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Sp!der
May 17th, 2012, 08:13 AM
In my opinion there are only two or maybe three good shows starting next fall and i think wih Revolution being kind of a sci fi show it deserves its own thread where all new news and stuff can be posted here the new looking awesome trailer is here, but if you don't want to be spoiled, you should not watch it because it explains quite a bit on what will go on in the first episodes, with how they treated chuck and community im fearly postivie that it has a chance beyond season one especially with the names attached to the show eric kripke ( Supernatural ) and J.J.Abrams ( Alias, Lost, Fringe, Star Trek ):


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwfCRAtkYEI&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Have fun,

Ukko
May 17th, 2012, 09:04 AM
Looks good.:D

Teddybrown
May 17th, 2012, 09:56 AM
This series looks good, but no news on a UK transmission at the moment :(

magictrick
May 17th, 2012, 10:17 AM
Premise sounds interesting but I think it once again depends on what direction they choose to go with the show. Terra Nova had an interesting concept for a show but ultimately failed because the show runners didn't go the direction most people expected.
Jon Favreau has had a couple of hits with Iron Man and Iron Man 2 though he's never done a TV series before so not sure what to expect.
Good to see that J.J Abrams loves his Sci-Fi though.

LoneStar1836
May 17th, 2012, 11:23 AM
Hmmm. I'll probably take a look at the first ep. Depends on how the characters come across (and if they start preaching about the environment to me...considering this is on NBC) as this is just another post-apocalyptic show. I want to like it since Erik Kripke is attached to it because I loved Supernatural, his creation. And J.J.'s shows aren't half bad either.

Not that I don't like those type shows. I tried to like Jericho, but a bunch of the writing and some of the characters annoyed me...greatly. I enjoyed the BBC's Survivors. Even more so than I'm liking The Walking Dead...which has some very annoying characters.

knowles2
May 17th, 2012, 02:41 PM
it looks good, but so did Alcatraz and the Awake, an we all know how they ended.

There one big flaw with the trailer, the cities look massively overgrown and run down and yet all of the character clothes look brand spanking new, just off the factory belt. An certainly do not look like hand me downs or items they could have traded for.

It has the feeling of Jeremiah. Lets hope this is a little bit more thought out than some of JJ Albrams past efforts.

Now for some wild fun speculation.

From the trailer, it look like some sort of field that is able to jammed electronics and prevent combustion of fuels. It look like the device the teenangers have can shield against the field.

The odd thing is, it appears that the people behind the jamming wants the militia to find that device.

Perhaps they think that the militia can use the device to undo whatever they did why they or the kids cant. Perhaps the militia controls what produces the field that stopping electronics and combustion engines from working.


(If there are two people who I would love to see working together it would be Michael Straczynski, and JJ Albrams, JJ because he comes with good ideas and can get stuff made, why Michael can actually plan a 5 year storyline out so that it make sense, something JJ has constantly failed to do. )

mr_kennedy
May 17th, 2012, 05:09 PM
I'll be checking it out :)

the fifth man
May 17th, 2012, 05:14 PM
Nice first look at it. I will definitely give this show a chance. The question is - Will NBC do the same?

J-Whitt Remastered
May 17th, 2012, 06:52 PM
I'll be checking this out when it premieres. It looks really good. Hopefully, it'll be more like Fringe and less like Alcatraz.

escyos
May 17th, 2012, 09:51 PM
Once again i took the initiative (and blew off doing assessments) to create the Revolution Wiki (http://revolution.wikkii.com/wiki/Revolution_Wiki)

Brian
May 18th, 2012, 05:28 AM
I'll be honest hearing about it mixed with the fact that it was on NBC made me put off watching the trailer for a while. We all know what sci-fi shows on network television wind up being (one exception being Firefly).

Finally watched it a few days ago and wish I didn't waste the time! This show is the epitome of the word "cliche". It looks even more mediocre than Falling Skies, and I thought that was as mediocre and uninteresting as you could get! We need some good programming, this age of mediocrity is maddening.

I feel after watching the trailer, setting aside the bad dialogue, plot inconsistencies yes even shown in this all over the place trailer, setting all that aside I feel I don't have to tune into this one until the finale because the trailer showed literally everything to do with the plot and where it goes.

It's unfortunate because once I saw Tim Guinee I thought HEY that's awesome he's in a show! Maybe he'll make it a good show! I like Tim, think he's a decent actor when given the chance, but that hope was dashed when the trailer shows he's gone after the first episode. Probably within the first 15 minutes. Giancarlo Esposito is also a freakin fantastic actor so again it's unfortunate. Couple all of that with the fact that I severely dislike both Jon Favreau and J.J. Abrams and this one gets a big thumbs down.

escyos
May 18th, 2012, 06:17 AM
I'll be honest hearing about it mixed with the fact that it was on NBC made me put off watching the trailer for a while. We all know what sci-fi shows on network television wind up being (one exception being Firefly).

Finally watched it a few days ago and wish I didn't waste the time! This show is the epitome of the word "cliche". It looks even more mediocre than Falling Skies, and I thought that was as mediocre and uninteresting as you could get! We need some good programming, this age of mediocrity is maddening.

I feel after watching the trailer, setting aside the bad dialogue, plot inconsistencies yes even shown in this all over the place trailer, setting all that aside I feel I don't have to tune into this one until the finale because the trailer showed literally everything to do with the plot and where it goes.

It's unfortunate because once I saw Tim Guinee I thought HEY that's awesome he's in a show! Maybe he'll make it a good show! I like Tim, think he's a decent actor when given the chance, but that hope was dashed when the trailer shows he's gone after the first episode. Probably within the first 15 minutes. Giancarlo Esposito is also a freakin fantastic actor so again it's unfortunate. Couple all of that with the fact that I severely dislike both Jon Favreau and J.J. Abrams and this one gets a big thumbs down.

I did not like the previews i saw of Smallville and did not watch it when it first came on, some time later I watched a episode and LOVED IT. Previews give you part of the plot and in some cases completely screw up what the show/movie is about. I think the only fair way to criticize the show is to watch every episode ever made and then talk about it. Wouldn't you feel bad if you watch the show later on and like it but poor ratings had it cancelled?

jelgate
May 18th, 2012, 07:05 AM
Nice first look at it. I will definitely give this show a chance. The question is - Will NBC do the same?
Of course they will. NBC wouldn't buy it if they didn't want it to succeed. That makes no business sense

knowles2
May 18th, 2012, 07:36 AM
Of course they will. NBC wouldn't buy it if they didn't want it to succeed. That makes no business sense

They may want it to succeed and yet they do not give the creators the opportunity to actually succeed by offering a second season.

X- Files was given a second chance and it became a cult hit, because it got a second season, which is rarely if ever given, Jericho was probably the last and even then they only got 6 episode order for the second season, which hardly gave the creators a chance to turn the series around and I did not see any great advertising push by the channel either.

VampyreWraith
May 18th, 2012, 11:46 AM
I think it looks interesting, and I'm definitely going to check it out when it airs. :)

jelgate
May 18th, 2012, 01:24 PM
They may want it to succeed and yet they do not give the creators the opportunity to actually succeed by offering a second season.

X- Files was given a second chance and it became a cult hit, because it got a second season, which is rarely if ever given, Jericho was probably the last and even then they only got 6 episode order for the second season, which hardly gave the creators a chance to turn the series around and I did not see any great advertising push by the channel either.

If it doesn't succeed in the first chance to get viewers then its already been given a chance. Yes I know thier are a few shows that survive a rocky first season and get popular the next season but those are in the minority. Look at the bubble shows that barely get renewed and when season 2 comes along they fail miserably

knowles2
May 18th, 2012, 03:21 PM
If it doesn't succeed in the first chance to get viewers then its already been given a chance. Yes I know thier are a few shows that survive a rocky first season and get popular the next season but those are in the minority. Look at the bubble shows that barely get renewed and when season 2 comes along they fail miserably

Often because they are remove from their original time slot, sometime to face even further competition or even worst they are put on Friday or even Saturday night, where they are all but destine to get lower numbers.

An then the second is often rarely if ever advertise at all.

The Mighty 6 platoon
May 18th, 2012, 05:31 PM
I did not like the previews i saw of Smallville and did not watch it when it first came on, some time later I watched a episode and LOVED IT. Previews give you part of the plot and in some cases completely screw up what the show/movie is about. I think the only fair way to criticize the show is to watch every episode ever made and then talk about it. Wouldn't you feel bad if you watch the show later on and like it but poor ratings had it cancelled?
Trailers are supposed to cherry pick the best bits of something in an effort to make something look exciting or interesting enough to convince you to watch. It's a bad sign when a trailer makes a show look lacklustre and poorly written as is the case here.

jelgate
May 18th, 2012, 06:34 PM
Often because they are remove from their original time slot, sometime to face even further competition or even worst they are put on Friday or even Saturday night, where they are all but destine to get lower numbers.

An then the second is often rarely if ever advertise at all.

Thier is only a finite space of available on a TV schedule. Putting a struggling show in a time spot of a successful or new unproven show does not make business sense.

escyos
May 18th, 2012, 08:23 PM
Trailers are supposed to cherry pick the best bits of something in an effort to make something look exciting or interesting enough to convince you to watch. It's a bad sign when a trailer makes a show look lacklustre and poorly written as is the case here.

Im sick of people saying something is poorly written, you saw a 4 minute trailer which gave you like 5% of the first episode, there is NO possible way for anyone to know a thing about the writing, I could choose 4 minutes of footage from stargate that would put people off the show and 4 minutes that would want to make people watch it, trailers PROVE NOTHING!

knowles2
May 19th, 2012, 01:40 AM
Im sick of people saying something is poorly written, you saw a 4 minute trailer which gave you like 5% of the first episode, there is NO possible way for anyone to know a thing about the writing, I could choose 4 minutes of footage from stargate that would put people off the show and 4 minutes that would want to make people watch it, trailers PROVE NOTHING!

Not about the writing. But if they cant match the clothes to the state of the cities, which they have not done, then I think we can rightly worry about the rest of the story and how much effort they have put into it.

Also the cities look far more decayed than they would really be after 15 years, way to much plant growth. These are the basics who would expect them to get right.

The Mighty 6 platoon
May 19th, 2012, 05:42 AM
Im sick of people saying something is poorly written, you saw a 4 minute trailer which gave you like 5% of the first episode, there is NO possible way for anyone to know a thing about the writing, I could choose 4 minutes of footage from stargate that would put people off the show and 4 minutes that would want to make people watch it, trailers PROVE NOTHING!
I don't think you understand how trailers work. They are supposed to cherry pick the best bits to make the show look good, while providing a basic premise for the viewer to convince them to watch. If someone in the PR department has chosen the 4 worst minutes of the show to put in a trailer, that really dosn't sell me on the people workng on the show either, if they're going to be so lazy and bad at their jobs that they'll let such a weak trailer for their show be released. It is a bad sign when the bits they have cherry picked looked terrible and the basic premise seems riddled with flaws and plot holes.

In the show electricity seems to have stopped working, but they have firearms, so combustion still must work. Which means that they would be back to 19th century technology, with steam engines etc. Which means the whole post apocalyptic shtick, with the overgrown cities is rubbish. For most of the history of human civilisation people managed without electricity, and they managed to happily create civilisation. So if electricity stopped working you might see the U.S breakup and the states each becoming their own smaller 19th century style countries. To be honest that premise sounds rather more interesting than watching this.

The whole thing just looks so lacklustre, as I said, with no thought given to the mechanics of the premise. The cast look exceedingly well groomed for a a group of people in their situation, and look more like they stepped off modelling shoot, rather than coming from a society where hard manual labour would be an everyday reality. The whole show seems to be centred round the mystery of the power going out, which will turn out to be some half baked explanation like evil conspiracy with EMP, or aliens, or mystical smoke monsters, and seems to ignore the much more interesting side of looking at how American society would cope and stratify with the end of modern technology.

Good shows like Boardwalk Empire, Game of Thrones and the Walking Dead have trailers that make the shows look impressive. They make you excited and interested and want to find out more. Revolution's trailer does not do that to me.

escyos
May 19th, 2012, 06:13 AM
Not about the writing. But if they cant match the clothes to the state of the cities, which they have not done, then I think we can rightly worry about the rest of the story and how much effort they have put into it.

Also the cities look far more decayed than they would really be after 15 years, way to much plant growth. These are the basics who would expect them to get right.

Because you see them wearing jeans and that one guy wearing an ACDC shirt? If the world ended and you came across a facotry/truck full of jeans you probably would grab a few extra pairs, you wouldn't walk out in whatever you just had on. Also jeans can last a long time if looked after and not washed too often, also they can be repair, new ones can be sewn together from old ones. That guys shirt could have been something he found hidden away one day.

If you had to make clothes from scratch (or at the very least old sheets) would you come up with a strange new design or just copy the simple idea that is a shirt? It has only been 15 years, clothes last on average 1-2 years (provided you don't wear the same thing everyday) and as I said clothes can be made/stored away.

Within two days, New York city's subways will flood without people around to constantly pump out the water. Its not too inconceivable that plants would take over quickly, especially considering the extra rainfall from a lack of pollution being pumped out. Have you seen "Life After People", buildings would burn out and plants would more easily take them over.

Sp!der
May 19th, 2012, 06:36 AM
Yeah, it's like judging a album or book by its cover or title... So... A trailer doesnt have to say anything at all about the show, especially with shows...

escyos
May 19th, 2012, 07:58 AM
In the show electricity seems to have stopped working, but they have firearms, so combustion still must work. Which means that they would be back to 19th century technology, with steam engines etc. Which means the whole post apocalyptic shtick, with the overgrown cities is rubbish. For most of the history of human civilisation people managed without electricity, and they managed to happily create civilisation. So if electricity stopped working you might see the U.S breakup and the states each becoming their own smaller 19th century style countries. To be honest that premise sounds rather more interesting than watching this.

The whole thing just looks so lacklustre, as I said, with no thought given to the mechanics of the premise. The cast look exceedingly well groomed for a a group of people in their situation, and look more like they stepped off modelling shoot, rather than coming from a society where hard manual labour would be an everyday reality. The whole show seems to be centred round the mystery of the power going out, which will turn out to be some half baked explanation like evil conspiracy with EMP, or aliens, or mystical smoke monsters, and seems to ignore the much more interesting side of looking at how American society would cope and stratify with the end of modern technology.

Good shows like Boardwalk Empire, Game of Thrones and the Walking Dead have trailers that make the shows look impressive. They make you excited and interested and want to find out more. Revolution's trailer does not do that to me.

Have you gone 1 year without all the electric gadgets you use? Even after a day without my computer or iPod i feel strange. Also people are so reliant on machines to make things, the average person has no clue how to do anything. Someone living in a 15th floor apartment wont be able to grow food and will have to leave the city, there is no way to grow food in a concrete field.

I discussed the whole clothes thing in an earlier post. Game of Thrones was worse than the trailer. I noticed you went on about the whole centered around the blackout thing - thats obviously the whole main point of the show, if you want a show about people growing food in their backyards and selling fish on the street, then find a show about that or make it yourself.

Im sure that a wonderful show where technology magically stops working and is never explained will not piss off more people than a show that does.

knowles2
May 19th, 2012, 01:27 PM
Because you see them wearing jeans and that one guy wearing an ACDC shirt? If the world ended and you came across a facotry/truck full of jeans you probably would grab a few extra pairs, you wouldn't walk out in whatever you just had on. Also jeans can last a long time if looked after and not washed too often, also they can be repair, new ones can be sewn together from old ones. That guys shirt could have been something he found hidden away one day.

If you had to make clothes from scratch (or at the very least old sheets) would you come up with a strange new design or just copy the simple idea that is a shirt? It has only been 15 years, clothes last on average 1-2 years (provided you don't wear the same thing everyday) and as I said clothes can be made/stored away.

Within two days, New York city's subways will flood without people around to constantly pump out the water. Its not too inconceivable that plants would take over quickly, especially considering the extra rainfall from a lack of pollution being pumped out. Have you seen "Life After People", buildings would burn out and plants would more easily take them over.

If I remember rightly life after people showed building in that level of disrepair after fifty years, not 15 said in the trailer.


An pollution would cause more rainful, why, because cities and cars create creates urban heat sinks, which cause more water to evaporate into the atmosphere, which need to full somewhere. Also particles from out combustion engines make clouds and water molecules heavier and so they are more likely to full to the ground.

The clothes look pristine, perfectly fitted, that shirt looked perfectly white not even Arial keep clothes that white, they lived on farm, probably growing there own food from the land, dirty, sweaty manual labour. It be nearly impossible for them to have such clean, undamaged clothes, no matter how careful they are looked after. This made even worst by the fact that the characters were kids when this happen, they would not have been to collect clothes that fitted them perfectly before the event happen.

As rightly pointed out, these are pampered, 21st century, Iphone/ipad kids, the likely hood that they make clothes that looked that good after 15 years is low to zero, they would be a lot more basic.
Take Hashima Island as a prime example, even after 30 years of being left to nature it is not as overgrown as it in Revolution, even Chernobyl, where nature is driving has not be taken over by plants to the extent shown in the trailer and it has 25 years of non occupation by humans.

The clothes do not look like they have been repaired, which is part of the problem.

If they want to go down the route of giving themselves pristine clothes, then they need to explain how they got those clothes, where they come from. It perfectly possible that someone has set up a factory to make them in the past 15 years and some sort of trading system exists or that people in there community taught themselves, but they need to show us that or tell us that is what happening in this world,

That reconstruction and rebuilding the world is going on, base not electricity but on other forms of power, which is an interesting story to tell. Especially if they showed someone attempting to create a new computer age perhaps using Charles Baddage difference engine, now that would be cool to see. they have not, all they shown in the film that the world is falling apart.





Sp!der
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Re: Revolution ( NBC) : News/Speculation/General Discussion
Yeah, it's like judging a album or book by its cover or title... So... A trailer doesnt have to say anything at all about the show, especially with shows...

One of the points of the thread is to speculate and discussed, we are discussing what we see in the trailer and our opinions on the trailer, it's the only material we got to go on for now, but this is a JJ Albrams show, so it unlikely to stay that way for long.

If combustion still work, then I would expect to see at least attempts to build combustion engines that do not need electricity to run. Like they did in the early days. An I believe even the US there still a few steam powered boats and trains running.

The Mighty 6 platoon
May 19th, 2012, 02:06 PM
Have you gone 1 year without all the electric gadgets you use? Even after a day without my computer or iPod i feel strange. Also people are so reliant on machines to make things, the average person has no clue how to do anything. Someone living in a 15th floor apartment wont be able to grow food and will have to leave the city, there is no way to grow food in a concrete field.
I might not have gone a year without electronic items, but I have gone a significant amount of time in the military without electronic items, and have managed just fine. Also surprising as it may be to you, but your food comes from the countryside, where quite a few people live. Now you city folk might be baffled be baffled by a life without your ipod, but as someone who lives on the family farm currently, if the power went out, I would have no problem knowing where my next meal came from, because I can look out my window and see the fields of crops and the pens full of sheep, pigs and chickens.

As unpleasant and problematic as it would be, my family, hell the whole local village, could survive without power. Wouldn't be nice and it would be a harder life, but people here do have the skills. If you looked farther than 6 feet in front of your own face, you'd realise not everybody lives up an apartment block, hooked to their iphone or ipod permanently permanently. Where you live, people might not know how to hunt, or how to slaughter an animal, or how to skin and gut it, but where I live those are common skills. It may be in a situation where the electronics went out that many people in the city would have no idea how to survive, but the fact remains there are still significant groups of people who live in the country who do have the skills to survive and even thrive.

Much like the makers of this show, you appear to have only looked out the window when it comes to considering how people would survive the situation, rather than considering the wider diaspora.



I discussed the whole clothes thing in an earlier post.
Who said anything about clothes? I was talking about how clean and well fed they look. You work hard, you get dirty, sweaty, your hair gets mussed up. These people look like they've never done a days manual labour in their life.

Game of Thrones was worse than the trailer.
Any examples? Game of Thrones is a master piece in effective marketing. It has plenty of good exciting trailers. I makes you want to watch the show. I didn't include any trailers before because I didn't want to go off topic, but since you mentioned it I will do now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpJYNVhGf1s
That's how you do a trailer. It takes the best part, effectively introducing the main characters and premise while making the show look as epic and exciting as possible.


I noticed you went on about the whole centered around the blackout thing - thats obviously the whole main point of the show, if you want a show about people growing food in their backyards and selling fish on the street, then find a show about that or make it yourself.
Who said anything about a show about selling fish? I talked about how it would be interesting to explore how people would remake civilisation in such an event. Which states might turn into nations, How would they be governed , how would they differ, for instance the more liberal costal states with the more conservative internal states, what might they fight over.

That's interesting, that's good science fiction, not some such for whatever half baked deus ex machina the writers come up with.

knowles2
May 20th, 2012, 06:55 AM
I might not have gone a year without electronic items, but I have gone a significant amount of time in the military without electronic items, and have managed just fine. Also surprising as it may be to you, but your food comes from the countryside, where quite a few people live. Now you city folk might be baffled be baffled by a life without your ipod, but as someone who lives on the family farm currently, if the power went out, I would have no problem knowing where my next meal came from, because I can look out my window and see the fields of crops and the pens full of sheep, pigs and chickens.

As unpleasant and problematic as it would be, my family, hell the whole local village, could survive without power. Wouldn't be nice and it would be a harder life, but people here do have the skills. If you looked farther than 6 feet in front of your own face, you'd realise not everybody lives up an apartment block, hooked to their iphone or ipod permanently permanently. Where you live, people might not know how to hunt, or how to slaughter an animal, or how to skin and gut it, but where I live those are common skills. It may be in a situation where the electronics went out that many people in the city would have no idea how to survive, but the fact remains there are still significant groups of people who live in the country who do have the skills to survive and even thrive.

Much like the makers of this show, you appear to have only looked out the window when it comes to considering how people would survive the situation, rather than considering the wider diaspora.


Who said anything about clothes? I was talking about how clean and well fed they look. You work hard, you get dirty, sweaty, your hair gets mussed up. These people look like they've never done a days manual labour in their life.

Any examples? Game of Thrones is a master piece in effective marketing. It has plenty of good exciting trailers. I makes you want to watch the show. I didn't include any trailers before because I didn't want to go off topic, but since you mentioned it I will do now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpJYNVhGf1s
That's how you do a trailer. It takes the best part, effectively introducing the main characters and premise while making the show look as epic and exciting as possible.


Who said anything about a show about selling fish? I talked about how it would be interesting to explore how people would remake civilisation in such an event. Which states might turn into nations, How would they be governed , how would they differ, for instance the more liberal costal states with the more conservative internal states, what might they fight over.

That's interesting, that's good science fiction, not some such for whatever half baked deus ex machina the writers come up with. Completely agree with that.

Ukko
May 20th, 2012, 07:16 AM
Just a note on the filthy torn clothes verses clean ones. The Amish seem to do just fine. Hard work or no. If you take care of your clothes, they'll last.

ZRFTS
May 20th, 2012, 08:47 AM
Watched the trailer a while ago and I am not looking forward to this at all. For one, it's premise is questionable at best; I'm trying to wrap my head around the whole thing, like the whole thing with the electricity going out (how can a plane spin exactly), the ability to generate electricity (surely there must be something that prevents an electric charge from being generated because if they didn't, windmills would be generating electricity right now) and society 15 years later. (I agree with everything knowles2 said, this seems less reasonable and more follow the tropes with stuff like vegetation and wear being the norm in sci-fi shows.)

