolonged torture that would have killed a normal mortal person could cause Claudia to die from cardiac stress....

But that would be really dark and take out a couple main characters, so I really don't see that happening on the show. Fortunately.


Although now that I think about it, I'm wondering if Jinks actually feels pain anymore. He didn't seem to notice the bird peck on his neck until he saw blood on his hand, and he hardly flinched when he poked his finger with a pin. Unless he's just being a tough guy. :P

MIZA
August 9th, 2012, 01:32 AM
I don't think Claudia is physically damaged by Jinks' wounds--she just feels the pain from them. So, for instance, if Jinks is shot, Claudia would feel the pain but wouldn't be in any mortal danger.

This brings up an interesting thought....I don't know if there's any recorded instance of a healthy person dying from pain alone, but that might be an incredibly nasty and roundabout way to kill Jinks. He can't die from torture, but I wonder if the pain from prolonged torture that would have killed a normal mortal person could cause Claudia to die from cardiac stress....

But that would be really dark and take out a couple main characters, so I really don't see that happening on the show. Fortunately.


Although now that I think about it, I'm wondering if Jinks actually feels pain anymore. He didn't seem to notice the bird peck on his neck until he saw blood on his hand, and he hardly flinched when he poked his finger with a pin. Unless he's just being a tough guy. :P


Good question about jinks ?

Hey what exactly did the birdcage do ?

Skydiver
August 9th, 2012, 03:36 AM
A lot of country clubs excluded anyone they wanted to exclude. And in the Pre-Kennedy days, many protestants saw Catholics as 'bad' in some ways.

as to dying from pain, you can. The stress can put you into cardiac arrest because when you are in pain your blood pressure goes up, so does your heart rate, and your body can only take so much.

do i see the show going there? nah.

Livestick
August 9th, 2012, 07:54 AM
Good question about jinks ?

Hey what exactly did the birdcage do ?
Well, they didn't actually say, but it looked like it made birds attack whoever was holding it.

WingedPegasus
August 9th, 2012, 10:38 AM
Well, they didn't actually say, but it looked like it made birds attack whoever was holding it.

Makes me want to watch "The Birds" again. :p

Livestick
August 9th, 2012, 11:33 AM
Makes me want to watch "The Birds" again. :p

....I don't get it.

Of course, it doesn't help that I've never seen The Birds. :P

WingedPegasus
August 9th, 2012, 12:13 PM
....I don't get it.

Of course, it doesn't help that I've never seen The Birds. :P

All you need to know is "killer birds." :P

mandogater
August 9th, 2012, 05:34 PM
I can believe that. The US community was always more welcoming to to Protestants than Catholics

I always find things like that somewhat funny. We're founded on the principle of religious freedom but it later becomes only if we like your religion.

jelgate
August 9th, 2012, 07:03 PM
I always find things like that somewhat funny. We're founded on the principle of religious freedom but it later becomes only if we like your religion.

History is full of contradiction be it US history, European history, or Asian history

DemosCat
August 10th, 2012, 09:26 AM
Here's my own take on the metronome / Steve / Claudia link.

1) Like Caprica-guy before him (can't think of his name), Steve will only die if the metronome stops. (Does someone have to wind up / change the batteries in the metronome once in a while?)

2) Claudia is linked to Steve because she brought him back to life. While this impacts her, it has no impact on Steve as long as the metronome keeps ticking.

Therefore, if Steve receives what would normally be a mortal wound, like being shot in the head or heart, Claudia is going get all the massive trauma. The shock could potentially kill her. Even if Claudia dies, I don't see this effecting Steve, other than he's no longer tied to Claudia. Steve will simply go on forever, until the metronome stops.

tomstone
August 10th, 2012, 01:13 PM
Here's my own take on the metronome / Steve / Claudia link.

1) Like Caprica-guy before him (can't think of his name), Steve will only die if the metronome stops. (Does someone have to wind up / change the batteries in the metronome once in a while?)

2) Claudia is linked to Steve because she brought him back to life. While this impacts her, it has no impact on Steve as long as the metronome keeps ticking.

Therefore, if Steve receives what would normally be a mortal wound, like being shot in the head or heart, Claudia is going get all the massive trauma. The shock could potentially kill her. Even if Claudia dies, I don't see this effecting Steve, other than he's no longer tied to Claudia. Steve will simply go on forever, until the metronome stops.

