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May 21st, 2012, 01:28 AM
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<DIV STYLE="margin-top:10px; padding:0;">Stannis' fleet lays siege to King's Landing, despite the guarantee of huge losses on both sides. Tyrion attempts to keep the king at the head of his army while orchestrating the defense of the city, and Cersei torments Sansa with the dire reality that may soon befall them all.</DIV>
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Shylodog
May 27th, 2012, 10:06 PM
Fairly epic battle scenes. Was that Stannis that breached the wall and was captured? Was fairly dark, so I wasn't entirely sure. Poor Tyrion. My wife was freaking out thinking he's dead. He's her favorite character in the series.

Cold Fuzz
May 27th, 2012, 10:07 PM
Brilliant episode! Fire and Blood was my favorite episode for season 1. Blackwater will likely be my favorite episode of season 2. Even I knew what was coming through the books, the episode didn't disappoint me at all.

The ominous opening, with Stannis' fleet veiled in the marine layer, was magnificent, as was Davos' order to beat the war drums. I loved his line, "Lord Varys knows what you had for breakfast three days ago. There are no surprises." :D

The Wildfire explosion... my goodness that was spectacular. :eek: Definitely sent chills down my spine. I can't help but wonder though. If Melisandre had been there, would she have been able to some how use the Wildfire to her advantage, being a fire priestess?

I once read George R.R. Martin describe Tyrion as a "sympathetic villain." Though I really wanted Stannis to overrun King's Landing, I couldn't help but cheer for Tyrion too. It's one of the very rare cases where I genuinely liked people on both sides of a battle.

A drunk Cersei... ah, a preview of things to come. ;) :lol: I loved her speech about Tywin's attitude towards the Gods.

I have to hand it to Stannis. He's a true fighter, and as fierce as they come. It was great to see him in combat. He's definitely not like Joffrey or others who are pretty much cowards who are used to having other people doing their fighting for them. He's as ferocious in the episode as I had pictured in my mind. He definitely lives by his family's motto of "Ours is the Fury." Fury also happens to be the name of Stannis' flagship. I was unsure about Stephen Dillane's performance at the beginning of the season but he's grown on me.

The fighting was bloody and intense, which was what we sorely needed as we didn't see the Battle of the Green Fork last season.

I loved the soundtrack. I greatly look forward to the season 2 soundtrack release on June 19! :D


Fairly epic battle scenes. Was that Stannis that breached the wall and was captured? Was fairly dark, so I wasn't entirely sure. Poor Tyrion. My wife was freaking out thinking he's dead. He's her favorite character in the series.

That was Stannis' own men pulling him away so he could retreat with the rest of the troops.

Shylodog
May 27th, 2012, 10:20 PM
That was Stannis' own men pulling him away so he could retreat with the rest of the troops.

Ah, good. I was wondering if I had forgotten something, or they were making a HUGE deviation from the books.

Phinguyver
May 27th, 2012, 11:30 PM
I really hope Tyrion pulls through, but it doesnt look like it though. I was hoping to see Joffrey try to pull 'hearteater' on someone.

This may have been the best episode so far.

Gen. Chris
May 28th, 2012, 12:17 AM
Well...That was disappointing. I was hoping to see Joffrey's head on a spear. I guess that was asking too much.

Hope Tyrion isn't dead. That fracking Kingsguard...What was up with that?

And I definitely didn't see Loras forming an alliance with Tywin. That was quite unexpected.

g.o.d
May 28th, 2012, 01:08 AM
I was expecting non-book readers will be shocked :D

Cold Fuzz
May 28th, 2012, 01:11 AM
Well...That was disappointing. I was hoping to see Joffrey's head on a spear. I guess that was asking too much.

I knew coming into the episode that Joffrey would survive. Joffrey's ultimate fate is more... satisfying in a way, I feel, than Stannis and his troops taking the city and mounting his head on a spike. If Stannis had taken King's Landing though, books 3-5 in the series would be vastly different.


Hope Tyrion isn't dead. That fracking Kingsguard...What was up with that?

And I definitely didn't see Loras forming an alliance with Tywin. That was quite unexpected.