The main focus of this show from watching the trailer is obviously going to be about the mythology and the characters (because what else will hook viewers after watching The Voice?) and both of those factors seem underdeveloped based on the trailer. The characters don't have that sort of appeal that Fringe has and they seem almost one dimensional in nature, (possibly a fault of the director of Iron Man helming this project.) though there may be something in the series, I doubt that there will be anything of that nature since the characters shown don't have anything that'd make me care about them. I don't know what type of mythology doesn't revolve around secret logos and groups communicating each other (which they do in this show.), the ultimate questions may revolve around what's the purpose behind the blackout, how do they generate electrical charges and what purpose do these three have but even then, there's nothing deep to the mythology at hand that'd keep anybody interested.

Plus there's stuff like the over-the-top action, forced thematics and plot holes abound. (How do governments fall due to the lack of electricity, how does anything rise up? I know we take technology for granted but it's not something that society would entirely change for.) It seems like the director of Iron Man is trying to focus on the concept, the action and the mythology rather then the society, the characters or even the inner workings of the show itself; that alone will be the shows undoing because action, concept and mythology a show does not make.

I know people out there will be anticipating it because it has J.J. Abrams name and because it will hopefully resurrect sci-fi but honestly, there are better ways to resurrect sci-fi (like coming up with good ideas.) and just because it has J.J. Abrams does not mean it'll be automatically good. Many people are also hoping this show will resurrect NBC but it won't, instead it will contribute to the grave which Comcast keeps digging for it; series like this are going to be the reason why NBC is still in bad times, alongside the comedies it tries to force along (most of which just seems like an attempt to replicate the NBC of the 90's by seeing what sticks out of all of the comedies), the stuff Comcast think will work and the lack of support that will come from veteran shows ("30 Rock", "Parks and Recreation", "The Biggest Loser", "The Office", "Law & Order SVU", "Babar") that will leave the network in this or the next year.

escyos
May 20th, 2012, 08:50 PM
Watched the trailer a while ago and I am not looking forward to this at all. For one, it's premise is questionable at best; I'm trying to wrap my head around the whole thing, like the whole thing with the electricity going out (how can a plane spin exactly)

If you watch the released scene (not the trailer) you see a light in the street explode in sparks, most likely a surge, if a plane engine did the same, it could spin out of control.

escyos
May 20th, 2012, 10:51 PM
Plus there's stuff like the over-the-top action, forced thematics and plot holes abound. (How do governments fall due to the lack of electricity, how does anything rise up? I know we take technology for granted but it's not something that society would entirely change for.)

Power goes out, people run out of food, start looting and killing each other, police and armed forces get overwhelmed (they lose the tech too), what use is a government then? They have no power and the economy would disappear, sitting in a fancy hall and coming up with laws serves no one, they would probably flee.

ZRFTS
May 21st, 2012, 05:42 AM
If you watch the released scene (not the trailer) you see a light in the street explode in sparks, most likely a surge, if a plane engine did the same, it could spin out of control.

So you mean to tell me that the way they do the blackout is by adding more energy? There would have to be a ridiculously large power source that's either alien or conspicuously common and for them to use that energy around the world is implausible, even with an electrical interference field. Additionally if they were overloading it then there would be some sort of electrical area out there that's built to handle any energy surge no matter how big or small.

What they did in the show was remove all the electricity; so tell me, to remove all the electricity do they oversurge it or neutralize it or do they find a way to prevent the electrical charge from happening? (Note: Energy can be generated by friction, most of us human beings consist of electricity or an electrical current, also windmills.)


Power goes out, people run out of food
I doubt they'd run out of food, it may take longer but we have farms that can grow this stuff and we have ways of delivering it that don't require electricity.


start looting and killing each other, police and armed forces get overwhelmed (they lose the tech too)
Because of the situation at hand; even if they lose the tech, the guns they have still work and they can find ways to utilize the tank shells without having electricity; they're not completely powerless if they lose the tech.


what use is a government then? They have no power and the economy would disappear
Well a government is there to set rules, manage zoning, maintain the community, just make sure that the city is running in an orderly fashion. There was government back when there wasn't electricity, hell there was communication back when there wasn't electricity through the usage of an old trusty horse. Sure, there wasn't one unified government like we have now but the ideology of government still existed and several unions were doing fine with such government.


sitting in a fancy hall and coming up with laws serves no one, they would probably flee.
Again, they have ways of enforcing it; it's just that the producers decided to ignore that because the government collapsing would be cooler.

Ukko
May 21st, 2012, 06:30 AM
So you mean to tell me that the way they do the blackout is by adding more energy? There would have to be a ridiculously large power source that's either alien or conspicuously common and for them to use that energy around the world is implausible, even with an electrical interference field. Additionally if they were overloading it then there would be some sort of electrical area out there that's built to handle any energy surge no matter how big or small.


What they did in the show was remove all the electricity; so tell me, to remove all the electricity do they oversurge it or neutralize it or do they find a way to prevent the electrical charge from happening? (Note: Energy can be generated by friction, most of us human beings consist of electricity or an electrical current, also windmills.)

Unless you can see into the future, how about we wait and see what their explanation/reason for the blackout is before saying what they did, and trying to poke holes in it.


I doubt they'd run out of food, it may take longer but we have farms that can grow this stuff and we have ways of delivering it that don't require electricity.

Please enlighten us as to how without power or technology, they will feed 300 million people. Once the canned and wrapped food runs out (and it will be hoarded by those who like to take advantage), the farms are gonna have trouble doing that.



Because of the situation at hand; even if they lose the tech, the guns they have still work and they can find ways to utilize the tank shells without having electricity; they're not completely powerless if they lose the tech.

The guns ordinary citizens and militias have still work. And they dont rely on a vast communications network.



Well a government is there to set rules, manage zoning, maintain the community, just make sure that the city is running in an orderly fashion. There was government back when there wasn't electricity, hell there was communication back when there wasn't electricity through the usage of an old trusty horse. Sure, there wasn't one unified government like we have now but the ideology of government still existed and several unions were doing fine with such government.

And back when there wasnt electricity, there wasnt 300 million people and a civilization that relied on electronic communication. That trusty old horse is fine for the few in the country who can ride and look after one.



Again, they have ways of enforcing it; it's just that the producers decided to ignore that because the government collapsing would be cooler.

Enlighten us.

knowles2
May 21st, 2012, 07:49 AM
Unless you can see into the future, how about we wait and see what their explanation/reason for the blackout is before saying what they did, and trying to poke holes in it.


[QUOTE]
Please enlighten us as to how without power or technology, they will feed 300 million people. Once the canned and wrapped food runs out (and it will be hoarded by those who like to take advantage), the farms are gonna have trouble doing that.
Fema as plans to secure such sites in America, without large scale communication infrastructure, as this would require in an atomic war scenerio. Of cause large sections of society would have to be adapted to run without electricity, and quickly, tough but not impossible.

Unsurprisingly less developed nations would find this change much easier to cope with, it be nice to see what happening in places like Africa.




The guns ordinary citizens and militias have still work. And they dont rely on a vast communications network. Civilians would have to go up against well trained and armed army guys. You imagine for several days or a few weeks at least the population would think it just a normal blackout or a terrorist attack using electromagnetic field and that the government will be returning power shortly. In that time the Government would gather people quickly to access how to run our current infrastructure without electricity, deploying army troops in all major cities and food rashioning would come in.
expect announce that steam engines would be rapidly built and that government would sieze the relevent factories and infrastructure to get that operational.




And back when there wasnt electricity, there wasnt 300 million people and a civilization that relied on electronic communication. That trusty old horse is fine for the few in the country who can ride and look after one.



Combustion engines would still work, you just need a different ignition system, if the government can maintain order for a few weeks and produce plans to get the country back up and running there more likely most people would support them.

We can only judge by the quality of the trailer, which show several cliché storyline (secret organisation, boy defends dad, dad dies because of boy, mysterious communications with person face hidden, secrete object that needs protecting,). The Airline crash scene look silly and was clearly design for visual impact rather than realism, which for me this story needs.

ZRFTS
May 21st, 2012, 08:01 AM
Please enlighten us as to how without power or technology, they will feed 300 million people. Once the canned and wrapped food runs out (and it will be hoarded by those who like to take advantage), the farms are gonna have trouble doing that.
Easy, though there may not be electricity to operate those combines or those automated canning machines; we can easily work the machines that were made before electricity and operate the machines ourselves. I mean all the machines do is take out the hard work, all we need to do is do the hard work. As for the 300 million people well some of those people can work at the factories the same way they work at Foxxcon, there are a lot of people; I'm sure most of them would appreciate doing the work just to get some benefit out of it.

Just because there isn't any electricity doesn't mean there's a way to get the work done.



The guns ordinary citizens and militias have still work.
I already mentioned that.



And they dont rely on a vast communications network.
Who said anything about a vast communications network? I wasn't thinking about any communications network when thinking about the situation at hand and even then, the people that make up the armed forces, army, military and navy won't be utterly powerless without communication; they won't be overwhelmed by people with guns that don't have communication. Sure, they can't coordinate globally but they can initially communicate locally (during the blackout) then work their way up to global communication, don't assume they're powerless because they're cut off.



And back when there wasnt electricity, there wasnt 300 million people and a civilization that relied on electronic communication.
That's because it's easier and quicker, not because it opened up new ways to communicate with each other. The trusty mail system thankfully still exists (though being increasingly ignored by the new generation) and there would be little change as to how people communicate with each other with the exception of making it harder to discover other people and places to discuss (like this forum).



That trusty old horse is fine for the few in the country who can ride and look after one.
Where I live there is a suburban city which has paths specifically designed for horses, most of the city even revolves around a horsing theme. Though they may be country-oriented, they often expand into the most suburban (and industrial) of areas and from the people I've met, they mostly use their horses rather then their cars because they're acquainted with them and serve most of the same purpose.

I think I'm beginning to understand why the people behind Revolution made society the way it is; people have forgone steam propulsion technology, paper-based communication methods and even stuff like horses for things like cars, electrically powered engines and the internet, so much so that they'd mostly be unable to transition to the ways of old, thus leading to a world where pony express mail, hand operated machinery and even steam trains are barely existent.



Enlighten us.

Okay...


The establishment of various government offices around every city to enforce laws.
Using the pony express to communicate with the white house.
Having strict guidelines for the people they do employ to enforce those offices.
Actually making sure those laws would work in today's times. (people do rebel if the laws are unfair)

And for the situation itself.


The setting up of a system that'd allow food to come in an easy manner.
Providing the basis for the reconstruction of ancient technology that is now practical.
Gaining public appeal by sympathizing with the situation.
An adjustment of the taxes to compensate for today's times.
The initial lack of war and formation of a union between countries.

Ukko
May 21st, 2012, 08:14 AM
Fema as plans to secure such sites in America, without large scale communication infrastructure, as this would require in an atomic war scenerio. Of cause large sections of society would have to be adapted to run without electricity, and quickly, tough but not impossible.

Unsurprisingly less developed nations would find this change much easier to cope with, it be nice to see what happening in places like Africa.

Securing sites isnt a problem (unless malitias turn up or farmers dont allow it), producing enough for, and distributing to 300 million people is the problem. Look at the mess that was Katrina. FEMA would also need communications.

If the TV's still worked, the folks in Africa would probably be pointing and laughing.:p



Civilians would have to go up against well trained and armed army guys. You imagine for several days or a few weeks at least the population would think it just a normal blackout or a terrorist attack using electromagnetic field and that the government will be returning power shortly. In that time the Government would gather people quickly to access how to run our current infrastructure without electricity, deploying army troops in all major cities and food rashioning would come in.
expect announce that steam engines would be rapidly built and that government would sieze the relevent factories and infrastructure to get that operational.

I think you're underestimating how heavily armed the American populace is.

Yes, their training will give them an advantage, but their technological advantage goes out the window, and they're vastly outnumbered and unable to receive orders. They would be just as clueless as the civilians. The impression i got from the trailer was that this is something that just happens, click. No time to prepare.



Combustion engines would still work, you just need a different ignition system, if the government can maintain order for a few weeks and produce plans to get the country back up and running there more likely most people would support them.

To produce plans for a fix that quick, and get the country back up and running, they would need the kind of efficient communications that they've just lost. The government can do what it does now because it has the means to do so.
Combustion engines would also need fuel. Theres some fun panicking.


We can only judge by the quality of the trailer, which show several cliché storyline (secret organisation, boy defends dad, dad dies because of boy, mysterious communications with person face hidden, secrete object that needs protecting,). The Airline crash scene look silly and was clearly design for visual impact rather than realism, which for me this story needs.

Firstly, the bolded parts arent clichés, and the communication with person whose face is hidden, well, your doing that now with me right now and everyone else on here. Secondly, there is nothing wrong with clichés. Any half decent writer knows this. Its the execution that matters, and until we see the show, we cant judge the execution.

Thats how TV and movies work, both being visual mediums and all.

knowles2
May 21st, 2012, 12:30 PM
Firstly, the bolded parts arent clichés, and the communication with person whose face is hidden, well, your doing that now with me right now and everyone else on here. Secondly, there is nothing wrong with clichés. Any half decent writer knows this. Its the execution that matters, and until we see the show, we cant judge the execution. Okay technically they are not cliches, but they are way over use plot devices and to include so many in a single trailer is close to being unforgivable, I will still end up watching it but base of the trailer I am not expecting much.

The trailer execution is average, again compare to trailers we have from Games of Thrones, or the excellent trailers released for Walking Dead, and even Fallen Skies had better trailers than this.

Saying it a visual medium, does not give the writers excuses for not being creative or resorting same or similar plot devices. Only lazy writers, producers and directors do that. Good ones find new and exciting ways to expand the medium and show the audience something they have not seen before.

We clearly have to different view points on human nature, but I believe that we tend not to panicked, we tend to remain calm and we tend to work together to solve problems. An if such a disaster did happen, we would not see the level of destruction that we saw in the trailer. But hopefully the writers will show use how all that occurred during the show and provide reasons. I actually think chaos, if there is chaos would be relatively short live and government would bring back order relatively quickly.

Hopefully the show will show a little of what happens in the rest of the world as well.

Ukko
May 21st, 2012, 12:47 PM
Okay technically they are not cliches, but they are way over use plot devices and to include so many in a single trailer is close to being unforgivable, I will still end up watching it but base of the trailer I am not expecting much.

Pick up any book or show me a any TV show and i'll point out multiple overused plot devices. Like i said before, its the execution that matters, and untill we see the show, we just dont know.


The trailer the execution is average, again compare to trailers we have from Games of Thrones, or the excellent trailers released for Walking Dead, and even Fallen SKies had better trailers than this.

There are few shows made that can match the quality of those ones. But pointing out those shows and your above words; Zombie apocalypse, Alien invasion/apocalypse and warring kingdoms/kings, incest and politicking are certainly nothing new or original. But GoT, WD and FS are examples of top quality execution.


We clearly have to different view points on human nature, but I believe that we tend not to panicked, we tend to remain calm and we tend to work together to solve problems. An if such a disaster did happen, we would not see the level of destruction that we saw in the trailer. But hopefully the writers will show use how all that occurred during the show and provide reasons. I actually think chaos, if there is chaos would be relatively short live and government would bring back order relatively quickly.

Hopefully the show will show a little of what happens in the rest of the world as well.

People go crazy enough when we have the means to properly recover and rebuild after a disaster. If you, quite literally, flip a switch and "turn off" civilization one night, people are going to panic (understatment).

the fifth man
May 21st, 2012, 05:22 PM
People go crazy enough when we have the means to properly recover and rebuild after a disaster. If you, quite literally, flip a switch and "turn off" civilization one night, people are going to panic (understatment).

I totally agree with that. I think that things would get pretty ugly quickly.

escyos
May 22nd, 2012, 01:56 AM
Because of the situation at hand; even if they lose the tech, the guns they have still work and they can find ways to utilize the tank shells without having electricity; they're not completely powerless if they lose the tech.

Yes its not like there are any example of when the power goes out for a few hours that people DON'T start looting...

ZRFTS
May 22nd, 2012, 06:31 AM
Yes its not like there are any example of when the power goes out for a few hours that people DON'T start looting...

Still... Even if they start looting (and considering the security of some of the stores out there today, even if the power goes out.) and start getting better weapons; they're not going to get overpowered by the onslaught. They know what to do and they know how to communicate with each other during such incidents, quanity = equal quality.

And there was an incident in LA where the power was out for a few days (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/12/high-winds-power-outages-southern-california.html) and nobody looted within the first few hours from my knowledge, I doubt they'd start looting instantly but they would get uneasy about the situation when after a few days the power isn't going to be coming back on.

knowles2
May 22nd, 2012, 06:43 AM
People go crazy enough when we have the means to properly recover and rebuild after a disaster. If you, quite literally, flip a switch and "turn off" civilization one night, people are going to panic (understatment)


Do they, I did not see people go crazy in Japan Earth Quake, or Haiti, or in fact that 2004 India sea earth Quake, or a better example would the massive black out of new york city that happen a few years ago.
Katrina did drove some people go insane but that appears to be exception to the rule rather than the rule. Most humans pull together in a crisis and help each other out, these far out weigh the individualistic people in society, who are either frozen or come round to the group thinking.

ZRFTS
May 22nd, 2012, 09:04 AM
Do they, I did not see people go crazy in Japan Earth Quake, or Haiti, or in fact that 2004 India sea earth Quake, or a better example would the massive black out of new york city that happen a few years ago.

I have to full-heatedly agree with him. I mean even in a show like this, they wouldn't go insane because of the lack of technology just as a full government collapse wouldn't be possible.

Though people are waiting for the show to see what happens, I'm certain the show will fail for these reasons. Over-exaggeration of government collapse and consequences for plot reasons (which people ,will try to justify), the entire power draining thing being convoluted (some people say it's a surge but from my looks of it, it seems like something's preventing an electrical charge from forming; the show may provide some explanation on this but still, it convoluted even if explained.), the theatrics lacking substance and the lack of compelling characters. It does look good but then again anything can look good, it does look science-fictiony but true science-fiction to me is exploring the unknown, taking risks, raising questions that people will linger on for years, actually showing what can be possible and daring to be different. This is just following the trends and favoring style over substance which most sci-fi movies and some series have done in recent times. Both audiences will be disappointed.

I swear some truly innovative, intellectual and offbeat person needs to step up to the plate and create a sci-fi series; the truly innovative and the truly offbeat people are the ones who manage to think of stuff we never could think of and if that person can create something sci-fi that truly goes where no man has gone before then he might just resurrect sci-fi as we speak.

magictrick
May 22nd, 2012, 09:44 AM
I have to full-heatedly agree with him. I mean even in a show like this, they wouldn't go insane because of the lack of technology just as a full government collapse wouldn't be possible.


The examples being referred to are indeed major incidents, but they only affected a certain city or geographical area. The reason people pulled together so well in those instances was partly because they had the full country's support as well as the rest of the world. What happens when there is no support for anyone? The best example would be, what if the New York blackouts weren't just in New York, but in the whole country? Or the entire world? Would the response have been the same?

The show is focusing on a global incident which affects absolutely everyone. I'm not sure about the 'realism' of this show, though from the trailer, there do appear to be some questionable aspects. The point is, anyone who creates these types of shows that focus on global incidents can pretty much create the world however they want since there is no benchmark to compare to in our history.

escyos
May 22nd, 2012, 04:55 PM
Still... Even if they start looting (and considering the security of some of the stores out there today, even if the power goes out.) and start getting better weapons; they're not going to get overpowered by the onslaught. They know what to do and they know how to communicate with each other during such incidents, quanity = equal quality.

And there was an incident in LA where the power was out for a few days (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/12/high-winds-power-outages-southern-california.html) and nobody looted within the first few hours from my knowledge, I doubt they'd start looting instantly but they would get uneasy about the situation when after a few days the power isn't going to be coming back on.

Yes but, lets take for example me. I'm sitting in my room, suddenly the power goes out. Fair enough, but my laptop does not work either. Weird but maybe the blackout fried it. Grab my ipod to listen to music, it does not work, maybe the battery died. Pick up my phone to play a game, it too does not work. Things start to get weird. I leave my room, with the card reader unable to let me back into my room. I go outside, other people are claiming that their phones are dead and cars wont start. Now I start to feel a little freaked out.

After five days I would be very worried, no emergency services have been heard from, without cars they would have difficulty moving about. Food begins to run low and cooking meat etc is difficult to do. I grab what money i have and head to the store to try to buy something, however the owner does not let anyone in, as he has no way to know and add prices, people start freaking out and yelling. Suddenly the door is busted open and people start grabbing stuff. What should I do, sit around and judge the others, no i grab some stuff and run for it.

ZRFTS
May 22nd, 2012, 11:12 PM
What happens when there is no support for anyone? The best example would be, what if the New York blackouts weren't just in New York, but in the whole country? Or the entire world? Would the response have been the same?
In my opinion, yes... While it effects everybody, the people in the area think that it's local and would result in the same bonding together as the other incidents; and though the county (or government) may not be as efficient as before, they'd still be able to help.



The point is, anyone who creates these types of shows that focus on global incidents can pretty much create the world however they want since there is no benchmark to compare to in our history.
There may be no benchmark but that doesn't mean they can't utilize more effort to build the world that they want; ie actually researching the governments instead of claiming that they fell due to lack of electricity.


Yes but, lets take for example me. I'm sitting in my room, suddenly the power goes out. Fair enough, but my laptop does not work either. Weird but maybe the blackout fried it. Grab my ipod to listen to music, it does not work, maybe the battery died. Pick up my phone to play a game, it too does not work. Things start to get weird. I leave my room, with the card reader unable to let me back into my room. I go outside, other people are claiming that their phones are dead and cars wont start. Now I start to feel a little freaked out.
Just like Tom Cruise in War of the Worlds.



After five days I would be very worried, no emergency services have been heard from, without cars they would have difficulty moving about.
They could still be heard from, (though the difficulty part is noted) and the local government of the city can still organize a meeting to gather the town together and discuss what's wrong.



Food begins to run low and cooking meat etc is difficult to do.
If the gas pipes still work than you could use those and flames to ignite the stove and cook food. Additionally you can also create a fire to cook your food on if you've kept gasoline or matches (or more rarely, the ability to use flint rock to actually start fires)


I grab what money i have and head to the store to try to buy something, however the owner does not let anyone in, as he has no way to know and add prices
This is why price tags exist; people need to know how much things cost, otherwise there'd be lots of instances where they'd bring the item to a cashier or a scanner just to know how much it would cost. though there'd be no way to figure out the global demand for prices during a blackout, he can still locally modify prices by changing the price tag; though unfairness does play some part here.


people start freaking out and yelling. Suddenly the door is busted open and people start grabbing stuff. What should I do, sit around and judge the others, no i grab some stuff and run for it.
I understand if they didn't let people in but for not knowing how to know and add prices, doubtful. Riots usually start randomly, either out of anger or due to some issue where someone isn't getting the help they need and the people just join in because hey, if one guy is doing it, why can't we? I can't exactly pinpoint which riots become logical (as in for survival) or senseless (just random looting without any survival purpose whatsoever.) but the riot mentality exists.

I still doubt that the blackout would cause them to loot and riot; unless there was something that drove them over the edge but that would have to be extremely sudden in a coordinated world like this.

Ukko
May 23rd, 2012, 03:57 AM
In my opinion, yes... While it effects everybody, the people in the area think that it's local and would result in the same bonding together as the other incidents; and though the county (or government) may not be as efficient as before, they'd still be able to help.