We kind of have to think in the way of magic here. The Metronome cant possibly be so powerful as to keep someone alive on its own. Proof for that is that the summoner and the resurrected are connected. If that connection is broken thats it. I ask myself though why Marcus brought the Metronome to the Inn in the first place. Was there a actual scene where Sykes admitted to have revived him?

DemosCat
August 10th, 2012, 02:43 PM
We kind of have to think in the way of magic here. The Metronome cant possibly be so powerful as to keep someone alive on its own. Proof for that is that the summoner and the resurrected are connected. If that connection is broken thats it. I ask myself though why Marcus brought the Metronome to the Inn in the first place. Was there a actual scene where Sykes admitted to have revived him?

I don't recall if there's any indication who revived Marcus. It *might* have been Sykes, or someone in his employ. No way to know if Marcus' summoner is alive or dead. Given the damage Marcus is seen to survive - being shot, falling off a building, etc. - I have to assume his summoner is either dead or clinically insane from all the shock.

Why would Sykes bring the metronome with him? On the face of it, that seems to be a pretty stupid thing to do. Here are some ideas that come to mind:

1) There is a distance relationship. The metronome works better when closer at hand. Or conversely, the further away it is, the more "run down" Marcus is, moving sluggishly, loss of coordination....

2) Sykes is paranoid about keeping Marcus under control. After all, you could have a scenario like this:
Marcus: I'm concerned about the metronome falling into the wrong hands.
Sykes: Don't you worry. I have it locked in a climate-controlled vault. It would take a nuke to get to it, and only I have the code to open the vault.
Marcus: Thanks, that's all I needed to hear. [Pulls out gun and shoots Sykes.]

Personally, I like #2 better. Any other reasons?

tomstone
August 10th, 2012, 03:36 PM
I don't recall if there's any indication who revived Marcus. It *might* have been Sykes, or someone in his employ. No way to know if Marcus' summoner is alive or dead. Given the damage Marcus is seen to survive - being shot, falling off a building, etc. - I have to assume his summoner is either dead or clinically insane from all the shock.

Why would Sykes bring the metronome with him? On the face of it, that seems to be a pretty stupid thing to do. Here are some ideas that come to mind:

1) There is a distance relationship. The metronome works better when closer at hand. Or conversely, the further away it is, the more "run down" Marcus is, moving sluggishly, loss of coordination....

2) Sykes is paranoid about keeping Marcus under control. After all, you could have a scenario like this:
Marcus: I'm concerned about the metronome falling into the wrong hands.
Sykes: Don't you worry. I have it locked in a climate-controlled vault. It would take a nuke to get to it, and only I have the code to open the vault.
Marcus: Thanks, that's all I needed to hear. [Pulls out gun and shoots Sykes.]

Personally, I like #2 better. Any other reasons?

Only thing I can think of is a Trojan Horse scenario. Sykes wanted the Warehouse Agents to get their Hands on it. Its abilities now dont seem to be anything special, but he probably knew more about it then we do at the moment. Maybe once revived People keep getting revived whenever the Metronome starts ticking again.

DemosCat
August 10th, 2012, 03:46 PM
Only thing I can think of is a Trojan Horse scenario. Sykes wanted the Warehouse Agents to get their Hands on it. Its abilities now dont seem to be anything special, but he probably knew more about it then we do at the moment. Maybe once revived People keep getting revived whenever the Metronome starts ticking again.

Marcus [walks into Warehouse 13 with a big gun]: I'm baaaaaack!

mandogater
August 10th, 2012, 08:32 PM
History is full of contradiction be it US history, European history, or Asian history

Sad but true.

the fifth man
August 11th, 2012, 07:36 PM
Really good episode. The Claudia/Jinks connection really has me intrigued. It will be interesting to see where that leads.

LtColCarter
August 13th, 2012, 07:45 AM
Really good episode. The Claudia/Jinks connection really has me intrigued. It will be interesting to see where that leads.

:indeed: I'm looking forward to tonight's episode! :D

DSG1
August 27th, 2012, 08:16 PM
Who did Artie call? :/

DemosCat
August 27th, 2012, 08:42 PM
Who did Artie call? :/

Ghost Busters?

stargatefan234
October 5th, 2012, 12:36 PM
I don't think Claudia is physically damaged by Jinks' wounds--she just feels the pain from them. So, for instance, if Jinks is shot, Claudia would feel the pain but wouldn't be in any mortal danger.

she didnt have a scratch on her from the bird peck


Makes me want to watch "The Birds" again. :p

or Birdemic (somewhat similar plot, way less of a budget) :p