I believe the Kingsguard in question was Ser Mandon. Here's the sequence of events from Mandon's perspective:


Mandon meets with Cersei about the thieves stealing some food and a horse to escape the city.
Cersei orders Mandon to put their heads on spikes as an example to others.
Mandon is on the battlements with Tyrion & company. Joffrey returns to the Red Keep, order Mandon and Boros to represent the King on the field.
Mandon tries to kill Tyrion on the battlefield.



The reason Mandon tried to kill Tyrion can be inferred from this sequence of events. ;)

As for the Lannister/Tyrell alliance, this was alluded to with Littlefinger's meeting with Tywin at Harrenhal. Suggesting such an alliance had its origins with Renly's death, especially with how Loras wanted to put a sword through Stannis.

Ukko
May 28th, 2012, 02:39 AM
F****** yeah! :D Epic explosion, epic Tyrion in battle, epic epicness.

Twas awesome. I am assuming Sansa actually left with the hound? Didnt expect him to be afraid of fire, but its understandable.

I liked it when they all started cheering Tyrion. And also the drunk Cersei. Hope the onion knight is still alive.

This perfectly coherent post was brought to you by Ukko.

Skydiver
May 28th, 2012, 04:14 AM
Hound's fear of fire is a plot point. Hard for MR BadAss to deal wtih running like a baby.

Melisandre being there would have been interesting....would she have really been able to control anything? Or would she have been revealed a fraud?

and yeah, love the irony of Mr. 'the red god will help me' falling to fire.

Next week's will be interesting. It'll be intriguing to see how far they get with the plot.

The Mighty 6 platoon
May 28th, 2012, 07:31 AM
Well that was epic and awesome, and awesome and epic. :P And while those words are overused I think this episode genuinely qualifies. It was an incredible episodes, in terms of scale, of acting and simply jaw dropping moments.

The wildfire explosion, Tywin's cavalry charge, Tyrion's speech at the gate, these were genuinely jaw dropping moments. On the bad side of things, I think this has ruined any other tv shows attempts to do battle scenes. The Borgias had quite a good battle last week, yet compared to this it actually looks rather cheap. The scale outdid many films.

Any the non action parts, especially Cersei and her drunken rants were excellent, Lena Headly gave a brilliant performance.

And so many quotable lines. **** the kingsguard, **** the city, **** the king! But I think my favourite line has to be The Hounds little pre battle speech to his men, "any man dies with a clean sword I'll rape his ****ing corpse." I think that shall be my new motto. :D

Morbo
May 28th, 2012, 07:34 AM
yeah that explosion was badass

wish they had used the chain too, but this sufficed just as well

Gen. Chris
May 28th, 2012, 08:37 AM
I knew coming into the episode that Joffrey would survive. Joffrey's ultimate fate is more... satisfying in a way, I feel, than Stannis and his troops taking the city and mounting his head on a spike. If Stannis had taken King's Landing though, books 3-5 in the series would be vastly different.



I believe the Kingsguard in question was Ser Mandon. Here's the sequence of events from Mandon's perspective:


Mandon meets with Cersei about the thieves stealing some food and a horse to escape the city.
Cersei orders Mandon to put their heads on spikes as an example to others.
Mandon is on the battlements with Tyrion & company. Joffrey returns to the Red Keep, order Mandon and Boros to represent the King on the field.
Mandon tries to kill Tyrion on the battlefield.



The reason Mandon tried to kill Tyrion can be inferred from this sequence of events. ;)

As for the Lannister/Tyrell alliance, this was alluded to with Littlefinger's meeting with Tywin at Harrenhal. Suggesting such an alliance had its origins with Renly's death, especially with how Loras wanted to put a sword through Stannis.

I still forgot about the Littlefinger/Tywin exchange...Ah well, made for a nice little surprise.

My favorite part had to be Sandor refusing to fight anymore. The look on Joffrey's face was priceless. Makes me wonder if that had a hand in Joffrey leaving the battle.

And jeez, Tyrion would make a better freaking king than Joffrey. What a little coward.