You seem to think its the same as a simple power cut. My laptop, phone, MP3 player and everything else i own that runs on batteries, still work during a power cut. Cars and backup generators still work. Planes falling from the sky (living near an airport, thats something i'd notice) isnt something that happens during a power cut and anyone with half a brain could tell that something is seriously wrong if all that started happening; not simply believe it a local blackout.
Less efficient? As with governments, they (emergency services, people in general etc) wouldnt know where to go to help, or what to help with. Nothing works. How are firemen to get to fires and put them out? How are hospitals going to function without any power? Especially at night. How are the police or military going to keep control when they have no way of knowing where the trouble is, or have the means to get there in anything close to reasonable time? Same goes for ambulances. They would probably kill to simply be "less efficient".




There may be no benchmark but that doesn't mean they can't utilize more effort to build the world that they want; ie actually researching the governments instead of claiming that they fell due to lack of electricity.

Governments can govern now because they have the means to do so, take away that means and they cease to govern.


Just like Tom Cruise in War of the Worlds.

Theres an accurate depiction of what would happen....



They could still be heard from, (though the difficulty part is noted) and the local government of the city can still organize a meeting to gather the town together and discuss what's wrong.

How would you hear from them? How are they to know where they're needed, get there and be able to help? You'd need to bump into them in the street.
Effective, efficient communication would be needed to organize such a meeting. The whole city or town (unless very small) wouldnt know of this meeting, and no one would know what was wrong. Local governments are useless enough already.


If the gas pipes still work than you could use those and flames to ignite the stove and cook food. Additionally you can also create a fire to cook your food on if you've kept gasoline or matches (or more rarely, the ability to use flint rock to actually start fires)

And what happens to the pipelines when SCADA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCADA) goes offline?
Pipeline operation. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pipeline_transport#Operation)



This is why price tags exist; people need to know how much things cost, otherwise there'd be lots of instances where they'd bring the item to a cashier or a scanner just to know how much it would cost. though there'd be no way to figure out the global demand for prices during a blackout, he can still locally modify prices by changing the price tag; though unfairness does play some part here.


I understand if they didn't let people in but for not knowing how to know and add prices, doubtful. Riots usually start randomly, either out of anger or due to some issue where someone isn't getting the help they need and the people just join in because hey, if one guy is doing it, why can't we? I can't exactly pinpoint which riots become logical (as in for survival) or senseless (just random looting without any survival purpose whatsoever.) but the riot mentality exists.


How are people going to pay exactly? Withdraw money from the bank? Cos they're gonna need cash, and lots of it. Cards are no good anymore. Tills wont work either.
Riots and looting will ensue. Tempers will flare. People will want to "defend" there own and "protect" whats theirs. Mob rule.


I still doubt that the blackout would cause them to loot and riot; unless there was something that drove them over the edge but that would have to be extremely sudden in a coordinated world like this.

People will loot and riot if they see the opportunity to do so. The recent UK riots are an example of that.
Need for food, clean water, fule etc are perfect reasons for people to go over the edge. The event doesnt happen gradually, its sudden. Someone hits the off switch.

escyos
May 23rd, 2012, 05:35 AM
They could still be heard from, (though the difficulty part is noted) and the local government of the city can still organize a meeting to gather the town together and discuss what's wrong.

First a politician would have to get to their building, meet with the other politicians, divide up tasks, get their aides to run these tasks out (its the city, there are no horse and carts roaming about). You'd need a large area to aspeak at, but then people too would need the means to get there, if they have to walk 15 km they probably won't bother, just send one person per street to find out and report back. Even then, the government would just have to say, keep calm. Thats all they can do.


If the gas pipes still work than you could use those and flames to ignite the stove and cook food. Additionally you can also create a fire to cook your food on if you've kept gasoline or matches (or more rarely, the ability to use flint rock to actually start fires)

I heard a story here at uni about a guy who, when the power was out just waited for it to come back on to eat. People are going to refuse to cook any other way and resort to stealing simple food from others. Yes we would make a fire and cook our meat, but we would have to cook it all and it wouldn't last too long after that.


This is why price tags exist; people need to know how much things cost, otherwise there'd be lots of instances where they'd bring the item to a cashier or a scanner just to know how much it would cost. though there'd be no way to figure out the global demand for prices during a blackout, he can still locally modify prices by changing the price tag; though unfairness does play some part here.

I understand if they didn't let people in but for not knowing how to know and add prices, doubtful. Riots usually start randomly, either out of anger or due to some issue where someone isn't getting the help they need and the people just join in because hey, if one guy is doing it, why can't we? I can't exactly pinpoint which riots become logical (as in for survival) or senseless (just random looting without any survival purpose whatsoever.) but the riot mentality exists.

Yes but the cashier is either tasked with walking to check the prices, writing down all the prices in the store and then have to manually add them up on the spot (the average person is terrible at such a thing) or just take the customers word on the price. The second people start having to pay $50/litre water they will get desperate, push each other and the riot has begun.


I still doubt that the blackout would cause them to loot and riot; unless there was something that drove them over the edge but that would have to be extremely sudden in a coordinated world like this.

In my hometown, a massive storm blew in and cut off the power, within seconds, people were knocking down an old security guard, grabbing food and running for it. People love getting something for nothing, and generally take the opportunity to do so.


An example of how the government/food stores would cease to work after long: A store is selling corn, they normally get in three crates on horse and cart taking two weeks between shipments, suddenly refugees, fleeing the bigger cities arrive, willing to sell their gold and other items for food. The store owner would need to wait four weeks for food, by then people have died of starvation. We rely on communication more than electricity to get things done, without it, we'd need to train a lots of messenger pigeons....unfortunately hungry people have eaten all the pigeons.

ZRFTS
May 23rd, 2012, 08:34 AM
You seem to think its the same as a simple power cut. My laptop, phone, MP3 player and everything else i own that runs on batteries, still work during a power cut. Cars and backup generators still work. Planes falling from the sky (living near an airport, thats something i'd notice) isnt something that happens during a power cut and anyone with half a brain could tell that something is seriously wrong if all that started happening; not simply believe it a local blackout.

Even if the people noticed the planes falling from the sky (which would be rare unless the area was a popular airplane destination), they would still think it's local. Hell they would even try to find out whether or not other cities have the same thing happening to them.



Less efficient? As with governments, they (emergency services, people in general etc) wouldnt know where to go to help, or what to help with. Nothing works.
That doesn't mean there are ways to help out, hence the reason why there are a equivalent amount of ways to help without using technology.



How are firemen to get to fires and put them out?
Without electricity there would be no lights, no lights means the ability to see natural light (especially stars) better, hence the ability to notice fires.

Or they could place up a tower and use signals; I mean people have used signals without electricity by using fire and mirrors...


How are hospitals going to function without any power? Especially at night.
They still have the supplies to do so, they just don't have the ability to detect a heartbeat or even do complex operational stuff. (making it much more difficult but not impossible.)



How are the police or military going to keep control when they have no way of knowing where the trouble is, or have the means to get there in anything close to reasonable time?
No electricity also means no noise therefore noises (especially riot noises) would be more noticeable to the police; and the police have the means, it's called running. Police are usually fast on their feat, not letting up until either the other person tires out or they do; which for the police officer is more rare.

Or they could borrow horses from the populace.

Same thing I said about the tower applies here.



Same goes for ambulances. They would probably kill to simply be "less efficient".
Or they could adapt to the situation and carry a medical kit that would support them for a few hours with quick fix surgery while they carried them to a hospital.



Governments can govern now because they have the means to do so, take away that means and they cease to govern.
So how did the governments govern in the olden days without technology and electricity? Saying that the government needs this stuff is an overstatement, I mean there are governments that don't even rely on technology.



How would you hear from them?
Making their voice as loud as possible, organizing meetings; they can still organize the populace and try to manage the situation you know.



Effective, efficient communication would be needed to organize such a meeting. The whole city or town (unless very small) wouldnt know of this meeting, and no one would know what was wrong. Local governments are useless enough already.
There is word of mouth and things such as posters and flyers; just because there isn't internet or radio or even TV doesn't mean there can't be a way to let people know about these meetings.

They don't need to know what's wrong, they just need to be reassured.




And what happens to the pipelines when SCADA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCADA) goes offline?
Pipeline operation. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pipeline_transport#Operation)
Manual operation? Surely they'd think of such a situation since the system is suspectable to power loses. (for both primary and backup)



How are people going to pay exactly? Withdraw money from the bank?
Yes, ATMs and Banks have cash and it may be less difficult if they kept some form of written account information with them; otherwise it's going to be difficult.

Cos they're gonna need cash, and lots of it.[/QUOTE]
Aware but still... they don't need that much cash.


Cards are no good anymore. Tills wont work either.
True for cash, not true for cash registers since the bottom part can be opened but calculations would have to be done on paper.



Riots and looting will ensue. Tempers will flare. People will want to "defend" there own and "protect" whats theirs. Mob rule.
I doubt that people would want to defend their own but you are right in that people will become agitated in this situation.



People will loot and riot if they see the opportunity to do so. The recent UK riots are an example of that.

Note when I say "over the edge", the LA riots happen because people were pissed off about the outcome of Rodney King, the UK riots happened because people were pissed off at their government, hell, they even rioted when the Lakers won.

Riots start when something sets them over the edge, makes the entire group of people disregard everything and just do whatever they want whether it's organized or not.



Need for food, clean water, fule etc are perfect reasons for people to go over the edge. The event doesnt happen gradually, its sudden. Someone hits the off switch.

That's true, but what I think will cause the riot will be one person complaining about the price and stock and then throwing an item and the entire group joining along; agitation causes riots and like I said before, they wouldn't riot suddenly if a sudden event happened; it has to build up to the point where tensions are high enough to cause riots.

Ukko
May 24th, 2012, 01:15 AM
Even if the people noticed the planes falling from the sky (which would be rare unless the area was a popular airplane destination), they would still think it's local. Hell they would even try to find out whether or not other cities have the same thing happening to them.

Rare?!?! There has been one and only one time when i can remember there not being any planes in the sky. And that was Iceland's fault. Planes are always flying overhead; anyone who thinks them falling from the sky is simply a local problem, is a fool.



That doesn't mean there are ways to help out, hence the reason why there are a equivalent amount of ways to help without using technology.

Hehe.:p


Without electricity there would be no lights, no lights means the ability to see natural light (especially stars) better, hence the ability to notice fires.


Or they could place up a tower and use signals; I mean people have used signals without electricity by using fire and mirrors...

And push their fire engines there.


They still have the supplies to do so, they just don't have the ability to detect a heartbeat or even do complex operational stuff. (making it much more difficult but not impossible.)

And when all those supplies have been used on all the folks in the actual hospital who's lives are suddenly in danger when all the machines blink out (that would be their primary concern)? They take placebos to the rest of us?



No electricity also means no noise therefore noises (especially riot noises) would be more noticeable to the police; and the police have the means, it's called running. Police are usually fast on their feat, not letting up until either the other person tires out or they do; which for the police officer is more rare.

Or they could borrow horses from the populace.

Running. They can get there in time to see empty shops and burned out buildings. Police dont run miles in their riot gear. As for the military, it'd be interesting to see how they manage to get half our armed forces back from the desert.

You seem to think every one in the military or police can ride, that all the horse around are trained for riot situations and that there are enough horse to go around. The horse owners might be inclined to keep them for themselves to use.


Or they could adapt to the situation and carry a medical kit that would support them for a few hours with quick fix surgery while they carried them to a hospital.

Lets hope no one needs help at night, or requires anything remotly complicated.


So how did the governments govern in the olden days without technology and electricity? Saying that the government needs this stuff is an overstatement, I mean there are governments that don't even rely on technology.

From Wiki.
Year Population
1625- 1,980
1641- 50,000
1688- 200,000
1702- 270,000
1715- 435,000
1749- 1,000,000
1754- 1,500,000
1765- 2,200,000
1775- 2,400,000

The "olden days" cant be compared to today's 300 million people living in a fully industrialised and mechanised society. Today's government definitely does need this stuff.


Making their voice as loud as possible, organizing meetings; they can still organize the populace and try to manage the situation you know.

Shouting in a city full of frightened, panicked people. Useful.



There is word of mouth and things such as posters and flyers; just because there isn't internet or radio or even TV doesn't mean there can't be a way to let people know about these meetings.

Posters and flyers? Maybe in a small village.


They don't need to know what's wrong, they just need to be reassured.

Reassured by who? No one knows whats going on.


Manual operation? Surely they'd think of such a situation since the system is suspectable to power loses. (for both primary and backup)

Wasnt in the article. What about all the electronic locks and security?


Yes, ATMs and Banks have cash and it may be less difficult if they kept some form of written account information with them; otherwise it's going to be difficult.

You need to be able to get at the money in the banks vaults and ATM's. All the electronic security, key cards and what not.



Aware but still... they don't need that much cash.

If they want to stock up on food and water they do.



I doubt that people would want to defend their own but you are right in that people will become agitated in this situation.

Agitated, frightened, angry, looking for someone to blame (i can see idiots turning on Muslim neighbours), an us and them mentality.


Note when I say "over the edge", the LA riots happen because people were pissed off about the outcome of Rodney King, the UK riots happened because people were pissed off at their government, hell, they even rioted when the Lakers won.

The UK riots happened because idiots saw an opportunity and jumped on a bandwagon.


Riots start when something sets them over the edge, makes the entire group of people disregard everything and just do whatever they want whether it's organized or not.

It takes very little to set people over the edge.


That's true, but what I think will cause the riot will be one person complaining about the price and stock and then throwing an item and the entire group joining along; agitation causes riots and like I said before, they wouldn't riot suddenly if a sudden event happened; it has to build up to the point where tensions are high enough to cause riots.

Some would, and thats all it takes.

escyos
May 24th, 2012, 06:31 AM
I think that people wont want to simply move back and start farming, people will form gangs and take what they want. There is nothing that any government could do, if they wanted the army they would have to send someone to get them, and by the time they managed to walk/ride back, it could all be over. Two police officers in a riot cannot call for backup, they would have no chance.


Also: Revolution Wiki (http://en.revolution-wiki.com/wiki/Revolution_Wiki) moved the wiki to its own home.

Sp!der
May 24th, 2012, 07:41 AM
Ok... So Tim guinee will play in the second season of homeland as well.. courious on how it will conflict it with revolution :D

LtColCarter
May 24th, 2012, 11:21 AM
Saw a preview for this...looks interesting.

the fifth man
May 24th, 2012, 05:00 PM
Saw a preview for this...looks interesting.

I certainly think so too. I will definitely give this show a fair shot to impress me.

ZRFTS
May 24th, 2012, 05:13 PM
First a politician would have to get to their building, meet with the other politicians, divide up tasks, get their aides to run these tasks out (its the city, there are no horse and carts roaming about).
Noted and this is where the difficulty part comes in but some places contain horses and there are bikes that they can use. (I can't believe I've forgotten about the bikes, the most simplistic transportation method yet.)


You'd need a large area to aspeak at, but then people too would need the means to get there, if they have to walk 15 km they probably won't bother, just send one person per street to find out and report back.
I have walked 15 km (or 9 miles in US terms), there isn't any reason they can't do it though I would put less doubt into their unwillingness to do anything; there's nothing to do for them at home, they'd be standing around hopelessly and incidents usually bring out the most willing of aspects (such as the ability to do anything) so people will probably be willing to walk 15 miles if they don't have a bike or horse to take them there.



I heard a story here at uni about a guy who, when the power was out just waited for it to come back on to eat. People are going to refuse to cook any other way and resort to stealing simple food from others.
They're going to refuse because they're unwilling of going back to the olden ways; something which I think humanity is capable of doing. I'm guessing the people behind Revolution thought the same way and thus gave the perception that humanity is so addicted to technology in the first scenes of the trailer.


Yes we would make a fire and cook our meat, but we would have to cook it all and it wouldn't last too long after that.
You wouldn't have to cook all of your meat, you'd just have to make sure that your meat remains cold for as long as the environment where the meat is in remains cold, that means not leaving the door open for long amounts of time and having an organized fridge where you can easily reach anything that you want.

Certain types of wood are reignitable and if we don't have those then certainly we'd have plenty of wood to start a fire around.



Yes but the cashier is either tasked with walking to check the prices, writing down all the prices in the store and then have to manually add them up on the spot (the average person is terrible at such a thing)
This is the reason why stores have aisles and the reason organization exists, if everything is unorganized and in one isle then not only would the cashiers have trouble but so would the customers; and the trusty pad and pencil is the most reliable thing humanity has to add prices.



or just take the customers word on the price. The second people start having to pay $50/litre water they will get desperate, push each other and the riot has begun.
Noted.



In my hometown, a massive storm blew in and cut off the power, within seconds, people were knocking down an old security guard, grabbing food and running for it. People love getting something for nothing, and generally take the opportunity to do so.
I still think people would unite together in a situation like this, I mean if everybody started rioting then it would lead them nowhere and they'd be in a worse predicament then they were now. Sure, they'll be idiots but the bond of a community is stronger then a bunch of rioters.



An example of how the government/food stores would cease to work after long: A store is selling corn, they normally get in three crates on horse and cart taking two weeks between shipments, suddenly refugees, fleeing the bigger cities arrive, willing to sell their gold and other items for food. The store owner would need to wait four weeks for food, by then people have died of starvation. We rely on communication more than electricity to get things done, without it, we'd need to train a lots of messenger pigeons....unfortunately hungry people have eaten all the pigeons.

Well we have smoke signals, we have glare signals, we have the pony express, we have propulsion trains; we have ways to communicate that even though aren't as efficient as modern times, are still efficient enough.


Rare?!?! There has been one and only one time when i can remember there not being any planes in the sky. And that was Iceland's fault. Planes are always flying overhead; anyone who thinks them falling from the sky is simply a local problem, is a fool.
Where I live I barely see airplanes flying over, and I live near an international airport. For the public to think of planes flying out of the sky as a global event, there'd have to be the same number as the ones shown in the Revolution trailer (note, there were 6-7 planes up there all mostly close to each other.); otherwise one or two planes flying from the sky will be counted as a local event.



And push their fire engines there.
No, I doubt they'd push their fire engines there, all they'd need to carry is a pump to get the water, a really tall ladder and something to get them to the area quickly.



And when all those supplies have been used on all the folks in the actual hospital who's lives are suddenly in danger when all the machines blink out (that would be their primary concern)? They take placebos to the rest of us?
Medical science (and teaching) does not exclude herbal or natural treatments, if all of the pills (from major pharmaceutical companies) are used up then they can simply switch to stuff used from natural sources; additionally, the stuff that they use to sedate and disinfect also come naturally; such as alcohol. Plants have managed to serve many purposes for many years, I doubt they'd fail us when it comes to incidents like this.


Running. They can get there in time to see empty shops and burned out buildings. Police dont run miles in their riot gear.
But they still run, the best police officers manage to go on for miles just running; I have yet to see a top police officer run out of breath before the perk does.


As for the military, it'd be interesting to see how they manage to get half our armed forces back from the desert.
Easy, just send people to their bases and round them up (depending on whether or not their training includes the location of the base.) or send a hanglider and drop smoke flares on the locations where troops are found.



You seem to think every one in the military or police can ride, that all the horse around are trained for riot situations and that there are enough horse to go around.
Well they can ride them; I didn't say they'd be use for riot situations, just transportation only and horses are the same as cars, there are a limited amount of them unless they managed to create a horse breeding factory similar to a car manufacturing factory.



The horse owners might be inclined to keep them for themselves to use.
I have kept that in mind and anything might go their way, including questionable decisions which might harm rather then help.



Lets hope no one needs help at night
I know they can't be seen or it'd be tough to operate at night but it isn't a downside considering natrual sources of light and seeking help exist.



or requires anything remotly complicated.
Doctors have done complicated operations without machinery, it is possible but a lot harder without cameras to pinpoint, machines to detect heartbeats, drills to drill things (mechanical drills require a lot of work I admit) and an electrical shock machine to restart the heartbeat. It's not impossible but it's a lot harder to do.



The "olden days" cant be compared to today's 300 million people living in a fully industrialised and mechanised society.

The late 1800's had mechanized technology but certainly not to the level where it's fully advanced and automated (electricity was barely used in those days and communication still got through just fine.)

Early 1900's had gotten farther but it wasn't to the point where it revolutionized communications, people did just fine with what they had which were early radios, the mail system and signals.



Today's government definitely does need this stuff.
No they don't, they need it because it's easier; not because it's more efficient. I guess human nature will always abandon a typewriter for a modern top-of-the-line computer.



Shouting in a city full of frightened, panicked people. Useful.
They're not going to get more panicked if they hear yelling, just if they aren't reassured. (and that's considering the aftermath of the incident; not the initial start of it.)



Posters and flyers? Maybe in a small village.
I've seem them in a city and though they may be more efficient ways of communication, posters and flyers always seem to work out no matter what the size



Reassured by who? No one knows whats going on.
The city officials, they may not know what's going on but the public would love to hear that the officials will do everything that they can to manage the situation and to find out what's going on; and they'd also love to see it done too. (because the worst of incidents have always been managed by the government of the city, the quality of the management of the situation does vary though.



Wasnt in the article. What about all the electronic locks and security?
No fool would completely rely on electronic locks and security, what if a hacker from China comes in and messes up the entire system with a couple of keystrokes or what if both of the power systems fail (there is a chance that the secondary backup system could fail.); people would be complaining up the wazzo if there as a total system failure so there would have to be an analogue backup that can allow for manual operation of the system.



You need to be able to get at the money in the banks vaults and ATM's. All the electronic security, key cards and what not.
Again, not everything is fully electronically protected. (hence the reason we still have guards at the bank) and I've seen ATM's without any form of electronic security, just a really strong key lock that only the most experienced of lockpickers can pick.



If they want to stock up on food and water they do.
While the people who want to stock up on everything need tons of money, the people who think the situation is normal (which it will become over time) will use a normal amount of money; it seems mostly crazy to carry around loads of money because of the situation at hand. (unless the people who thought it was the end of the world outnumbered the normal and sane people.)



Agitated, frightened, angry, looking for someone to blame (i can see idiots turning on Muslim neighbours), an us and them mentality.
I'd doubt they'd be angry or looking for someone to blame but they would be agitated and frightened due to factors such as lack of electricity, lack of response, uncertainty and various changes they would have to make to their lives.

escyos
May 24th, 2012, 09:45 PM
Noted and this is where the difficulty part comes in but some places contain horses and there are bikes that they can use. (I can't believe I've forgotten about the bikes, the most simplistic transportation method yet.)

In the middle of a city, there are no horses. Bikes can be used but not everyone has a bike.


I have walked 15 km (or 9 miles in US terms), there isn't any reason they can't do it though I would put less doubt into their unwillingness to do anything; there's nothing to do for them at home, they'd be standing around hopelessly and incidents usually bring out the most willing of aspects (such as the ability to do anything) so people will probably be willing to walk 15 miles if they don't have a bike or horse to take them there.

Yes but if you walked 15 km and were told that the power is out everywhere as far as they knew and told you to just look after yourself and go home you would get a little pissed off and demand to be given food or water for you trouble in coming in. And a few days later if asked to walk back in to hear the same thing you would just give up.


They're going to refuse because they're unwilling of going back to the olden ways; something which I think humanity is capable of doing. I'm guessing the people behind Revolution thought the same way and thus gave the perception that humanity is so addicted to technology in the first scenes of the trailer.

Yes because how often is the power out for weeks at a time? Never, people will just lay back and wait for something to happen.


You wouldn't have to cook all of your meat, you'd just have to make sure that your meat remains cold for as long as the environment where the meat is in remains cold, that means not leaving the door open for long amounts of time and having an organized fridge where you can easily reach anything that you want.

Perhaps, but lots of people would assume that their fridge or freezer would get warm very quickly and would cook things that needed to be cooked right away.



This is the reason why stores have aisles and the reason organization exists, if everything is unorganized and in one isle then not only would the cashiers have trouble but so would the customers; and the trusty pad and pencil is the most reliable thing humanity has to add prices.

Yes but if you go into a supermarket, they have thousands of items with different prices, you would need to write out EVERY price numerous times and give a copy to each cashier. Aisles and organization mean nothing if you need to look at each price individually. And someone would make a mistake and then get yelled at, claiming the price was something else.


I still think people would unite together in a situation like this, I mean if everybody started rioting then it would lead them nowhere and they'd be in a worse predicament then they were now. Sure, they'll be idiots but the bond of a community is stronger then a bunch of rioters.

Its called 'Panic'. People do stupid things when panicked. If you were told that food is low and you may not get some, you would panic a bit and when a riot breaks out, are you just going to let them take all the food and you have none?


Well we have smoke signals, we have glare signals, we have the pony express, we have propulsion trains; we have ways to communicate that even though aren't as efficient as modern times, are still efficient enough.

The average person wouldn't notice smoke or glare signals. Also if a cop showed up on a horse, would you immediately assume that they are a cop? Not sure what a propulsion train is, but there are few trains that don't operate on electricity still around and the ones that are arent on tracks. Plus the older ones have different gauges for the tracks and wont fit.

Yes people would eventually figure things out and get along, but not for a while and there would be tonnes of damage, a fire that breaks out in a city, does not have the benefit of being able of being put out by firemen as they cannot get their trucks to the fire or use electric pumps. Police cannot call for backup as their is no radio. Stores cannot order things in as their is no phone or internet. Governments would lose their power instantly, yes if they are properly organised then they could get things running eventually, but the damage would be too great for them to fix it.

ZRFTS
May 25th, 2012, 12:37 PM
In the middle of a city, there are no horses. Bikes can be used but not everyone has a bike.
A big urban city maybe but still... Keep in mind that bikes are cheaper, don't require a license to drive and though may be slower can get you anywhere as long as stamina is concerned. IMO I think there are more people with bikes then there are with cars.



Yes but if you walked 15 km and were told that the power is out everywhere as far as they knew and told you to just look after yourself and go home you would get a little pissed off and demand to be given food or water for you trouble in coming in. And a few days later if asked to walk back in to hear the same thing you would just give up.
I doubt that the government of a city would actually forsake the efforts the people went to get here, if they did that then there wouldn't be any sort of order. The government would probably try to institute plans to ration the food, make sure everybody gets proper education, make sure the streets are safe and make sure that temporary shelters for those who walked 15km are avaliable; they wouldn't stick with the whole "look after yourself, stay home" thing twice, that wouldn't get them anywhere.



Yes because how often is the power out for weeks at a time? Never, people will just lay back and wait for something to happen.
If those people just lay back and wait then they're fools, and those who continue to wait while everybody has adapted are just tricking themselves. I understand what you're going for but I doubt people would just lay back and wait, human subconsciousness won't easily let them do that.



Perhaps, but lots of people would assume that their fridge or freezer would get warm very quickly and would cook things that needed to be cooked right away.
This is why stuff like science and math is taught in schools, so we can understand how things work and be able to solve problems in life. Take for instance the freezer, it can retain it's internal temperature for some while because the molecules in there are speeding up (ie getting hotter) at a slower rate; introduce some particles from an outside environment and it speeds up even more (ie gets hot even faster) hence why we have to move quickly when deciding what to get out of the freezer. If people don't realize that anything that's self contained can retain anything (temperature, oxygen, chemicals, etc.) then how will they get anywhere in life?


Yes but if you go into a supermarket, they have thousands of items with different prices, you would need to write out EVERY price numerous times and give a copy to each cashier. Aisles and organization mean nothing if you need to look at each price individually. And someone would make a mistake and then get yelled at, claiming the price was something else.

You can write down every price then replicate everything on an analog typewriter since all you have to do is type down the keys and though it may be hard to explain, the way of organization can help and people themselves can find ways to manage taking down all of the individual prices. Think of it this way, if someone is buying peas then the cashier can look under canned goods, vegetables, peas and find what they're looking for; I mean the only thing that costs different is the different brands, it would be easier if they managed to eliminate brands to a point where everything is streamlined but since brands would still exist in the blackout, it'd be harder.



Its called 'Panic'. People do stupid things when panicked. If you were told that food is low and you may not get some, you would panic a bit and when a riot breaks out, are you just going to let them take all the food and you have none?
Naturally yes but still...



The average person wouldn't notice smoke or glare signals.
They could be taught; I mean we still have tons of information on paper books and once they realize nothing will work, they'll have to adapt.


Also if a cop showed up on a horse, would you immediately assume that they are a cop?
Yes...


Not sure what a propulsion train is
Apologies, I was thinking about a train that requires manual labor to operate.


but there are few trains that don't operate on electricity still around and the ones that are arent on tracks. Plus the older ones have different gauges for the tracks and wont fit.
That doesn't mean they can't put those trains back into service or even resume making those trains; they're mostly compatible with those train tracks to an extent and there are books on how to operate a steam engine train, it's not like the Amtrak trains are thinner then the current steam engine trains.


Yes people would eventually figure things out and get along, but not for a while and there would be tonnes of damage, a fire that breaks out in a city, does not have the benefit of being able of being put out by firemen as they cannot get their trucks to the fire or use electric pumps.
Why would they need to get their trucks, as I said before, a ladder, hose and manual pump would do just fine; the method of transportation is in question but they don't need trucks to get them there or put out a fire.


Police cannot call for backup as their is no radio.
Noted but they can quickly learn to bring additional backup just in case like the old days.


Stores cannot order things in as their is no phone or internet.
There is mail, I don't know of stores that still use mail to order things but mail can be used to order things.


Governments would lose their power instantly, yes if they are properly organised then they could get things running eventually, but the damage would be too great for them to fix it.
No they wouldn't, they would lose the technology but they wouldn't lose the power (especially not because fire departments and stories rely so much on phones, internet and trucks and can't adapt to different situations.); the only thing they have to worry about is finding ways to adapt to the old times but still managing to be efficient.

Personally if I were the government I would just be starting at my powered-off HDTV waiting for the power to suddenly come back on so I can resume watching that Bugs Bunny cartoon I was watching at the time it went off, because what else would I do?

escyos
May 25th, 2012, 06:08 PM
There is one thing that is overlooked though - its a tv show where such a thing happens, therefore in the show's reality, it can happen.

ZRFTS
May 25th, 2012, 11:24 PM
There is one thing that is overlooked though - its a tv show where such a thing happens, therefore in the show's reality, it can happen.

Yes... The entire electricity turning off can happen in a show (or a show's reality) but stuff like the stuff a people do in the initial hours of the blackout can't be easily justified as simply being a part of the show's reality. From what I've seen on the trailer, they did make it seem like everything would collapse just so they could create the show's reality but I doubt they would completely ignore human nature to such a point where it'd seem like they'd be incapable of working together or even adapting to new situations quickly.

knowles2
May 26th, 2012, 02:38 AM
There is one thing that is overlooked though - its a tv show where such a thing happens, therefore in the show's reality, it can happen.

That just sound like an excuse for lazy, unoriginal writing.

escyos
May 26th, 2012, 08:14 PM
That just sound like an excuse for lazy, unoriginal writing.

For the sake of writing you sometimes need to just get things out of the way. As TV fans we always want our shows to expand on details but writers do not think that way. Writers have time and budget to worth beneath so they can't go all out or the show will fail and they will be fired.

ZRFTS
May 26th, 2012, 11:32 PM
For the sake of writing you sometimes need to just get things out of the way.
It's not the sake of writing, it's the producers worrying whether or not the audience will understand the intended vision. (because subtly doesn't play out well in today's environment.)


As TV fans we always want our shows to expand on details but writers do not think that way.
Writers think about expanding details, but not visual details. Character details, plot details, mythology details, those details that make for compelling entertainment and are one of the things that makes writing so interesting to do.


Writers have time and budget to worth beneath
Writers have time but they don't have budget, what they have to worry about is getting compensation for the scripts that they've written; not if they can add certain details. Those things belong solely to the production team.


so they can't go all out or the show will fail and they will be fired.
They can go all out, it's just that the production team would level what's considered going out due to factors such as budget, the capability of the visual effects, how much effort it would take for them to do a specific shot; the writers only limit is their imagination, producers are reality.

However, as much as writers are captivated by what's in they're mind, they're also motivated by lazyness to just create a script with characters that sprout out generic dialog and don't have much of a personality as they seem to have. They can create a script which gives shoddy explanations to what happened after the blackout and create a contrived storyline that involves over-the-top fights and secret groups and they can still get paid, and that's the problem. The writers aren't as invested in the show and that's translating to the shoddiness of the show despite the huge production values thanks to J.J. Abrams.

escyos
May 27th, 2012, 03:13 AM
It's not the sake of writing, it's the producers worrying whether or not the audience will understand the intended vision. (because subtly doesn't play out well in today's environment.)


Writers think about expanding details, but not visual details. Character details, plot details, mythology details, those details that make for compelling entertainment and are one of the things that makes writing so interesting to do.


Writers have time but they don't have budget, what they have to worry about is getting compensation for the scripts that they've written; not if they can add certain details. Those things belong solely to the production team.


They can go all out, it's just that the production team would level what's considered going out due to factors such as budget, the capability of the visual effects, how much effort it would take for them to do a specific shot; the writers only limit is their imagination, producers are reality.

However, as much as writers are captivated by what's in they're mind, they're also motivated by lazyness to just create a script with characters that sprout out generic dialog and don't have much of a personality as they seem to have. They can create a script which gives shoddy explanations to what happened after the blackout and create a contrived storyline that involves over-the-top fights and secret groups and they can still get paid, and that's the problem. The writers aren't as invested in the show and that's translating to the shoddiness of the show despite the huge production values thanks to J.J. Abrams.

If you go into details in every episode then you run out of material in short time - divide 20 by 1 and you get 20, divide 20 by 7 and you barely get 3.

knowles2
May 27th, 2012, 04:45 AM
It's not the sake of writing, it's the producers worrying whether or not the audience will understand the intended vision. (because subtly doesn't play out well in today's environment.)


Writers think about expanding details, but not visual details. Character details, plot details, mythology details, those details that make for compelling entertainment and are one of the things that makes writing so interesting to do.


Writers have time but they don't have budget, what they have to worry about is getting compensation for the scripts that they've written; not if they can add certain details. Those things belong solely to the production team.


They can go all out, it's just that the production team would level what's considered going out due to factors such as budget, the capability of the visual effects, how much effort it would take for them to do a specific shot; the writers only limit is their imagination, producers are reality.

However, as much as writers are captivated by what's in they're mind, they're also motivated by lazyness to just create a script with characters that sprout out generic dialog and don't have much of a personality as they seem to have. They can create a script which gives shoddy explanations to what happened after the blackout and create a contrived storyline that involves over-the-top fights and secret groups and they can still get paid, and that's the problem. The writers aren't as invested in the show and that's translating to the shoddiness of the show despite the huge production values thanks to J.J. Abrams.
I agree with your comment, but also disagree with subtly not being understood by today audiences, but it is extemely difficult to subtle well as it require good writing, good acting, good production crew to do it well. When it is done well, it is lap up by the audience, Homeland, The Killing are two good example of subtly being done well.

The thing is you do not have to go far to find good writing, good dialog and even original stories and even a bit of subtly, the cable channels seem to handle those things well, which is why they are winning all of the plaudits and getting all the critics attention. Plus a lot of those shows, the writers are often heavily involve with the production side of things (as use to be the case with the Walking Dead) and do not have to go to the network execs as often as they seem they have do when working on network television.

I also think Scandinavian tv does subtly extremely well, with very limited budget and they are bringing the audience numbers to.



For the sake of writing you sometimes need to just get things out of the way. As TV fans we always want our shows to expand on details but writers do not think that way. Writers have time and budget to worth beneath so they can't go all out or the show will fail and they will be fired.

An yet if they write generic storyline that most us have seen many time before, with over the top action scenes, generic characters, the show will fell anyway and they will be unemployed.

I understand the need for working within a budget, but this show has the budget to bring planes out of the sky(in a way that is only possible unless it was hit with a missile or another huge explosions, and not a power failure or even an electrical overload), run down CGI cities with vegetation, huge over the top fight scenes, it clear that this programme has plenty of money to work with.

Relying less on action scenes and more on dialogue and scenes showing a slow decay of society led mainly by failure of leaders reacting to the incident in the correct way rather than people just going crazy without electricity would be a lot cheaper to do than what we have seen them produce in the trailer.

Ukko
May 27th, 2012, 06:34 AM
Wasnt going to come back in here, circles and walls give me a headache.



The thing is you do not have to go far to find good writing, good dialog and even original stories and even a bit of subtly, the cable channels seem to handle those things well, which is why they are winning all of the plaudits and getting all the critics attention. Plus a lot of those shows, the writers are often heavily involve with the production side of things (as use to be the case with the Walking Dead) and do not have to go to the network execs as often as they seem they have do when working on network television.

Group of people surviving after zombie apocalypse is not an original story. And its funny how you accept the complete destruction of society/civilisation in the few weeks the MC was in hospital, but not the fifteen years in revolution...


I also think Scandinavian tv does subtly extremely well, with very limited budget and they are bringing the audience numbers to.

Detective stories/thrillers. Original...



An yet if they write generic storyline that most us have seen many time before, with over the top action scenes, generic characters, the show will fell anyway and they will be unemployed.

You've seen the whole show then? Not just a 4 minute trailer?

Huge over the top fight scenes? We saw one fight seen, that looked to last only a minute...Which is actually more realistic than the long drawn out fight scenes you tend to get in films and TV.


I understand the need for working within a budget, but this show has the budget to bring planes out of the sky(in a way that is only possible unless it was hit with a missile or another huge explosions, and not a power failure or even an electrical overload), run down CGI cities with vegetation, huge over the top fight scenes, it clear that this programme has plenty of money to work with.


Oh, and
Here. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spin_%28flight%29)
Here. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiral_dive#Spiral_mode)
;)



Relying less on action scenes and more on dialogue and scenes showing a slow decay of society led mainly by failure of leaders reacting to the incident in the correct way rather than people just going crazy without electricity would be a lot cheaper to do than what we have seen them produce in the trailer.

About 90% of the trailer was dialogue, we saw hardly any action. And please show me where in the trailer people were "going crazy without electricity".
Please, before makeing unfounded claims, jumping to conclusions and just being plain wrong; how about actually watching the show first? Makes sense, no?

ZRFTS
May 27th, 2012, 11:48 PM
but also disagree with subtly not being understood by today audiences, but it is extemely difficult to subtle well as it require good writing, good acting, good production crew to do it well. When it is done well, it is lap up by the audience, Homeland, The Killing are two good example of subtly being done well.
I have to agree but the network execs and producers of certain shows don't seem to understand this; they worry constantly about whether or not people will get it, whether or not if they make it subtle then people won't understand (even if it's a little bit of subtly.) to the point where it affects the show. Personally if I were the execs and producers of certain shows then I'd take risks when it comes to subtly; after all, doesn't network TV need something really risque nowadays?



The thing is you do not have to go far to find good writing, good dialog and even original stories and even a bit of subtly, the cable channels seem to handle those things well, which is why they are winning all of the plaudits and getting all the critics attention. Plus a lot of those shows, the writers are often heavily involve with the production side of things (as use to be the case with the Walking Dead) and do not have to go to the network execs as often as they seem they have do when working on network television.
I have to agree, certain cable shows are good. There are faults within cable (most TBS and Syfy shows) but cable is becoming the place to find quality series; funny thing is, even though there are quality series on cable, it doesn't seem to be worth it to pay for cable... Since more people are turning to network TV, the quality of new series is going to be more subjective in my opinion; Lost managed to be revolutionary on network TV, why can't "Revolution" be a revolution?


Group of people surviving after zombie apocalypse is not an original story. And its funny how you accept the complete destruction of society/civilisation in the few weeks the MC was in hospital, but not the fifteen years in revolution...
It's not an original concept but the stories that manage to come out of it is original; the best writers can take an unoriginal concept and make it fresh and new again with involving characters and dialog, something which Revolution can't seem to do despite it's somewhat original idea.


Huge over the top fight scenes? We saw one fight seen, that looked to last only a minute...Which is actually more realistic than the long drawn out fight scenes you tend to get in films and TV.
That guy looked like he was doing acrobatics reminiscent of the Star Wars prequels; realistic is when something is done in a way that doesn't break the barrier of impossibility, what he did was something I'd need dance training and wires to pull off.



Oh, and
Here. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spin_%28flight%29)
Here. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiral_dive#Spiral_mode)
;)

Those articles are good and all but can they actually describe how an airplane spins around without actually panning down. (notice how the airplanes remained straight during the time they spinned) I couldn't figure out any way to make a spin like that happen since the airplanes yaw and all that, there'd have to be breaking of major rules in order for that plane to spin like that.



About 90% of the trailer was dialogue, we saw hardly any action.
Put it down!
Take it, and don't show it to anyone.
He told me to go to Chicago, to find my father.

That type of dialog is sure to make me interested in the series, and the action; there were tons of scenes that were dank and just designed for action, especially when it's in a building with mainly white and brownish contours.

Ukko
May 28th, 2012, 01:31 AM
It's not an original concept but the stories that manage to come out of it is original; the best writers can take an unoriginal concept and make it fresh and new again with involving characters and dialog, something which Revolution can't seem to do despite it's somewhat original idea.

Another one who has seen the show already. The rest of us must exist in the past.



That guy looked like he was doing acrobatics reminiscent of the Star Wars prequels; realistic is when something is done in a way that doesn't break the barrier of impossibility, what he did was something I'd need dance training and wires to pull off.

Reminded me of Syrio talking on multiple armed and armoured men with a wooden sword in GoT. No complaints about that?
And i was talking the length of the fight, not the choreography.



Those articles are good and all but can they actually describe how an airplane spins around without actually panning down. (notice how the airplanes remained straight during the time they spinned) I couldn't figure out any way to make a spin like that happen since the airplanes yaw and all that, there'd have to be breaking of major rules in order for that plane to spin like that.

The planes nose is pointed down. And those articles were more to refute knowles nonsense claim.




Put it down!
Take it, and don't show it to anyone.
He told me to go to Chicago, to find my father.

That type of dialog is sure to make me interested in the series, and the action; there were tons of scenes that were dank and just designed for action, especially when it's in a building with mainly white and brownish contours.

Yep, there were only three lines of dialogue in the trailer.

Ukko
May 28th, 2012, 01:32 AM
Reposting the trailer since the original doesnt seem to be working anymore (for me anyway).


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veEncs3h6aM

ZRFTS
May 28th, 2012, 01:20 PM
Another one who has seen the show already. The rest of us must exist in the past.
The trailer tells me mostly everything about the show, contrived concept, world, characters, over-the-top theatrics; I'll be surprised if I actually like it when it actually airs because what I've seen screams overrated before the show even aired.


And i was talking the length of the fight, not the choreography.
Still, it's extravagant and unnecessarily flashy.


The planes nose is pointed down. And those articles were more to refute knowles nonsense claim.

Really now... There was a split second where the plane was straight in the trailer.

Picture indicating angle of descent, red line indicating angle of decent itself. (http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/3707/revolutionrateofdescent.jpg)

If it were to be spinning it's nose would have to be a considerable distance down, something which the Revolution people overlooked.



Yep, there were only three lines of dialogue in the trailer.
Those lines of dialog and the way they're delivered are representative of the quality of the series, overdramatic, cliched and somewhat dull.

And this is from the guy who brought us Lost, Star Trek, Fringe and Super 8 no less.

LtColCarter
May 28th, 2012, 07:52 PM
Reposting the trailer since the original doesnt seem to be working anymore (for me anyway).


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veEncs3h6aM

This one didn't work either. I had to watch it on YouTube.

Ukko
May 28th, 2012, 11:41 PM
The trailer tells me mostly everything about the show, contrived concept, world, characters, over-the-top theatrics; I'll be surprised if I actually like it when it actually airs because what I've seen screams overrated before the show even aired.

So, is it a contrived concept or somewhat original?
You know bugger all about the characters or the world.


Still, it's extravagant and unnecessarily flashy.

All TV fights are. Real fights end up on the ground in a ball of fists or are over in seconds. I notice you ignore GoT doing it...

And it wasnt very flashy.


Really now... There was a split second where the plane was straight in the trailer.

Picture indicating angle of descent, red line indicating angle of decent itself. (http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/3707/revolutionrateofdescent.jpg)

If it were to be spinning it's nose would have to be a considerable distance down, something which the Revolution people overlooked.

Of course it was flat before angled down.

Read the articles, the nose doesnt have to be a "considerable distance down".



Those lines of dialog and the way they're delivered are representative of the quality of the series, overdramatic, cliched and somewhat dull.

And this is from the guy who brought us Lost, Star Trek, Fringe and Super 8 no less.

The only line in there that could be considered cliche is "cant trust anyone". Overdramatic? Sometimes i think people throw out these words and phrases in an attempt to to give their opinions a weight they would otherwise lack. The irony being though, that the whole post is practically one big cliche; i would even say that the word cliche has itself become cliche.


This one didn't work either. I had to watch it on YouTube.

Ah well, at least you get to watch it. The other one doesnt work either way.:p

ZRFTS
May 29th, 2012, 11:47 AM
So, is it a contrived concept or somewhat original?
Both; somewhat original because it involves the zapping of electricity and contrived because it relies on the whole overgrowth thing, cities being abandoned, governments falling, milita's, secret conspiracies and the whole journey with other people thing.



You know bugger all about the characters or the world.
I know that the characters have to be interesting and the world at least has to be unique.



All TV fights are. Real fights end up on the ground in a ball of fists or are over in seconds. I notice you ignore GoT doing it...

And it wasnt very flashy.

I couldn't do stuff like that unless I had a cape, a really fancy sword and the appropriate lighting, of course it was flashy.

Noted that all TV fights are like that but this just seems constructed to be as extravagant as possible. And I haven't watched GoT yet; when I do, I'll be sure to include what I see in my posts.



Of course it was flat before angled down.

Read the articles, the nose doesnt have to be a "considerable distance down".
Yes but how can the plane (especially a jetliner) spin and dive at the same time when there's nothing to make it spin and there's nothing to make it fall like a brick so suddenly. I'm not doubting a spin like that could happen, I'm just doubting the spin shown in the show (especially when it's a jetliner.)



The only line in there that could be considered cliche is "cant trust anyone". Overdramatic? Sometimes i think people throw out these words and phrases in an attempt to to give their opinions a weight they would otherwise lack.
Watch the trailer and just look at the way they act, just look at the way they do stuff; they don't seem like real characters, they seem more like people sprouting out lines while giving a subtle hint of emotion that wouldn't matter in a character and the way they do stuff, it just seems like they're trying to be as cool as possible without the show even calling for it. Stuff like pulling a character's hand, saying "milita huh" and then pulling it back is an example of this.

Again, this is from J.J. Abrams.

knowles2
May 29th, 2012, 04:00 PM
Both; somewhat original because it involves the zapping of electricity and contrived because it relies on the whole overgrowth thing, cities being abandoned, governments falling, milita's, secret conspiracies and the whole journey with other people thing.