I have to say as well, the battle was QUITE bloody.

g.o.d
May 28th, 2012, 08:44 AM
Joffrey is simply a coward. He would have left anyway

Skydiver
May 28th, 2012, 09:00 AM
yeah, JOff is a coward that hides behind being a bully

Ukko
May 28th, 2012, 09:10 AM
I so wanted Joffrey to die. Poetic justice, stabbed through the heart with heart eater. But sadly he lives.

g.o.d
May 28th, 2012, 09:40 AM
be patient :) or read books

VampyreWraith
May 28th, 2012, 10:03 AM
I loved this episode. The battle scenes looked amazing, Tyrion was great, so was The Hound.
I loved all of Sansa's and Cersei's scenes. I think both actresses did a great job with their characters.
I've also been really liking Shae this season, I couldn't stand how the actress played her last season, but this season she's been really good (imo).

Skydiver
May 28th, 2012, 11:32 AM
I think we should keep a handle on the hints please. Let those that dont' know the story find it out as it unfolds.

Gen. Chris
May 28th, 2012, 11:42 AM
I think we should keep a handle on the hints please. Let those that dont' know the story find it out as it unfolds.

This^

The littlest things you guys say give things away.

The Mighty 6 platoon
May 28th, 2012, 03:46 PM
This^

The littlest things you guys say give things away.

On that note I would suggest that you stay away from anything about the Rains of Castamere, the Lannister song, sung by Bronn and the other soldiers at the start of the ep and played over the credits. While it's a great song, it is intertwined with some of the biggest events in the series, if you look it up you will get major spoilers.

Gen. Chris
May 28th, 2012, 04:20 PM
On that note I would suggest that you stay away from anything about the Rains of Castamere, the Lannister song, sung by Bronn and the other soldiers at the start of the ep and played over the credits. While it's a great song, it is intertwined with some of the biggest events in the series, if you look it up you will get major spoilers.

I could barely understand any of the song and had no desire to look up the song...

...Until now, that is...

Curse you :P

magictrick
May 29th, 2012, 07:07 AM
The battle was exactly as I expected - purely epic. The wildfire scene especially was impressive.

Who stole the show for me though was Lena Headey. In an episode who's main focus was the battle, she delivered some awesome scenes as a semi-drunk Cersei.

Ukko
May 29th, 2012, 09:07 AM
Oooh, click me. (http://i574.photobucket.com/albums/ss184/Folksky/wildfire.jpg) :D

And again. (http://i574.photobucket.com/albums/ss184/Folksky/wildfire2.jpg) :cool:

The Mighty 6 platoon
May 29th, 2012, 10:54 AM
Oooh, click me. (http://i574.photobucket.com/albums/ss184/Folksky/wildfire.jpg) :D

And again. (http://i574.photobucket.com/albums/ss184/Folksky/wildfire2.jpg) :cool:

And I think we have a contender for explosion of the year here. :P

g.o.d
May 29th, 2012, 11:54 AM
Who stole the show for me though was Lena Headey. In an episode who's main focus was the battle, she delivered some awesome scenes as a semi-drunk Cersei.

I would like to mention one actor who have been simply amazing. Jack Gleeson has been delivering amazing performance. It's a shame he's not amongs emmy nominees

Gen. Chris
May 29th, 2012, 02:12 PM
I would like to mention one actor who have been simply amazing. Jack Gleeson has been delivering amazing performance. It's a shame he's not amongs emmy nominees

Indeed. I can't quite remember an actor that has made me hate a character more :P

Cold Fuzz
May 29th, 2012, 07:30 PM
Hound's fear of fire is a plot point. Hard for MR BadAss to deal wtih running like a baby.

Melisandre being there would have been interesting....would she have really been able to control anything? Or would she have been revealed a fraud?

and yeah, love the irony of Mr. 'the red god will help me' falling to fire.

Next week's will be interesting. It'll be intriguing to see how far they get with the plot.

I've wondered how much pyromancy knowledge Melisandre really has. If her power over fire is what she claims it is, she would've been able to manipulate the Wildfire--but only after it was ignited. Even then, would she have been able to survive the Wildfire herself? She may be a priestess from Asshai but she's no Targaryen. The other R'hllor followers in the books claim to great power over fire but I do have to wonder how much of that is proselytizing nonsense and how much of it is truth.