I know that the characters have to be interesting and the world at least has to be unique.


I couldn't do stuff like that unless I had a cape, a really fancy sword and the appropriate lighting, of course it was flashy.

[QUOTE]Noted that all TV fights are like that but this just seems constructed to be as extravagant as possible. And I haven't watched GoT yet; when I do, I'll be sure to include what I see in my posts.



Yes but how can the plane (especially a jetliner) spin and dive at the same time when there's nothing to make it spin and there's nothing to make it fall like a brick so suddenly. I'm not doubting a spin like that could happen, I'm just doubting the spin shown in the show (especially when it's a jetliner.)


That what I meant when I type my comment, I should have explained my thought process more clearly, modern jet liners are design to stay in the air as long as possible without power to the engines,, Planes in the scenarios presented in the show would come down fairly gradually, a shallow angle, especially calm weather as was shown in the trailer , the bushes are stilled so no wind to turnover the plane, no fires from the engine suggest that there was no explosion from the aircraft to cause it to spin.

The control systems of today liners are also design to revert back to horizontal flight position if power is lost, to buy the pilot time to restore power.

They are also design to handle power surges and direct lightening strikes to engines.

As far as I am concern and the manoeuvres the plane did in the trailer is impossible, as there was no engine power and unless it was a very old plane, no or very limited flight control, all modern airliners are fly by wire. for all we know there is a bigger story about the plane in the series and this crash will be fully explained in a future episode (I doubt this, all JJ Abrams programmes have plane crashed in them, it is signature, or as been since Lost, I cant remember a major plane crash in Alias )

escyos
May 30th, 2012, 05:38 AM
Your still banging on about the planes? We get it, you like TV to be completely scientifically sound. However TV is not and rarely ever is.

Heres an explanation: It takes place in an alternate reality where planes operate differently. There problem solved.

knowles2
May 30th, 2012, 10:12 AM
Your still banging on about the planes? . Not me someone else decided to challenge my view on the plane crash, so someone answered back and I decided to explain my original view point in more detail.



We get it, you like TV to be completely scientifically sound. However TV is not and rarely ever is. No, I do not care whether TV completely Scientifically sound (which is why I enjoy stargate and BSG and Star trek before JJ ruin it), but I do like events like my fights scenes and plane crashes which are presented as real and taking place in the real world to look real or fairly real, and not as fake looking as this plane crash does.


Heres an explanation: It takes place in an alternate reality where planes operate differently. There problem solved If that the case, then hopefully we will see other weird events taking place in this universe. :)

escyos
May 31st, 2012, 04:12 AM
Well if you watch the preview again, you see that the power flickers and some street lights explode. If a plane that was flying low sudden;y had an engine explode and then lose all power, it would spin out of control and plummet to the ground.

Granted the plane does not have any smoke or fire coming from it, but if you look you see its lights flickering as well. What happens to a plane if you randomly turn the engines on and off? I imagine that would be getting forces working on parts of the plane, then others, then others.

ZRFTS
May 31st, 2012, 07:29 PM
Well if you watch the preview again, you see that the power flickers and some street lights explode. If a plane that was flying low sudden;y had an engine explode and then lose all power, it would spin out of control and plummet to the ground.
Noticed but even then, engines and cooling systems would have a effect similar to the plane; especially if "some" only explode.

And why would any plane would fly really low over a metropolitan city like Chicago? Even if there was a reason they were doing it, it isn't possible both for logistical and federal reasons. The routes that lead to and from Chicago O'Hare airport are normally directed around the city, not near it. In that preview there are planes which seem to be falling at speeds not possible unless there was some sort of malfunction that both caused the jet to gain speed and lose control; (much of which isn't possible since pitch and yaw control are independent from electrical control.)


Granted the plane does not have any smoke or fire coming from it, but if you look you see its lights flickering as well. What happens to a plane if you randomly turn the engines on and off? I imagine that would be getting forces working on parts of the plane, then others, then others.

As for the lights, I don't know how they'd keep turning on especially since anything electrical is supposed to be powered off from whatever is causing this; especially since the cars themselves turn off one by one without any flickering whatsoever.

What makes this blackout possible is up for question, various scenes show electrical interference and disruption alongside the flickering lights; which means that something is overloading it or something is trying to disrupt the electrical charge that is happening. For the blackout to happen there'd have to be.

1. A natural phenomenon with the power to disrupt electricity all around the world that can be significiantly altered by outside sources. (CME (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronal_mass_ejection) for example)
2. Something that prevents an electrical charge from happening; whether or not it's a field or something else entirely (those USB-drive like devices have the ability to turn on machines, maybe it prevents the field from working?)
3. Something that overloads electronic devices though the purpose is to eliminate electricity not add to it.

In the trailer, it is said that all forms of electrical energies including batteries don't work. Now electricity is ions, positive and negative; energy can be generated by friction and contact... A windmill can generate electricity just by the movement of the wind itself. If all electricity is gone then there'd have to be a way to prevent a charge from forming; as in no amount of friction can generate an electrical charge no matter how hard you try. A natural phenomeon can negate electricity but there'd have to be something that can keep the electrical charge from forming since all phenomenons can't last forever; same goes for the man-generated field. It'd be different if it didn't involve a illuminati type group but since it does it just brings more questions to the forefront, questions like how the illiminati have the means to build and maintain something that negates the electrical charge.

Additionally, there is also communication between computers as shown at the end of the trailer, and as we all know communication is something that relies on electrical circuits. So unless they manage to wave the magic wand, one has to ask how they can communicate when there is something outside that's supposed to prevent this stuff from happening.

A TV show can utilize this phenomenon if there's a decent explanation behind it but if the explanation isn't sufficient or overcomplicated then it's going to make the entire premise of the show even more ridiculous.

escyos
June 1st, 2012, 08:51 AM
I give up. If you don't buy the premise and aren't willing to overlook tiny details, then don't watch the show or discuss it. You seem to be fighting for the sake of fighting now.

knowles2
June 1st, 2012, 02:12 PM
Also if there no electricity, then our brains and nervous systems, an our hearts would all stop functioning as well, as they all rely on electricity.

As I said in my previous post, I look forward to the explanations given in the show, let hope we get them before the show is cancelled.

LtColCarter
June 2nd, 2012, 03:11 PM
Also if there no electricity, then our brains and nervous systems, an our hearts would all stop functioning as well, as they all rely on electricity.

As I said in my previous post, I look forward to the explanations given in the show, let hope we get them before the show is cancelled.

I think it means man-made electricity...not bio-electricity.

knowles2
June 3rd, 2012, 03:26 AM
I think it means man-made electricity...not bio-electricity.

There no such thing bio-electricity, electricity is all the same, whether it produce through biological process or using a dynamo.

psl1
June 3rd, 2012, 11:01 AM
This is what worries me about such a TV series. The explanation for such a global catastrophe had better be very well explained and worth the trouble or it will be like a reaaaalllly bad punch line to a very long joke and the embarrassing pause afterwards when no one laughs.


This is what someone wrote about the "American warship" movie....

"Some movies require suspension of disbelief. Others require that your disbelief be murdered brutally and buried in a shallow grave out in the forest somewhere."

If it was a miniseries….now that’s an idea!

LtColCarter
June 4th, 2012, 06:13 AM
There no such thing bio-electricity, electricity is all the same, whether it produce through biological process or using a dynamo.

I think you're wrong...

http://www.ece.mcmaster.ca/faculty/debruin/debruin/EE%20791/EE%20791%20Lecture%201.pdf

knowles2
June 4th, 2012, 09:02 AM
I think you're wrong...

http://www.ece.mcmaster.ca/faculty/debruin/debruin/EE%20791/EE%20791%20Lecture%201.pdf

Nice presentation, I refer to this bit through;

""Bioelectricity is now known to obey the
same fundamental laws of electricity in
the atmosphere, conducting wires,
semiconductors, etc.""

psl1
June 4th, 2012, 10:34 AM
So again all this hinges on what could shut down all electricity on earth. Would any one care to hazard a guess at what it could be?

Ukko
June 4th, 2012, 10:40 AM
Nice presentation, I refer to this bit through;

""Bioelectricity is now known to obey the
same fundamental laws of electricity in
the atmosphere, conducting wires,
semiconductors, etc.""

Reminds me, i must check the wiring in my legs, they have been acting up..

knowles2
June 4th, 2012, 11:14 AM
Reminds me, i must check the wiring in my legs, they have been acting up..

You mean nerves, they are just a different form of wire, I would not touch them if I were you, they can be rather sensitive. My previous comment was a quote directly taken from the presentation which carter posted a link to.


So again all this hinges on what could shut down all electricity on earth. Would any one care to hazard a guess at what it could be?

Nothing can shut down electricity, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity, it essentially a fundamental force in the universe, you cant simple shut it down.

You can over load electronics with a massive electro magnetic pulse, you could in theory, I guest use an electromagnetic field to permanently shut down unshielded electronics, it would require an enormous power source,, but military forces are well equip to handle EMP pulse, they spent the last fifty years hardening their infrastructure against such pulses, ever since the first atomic bombs tests.

psl1
June 6th, 2012, 05:02 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electro-magnetic_pulse

From this site it appears that coldwar timeperiod had such sheilding but it has fallen by the wayside with modern computor revolution. There appears to be no such protection for civilians. However such EMP burst are recoverable with spare parts.

Muffong
June 11th, 2012, 02:55 AM
First, I've only watched the trailer so my understanding of the show is based on that.

To me it reminds me a lot of "FlashForward". The whole idea that some people can control and turn off the lights seems unlikely and unappealing. And even following the rules of "Revolution", it just doesn't make any sense. (It being the science.) But about the technology, 4 the kids sake, it was probably a good thing it got turned off, they seemed a little pathetic. And the voiceover, (which may or may not be a one time thing,) doesn't fit the situation in my opinion. (But it could just be the voice.) Tim Guinee is a great actor though, so crossing my fingers for him not dying, 'cause I will be giving it a chance, when that time comes. The fate of "Revolution" will probably be decided by then, either down spinning like the plane or up like the plants on the buildings.

slimjim
June 19th, 2012, 01:57 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwfCRAtkYEI
just encase any body does'nt know what I mean

escyos
June 19th, 2012, 02:19 AM
Really looking forward to it (see my sig), i love these starting over, no tech stories.

Homer 120
June 19th, 2012, 05:23 AM
I fear for this show, while it DOES look good I fear this may end up getting canned just like every other new scripted NBC show of the past two years besides Grimm. JJ Abrams and Eric Kripkie do make a good pairing.

Still I don't see this living past Season One unless there's some ratings mirical, it will start off high al al The Event and slide drstically.

jelgate
June 19th, 2012, 07:25 AM
I fear for this show, while it DOES look good I fear this may end up getting canned just like every other new scripted NBC show of the past two years besides Grimm. JJ Abrams and Eric Kripkie do make a good pairing.

Still I don't see this living past Season One unless there's some ratings mirical, it will start off high al al The Event and slide drstically.I sadly have to agree. Look at its competition. It will be competing against Hawaii 5-0 and Castle. Two shows that have proven to be good shows in ratings context

Blencathra
June 19th, 2012, 07:44 AM
Finally got round to watching the trailer for this.

So basically it's Survivors but about electricity. Hmmmm. I'm not very impressed by the trailer (a sword? Puhleese :rolleyes:). I may give it a go if it comes to the UK.

Edit - Why did they have to show so much in this trailer. Wouldn't the bit about the necklace be better as a surprise?

Ukko
June 19th, 2012, 07:48 AM
Everyone said Grimm would fail.

knowles2
June 19th, 2012, 02:24 PM
Everyone said Grimm would fail.

Not me, it essentially a copy of other successful shows, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Supernatural. Also supernatural is all the rage at the moment, if I picked the new show most likely to succeed last year and get a second season, Grimm would have been clear favourite.

Once Upon a Time was the surprise success story, only Pixar have had any success reinventing fair tale stories for the modern world, with several flops at the cincema when if come to doing the same with real life actors. Also the format of Once upon a Time does not really fit the standard supernatural format.

When you take in shows such a Haven, The Fades, all of which have enjoy critical and audience success, both shows stood a good chance of succeeding.

Whiles Revolution, is copying Jericho and Jeremiah, Survivors all cancelled shows. I also following of from Alcatraz , a JJ Abram flop from last year.

Ukko
June 19th, 2012, 03:02 PM
Not me, it essentially a copy of other successful shows, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Supernatural. Also supernatural is all the rage at the moment, if I picked the new show most likely to succeed last year and get a second season, Grimm would have been clear favourite.

Its not a copy of those shows. What is it these days with peoples inability to look beyond aesthetics. Do i have to bring the whole two red cars does not equal two Ferraris thing again?


Once Upon a Time was the surprise success story, only Pixar have had any success reinventing fair tale stories for the modern world, with several flops at the cincema when if come to doing the same with real life actors. Also the format of Once upon a Time does not really fit the standard supernatural format.

Grimm is a reinvention/sort of retelling of fairy tales aswell...

And Revolution is not copying those other shows. Please see the show first before making those accusations. Especially since those other shows didnt invent the whole post apocalyptic thing, and can be said to be copying others. At least we've actually seen those.

knowles2
June 20th, 2012, 11:01 AM
Its not a copy of those shows. What is it these days with peoples inability to look beyond aesthetics. Do i have to bring the whole two red cars does not equal two Ferraris thing again?


I was just commenting on why I thought Grimm stood a good chance of succeeding before it even aired, an why I thought Once upon a time was a slightly bigger risk of failure than Grimm was.

Grimm does heavily borrowed from Supernatural and BTVS

I am also pretty sure Buffy the Vampire and Supernatural structures and type of characters it employed also took inspiration from past TV shows.

So yes Grimm on the surface look like it copied a lot from two successful shows and that why I thought it was going to be a success story, plus the whole supernatural type stories just cant seem to flop at the moment, also counted towards the show. While Revolution on the surface seem to copy alot from shows which have been a failure, which is why I am predicting failure.

Will I be right again, may be may be not. If the show was on cable, I would be giving it a much higher chance of surviving its first season, at the moment it less than 40%.

Spimman
June 20th, 2012, 11:38 AM
Still hoping a US network picks up this show, but I'm going to have to check it out at some point.

DigiFluid
June 20th, 2012, 11:48 AM
NBC is a US network.... :confused:

the fifth man
June 20th, 2012, 07:33 PM
NBC is a US network.... :confused:

Having NBC pick up shows like this isn't always a good thing either. Their ratings expectations are simply too high for some of these types of shows.

LtColCarter
June 21st, 2012, 07:23 AM
Still hoping a US network picks up this show, but I'm going to have to check it out at some point.

Ummmm...last time I checked...NBC was (and as far as I know) still a US network.

ZRFTS
June 21st, 2012, 03:31 PM
Their ratings expectations are simply too high for some of these types of shows.

But can you blame them really, they really need that one ratings hit to revive their network and they're willing to put their bets (promotion, involvement, airing) on anything that might garner ratings; even if it fails in the end.

the fifth man
June 21st, 2012, 05:56 PM
But can you blame them really, they really need that one ratings hit to revive their network and they're willing to put their bets (promotion, involvement, airing) on anything that might garner ratings; even if it fails in the end.

I totally get what you are saying. I have just been on the bad end of a lot of those failures. I have liked a lot of shows they have canned over the years.

Alteran of Atlantis
July 3rd, 2012, 02:57 PM
I gotta say I'm looking forward to this show. There's not much good on lately besides Falling Skies, and I need my Scifi fix. The premise definitely sounds interesting.

Sp!der
July 5th, 2012, 11:45 AM
After fringe will end next season I really hope, despite all the critics, that this show gains enough followers to run for three or four seasons, I mean chuck made it somehow to five seasons, fringe as well ( different network though ) and with the names attached to this show there is a good chance that it gets renewed at least for a second season, it should do like the network Starz, renew it before it even airs :D, priceless dedication to a show which I wished other networks would show ( no pun intended ) as well !

garhkal
July 28th, 2012, 09:13 PM
In my opinion there are only two or maybe three good shows starting next fall and i think wih Revolution being kind of a sci fi show it deserves its own thread where all new news and stuff can be posted here the new looking awesome trailer is here, but if you don't want to be spoiled, you should not watch it because it explains quite a bit on what will go on in the first episodes, with how they treated chuck and community im fearly postivie that it has a chance beyond season one especially with the names attached to the show eric kripke ( Supernatural ) and J.J.Abrams ( Alias, Lost, Fringe, Star Trek ):


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwfCRAtkYEI&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Have fun,

been seeing the previews for this all over the TV, but never that one.. Man am i stoked for this. Since iirc that was the same channel that did Terra nova, whether the same thing might happen.


Premise sounds interesting but I think it once again depends on what direction they choose to go with the show. Terra Nova had an interesting concept for a show but ultimately failed because the show runners didn't go the direction most people expected.

From what i understand a lot also didn't like the kids being such screw ups.


In the show electricity seems to have stopped working, but they have firearms, so combustion still must work. Which means that they would be back to 19th century technology, with steam engines etc. Which means the whole post apocalyptic shtick, with the overgrown cities is rubbish. For most of the history of human civilisation people managed without electricity, and they managed to happily create civilisation. So if electricity stopped working you might see the U.S breakup and the states each becoming their own smaller 19th century style countries. To be honest that premise sounds rather more interesting than watching this.

Maybe cause we as a society have gotten so USED to/dependent on the tech to do stuff for us, we will have a hard time going back to the old ways..


Have you gone 1 year without all the electric gadgets you use? Even after a day without my computer or iPod i feel strange. Also people are so reliant on machines to make things, the average person has no clue how to do anything. Someone living in a 15th floor apartment wont be able to grow food and will have to leave the city, there is no way to grow food in a concrete field.

Very true. I know some who get all jittery as if having an anxiety attack after going without for 4 hrs (like on a plane without their cel phone). Or when power is out and they can't use their laptops..


Just a note on the filthy torn clothes verses clean ones. The Amish seem to do just fine. Hard work or no. If you take care of your clothes, they'll last.



True, but i betcha most city folk are not as savy as the Amish.


Plus there's stuff like the over-the-top action, forced thematics and plot holes abound. (How do governments fall due to the lack of electricity, how does anything rise up? I know we take technology for granted but it's not something that society would entirely change for.)

See how quickly some areas devolve to mobs after a natural disaster in their locale cuts out all power.. now put that on a global scale. No news, no internet, no cel phones for people to use to keep in contact. No banking as all financial records are gone.


In that time the Government would gather people quickly to access how to run our current infrastructure without electricity, deploying army troops in all major cities and food rashioning would come in.

In normal power out situations stuff can still work of generators or batteries.. So yes they can make those calls to coordinate/seek out info. BUT in this senario, not even batteries work. SO exactly how they gonna communicate quickly??


Yes but the cashier is either tasked with walking to check the prices, writing down all the prices in the store and then have to manually add them up on the spot (the average person is terrible at such a thing) or just take the customers word on the price. The second people start having to pay $50/litre water they will get desperate, push each other and the riot has begun.

And who will watch the till area to ensure someone is not just running out while he is off checking prices?


Or they could place up a tower and use signals; I mean people have used signals without electricity by using fire and mirrors...

And how many people know how to use signal mirrors these days? Know morse code?


I still think people would unite together in a situation like this,

IMO you have too much faith in humanity.

Wow.. lots of quote wars here... So i am signing off on this for now.

escyos
August 19th, 2012, 07:49 AM
There is a phenomenal amount of negativity for this show on the facebook page. People usually rock up to complain about NBC or that they basic plot was ripped off of a book series.

Yes they are similar but that does not mean that it was ripped off, its like saying Farscape is a rip off of Star Trek because they are on a spaceship.

Also they don't get the whole NO electricity thing, always asking why people aren't making solar/wind/hydroelectric energy. The concept of NO seems to elude them.

LoneStar1836
August 19th, 2012, 10:07 AM
There is a phenomenal amount of negativity for this show on the facebook page. People usually rock up to complain about NBC or that they basic plot was ripped off of a book series.

Yes they are similar but that does not mean that it was ripped off, its like saying Farscape is a rip off of Star Trek because they are on a spaceship.

Also they don't get the whole NO electricity thing, always asking why people aren't making solar/wind/hydroelectric energy. The concept of NO seems to elude them."No" doesn't elude me, but just how would they not be able to generate electricity period. :S Even small quantities of it for personal use. Makes entirely no sense to me. How could you scientifically prevent the creation of electricity?

escyos
August 19th, 2012, 09:28 PM
"No" doesn't elude me, but just how would they not be able to generate electricity period. :S Even small quantities of it for personal use. Makes entirely no sense to me. How could you scientifically prevent the creation of electricity?

One of the trailers mentions the laws of physics changing.

knowles2
August 21st, 2012, 05:14 AM
There is a phenomenal amount of negativity for this show on the facebook page. People usually rock up to complain about NBC or that they basic plot was ripped off of a book series.

Yes they are similar but that does not mean that it was ripped off, its like saying Farscape is a rip off of Star Trek because they are on a spaceship.

Also they don't get the whole NO electricity thing, always asking why people aren't making solar/wind/hydroelectric energy. The concept of NO seems to elude them. May it the fact that humans are still walking around that is the reason why they cant accept there no electricity in the world.

escyos
August 21st, 2012, 08:03 PM
May it the fact that humans are still walking around that is the reason why they cant accept there no electricity in the world.

That is one of the major concerns but people just dont want to sit back and enjoy it, it is science fiction after all.

escyos
August 25th, 2012, 01:49 AM
Another common complaint is why dont they use team engines to get around.

Firstly I would say that we do not know that some steam engines aren't used. Secondly there are very few working steam engines on tracks in the world. Thirdly, not everyone lives next the train tracks in order to get supplies etc. so building a steam engine is pointless. Fourthly, what do you do with the other trains stuck on the tracks, the 30 car-long trains, do you just walk up to them and give them a little push and off they fall?

Sp!der
August 25th, 2012, 10:03 AM
People, TV shows are there to be utterly fun, especially shows like these! We have no idea why they don't use any electricity etc. maybe it will be explained maybe not ( I tend to the latter ) but I think that's not the point of this show anyway. Mostly on how people are behaving in this fantasy situation and how the characters relationships are developing, I dont hold my breath for getting a huge explanation, especially with a guy like abrams attached to it. Btw i did not read all the posts.. But you get my notion.

escyos
September 2nd, 2012, 12:40 PM
Apparently the pilot can be viewed in two days Link: https://twitter.com/NBCRevolution/status/242333819636707328/photo/1

VampyreWraith
September 4th, 2012, 11:47 AM
The pilot is available to watch now.

http://www.nbc.com/revolution/video/pilot/1415378

knowles2
September 4th, 2012, 01:07 PM
Not if you from the UK,

VampyreWraith
September 4th, 2012, 01:26 PM
Since it's on the NBC site I think it only works if you're in the US, I don't know if anyplace else has it so people in other countries can view it.

knowles2
September 4th, 2012, 01:28 PM
Since it's on the NBC site I think it only works if you're in the US, I don't know if anyplace else has it so people in other countries can view it.
Do not worry, I know plenty of places where I can view it, it may take a little while (hours) to appear through,

Mrja84
September 5th, 2012, 08:31 AM
Do not worry, I know plenty of places where I can view it, it may take a little while (hours) to appear through,

It's available on Hulu to watch as well.

Just watched the pilot. I really enjoyed it. I love the cinematography and how they established everything. I do hope we see them treking long distances and the impact of finding food and shelter.

blueray
September 11th, 2012, 05:46 PM
I just saw the pilot. I liked it, but I'm not sure if this shows going to be the next "attempt at lost". therefore only last as season.

parts of it reminded me of lost, like when they find the plane. and of course Elizabeth Michelle (Juliet) was in some of it ;).

one thing that bothered me was their clothes. they wouldn't all look like they just bought them from a store. everything would have to be handmade or passed down. so the fact that they all look put together doesn't really make sense.

Mrja84
September 11th, 2012, 06:07 PM
I just saw the pilot. I liked it, but I'm not sure if this shows going to be the next "attempt at lost". therefore only last as season.

parts of it reminded me of lost, like when they find the plane. and of course Elizabeth Michelle (Juliet) was in some of it ;).

one thing that bothered me was their clothes. they wouldn't all look like they just bought them from a store. everything would have to be handmade or passed down. so the fact that they all look put together doesn't really make sense.

The clothes didn't bother me. Didn't you see the clothes in her home village? Some of them looks hand made and some weren't.

Plus I didn't get a "Lost" vibe. There's no odd supernatural monster or time travel. It is merely the lost of electricity and the struggle to recover it and this girl is caught in the middle of it.

Rosehawk
September 11th, 2012, 06:49 PM
Looks good! :)

VampyreWraith
September 11th, 2012, 06:54 PM
I lked it too, I'm looking forward to seeing more episodes. :)

the fifth man
September 12th, 2012, 10:05 PM
I am going to hold off and watch this when it premieres on NBC Monday night.

Sp!der
September 16th, 2012, 09:55 AM
I am going to hold off and watch this when it premieres on NBC Monday night.

hope you are not dissapointed!

jelgate
September 16th, 2012, 09:56 AM
I liked it for the most part which surely means it will be cancelled. Sorry in advance

garhkal
September 16th, 2012, 12:05 PM
I will be watching the first 3-4 eps, then i will have a 2-3 week hiatus as i move to a new place i got up in Columbus.... Wonder if Net flix will have it, or Hulu.

jelgate
September 16th, 2012, 12:24 PM
Highly unlikely it will be Netflix. Best bet for currently running seasons is Hulu or the channel the show is running on

Ian-S
September 16th, 2012, 04:40 PM
I liked it for the most part which surely means it will be cancelled. Sorry in advance

Same here, unfortunately NBC's reputation with cancelling scifi is worse than SyFy.

I give it 8 episodes before they pull it, even though I liked it.

jelgate
September 16th, 2012, 04:44 PM
Same here, unfortunately NBC's reputation with cancelling scifi is worse than SyFy.

I give it 8 episodes before they pull it, even though I liked it.

If its a total bomb it will take shorter then that. If it is only a tiny failure it will last a full season and then be cancelled. Think "The Event"

garhkal
September 17th, 2012, 09:01 PM
I didn't think it was a total bomb.. Yes they should have done more with the intro, as well as the whole clothing issue (why they look so damn new),.. but otherwise i thought it was good.

Gollumpus
September 17th, 2012, 10:16 PM
It has promise, but I wasn't blown away by it.

I'll be interested to see what they come up with to explain how/why electricity stops flowing. And what about the electric current of our bodies?

Above comments about clothes are relevant, but could be explained away by people gathering what-ever might be useful and storing it for future use.

As to the uncle, wouldn't it be easier for him to hunt "Nate" down, kill him before he can get help from the militia, dispose of the body and then go back to his quiet existence?

regards,
G.

Gollumpus
September 17th, 2012, 10:21 PM
Plus I didn't get a "Lost" vibe. There's no odd supernatural monster or time travel. It is merely the lost of electricity and the struggle to recover it and this girl is caught in the middle of it.

I watched next to nothing of "Lost", but I would agree that there wasn't much of a "Lost" vibe. The first show that came to mind was another show of which I didn't watch all that much, "Jericho".

regards,
G.

Gen. Chris
September 17th, 2012, 11:19 PM
It intrigued me enough to keep watching...The problem is, the trailer literally gave away almost everything in the pilot. I could have missed this episode, watched the trailer, and only missed one crucial "reveal".


I don't see it lasting more than a season, though, unless there is a lot more substance in the coming episodes.

I am only pessimistic due to the failure of Terra Nova and The Event, which was the last comparable show NBC did if I remember correctly.

Mrja84
September 18th, 2012, 07:25 AM
I just watched the pilot again...live last night.

I love it. I don't care about the clothes, some of the villagers' clothes looked sewed together. But I'm not trying to debunk this show piece by piece. I care about how the characters interact and where the story is going.

I love Eric Kripke and I know he has a set plan for the series, but he also has left room to grow and go in different places.

My only concern is the writing for the female characters. Off the bat we have the two woman in the group and then the mystery woman.

Kripke has added female characters during his time on Supernatural, but I don't know if it was just the lack of chemistry between the leads and the ladies or if there was some behind the scenes stuff that prevent those characters from really taking off.

Obviously now the show is centered on a female lead, so I think for at least this season we are going to see how he handles that. While the first season of Supernatural had Sam as the primary protagonist for the audience to follow into the world and to ask questions for the audience, the show gradually changed IMO to focus on Dead in the latter seasons.

Hopefully the writers of Revolution are up to the challenge.

jelgate
September 18th, 2012, 07:44 AM
http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2012/09/18/tv-ratings-monday-the-revolution-premieres-big-the-mob-doctor-doa-the-voice-rises-bones-premieres-down/148980/

Revolution started off good with a 4.1 HH in the 18-49 demo and 11.65 million viewers. But I caution people for getting too optimistic. Revolution had no competition this week. That will change next week with all the primetime channels airing thie new shows/seasons

Sp!der
September 18th, 2012, 07:55 AM
Yeah we will see, I'll start watching this show though

tomstone
September 18th, 2012, 03:16 PM
Yeah we will see, I'll start watching this show though

I think I will watch it too, but I am going to wait. I am not confident anymore in these Shows and I do not need to relive Terra Nova all over again.

Besides that I have more fun anyways just guessing what happened. I have only seen the Trailer so far, but here goes. Some sort of Radiation cloud enveloped Earth that day. Harmless to Humans, but enough to disrupt most electrical currents. The Pendant has a shielding against that radiation and once activated it creates a field that lets Energy flow again. That though throws up a very big question. Who would be powerful enough to create a counter measure and then not use it?

I already know that answer cant quite be right, because how could you use a Computer Signal to communicate to someone, when everything electrical outside the field gets disrupted.

Ian-S
September 18th, 2012, 04:31 PM
Regarding the clothes, you don't need a washing machine to clean clothes, I'd think that in 15 years, they'd find someone who knows how to knit new stuff as well (it was 15 wasn't it?).

Now if we were to continuously see them in the same clothes, nice and clean after getting dirty, week in week out, without a determinable washing source, then I'd get annoyed, but not just yet.

the fifth man
September 18th, 2012, 05:31 PM
Off to a very good start IMO. Both my wife and I enjoyed the premiere very much. We will both definitely be tuning in next week.

Perelandra
September 19th, 2012, 06:51 AM
It has promise, but I wasn't blown away by it.

I'll be interested to see what they come up with to explain how/why electricity stops flowing. And what about the electric current of our bodies?

Above comments about clothes are relevant, but could be explained away by people gathering what-ever might be useful and storing it for future use.

As to the uncle, wouldn't it be easier for him to hunt "Nate" down, kill him before he can get help from the militia, dispose of the body and then go back to his quiet existence?

regards,
G.

Gollumpus-re: spoiler-you make too much sense!

I enjoyed the show. I had the same thoughts as some above about the clothes, but then again some did like they were wearing look hand made clothes. Some people may have had clothes stored away as mentioned above, that were brought out later. Plus, I assume people wouldn't be washing clothes as much since it would have to be done by hand, so maybe clothes would go through less wear and tear. On the other hand-no electricity means no sewing machines, so new clothes would have to be sewn by hand. And Charlies boots looked a little too fancy for that kind of walking, but...that's probably all she had.
I really enjoyed the electricity going out scene-eerie. (with the planes falling out of the sky)

Spimman
September 19th, 2012, 07:45 AM
I really liked the Pilot episode, they set up quite a few characters and storylines really well for a 1 hour Pilot.

The blackout showed enough to make it cool and feed the story
The Uncle was set up pretty well, evidently him an "The General" were special forces buddies
The Militia was pretty well done
I like how most people have switched to muskets
The niece is a really cool character
"Nate" adds a complex character that we see already struggling with loyalty to the Militia and the girl
The computer scene at the end was a big hook
I also thought the Google guy was pretty cool


As for the clothes, hand washing will likely make them last longer plus there might be a huge warehouse full of clothes for some of the major stores and peoples houses that people have access to. Seriously, it is a tv show and most people don't like everyone to look nasty all the time. Considering the amount of people that likely died in year 1 after the blackout I imagine supply is high of many items.

Gollumpus
September 19th, 2012, 04:33 PM
Gollumpus-re: spoiler-you make too much sense!

Sorry, I'll try to do worse. :)

Weren't the first electric sewing machines introduced around the late 1800's? There might be samples of manual machines to be had, and they would likely have been put into service, but yeah, with the combination of lots of clothes out there to pick through (stores, homes) the need for the average person could be small.

regards,
G.

Gollumpus
September 19th, 2012, 06:00 PM
I already know that answer cant quite be right, because how could you use a Computer Signal to communicate to someone, when everything electrical outside the field gets disrupted.

I figure the other computer is upstairs somewhere in the same house... :P



I really liked the Pilot episode, they set up quite a few characters and story lines really well for a 1 hour Pilot.

*The blackout showed enough to make it cool and feed the story
*The Uncle was set up pretty well, evidently him an "The General" were special forces buddies

Yeah, the guy we saw at the end of the episode was the other sergeant with Miles, Bass Monroe. I'm assuming he's only a local militia leader rather than anyone of "real" significance (ie. the people who are the brains behind the whole operation).

If he was heavily involved and in the loop, why was he out joy riding with Miles when the power died? Was he merely keeping eyes on Miles because of his connection to Ben? Perhaps, but if that was the case and someone wanted Miles where they could get at him, why not just find a way to keep him on base? A short notice cancellation of his leave wouldn't have been that difficult to arrange, would it?




*The Militia was pretty well done
*I like how most people have switched to muskets

Yeah, I agree about the militia. Also, from what we heard from Capt. Neville, we see that the militia conscript new members while they are still young and train (and brainwash?) them to support the cause. They likely also move them around a fair amount so any of the guys in "militia squad A" would not be allowed to serve in the "District A", but rather would only serve in "District C".

Neville could also be interesting depending on how the writers establish him. He looks to me as though he still considers himself to be a "good guy" who is stuck doing a difficult job... but someone has to do it, right? He's not full out evil, but he will order his troops to do things (the conscription threat) so he can fulfill his orders.

You're right, it makes sense that people reverted to older weaponry which is easier to make, and create ammunition. And, since the militias probably gathered all of the more advanced weaponry (machine guns, basic hand guns, etc) they likely had limited alternatives for missile fire, other than bows, crossbows, spears etc.




*The niece is a really cool character

I hope they establish Charlotte as a capable individual rather than her being a "weather vane". If she's a good hunter then she should be a half-way decent tracker and shot with her crossbow. Show her using those skills (they were only implied). If she is supposed to be smart then she should darn well be able to figure things out within the "limited" formal educational background and life experience she would have. If she is supposed to be feisty and combative in the face of adversity then she should be that way all the time, tempered by how smart she is.

In the attempted rape scene (the guys on the plane), I was waiting for her to do more than slap at the guy. I'm not suggesting she would go Rambo on them because there's no reason to expect that she would have that sort of training (although I suspect that will come from her uncle as the show progresses). I anticipated she would put up a feeble struggle, and when the time was right, grab a handy blunt object and at least try to knock that SOB out or daze him enough to be able to make a grab for his blade. She wouldn't even have to have been successful, that she made the attempt is the important thing in establishing her character.

However, the writers had her play the damsel in distress who gets saved by the timely arrival of Nate. This will get boring if it happens with any kind of frequency.




*"Nate" adds a complex character that we see already struggling with loyalty to the Militia and the girl

I'm betting he's Monroe's son. This being said, maybe Charlotte's mother is Monroe's squeeze.




*The computer scene at the end was a big hook

Yeah, that's why I was thinking of Jericho. I suppose I should have watched that show more often.

The thing that will rot my socks off is if who-ever pulled this event off in the first place could have turned the power back on at any time.




*I also thought the Google guy was pretty cool

He gives an interesting perspective on things. His comments about his personal wealth, jets and the hotel helped put things into some kind of perspective.

regards,
G.

Mrja84
September 20th, 2012, 06:50 AM
I think Charlotte is meant to show while she was allowed to hunt in her small little pond of a world. If never traveled outside to met new people. She's too trusting and she's not very well trained.

I believe or expect the show to display her maturing and developing more as an experienced traveler. She's going to make mistakes and she's going to be out of her depth, but that's why she has her companions.

She's skilled enough with the crossbow to shot that guy fighting her uncle, but fear and nerves took their toll on her when she had to reload quickly and came under attack.

As far as Nate goes...WTH! I really, really hope this doesn't become a love at first sight thing. Stargate Universe did not handle the sudden relationship that was Chloe and Matt very well. Later episodes did well to show their commitment to each other, but anyway.

I just hope if Nate and Charlotte do have feelings for each other it's a natural progression and not just a given. No matter what, the show needs these relationships to mature naturally and not set anything in stone. Kripke is fairly good with that, but that's my only concern.

Gollumpus
September 20th, 2012, 08:45 AM
I think Charlotte is meant to show while she was allowed to hunt in her small little pond of a world. If never traveled outside to met new people. She's too trusting and she's not very well trained.

I believe or expect the show to display her maturing and developing more as an experienced traveler. She's going to make mistakes and she's going to be out of her depth, but that's why she has her companions.

Agreed.




She's skilled enough with the crossbow to shot that guy fighting her uncle, but fear and nerves took their toll on her when she had to reload quickly and came under attack.

Good observation. :)




As far as Nate goes...WTH! I really, really hope this doesn't become a love at first sight thing. Stargate Universe did not handle the sudden relationship that was Chloe and Matt very well. Later episodes did well to show their commitment to each other, but anyway.

I still suspect a Romeo/Juliet is in the works.




I just hope if Nate and Charlotte do have feelings for each other it's a natural progression and not just a given. No matter what, the show needs these relationships to mature naturally and not set anything in stone. Kripke is fairly good with that, but that's my only concern.

I'm assuming there's going to be a series of events where Nate does something "bad", but still manages to be a borderline good-guy.

regards,
G.

Spimman
September 21st, 2012, 07:29 AM
Yeah, the guy we saw at the end of the episode was the other sergeant with Miles, Bass Monroe. I'm assuming he's only a local militia leader rather than anyone of "real" significance (ie. the people who are the brains behind the whole operation).

If he was heavily involved and in the loop, why was he out joy riding with Miles when the power died? Was he merely keeping eyes on Miles because of his connection to Ben? Perhaps, but if that was the case and someone wanted Miles where they could get at him, why not just find a way to keep him on base? A short notice cancellation of his leave wouldn't have been that difficult to arrange, would it?


I think Monroe is the General\Dictator\Main Man behind the militia. That being said, I don't think he has any idea who caused the power outage, that lady with the computer (and her group) are separate.

The people that caused the outage, for now, are a complete mystery. I imagine the show will be slow to release bits of information about them, kind of how they handled "the others" on LOST. I'm not saying the shows are the same, just how they'll handle this mysterious group.

Morbo
September 21st, 2012, 03:31 PM
just finally watched the first ep.
enjoyable if not predictable.

i'll watch.

(better than terra nova)

mr_kennedy
September 22nd, 2012, 12:56 AM
Me 2 it was decent i'm going to keep watching

Falcon Horus
September 22nd, 2012, 04:18 AM
Heard a friend talking about but I must say the way he explained it, it sounded far more interesting... just watched the pilot and I can't say I'm intrigued. Too many inconsistencies to continue fretting about it. Apparently when a black-out happens, homo sapiens sapiens turns back into a Homo Sapiens equivalent to a Neanderthal and we promptly reverse back into idiots who can't remember how we first started out in the whole electricity business.

They better have a very good explanation for it, otherwise this show won't last till the end. It's a modern take on the whole cowboy & indian play...

Morbo
September 22nd, 2012, 04:41 AM
well i don't think it's as simple as someone just needs to reinvent the light bulb. obviously something happened that doesn't allow electrons to flow anymore, in any fashion. That's what electricity is. Controlled flow of electrons.
Possibly some sort of gigantic EM field, or magnetic field issue. I'm no physicist so I'm shooting from the hip here.
Perhaps the device the lady had at the end there creates some sort of allowable bubble for electricity to work. And I'm curious if the program the dad was downloading from the laptop right before the blackout onto a similar device also does the same thing.

But remember, we rely on electricity for EVERYTHING. We basically would revert to how it was shown in the show, I feel. No power tools, no batteries, no nothing.

I'm not quite sure why they were using muskets - maybe all the regular ammo has been expended, who knows.

But, we'll see where it goes.

escyos
September 22nd, 2012, 07:59 AM
Heard a friend talking about but I must say the way he explained it, it sounded far more interesting... just watched the pilot and I can't say I'm intrigued. Too many inconsistencies to continue fretting about it. Apparently when a black-out happens, homo sapiens sapiens turns back into a Homo Sapiens equivalent to a Neanderthal and we promptly reverse back into idiots who can't remember how we first started out in the whole electricity business.

They better have a very good explanation for it, otherwise this show won't last till the end. It's a modern take on the whole cowboy & indian play...

Are you referring to why they are not using solar, wind, etc? If so then you missed the premise of the show entirely.

retiredat44
September 23rd, 2012, 12:02 AM
I bet that a bunch of fans will be entrenched into this show and they will cancel it after everyone is emtionally invested... that is what usually happens.. and yes I watched the first episode... I bet they try to be everything to everyone, and don't want to offend children, so they will not get to radical wioth language or acting... tey wil try to please everyone.... and once again, have teenagers who know all (wesley crushers..), screw things up... like other shows that went with the dinos... (cough,, cough..)

It would be nice if it works out, and we get a good show......

MasySyma
September 23rd, 2012, 10:36 AM
The pilot was meh. The society was too primitive. The writers appear to equate no electricity with 1776, and yet parts of America and Europe didn't have regular electricity in 1900. Apparently all print books also couldn't be read, and I agree, the clothing is a problem.

The characters are ok, but the random electricity thumb-drive isn't working for me.

It's better than Terra Nova, but I wouldn't call Revolution good yet.

Laxian of Earth
September 23rd, 2012, 01:51 PM
Hey ;)

I have been watching the Pilot, too (I would like to know when they bring this show to german TV, because a lot of my friends are not that good with english to be able to watch it otherwise) and I agree with a lot of the things about technology and so on (i mean, there are a lot of science books (in libraries) and a lot of things do not need to have electricity to be able to be used (steam-engines for example) etc...

And I have another "concerne":

How did Charly's Dad know the power would go out and why did he not stop it? (until that is cleared up, I have my issues with the man (IMHO he deserves having been shot!)...I would go as far as to say that I hate him based on the limited information that we have, because he ruined everybodys lives!)

Well I will stay tuned ;)

greetings LAX
ps: Terra Nova was not so bad - It might not have been all that great, but with what little science fiction there is on TV it was one of the better shows (no bright star like "Stargate: SG-1" or say "Star Trek: TNG" but enjoyable non the less)

escyos
September 23rd, 2012, 07:48 PM
Hey ;)

I have been watching the Pilot, too (I would like to know when they bring this show to german TV, because a lot of my friends are not that good with english to be able to watch it otherwise) and I agree with a lot of the things about technology and so on (i mean, there are a lot of science books (in libraries) and a lot of things do not need to have electricity to be able to be used (steam-engines for example) etc...

And I have another "concerne":

How did Charly's Dad know the power would go out and why did he not stop it? (until that is cleared up, I have my issues with the man (IMHO he deserves having been shot!)...I would go as far as to say that I hate him based on the limited information that we have, because he ruined everybodys lives!)

I shall attempt to answer:

As I have said on the Revolution Facebook page about 50 times so far, there has been only one episode and we only saw one small village, an abandoned airport, a portion of a street and a militia camp, so there is no way that we could know that they are not using technology somewhere e.g. steam powered cars etc.

At the moment we do not know how Ben knew about the power going out, my theory is that he was part of a government group working on a weapon to disable electricity inside "pesky" countries so the military could "help" the people of these countries. Maybe the scientists in charge knew that the military would only use it to conquer so they released it worldwide in an attempt to fix the problems of our modern society. We do not know why yet but we will find out at some point.

I suggest that you keep watching, every show that has ever existed has had a few dud episodes that if they were the first one you watched you would probably not come back for more and would miss out on something great.

Laxian of Earth
September 24th, 2012, 09:38 AM
i will continue watching - now doubt about that (hell, stargate: sg-1 had a lot of episodes i did not like in the first two seasons)

still, who gave those scientists the right? (if it was something along those lines)...sorry, but no one has the right to do something like this even if there seem to be good reasons (the way to hell is after all paved with good intentions)

i am sorry, but if i knew someone who was in the know after something like this happened, i would look for that guy/girl too (to question him and maybe get my view of the story across (and maybe killing him/her after that))

mfg LAX

jelgate
September 24th, 2012, 09:43 AM
All we know is that he knew the electricity was going to go out. We know nothing of the context of how and what he knew and how long he knew. I'm a little hesitant to pace blame whateve the father's name is until more information is revealed.

the fifth man
September 24th, 2012, 07:05 PM
I am off to watch the second episode. I hope it is as good as the first episode was.

VampyreWraith
September 24th, 2012, 07:20 PM
I just finished watching the second episode a little while ago. I thought it was pretty good :) I found it better than the first episode(which I did like). I liked Charlie as a character better in this episode, she's started to become more interesting(at least imo).

Gollumpus
September 24th, 2012, 09:25 PM
Maybe I'm just having a bad night, but I'm having trouble getting past the first half of the second episode. I feel an impending sense of dumb coming on.

regards,
G.

Gen. Chris
September 24th, 2012, 10:10 PM
Second episode was a drastic improvement.

VampyreWraith
September 25th, 2012, 05:13 AM
I thought it was an improvement as well. Even though I liked the first ep, I couldn't stand Charlie; I liked her a bit more in this one. I hope they drop the thing between Charlie and her pretty boy stalker; I find it annoying. I liked the new character and I'm glad that the mother ended up alive(I was pretty much expecting that though). I like Elizabeth Mitchell, I think she's a good actress, hopefully she'll get more to do.

TheRandomOne
September 25th, 2012, 08:08 AM
I say kill Charlie & the bro & make the Uncle & that one chick from that other show the main characters. Then we have a watchable show

Mrja84
September 25th, 2012, 08:47 AM
I say kill Charlie & the bro & make the Uncle & that one chick from that other show the main characters. Then we have a watchable show

What? That's clear. The uncle and "that one chick from that other show" of course, since there's only one "chick from that other show".

This was a great continuation of the show and I really liked Charlie in this episode. So far we only saw her kill one other person and that was to protect family. Being proactive and killing someone who isn't a threat to you, your family, or your objective is a BIG thing. I read the review on IGN and they felt it was inconsistent. I felt it was entirely consistent with her character.

Maybe we see a character kill one person and we expect them not to have any qualms about killing anybody else. But that's not true.

I really liked the actors they have on the show and I think they are moving the the right directions not beating around the bush with the central mystery. I assume that Charlie's stepmother and friend will be stumbling over the clues to wear Charlie's daddy wanted them to go.