Strangely, Melisandre's powers much are stronger at the Wall, one of the few places I expected her to be at her weakest. Talk about irony.

Speaking of proselytizing, I think Matthos had absolutely zero understanding of how R'hllor really works. Jaqen would have died in fire if it weren't for Arya's intervention. Later on, Jaqen tells her that the Red God demands three deaths in place of the lives she saved. I think that's the real Red God's principles there.

With so many deaths through Wildfire, Melisandre maybe would've tried to console Stannis by telling them that there's no purer death than death through fire. :P


Oooh, click me. (http://i574.photobucket.com/albums/ss184/Folksky/wildfire.jpg) :D

And again. (http://i574.photobucket.com/albums/ss184/Folksky/wildfire2.jpg) :cool:

Brilliant stills. :D


And I think we have a contender for explosion of the year here. :P

Yepper. Someone who watched the episode with me claimed that the entire episode, particularly the explosion, was cinematic quality. I daresay that virtually the entire series has been movie-quality performances and cinematography.

Gen. Chris
May 29th, 2012, 09:20 PM
I've wondered how much pyromancy knowledge Melisandre really has. If her power over fire is what she claims it is, she would've been able to manipulate the Wildfire--but only after it was ignited. Even then, would she have been able to survive the Wildfire herself? She may be a priestess from Asshai but she's no Targaryen. The other R'hllor followers in the books claim to great power over fire but I do have to wonder how much of that is proselytizing nonsense and how much of it is truth.

Strangely, Melisandre's powers much are stronger at the Wall, one of the few places I expected her to be at her weakest. Talk about irony.

Speaking of proselytizing, I think Matthos had absolutely zero understanding of how R'hllor really works. Jaqen would have died in fire if it weren't for Arya's intervention. Later on, Jaqen tells her that the Red God demands three deaths in place of the lives she saved. I think that's the real Red God's principles there.

With so many deaths through Wildfire, Melisandre maybe would've tried to console Stannis and Davos by telling them that there's no purer death than death through fire. :P



Brilliant stills. :D



Yepper. Someone who watched the episode with me claimed that the entire episode, particularly the explosion, was cinematic quality. I daresay that virtually the entire series has been movie-quality performances and cinematography.

Well, I would make the claim that the battle could have been done a LITTLE better (I don't know how it was in the books, I just mean they could have showed a bit more...It didn't really feel like a large scale battle but more like a skirmish) But it was still pretty great. I would definitely agree about the series being movie quality.

And thanks for essentially saying that Davos survived...I couldn't tell. I suppose the same can't be said for his son.

Cold Fuzz
May 29th, 2012, 09:31 PM
Sorry 'bout that. I thought I tagged everything that needed to be tagged. :o

Gen. Chris
May 29th, 2012, 09:37 PM
Sorry 'bout that. I thought I tagged everything that needed to be tagged. :o

Nah it's fine. I had a feeling he did.

Skydiver
May 30th, 2012, 05:29 AM
I don't know if even a movie can show hundreds of ships and thousands of men battling and dying. GoT has a massive budget but does it have that much?

Of course, haven't we only seen half the battle? cause I recall there being yet another trick up tyrion's sleeve that cinched it that we didn't see

The Mighty 6 platoon
May 30th, 2012, 06:25 AM
Well, I would make the claim that the battle could have been done a LITTLE better (I don't know how it was in the books, I just mean they could have showed a bit more...It didn't really feel like a large scale battle but more like a skirmish) But it was still pretty great. I would definitely agree about the series being movie quality.

They had hundreds of men fighting, scaling the walls, a cavalry charge, a huge wildfire explosion, ships on fire, dozens of boats landing men, swarms of arrows, it was a proper decent battle, and certainly imo felt epic and cinematic. No it didn't have a LOTR wide shot of 100,000 men fighting, but it didn't need it and besides they could afford that.

Further even if they could afford it wouldn't have fit the show. Game of Thrones is about gritty realism, and even if they could have afforded it those huge wide shots wouldn't have suited it. Those shots are totally unrealistic , even in Medieval times with huge pitched battles, armies did not form into two solid groups and smash into each other. Even if you had a bird's eye view of an actual medieval battle, you'd be hard pressed to tell what's going on. The battle would take place over many miles, units would split up, fight at different locations, some would run away, some would rest, some would be left to guard important positions and so on. Blackwater did a sort of infantrymen's perspective of the battle, we saw what a man fighting in the battle would actually see, and I think that worked quite well.