I have a theory on how the computers with power are interconnected

and that theory is They are connecting with satellites that are outside the field of influence from whatever turned off the power. The only problem with that is computers do not connect directly with satellites they connect to a series of machines and then to a dish that transmits the data. But since the power is gone then how do they achieve connections over vast distances.

Then I imagine the equipment in that room shown at the end of episode 1 contains all that functionality.

TheRandomOne
September 25th, 2012, 08:56 AM
What? That's clear. The uncle and "that one chick from that other show" of course, since there's only one "chick from that other show".

This was a great continuation of the show and I really liked Charlie in this episode. So far we only saw her kill one other person and that was to protect family. Being proactive and killing someone who isn't a threat to you, your family, or your objective is a BIG thing. I read the review on IGN and they felt it was inconsistent. I felt it was entirely consistent with her character.

Maybe we see a character kill one person and we expect them not to have any qualms about killing anybody else. But that's not true.

I really liked the actors they have on the show and I think they are moving the the right directions not beating around the bush with the central mystery. I assume that Charlie's stepmother and friend will be stumbling over the clues to wear Charlie's daddy wanted them to go.

I have a theory on how the computers with power are interconnected

and that theory is They are connecting with satellites that are outside the field of influence from whatever turned off the power. The only problem with that is computers do not connect directly with satellites they connect to a series of machines and then to a dish that transmits the data. But since the power is gone then how do they achieve connections over vast distances.

Then I imagine the equipment in that room shown at the end of episode 1 contains all that functionality.


To lazy for spoiler tags since they removed the button. So that chick from that other show is good enough

Don Pantaloons
September 25th, 2012, 09:25 AM
I feel an impending sense of dumb coming on.

I feeling an impending sense of this show being another The Event. Except that show started out promising before becoming a train wreck; this show was already going off the rails once the intro (the blackout) was over and we got to the present (15 years after the blackout).

The only parts I have liked so far have been the scenes with Giancarlo Esposito, and that's only because I love watching him as an actor; his lines and character have been rather generic.

I'm going to pass on this one for the rest of the season. If it turns out to be good, I'll watch the DVDs.

Mrja84
September 25th, 2012, 11:59 AM
So far, this seems to have a lot more momentum for me than The Event had ever did.

I don't think it is dragging on, it's only been 2 episodes. And they already have two of the main characters looking for Grace who I assume is the "girl from the other show" who helped Charlie's brother with the asthma. So they are now waiting for her story to cross with the others, they are actively getting the threads to mix and mingle.

retiredat44
September 25th, 2012, 12:48 PM
I have already given up on the show Revolution, that whiny girl made it impossible to watch it,, she just makes life miserable for everyone trying to help her.. once again the writers have moron kids ruining shows... the kids whine, get their way, and good guys get killed because of their tantrums.. 2 minutes long verizon commercials really suck..

not putting up with crappy acting and crappy writing,, and the shows trying to please everyone... if you have really bad people trying to kil good people, at least show it that way, don't soften it up for whiny kids who stay up past bedtime..

jelgate
September 25th, 2012, 12:54 PM
http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2012/09/25/tv-ratings-monday-revolution-the-voice-tumble-the-mob-doctor-goes-lower-partners-series-premiere/149991/


I thought it would drop more but Revolution got a 3.5 HH in the 18-49 demo and 9.29 million viewers Live +SD. Surprised it kept that much after the pilot

mathpiglet
September 25th, 2012, 01:05 PM
I must admit I'd prefer the focus to be on the adults instead of the kids, but the story line is still intriguing me. I like the use of flashbacks; I was worried they would not let us know about the early days of the blackout but they are handling it well. It adds to the character development.

I still really wish it wasn't up against Hawaii 50 and Castle though; it really splits the audience. Time-shifting or catching episodes on line do work, but there's still something about watching something live.

Gen. Chris
September 25th, 2012, 01:35 PM
I'm glad they are using Tom Guinee (Tomin in SG-1) more. I like him from the few things I've seen him in, and I would have been disappointed if he had only been in the pilot. Glad he gets some more screen time during the flashbacks.

Mrja84
September 25th, 2012, 01:43 PM
I have already given up on the show Revolution, that whiny girl made it impossible to watch it,, she just makes life miserable for everyone trying to help her.. once again the writers have moron kids ruining shows... the kids whine, get their way, and good guys get killed because of their tantrums.. 2 minutes long verizon commercials really suck..

not putting up with crappy acting and crappy writing,, and the shows trying to please everyone... if you have really bad people trying to kil good people, at least show it that way, don't soften it up for whiny kids who stay up past bedtime..

Whiny kids? Whiny about what? Her mother died and her father just got killed and now her brother is caught and probably going to die as well. Oh that's just another Tuesday afternoon for you, huh retiredat44? Those are nothing serious to get emotional about.

So what her father died, boo hoo. She's lucky he didn't come back as a vampire and kill her. I agree completely and understand what you mean, so what she lost her entire support system and now has to find her uncle and get her brother back. She's lucky those guys wanted to rape her in the airplane, who would touch that, right? She deserved it, I know your thinking. The writers should have had her get raped and killed, so pure-hearted and intelligent people like you and me, won't have to worry about them catering to whiny kids. I understand completely. I hear you, retiredat44. I hear you crystal clear.

It's not like these characters will ever change or grow. People like you and me know, networks will just keep these actors playing one-dimensional characters. You gotta have the token black guy who goes from town to town enforcing the law of the militia, you gotta have a bad guy that wants to kill or capture the protagonists, you gotta have the whiny kids (cause that whiny kid demographics is like age 0 to 34, so you gotta cater to them), etc. Trust me, I understand, your plight.

Oh and how dare the show's writers have 2 minute long verzion commercials. What were they thinking? They should know better. It's better to have a series of 5-10 second commercials.

Oh and yeah, the show is trying to please everyone. God forbid, they show people getting killed in cold blood. You know they won't show someone attempt to rape anyone. nor would they show people getting locked up and put to slave labor.

Oh and you know they aren't going to have armed militia taking away guns, that's a easy way to lose the NRA demographic.

Hell, why is this show even on NBC? Everyone knows those channels cater to whiny kids because they will never show blood and guts like AMC or excessive cursing like HBO. This show should be on a cable channel, that's the only proper way isn't it?

retiredat44, I know you didn't truthfully mean any of this, but seriously. One episode, that's all you got to give. Most shows change a lot from the pilot episode, but the basics stay there.

Please, see past some who's crying cause their whole family is gone and not see them as whiny. I've seen husbands whose wives had them let out so they could save their children during the flooding of New Orleans by Katrina. The lost of the people you love and care about is not whining. It's shows care and unimaginable lost.

This show isn't going to have the kill cry about the lost of her family in every episode, but I would EXPECT that the character would cry when talking about the lost of their family.

Yes, these are fictional characters, but at least they are not unrelatable us human beings. Some of them have experienced lost and they are portraying that lost...in ONE episode.

I can tell you in the second episode she doesn't cry. It was just there to give the character emotional weight in the first episode.

But if you are so superior to us that you wouldn't or haven't cried when members of your support system, people close to you die, then I feel sorry for you. Cause you just seem to lack empathy and the willingness to connect.



http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2012/09/25/tv-ratings-monday-revolution-the-voice-tumble-the-mob-doctor-goes-lower-partners-series-premiere/149991/


I thought it would drop more but Revolution got a 3.5 HH in the 18-49 demo and 9.29 million viewers Live +SD. Surprised it kept that much after the pilot

It's a good show and I thrilled others feel it's worth watching.

escyos
September 25th, 2012, 07:35 PM
You want whiny, look at the comments on the Revolution Facebook. People keep asking the stupidest questions over and over - "Why do they use swords?" Umm because guns are illegal and you get killed for owning one! "Why are their clothes clean?" Because water does not need electricity to function, and so forth. Really bums me out.

And these are people who half watch the episode ONCE and then complain about so called "plot holes".

Don Pantaloons
September 26th, 2012, 05:40 AM
It's not so much that the clothes look so clean, it's that they look brand new, and so well made. Fifteen years with no factories to produce new clothes, or new fabric to make clothes, means that new clothes of that quality will no longer be a common item.

Once the permanence of the blackout set in (probably within the first year), all of the new clothes would be gone (sold off, in the areas that still had some degree of order, and stolen everywhere else), followed by all of the fabric and other materials needed to make clothes.

Add in 10-15 years of washing a much smaller number of items (these people fled the cities, so they only took a handful of items), and their clothes should look much more worn and faded.

So unless each of these communities that we've seen have someone that used to be a professional tailor or seamstress, the clothes the characters are wearing would not look like they just came off the rack at Gap.

Perelandra
September 26th, 2012, 06:34 AM
I'm glad they are using Tom Guinee (Tomin in SG-1) more. I like him from the few things I've seen him in, and I would have been disappointed if he had only been in the pilot. Glad he gets some more screen time during the flashbacks.

Same here, I'd like to see a lot more of him, as well.
so far I'm liking the show a lot.

Mrja84
September 26th, 2012, 08:35 AM
Same here, I'd like to see a lot more of him, as well.
so far I'm liking the show a lot.

Truly he is a terrific actor. I loved him in Stargate SG-1 and Stargate SG-1: Ark of Truth. His character is an important look at how believers within the Ori noticed how they started interpreting the book in a much more violet manner than how they were originally taught.

Anyway, I do look forward to see more of him. It's a shame it's only in small doses

escyos
September 26th, 2012, 08:54 AM
It's not so much that the clothes look so clean, it's that they look brand new, and so well made. Fifteen years with no factories to produce new clothes, or new fabric to make clothes, means that new clothes of that quality will no longer be a common item.

15 years is a long time and im sure they would have had to make/repair clothes during that time, they must have gotten pretty good at it.


Once the permanence of the blackout set in (probably within the first year), all of the new clothes would be gone (sold off, in the areas that still had some degree of order, and stolen everywhere else), followed by all of the fabric and other materials needed to make clothes.

The average person has lots of clothes that they barely wear, if you abadoned home you would leave lots of clothes behind, clothes others would find years later. Plus there are factories, warehouses and trucks full of them lying around. In the market scene you see a bunch of clothes in the background that lookin good condition.


Add in 10-15 years of washing a much smaller number of items (these people fled the cities, so they only took a handful of items), and their clothes should look much more worn and faded.

If you only use water your clothes last a lot longer, and cleaning chemicals would not be common place.


So unless each of these communities that we've seen have someone that used to be a professional tailor or seamstress, the clothes the characters are wearing would not look like they just came off the rack at Gap.

There may well be, or maybe over the years they learned.

Dumper
September 26th, 2012, 01:30 PM
As long as they have clean underwear, that is all that matters. ;)

escyos
September 26th, 2012, 03:11 PM
As long as they have clean underwear, that is all that matters. ;)

Better yet, not wear underwear at all!

dr.chrismckay
September 26th, 2012, 03:27 PM
I did have a chance to see the pilot, where can you see more episodes? Hulu isn't showing them.

MasySyma
September 26th, 2012, 03:28 PM
I'm done with this show. The heroine is way to naive. That and annoying. The flashbacks don't help, and the rebuilt tech is too primitive. I see too much flash and not enough substance.

knowles2
September 26th, 2012, 04:05 PM
What? That's clear. The uncle and "that one chick from that other show" of course, since there's only one "chick from that other show".

This was a great continuation of the show and I really liked Charlie in this episode. So far we only saw her kill one other person and that was to protect family. Being proactive and killing someone who isn't a threat to you, your family, or your objective is a BIG thing. I read the review on IGN and they felt it was inconsistent. I felt it was entirely consistent with her character.

Maybe we see a character kill one person and we expect them not to have any qualms about killing anybody else. But that's not true.

I really liked the actors they have on the show and I think they are moving the the right directions not beating around the bush with the central mystery. I assume that Charlie's stepmother and friend will be stumbling over the clues to wear Charlie's daddy wanted them to go.

I have a theory on how the computers with power are interconnected

and that theory is They are connecting with satellites that are outside the field of influence from whatever turned off the power. The only problem with that is computers do not connect directly with satellites they connect to a series of machines and then to a dish that transmits the data. But since the power is gone then how do they achieve connections over vast distances.

Then I imagine the equipment in that room shown at the end of episode 1 contains all that functionality.

Well that the smart way to explain it. Light is not affected by what ever turn off the electricity, so a simple laser could be use to communicate directlywith specially design satelites, in theory anyway, believe Nasa is planning to launch a satelite to demonstrate the technology and you could easily use a laser that is invisible to the human eye to keep the communication secret. An you do not need very powerful lasers, an they can be made pretty small.

It also possible that simply surrounded the cables linking the two computers with organic, self sustaining flesh as that would protect electron from what ever interfering with electricty, as us humans and animals going unaffective by the effect shows.

An other possibility would be some sought of quantum entanglement communications.

jelgate
September 26th, 2012, 04:32 PM
I did have a chance to see the pilot, where can you see more episodes? Hulu isn't showing them.

Yes it is. I watched episode 2 on Hulu

Mrja84
September 27th, 2012, 07:10 AM
Yes it is. I watched episode 2 on Hulu

You can also check nbc.com for episodes.

garhkal
September 28th, 2012, 09:15 PM
Hey ;)
How did Charly's Dad know the power would go out and why did he not stop it? (until that is cleared up, I have my issues with the man (IMHO he deserves having been shot!)...I would go as far as to say that I hate him based on the limited information that we have, because he ruined everybodys lives!)


Perhaps the "person" that lady was talking to at the end, and Ben were all part of some 'end of days like cult' prepping for the end of power, and he knew of the signs it was impending..


I don't think it is dragging on, it's only been 2 episodes. And they already have two of the main characters looking for Grace who I assume is the "girl from the other show" who helped Charlie's brother with the asthma. So they are now waiting for her story to cross with the others, they are actively getting the threads to mix and mingle.

But why/how is it this grace also has one of the devices Ben made?? And who is that randal at the end who came to kill her? He also had one.

Morbo
September 29th, 2012, 02:27 PM
2nd ep was alright. not really any better than the first.
interesting to see mom still alive. i wonder why charlie thinks shes dead.
and now there's this mysterious randall fella.

Mrja84
October 1st, 2012, 07:50 AM
2nd ep was alright. not really any better than the first.
interesting to see mom still alive. i wonder why charlie thinks shes dead.
and now there's this mysterious randall fella.

According to a review of the 2nd episode, when reporters got a screening of the pilot during the summer at the end of the pilot episode was originally the reveal of mom being alive, but apparently they changed that to Grace and then used it for the second episode.

Who knows maybe despite people's thoughts the big surprise is that the Blackout was caused by a natural event and Ben and the others were merely trying to prepare for it.

Morbo
October 1st, 2012, 01:23 PM
hmm interesting.

i'm hoping they let us know what caused the blackout by at latest the middle of the season.
if they want viewers to hang on, they gotta give us something.

Mrja84
October 1st, 2012, 07:12 PM
hmm interesting.

i'm hoping they let us know what caused the blackout by at latest the middle of the season.
if they want viewers to hang on, they gotta give us something.

Where let's see, we know how the militia got started, we know there are people with the ability to bring power back in isolated areas, we know there's a resistance, and we have Aaron and Maggie looking into the necklace Ben gave Aaron in the pilot.

I highly doubt we will know by the middle of the season what caused the blackout, but I think we will learn more about who this group is with a book carrying the symbol of power on it.

Brother Freyr
October 1st, 2012, 08:49 PM
Another series with a post-electrical world was Dark Angel. I recall enjoying it well enough to watch through to the end. People who like Revolution (or at least like the idea of a post-electricity setting) might give Dark Angel a try.

(I haven't read all 10 pages of this thread. Sorry if Dark Angel was already mentioned.)

Sp!der
October 2nd, 2012, 12:55 AM
I liked the third episode much more than the second ! The characters are rally growing on you and why does the Jacob actor play in almost every show since lost ? I like that guy but he is definitley overused ! How are the ratings ? It does look good though, doesn't it ? Hope we get a full season order soon...

Dumper
October 2nd, 2012, 01:20 PM
I liked the third episode much more than the second ! The characters are rally growing on you and why does the Jacob actor play in almost every show since lost ? I like that guy but he is definitley overused ! How are the ratings ? It does look good though, doesn't it ? Hope we get a full season order soon...

It's just been given a full season.

http://blastr.com/2012/10/looks-like-well-be-gettin.php

garhkal
October 2nd, 2012, 01:31 PM
Nice... though the sucky thing is i will be missing a few eps while i move fro gulfport up to columbus oh.

escyos
October 2nd, 2012, 01:38 PM
I just heard the news!

So IN YOUR FACE naysayers, this at least means that even if the show gets cancelled second season at least there was a bigger first season.

(PS. Anyone else kind of annoyed at shows these days have only 13 episodes? (and yes I am aware it saves money))

Gen. Chris
October 2nd, 2012, 01:54 PM
Good...good...

the fifth man
October 2nd, 2012, 06:28 PM
I am glad to hear Revolution has been given a full season order. The wife and I are really enjoying this so far.

jelgate
October 2nd, 2012, 07:59 PM
Not surprising. Only utter flops don't get the full season

Gen. Chris
October 2nd, 2012, 08:13 PM
Not surprising. Only utter flops don't get the full season

Well, flops can be either flops with the critics or flops with the fans.

jelgate
October 2nd, 2012, 08:23 PM
All that matter is flops with the ratings

Gen. Chris
October 2nd, 2012, 09:30 PM
All that matter is flops with the ratings

True.

Sp!der
October 2nd, 2012, 10:44 PM
I am glad we got a chance, now lets see how it will develop from here...

Morbo
October 3rd, 2012, 02:28 AM
Not surprising. Only utter flops don't get the full season

terra nova

jelgate
October 3rd, 2012, 06:05 AM
Terra Nova is the exception to the rule because of its massive budget and long production schedule

Mrja84
October 3rd, 2012, 09:00 AM
I liked the third episode much more than the second ! The characters are rally growing on you and why does the Jacob actor play in almost every show since lost ? I like that guy but he is definitley overused ! How are the ratings ? It does look good though, doesn't it ? Hope we get a full season order soon...

Who's Jacob?

Morbo
October 3rd, 2012, 04:08 PM
who's jacob?

l o s t

Mrja84
October 3rd, 2012, 04:44 PM
l o s t

Oh Mark, well he is most certainly, under used. He is such a terrific actor I have fun everytime I watch him.

Brother Freyr
October 5th, 2012, 02:47 AM
I caught up with the series (episode 3) and caught up with this thread. Observations:


WOW, there was a lot of hate for this show before the pilot ever aired. I'm surprised by the intensity of the criticism for aspects perceived as unrealistic. I mean, how can people so extremely displeased by flaws in realism enjoy the Stargate franchise? I enjoy nitpicking and discussing flaws, too, especially in the shows that I enjoy. Revolution hadn't even aired, however, and posters had decided the show was awful.

Clothes and cosmetics. Yeah, pretty damned good for 15 years after cataclysm. The cosmetics in Game of Thrones is impressive, too. Television viewers like to see pretty people. Get over it.

We don't yet know how many people died in the first year after the "event", but I imagine billions starved to death (or died of dehydration when municipal water systems ceased to function). In industrialized economies, if you can't quickly transport the food supply from where it's grown to where it's consumed, people starve. When people and their children starve, they do ANYTHING for survival. It would have become very brutal, very quickly.

For those who didn't horribly die in the months following the cataclysm, the new world doesn't look so bad. Well, as long as you're relatively healthy and uninjured. (It's gotta be brutal for people with chronic injuries, pain, disease, etc.)



that whiny girl made it impossible to watch it,, she just makes life miserable for everyone trying to help her.. once again the writers have moron kids ruining shows... the kids whine, get their way, and good guys get killed because of their tantrums.
I'm not enamored with the all the young leads in recent shows, but let's be fair: Charlie learned from the experience. Only one episode later, she herself was killing. Less whiny. More understanding. I like to see character growth. Good job, showrunners.

Conclusion: I'm cautiously optimistic. I think I'll enjoy the show despite a number of flaws. I'm pessimistic toward its chances for renewal. Shows like this don't have a good track record for surviving long.

LtColCarter
October 5th, 2012, 09:36 AM
Well, I watched this week's episode. I need to go back and watch what I've missed. IDK if I'd like the show, but I was pleasantly surprised last night when I watched it.

the fifth man
October 5th, 2012, 06:35 PM
My wife and I both really like how this show is developing. IMO, the before and now scenes are a great way to tell this story. We really hope this show continues to do well.

Gollumpus
October 5th, 2012, 07:15 PM
I'm still having trouble with Charlie.

At the start:
"I'm responsible for Danny, but I like to do risky things that could endanger him due to his condition. When I get called on it I have to go off and sulk, just before the militia arrives, so now I feel guilty about my dad being killed and Danny being taken hostage because I wasn't there."

We are supposed to believe that Charlie is "growing" in this show, becoming more responsible and protective of others, and yet we have not seen anything of this kind of growth in the first two episodes. If this is so, why does she abandon her companions at the drop of a hat? She is the only tracker/hunter of the starting group of three, and yet she leaves them on their own about once an episode to make their way through fairly rough terrain which could hold unknown dangers.

She is pretty good at being outraged at the thought of slavery, so she isn't all bad I suppose. I wonder how she'd feel if she saw Aaron (Google guy) and Maggie had been captured and forced to join that forced labor gang because they didn't have a proper tracker/guide?

regards,
G.

Brother Freyr
October 6th, 2012, 05:46 AM
We are supposed to believe that Charlie is "growing" in this show, becoming more responsible and protective of others, and yet we have not seen anything of this kind of growth in the first two episodes.Episode three is where I saw character growth. I hope it continues, since there's lots of room for improvement.

Morbo
October 6th, 2012, 06:58 AM
charlie is by far the worst character. insufferably flippyfloppy.
show is following the typical storylines so far. waiting for it to turn into something interesting.

Krisz
October 6th, 2012, 01:42 PM
Well, I've watched 3 episodes and....nothing, still haven't enjoyed it. Reminds me a bit of 'Waterworld' ,where reluctant loner hero is drawn into fighting a group that brutally terrorises those who are left into submission after society collapses. In this case it isn't land they are trying to find but the key to bring back the means to use electricity again.

If there is one thing that is putting me off completely is listening to the righteous whining of that girl every five minutes it seems. I don't think a character has annoyed me so much in a long time, things are so much better when she's not around. Would have been better if she was taken and her brother was on the quest to get her back, he is a much better character! If she is killed by a militia sniper, or even by a pack of feral cats I won't miss that character!

If nothing turns up to wow me in the next two or three episodes I'll stop using the wonderful power of electricity to watch this!

Mrja84
October 6th, 2012, 09:08 PM
Why is everyone hard on Charlie? She's a lot like Daniel Jackson. She's a moral center.

Is it because she's young and a girl? Do people not like being preached to by young girls?

I love seeing young characters get their beliefs challenged, compared, and contrasted against a brutal world.

Anyway. I'm loving it.

Morbo
October 7th, 2012, 01:24 PM
daniel jackson wasn't insufferable. insufferable characters are annoying and make stupid decisions because they're stupid. daniel jackson was a smart person who did things because he was smart AND moral.

also, this girl grew up in this world. she didn't just appear in it and now has to live in it. she should know exactly how the world acts. she should be finding out anything.

Rosehawk
October 8th, 2012, 07:27 PM
daniel jackson wasn't insufferable. insufferable characters are annoying and make stupid decisions because they're stupid. daniel jackson was a smart person who did things because he was smart AND moral.

also, this girl grew up in this world. she didn't just appear in it and now has to live in it. she should know exactly how the world acts. she should be finding out anything.
She is also very young and has a lot to learn to understand. Just because she grew up in it, doesn't mean she understands how everything works. That comes with time and experiences. Her world has been turned upside down with the death of her father, her brother being kidnapped...all her security is gone... and now with tonight's episode...she's lost even more...

Doesn't make her stupid...makes her emotional and reactive, things not all that uncommon for teenagers/young adults.

spratty
October 8th, 2012, 10:47 PM
I want to know why the hell they are using muskets?, I have spoken to a gun nut friend and read into this and you can make bullets without the use of modern machinery and also you can make more efficient guns and ammo like used at the turn of last century, I honestly think they are going a revolutionary war look with the muskets but it still detracts from reality too much for a show that is meant to be ground into our world and especially since it is meant to be America where there is meant to be more ammunition than people.

Mrja84
October 9th, 2012, 07:54 AM
Great episode tonight, I was really surprised by this. The guy who lost his daughter not so much, but it was good seeing the characters together and we even got to see more backstory stuff.

I'm not sure if the producers ever said they consulted experts on this. But without more information about how to make bullets without modern machinery, then I still buy the muskets usage.

At the very least, maybe Monroe is hoarding the modern bullets and weaponry and letting his soldiers use the more basic and crude stuff.

Brother Freyr
October 9th, 2012, 08:00 AM
I want to know why the hell they are using muskets?, I have spoken to a gun nut friend and read into this and you can make bullets without the use of modern machinery and also you can make more efficient guns and ammo like used at the turn of last century, I honestly think they are going a revolutionary war look with the muskets but it still detracts from reality too much for a show that is meant to be ground into our world and especially since it is meant to be America where there is meant to be more ammunition than people.I figured you needed foundries and factories to produce the brass shells. I wouldn't know, though.

Gem of Tigress
October 9th, 2012, 08:41 AM
I've been watching the show. I don't love it but I don't hate it either, I think it is an interesting concept. :) The power goes out, how we adapt and all that.
but, you could still make bullets ( if you've seen Falling Skies you know that they were making bullets without electricity too) and considering how many people died in the blackout, it wouldn't be that hard to find the more modern weapons.

Sp!der
October 9th, 2012, 09:45 AM
I loved this episode and I think it is the best episode since well ever. The flashbacks were wisley put and gives us a good background about the world shortly after the blackout happened ! hope it improves more !

LtColCarter
October 10th, 2012, 08:41 AM
Its still holding my interest. I'm starting to see it as sortta Hunger Games-esque...

Mrja84
October 10th, 2012, 11:33 AM
I've been watching the show. I don't love it but I don't hate it either, I think it is an interesting concept. :) The power goes out, how we adapt and all that.
but, you could still make bullets ( if you've seen Falling Skies you know that they were making bullets without electricity too) and considering how many people died in the blackout, it wouldn't be that hard to find the more modern weapons.

Not true, they had electricity. They had generators and car batteries to use as energy sources. Plus, in Falling Skies, it's merely a few months to almost year after the initial attack. In Revolution, it's been 15 years.

So while in FS they can find weapons and such, in Revolution, those were the first targets (or one of) of the militias in order to gain an advantage over their enemies.

Not to mention, it has been explicitly stated that Monroe keeps the good guns in reserve for when he gets the power back.

escyos
October 13th, 2012, 01:54 AM
Did anyone else notice the continuity they put into the show with the clock at Independence Hall being at 9:23 and Maggie's phone (which went off in Seattle) being 6:23. Its the little things that they put in.

Sp!der
October 13th, 2012, 08:11 AM
Did anyone else notice the continuity they put into the show with the clock at Independence Hall being at 9:23 and Maggie's phone (which went off in Seattle) being 6:23. Its the little things that they put in.

No I didn't but I like when they care for such things.

the fifth man
October 14th, 2012, 05:25 PM
This is quickly becoming one of the shows my wife and I look forward to the most each week.

The Lady Blue
October 14th, 2012, 06:52 PM
I watched the first episode, and it was alright. I'm not sure that I'll be watching more of it because of how it ended.

If they were going to reveal that certain people do possess the ability to use electric power, then I think that should have waited a bit because that took the premise of the series down for me. Now, it just seems to be about thugs and whoever else fighting for the "prize." I imagine it will continue to do fine, though.

Mrja84
October 15th, 2012, 08:03 AM
I watched the first episode, and it was alright. I'm not sure that I'll be watching more of it because of how it ended.


We already see that Ben Matheson told his brother about the power turning off before it happened. So it's obvious that there's something going on. It's not a spoiler for the pilot. It hints to the viewer of that larger thread in the background.

It shows that they are going somewhere and it's not just post-modern society for the sake of it. There is a larger story they want to tell. Besides, if you watch the the episodes after that you will learn more about the characters and what happened in the past.

It's good stuff. No pilot episode is worth anything. A TV show is based on a series of episodes and not just one 45 minute view will capture it all.

Mrja84
October 16th, 2012, 01:12 PM
Saw the recent episode "Soul Train". Kinda disappointed there wasn't dancing going on, but oh well.

I liked Charlie's progression. She was real close to Danny and it slipped away. At the end she was packed and ready to go.

Not really surprised by Not-Nate's real name. I just really don't buy into his flippy attitude with helping Charlie nor that instant "connection" from the pilot. I wished we got to see them travel for a while and develop a bond before he was revealed as a militia man.

Glad to see the spotlight on Neville. Solid episode.

Gen. Chris
October 16th, 2012, 01:30 PM
It was awesome seeing Neville's character before the blackout...Not a cruel man at all. Amazing what a global blackout and the fall of civilization can do to people.

spratty
October 16th, 2012, 03:17 PM
YAAY! they finally had a steam train! so that answers the question about steam combustion working.

Sp!der
October 17th, 2012, 10:39 AM
This is quickly becoming one of the shows my wife and I look forward to the most each week.

glad u guys are liking it that much !!! :) I loved this episode as well, the train, the fights, captain neville and an utterly underused Jeff Fahey hope he comes back !

VampyreWraith
October 17th, 2012, 02:32 PM
I'm really enjoying this show, I find it entertaining and look forward to watching it. I hate that there isn't a new episode next week. I really like all the Monroe/Miles/militia stuff; it's pretty much my favorite thing about the show. Charlie is still my least favorite part of the show, but she seems to be getting better(she seems to have less lines too). She isn't having as many emotional outburst scenes(I understand that it would be normal for the character to be emotional given what has happened, but I find the actress' preformance during those scenes annoying). I actually liked her for the most part in the latest episode. I didn't like her at the end though; I didn't find her in charge tough girl act convincing(but I don't know if it was meant to be). I also find the thing between Charlie and Neville's son really contrived. They keep giving each other these looks that make me roll my eyes.

the fifth man
October 17th, 2012, 08:00 PM
It was awesome seeing Neville's character before the blackout...Not a cruel man at all. Amazing what a global blackout and the fall of civilization can do to people.

The capacity for who he is now was always in him. The blackout just allowed that side to come out and flourish.

the fifth man
October 17th, 2012, 08:01 PM
glad u guys are liking it that much !!! :) I loved this episode as well, the train, the fights, captain neville and an utterly underused Jeff Fahey hope he comes back !

Yeah, we both really are enjoying it thus far. This past episode was another really good one. I loved the back-story on Neville.

Mrja84
October 18th, 2012, 08:11 AM
It was awesome seeing Neville's character before the blackout...Not a cruel man at all. Amazing what a global blackout and the fall of civilization can do to people.

That's debatable. He constantly got pushed down and even told his son not to hit other people. I think he was afraid and saw his place in life as a bottom feeder.

Then his home got broken into after the blackout and the guy was basically beating him up in front of his kid. He got sick and tired of it.

I highly believe he had visions of taking back power. And then he saw that he was able to carve out a higher place in life and took the opportunity and threw away all the lessons he taught his son.


YAAY! they finally had a steam train! so that answers the question about steam combustion working.

Why was there a question about it? Electricity is gone (well man-made electricity I guess IDK).



Overall I loved this episode and I see Charlie is now becoming more determined and isn't willing to waste anymore time.

Gem of Tigress
October 18th, 2012, 12:51 PM
Not true, they had electricity. They had generators and car batteries to use as energy sources. Plus, in Falling Skies, it's merely a few months to almost year after the initial attack. In Revolution, it's been 15 years.

So while in FS they can find weapons and such, in Revolution, those were the first targets (or one of) of the militias in order to gain an advantage over their enemies.

Not to mention, it has been explicitly stated that Monroe keeps the good guns in reserve for when he gets the power back.

Yes, they did have a generator but I don't remember Pope using it to make the bullets, if I remember correctly ( which I'm problably not, haven't seen that episode in a while :) ) Scott was using the generator to keep the radio going so he could find the skitter frequency. (still probably going to watch that one again :) )
About the guns... Yes, in Falling Skies it had only been a few months, but I don't think Monroe could search every house, car, shed, or barn in his territory for all the modern weapons. And it had to take time to form his milita anyway (If I remember right, it was somewhere around six months after the blackout when he put his 'team' together) and by that time you could find plenty of guns and bullets.
yep, I can't wait to see if he pulls out the 'big guns' near the end of the season. :)

Dellruby
October 18th, 2012, 05:05 PM
Also the cities look far more decayed than they would really be after 15 years, way to much plant growth. These are the basics who would expect them to get right.

Just wondering what you are basing that on. I'm from a city where parts of it have been abandoned for only 2 years, you would be amazed at how quickly places get over grown.
I would add a pic here, but my file is to large

Ian-S
October 18th, 2012, 05:32 PM
Yeah I was going to say the same, back where I used to live a house went into probate after the owner died, and within a few years you could not even see the house from the road, nor access it easily due to the overgrowth.

spratty
October 18th, 2012, 08:51 PM
Why was there a question about it? Electricity is gone (well man-made electricity I guess IDK).



I was unsure what the go with steam engines were up until this episode, though the scene at the docks in the last episode did mention steamers, but I always found it odd that steam and rail was not being more utilised.

Dellruby
October 19th, 2012, 01:09 AM
I have only seen the pilot and first show so far, It only started this week...and I haven't read all the pages here, Only the first two. So far the show is good, but time will tell.

ZRFTS
October 22nd, 2012, 09:03 AM
Pilot

NBC is a television network in distress; after several years of massive blowups like the Jay Leno/Conan O'Brian it found itself bought by Comcast who is attempting to rebuild the network; have taken a page from 1995 and added tons of sitcoms like "Whitney", "Guys with Kids" and "The New Normal". Oh and they have also added this show, "Revolution", the show seemingly designed to gather that rookie audience that NBC desires. Now this show has everything for NBC, it's placed after The Voice, it has J.J. Abrams onboard, it has huge promotion that equals much of NBC's budget for the year.

But that's the problem.


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Just like Luke Skywalker.

First off, the premise is terrible; this has been talked about before many times, the inconveniences of what happens (electricty going off, jets falling), the obvious message about people being obsessed with technology, the ignorance of logistics and watching the pilot in full does nothing to change what has been talked about before. People are supposed to suspend disbelief for this to work but it's hard to suspend disbelief when you've painted yourself in a corner from episode 1. Fortunately... The show does have it's characters which hopefully should prevent me from asking questions. We have Charlie, the red haired girl who's the daughter of the one who plays a major part, we have Rachel who reminds me of Lost's Claire and has a protective side, we have Aaron who is the requisite geek character and we have the star attraction Danny who has deep connections, mystique and expertise. All of these characters have interesting backstories with Charlie's deep connection with her father, the various places she wants to visit; Aaron with him being a Google executive with lost money and it is these backstories that give a certain kind of charms that invites us to these characters and make us care for them throughout the show.

Unfortunately, everybody here acts incredibly weak with a forced sense of dramaticism, emotion, tensity and even normal line delivery that all of the actors suffer from, Charlie consistently seems like she's trying so hard to inject character in every place that she's seeming like she's drawing from reference and speaking as if she was reading it from the page. Whenever she tries to emote, she overacts with a wobbly voice and an emotional state where no tears bother to come out. Aaron is overly cliched, annoying and lacking of any redeeming traits whatsoever; it's as if he's specifically designed to appeal to a specific audience as he acts overly weak and scared while speaking in a tone that seems socially awkward. Danny is the ultimate stereotype acting like a wiseguy who knows how to fight, cracks up jokes and claims to not join but joins in the end. The best character in this isn't even a main character but a minor character who's an African American woman that has actual personality and an interesting backstory; there's a certain charm to her that just infects your mind, the way she let out her words, the way she interacts, it suggests tons of character, character that you can actually feel, character that just begs you to follow her.


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Our heroes in Tatooine.

As J.J. Abrams fans know, there is a certain complexion that surrounds his work from "Lost" to even his 2009 remake of Star Trek. People can watch the entire thing and enjoy it but it takes a trained eye to notice the subtleties... this show does not have any of that complexion, in fact everything seems to be pushed in your face. The entire show has the feeling of a Star Wars without electricity, an evil empire who has taken over the world and one girl being raised in a simple farming environment, unaware of her true purpose; heck it is evident when you first watch the show itself from the first scenes of Charlie to when her father dies to when everybody joins up together, they even had a lunchbox with "Return of the Jedi" on it, just in case you didn't notice the obvious clues that could only be more obvious if a sign in Vegas blared it out. The settings that they're in are seemingly designed to fit a certain scene whether it's the first sight of love, the creepy setting or even a highly choreographed fight sequences.

As I watched our characters graced through trees, rock like settings and even dark rooms with stairs and candlelights on them. I can tell that these environments weren't natural to the world themselves, that they only exist to serve the mood of whatever the producers want; to me it suggests that the producers lack the soul to create an environment that was unique and didn't have obvious overtones (just look at Minority Report) and the fight scenes are overly flashy and detrimental to the premise as a whole; never in 15 years have I seen guys who were so used to electricity suddenly know how to swordfight and take guys out with ease; these were people who lived normal lives, didn't know how to fight and now they know how to take out a guy with style and grace usually reserved for James Bond? And just look at Danny and his cohorts, he's swinging that sword around quickly, gracefully avoiding his cohorts like a gazelle, putting more focus on his moves than the actual fighting himself... It is this fighting which gives action movies it's cliche name, it is this fighting which was the most criticized of the Star Wars prequels, style over substance, excess over believability. It's a trend that makes it really hard to take the world seriously even though it's decently executed.

And we can't forget about the mystery itself; we have various militia who has taken over the world, we have this odd orb thing that is praised highly, we have odd symbols, we even have a shady group. Normally the people watching this would find this mysterious, just the sheer sight of these items and mention of the conspiracy that presents itself; it's kind of obvious what makes these things mysterious but they point it out almost every time. Throughout the episode you have the close up shots which clearly reveal items and gives a subtle hint to the viewer that this is important; it would be good if they referenced it only once but they do it 3-4 times even when the close-up in general is established and it quickly becomes tiring and gimmicky because it makes it clear that the producers have no idea what subtly is, heck the fact that they have to make it aware doesn't say much for the producer's abilities in general. Then there's the whole sheer logic being exchanged drama and vaguness, the main character seemingly stumbling over his words as he tries to explain the situation. We get that it's a mystery, we get that it's suspicious, we're an intelligent audience, we're capable of figuring things out for ourselves...

The militia do prove to be somewhat interesting, it has a connection with the group behind the blackout, one of what will be the main guys are in it and the African American guy is quite arguably the second best character with his Clint Eastwood-like behavior and his humble yet domineering performance yet they do nothing but scream generecy with threatening standoffs that involve generic phrases and scenes that have a bad guy face to face with a good guy with the prisoner transport scene inbetween. They barely do anything to separate themselves from Star Wars "Galactic Empire", in fact it seems like the only truly different thing seems to be the inclusion of one of the family members who serves to be one of those recurring characters with a confusing mix of impeccable skills and natural weakness. It seems like the only interesting thing about them is that they exist in this world, all while a family member hopefully finds a way to get back to where he once was while suffering the same flaws as the rest. They fit the world, they have history but should we consider that enough?


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Bow down to the galactic empire.

The pilot episode confirmed what I had feared about the show; this is a mess of a concept with a lack of focus, overly flashy presentation, tons of obviousness and a lack of faith in it's audience. The acting is subpar with the backstories being better than the characters themselves, the premise is more confusing than time travel, the story itself feels like a weak rehash of Star Wars and yet... I can expect this being renewed for a second season. I can't blame them, NBC desperately wants a hit show and sci-fi fans/the general public wants something that's at least entertainable and there is some stuff that I find interesting about this show but NBC and the public should be expecting a bit more from themselves. This stuff is detrimental to quality as a whole, it's a polished product sure but polish does not always equal brilliance and this is from J.J. Abrams no less. I am really disappointed but I am willing to see if this little train of hope goes somewhere; they certainly got something planned for the show right?

2.0/10

Morbo
October 22nd, 2012, 12:26 PM
finally caught up with last week's episode. ugh. charlie is definitely the worst. so terrible.

VampyreWraith
October 22nd, 2012, 12:57 PM
I think she'd be a better character if most of the other characters didn't act like she can do no wrong. Miles is the only one that tells her off, but that's treated like a bad thing on the show. Charlie always ends up in the right at the end since she's the moral center/heroine or whatever; it's annoying.

escyos
October 22nd, 2012, 02:29 PM
finally caught up with last week's episode. ugh. charlie is definitely the worst. so terrible.

For being upset that her father was killed, her brother was kidnapped, her uncle was not the man she expected, the guy she liked turned out to be a spy, her surrogate mother was killed, she had her brother in her grasp but lost him again and you think she would be all smiles wouldn't you....

Considering how much she's been through in 3 weeks shes a lot stronger than most people.

the fifth man
October 22nd, 2012, 07:02 PM
For being upset that her father was killed, her brother was kidnapped, her uncle was not the man she expected, the guy she liked turned out to be a spy, her surrogate mother was killed, she had her brother in her grasp but lost him again and you think she would be all smiles wouldn't you....

Considering how much she's been through in 3 weeks shes a lot stronger than most people.

Well when you put it that way.;)

ZRFTS
October 23rd, 2012, 05:32 AM
Chained Heat
Since this is a complex series with a complex mythology, there are a lot of things that have to be established, things such as the characters, premise and the world at hand and watching the pilot, some of that stuff is established but there's a whole lot more stuff to establish, henceforth, this episode can be seen as a continuation of the pilot; except it has more of a coherent plot.

The theme of this episode could be the winds the change and the attempts to break past the norm. Danny with his loner status, Charlie with her uncertain, worrisome nature and Rachel with her pictures of the past being confronted with the help she is provided, the willingness she goes to in light of her new views and the sense of hope that is given by another guy. It is certainly interesting how they look into all three, the type of stuff that they hint at with Danny in regards to his position and behavior and Charlie with her flashbacks that contrast the troubling situation of her past life with that of her situation at hand. They utilize it in almost impressive ways, showing the types of situations that justify their decisions, implementing those situations in both a plot and a character-wise way... It gives off a deepness that makes the plot something more, makes these characters almost engaging as they go about and grow within the winds; as Charlie faces off with a guy having to make the eventual choice, as Danny reluctantly accepts the help, as Rachel becomes hopeful of her situation, they prove dynamic in nature and show that they're serious about their characters.

Unfortunately, the acting behind the characters doesn't match up with the stories themselves. Much of what they do has to be reflected by many things; looks, words, reactions, the occasional off-beat action. When you see a guy breaking his neck and you want to utilize that to reflect some portion of the character, you have to actually look the part, reflect what the character is feeling and the characters here can't seem to do that, more often or not failing to sell the illusion of the world. Charlie in particular fails the most, this is supposed to be a character who's overly protected, surrounded by loss and wants to prove her worth yet she can't show any kind of emotion or impact; to her, disappointment equates a blank look, one that doesn't provide a window into her soul and anger equates to making her voice louder while throwing her voice off somewhat... She detracts from every scene when she attempts to act and it turns people away from her character, away from her story which is the better part of her character; in fact her younger self in the flashbacks manages to act better than her older self as she manages to show the kind of innocence, soul, emotion and character that she herself lacks in the future. I know, I'm surprised...


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Just another day for the Militia.

Another theme is the expansion of the world that consist of this show, full of moral possibilities and immense depth throughout. It's impressive as to what is provided in terms of life, the various bazaars that they roam through filled with people roaming around, buying stuff while a religious nut shouts out stuff, the various bars that they go into are filled with the people playing games, almost seeming casual in nature... Though the Militia may seem like the evil empire from Star Wars you can see how their presence has an influence on life; their laws, their rules, their almost dominating presence, it makes us think about the militia and their ways, their various sociological structures and behind-the-scenes routines and it makes those thoughts have impact, more so than the actual reveals themselves. (although it is nice to see their routines, the way they deal with those who break the law, the way they take care of their dead...) These types of things are a trademark of J.J. Abrams series and this episode does a nice job at establishing that, showing that there's more to this show than just a rehashing of Star Wars but without electricity.

Certain flaws do dilute this theme though, for instance; we've been told that there's been a riot, that there's a situation for survival but ask yourself this, if you'd stumbled upon a grassy field with a brown circle in the middle, who would you assume did it; someone else or aliens? At this point in time we want to see how bad the situation is, I can understand budgetary concerns but this just takes weight out of the stuff said and further hurts it's premise. Every word has to have weight in order to be believable, they have to actually seem like these people are being controlled by a bunch of oddball rules, that there's a black market the likes of which we have never seen; if they can't have weight then where does it leave us? There are many chances to separate this world from the others, just to divert criticism and make more of it; granted it's the second episode but introducing "Rebels" isn't helping. Their talks about hope and freedom immediately reflect upon the Rebel Alliance and their hopes to overthrow the evil empire; while they do include some sophistication in there, it doesn't help to deflect comparisons. Additionally, the need to push out the mystery dilutes the immense depth throughout; we get that the blackout could be man made, we get that we can stop it; if the Writers don't have faith in us then what's the point in creating a complex mythology?


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Their version of life.

The logistics of the series also interferes in many of what they're trying to do. There are many examples here, Rachel's emotional plot about her iPhone, Charlie's brother with the Milita...; in the case of the two they throw away common sense just to fit in the subtexts of the plot. The Milita makes many stops along the way despite the fact that there are chances for him to escape, Rachel explains that her iPhone contains every picture of their kids despite the options she had at the time; common sense would dictate many things like not stopping and saving your photos and it is those things that take people out of the plots, Rachel's struggle in remembering her kids, Charlie's brother uncertainty and fear in the hands of the militia; it's admirable in the amount of character that they try to provide but no one should be thinking about how those pictures would of been lost if anything happened to the iPhone and no one should be thinking about how many stops they're making. Additionally, they shouldn't have to try to cram in distracting, flashy, contradictory and unnecessary fight scenes The show should focus more on the characters than the action, it just throws everything off whenever they include them; the seeming lack of finesse, the perception of the characters... I want to like the show not question it.

This episode does expand further on the premise of the show, getting about the stuff the pilot didn't have a chance to do and it's slightly better than the pilot but it's also the same as the pilot as well. This episode does reaffirm one thing, that the various backstories, the various concepts, the various intricacies are more interesting than the actual results themselves. A good idea is one thing, it can span out for many miles and allow for many paths to be taken but there has to be people who are capable of exploiting that idea, people who can step up to the plate and satisfy demands; otherwise it's just an idea. The people here are incapable of exploiting that idea and as a result, we're left with an episode that's known more for it's possibilities than it's content.
2.5/10