And thanks for essentially saying that Davos survived...I couldn't tell. I suppose the same can't be said for his son.
Matthos is crispy fried. :P

Gen. Chris
May 30th, 2012, 10:08 AM
I don't know quite how to explain what I meant...But I'll try.

It seemed like what few solders we saw (relatively) were all that were around. If they made a comment like "They still have thousands more ready to land" (unless I missed that) then it would have been a little better. Or when Tyrion was giving his little speech it looked like there were maybe fifty men...If they had sort of trailed off in the distance it would have suggested there being more...Know what I mean?

I don't know...Maybe I'm just being picky. It just had the feel, not necessarily the look, of a skirmish, not a battle.

The Mighty 6 platoon
May 30th, 2012, 12:32 PM
I don't know quite how to explain what I meant...But I'll try.

It seemed like what few solders we saw (relatively) were all that were around. If they made a comment like "They still have thousands more ready to land" (unless I missed that) then it would have been a little better. Or when Tyrion was giving his little speech it looked like there were maybe fifty men...If they had sort of trailed off in the distance it would have suggested there being more...Know what I mean?

I don't know...Maybe I'm just being picky. It just had the feel, not necessarily the look, of a skirmish, not a battle.
I honestly don't know what you were watching but it clearly wasn't the episode I watched. We saw them land multiple waves of troops, there was the first group with Stannis, the second wave landed with the ram, and a third wave arrives and charges in after the ram is burnt.

And the troops at the gate, that courtyard was packed with at least 100 men, and I'm not sure how they could have got any more men into that space short of having them stand on top of each other. And how is it supposed to trail off into the distance when the scene was set in an enclosed courtyard? Further it was clearly not meant to be every defender of King's Landing, but the group that Tyrion had gathered to sally forth and flank the attackers. The other troops were on the walls, fighting. Also the defenders are short staffed, it's Stannis who has the big army, King's Landing has relatively few men defending it, that's stated in the series on several occasions.

So yes I think your criticisms are really nitpicky and don't actually make much sense.

Skydiver
May 30th, 2012, 05:12 PM
It wasn't LOTR epic. But I think they did well with what they had. maybe something that made it look tiny is that it was at dark so you couldn't always see that many at a time.

Gen. Chris
May 31st, 2012, 04:18 PM
It wasn't LOTR epic. But I think they did well with what they had. maybe something that made it look tiny is that it was at dark so you couldn't always see that many at a time.

Perhaps this. I didn't realize just how dark my screen was until the very end of the episode. Perhaps I couldn't see the majority of the men. The scene of them landing the first wave I could only see perhaps five or six boats...Were there more that I couldn't see? I also couldn't see much during the part with the Baratheon men charging from the beach after Tyrion said "Oh ____ me"...I only saw about fifty men coming.

I don't know. I was under the impression that there were around 6,000 City Guards...I understand they obviously can't have six thousand extras but from what I saw it just didn't *seem* like King's Landing had more than two hundred men defending at the gate. Of course I suppose they were scattered throughout the city in case another attack occurred somewhere else...

I'm not trying to be picky. Just observing what I saw, which obviously wasn't a lot if my screen is too dark. I might go rewatch it and amp up the brightness on the screen and see what I missed.

Skydiver
May 31st, 2012, 04:34 PM
Ya know guys, there's nothing wrong with a person 'being picky' or the such. I think it's fair to say that lots of he show is open to a person's interpretation. as such we all bring our own life experiences into things. Some of us have read the books, some haven't. Some have read them intently, others maybe not so much (I know I sometimes skim)

I think we all need a little tolerance towards each other. Less judgemental and maybe more simply enjoying the fact that we are watching and enjoying a good show based on some good books....and I think we all hope GRRM lives long enough to finish the bloody series and not leave us hanging :)

Gen. Chris
May 31st, 2012, 04:43 PM
Ya know guys, there's nothing wrong with a person 'being picky' or the such. I think it's fair to say that lots of he show is open to a person's interpretation. as such we all bring our own life experiences into things. Some of us have read the books, some haven't. Some have read them intently, others maybe not so much (I know I sometimes skim)

I think we all need a little tolerance towards each other. Less judgemental and maybe more simply enjoying the fact that we are watching and enjoying a good show based on some good books....and I think we all hope GRRM lives long enough to finish the bloody series and not leave us hanging :)

I don't mind when people criticize my opinions, as long as they have proper evidence for such criticism. It appears as if you guys do, so I don't mind at all.

I will say though, I was impressed seeing Clegane cut men in half...Nice effects for a show.

Skydiver
May 31st, 2012, 05:20 PM
I have no issue at all with discussions, but i've seen some outright dismissing of others opinions, just not fun.

Morbo
June 1st, 2012, 02:26 PM
skydiver's opinions are terrible

Skydiver
June 1st, 2012, 03:20 PM
Can't say i'm too thrilled about yours either Morbo Honey ;)

Gen. Chris
June 10th, 2012, 01:56 PM
I watched this again, this time with the brightness turned up. I was able to see a LOT more going on.

LordRush
June 11th, 2012, 09:03 PM
Why didnt Sansa leave with Clegane? I would have left crazy bastard Jeoffrey if I had a chance.

Pym
June 12th, 2012, 05:14 AM
What a great episode. The wildfire scene was amazing. I wished Sansa had gonewith the Hound when she had the chance.
I dont know if I was supposed to or not but I kinda wanted Stannis to have a victory.
I'm also a bit confused I thought it was Stannis.s men pulling him to safety , or was he being captured.

Skydiver
June 12th, 2012, 03:03 PM
it was his men keeping him from being captured. pulling him to safety.

Morbo
June 12th, 2012, 03:20 PM
they were all dressed the same and it was so dark so it was impossible to tell who was doing what.
myself, a long with a ton of other people i've talked to said they didn't know either - half thought he was being captured (I did too), and the other half said it was his own guys.

Gen. Chris
June 12th, 2012, 04:21 PM
it was his men keeping him from being captured. pulling him to safety.

This.

He had a few men with him when he stormed the wall. I guess those two were the survivors.

Skydiver
June 14th, 2012, 04:24 AM
you can compare commanders in this. Stannis and Tyrion fighting with their men, leading the charge vs joffrey....hiding on the walls scared to death and running to 'safety' at the first opportunity.

The Mighty 6 platoon
June 14th, 2012, 05:29 AM
I watched this again, this time with the brightness turned up. I was able to see a LOT more going on.
I think people's reactions to the episode were based on how good their tv's were and whether they could actually see what was going on. It's a very dark episode, literally, because it was filmed at night. On a good tv screen that can handle that it looks great, and you can see stuff in the background like extra men and boats. On a a crap screen, it's not so good.

Why didnt Sansa leave with Clegane? I would have left crazy bastard Jeoffrey if I had a chance.
That would be a case of exchanging one crazy bastard for another. Besides at that point she thought Stannis was going to win.

Gen. Chris
June 14th, 2012, 12:30 PM
That would be a case of exchanging one crazy bastard for another. Besides at that point she thought Stannis was going to win.

But at least Sandor holds some compassion for people. It's minimal at best but it's more than Joffrey. Sandor is a product of his upbringing, while Joffrey is just insane.

The Mighty 6 platoon
June 14th, 2012, 04:49 PM
But at least Sandor holds some compassion for people. It's minimal at best but it's more than Joffrey. Sandor is a product of his upbringing, while Joffrey is just insane.

Yeah but as I said, she thought Stannis was about to win, so at that point it wasn't a choice between Sandor and Joffery, but Sandor and Stannis. So she thought she had a choice to go with the burned crazy man who will be wanted for deserting, or stay in the city, and let Stannis send her home.

Skydiver
June 14th, 2012, 07:04 PM
Sandor has some sympathy for the powerless, because he was one. Joff is just a sadistic sociopath. Kid's whacked.

Snopangel1833
November 20th, 2016, 09:20 AM
Epic battle scene. I do wish though there was more scenes like this in the series