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escyos
October 23rd, 2012, 09:23 AM
Zombie you seem to hate the show, so...why do you keep watching?

Sp!der
October 23rd, 2012, 09:27 AM
Chained Heat
Since this is a complex series with a complex mythology, there are a lot of things that have to be established, things such as the characters, premise and the world at hand and watching the pilot, some of that stuff is established but there's a whole lot more stuff to establish, henceforth, this episode can be seen as a continuation of the pilot; except it has more of a coherent plot.

The theme of this episode could be the winds the change and the attempts to break past the norm. Danny with his loner status, Charlie with her uncertain, worrisome nature and Rachel with her pictures of the past being confronted with the help she is provided, the willingness she goes to in light of her new views and the sense of hope that is given by another guy. It is certainly interesting how they look into all three, the type of stuff that they hint at with Danny in regards to his position and behavior and Charlie with her flashbacks that contrast the troubling situation of her past life with that of her situation at hand. They utilize it in almost impressive ways, showing the types of situations that justify their decisions, implementing those situations in both a plot and a character-wise way... It gives off a deepness that makes the plot something more, makes these characters almost engaging as they go about and grow within the winds; as Charlie faces off with a guy having to make the eventual choice, as Danny reluctantly accepts the help, as Rachel becomes hopeful of her situation, they prove dynamic in nature and show that they're serious about their characters.

Unfortunately, the acting behind the characters doesn't match up with the stories themselves. Much of what they do has to be reflected by many things; looks, words, reactions, the occasional off-beat action. When you see a guy breaking his neck and you want to utilize that to reflect some portion of the character, you have to actually look the part, reflect what the character is feeling and the characters here can't seem to do that, more often or not failing to sell the illusion of the world. Charlie in particular fails the most, this is supposed to be a character who's overly protected, surrounded by loss and wants to prove her worth yet she can't show any kind of emotion or impact; to her, disappointment equates a blank look, one that doesn't provide a window into her soul and anger equates to making her voice louder while throwing her voice off somewhat... She detracts from every scene when she attempts to act and it turns people away from her character, away from her story which is the better part of her character; in fact her younger self in the flashbacks manages to act better than her older self as she manages to show the kind of innocence, soul, emotion and character that she herself lacks in the future. I know, I'm surprised...


http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/848/revolutionhouse.jpg
Just another day for the Militia.

Another theme is the expansion of the world that consist of this show, full of moral possibilities and immense depth throughout. It's impressive as to what is provided in terms of life, the various bazaars that they roam through filled with people roaming around, buying stuff while a religious nut shouts out stuff, the various bars that they go into are filled with the people playing games, almost seeming casual in nature... Though the Militia may seem like the evil empire from Star Wars you can see how their presence has an influence on life; their laws, their rules, their almost dominating presence, it makes us think about the militia and their ways, their various sociological structures and behind-the-scenes routines and it makes those thoughts have impact, more so than the actual reveals themselves. (although it is nice to see their routines, the way they deal with those who break the law, the way they take care of their dead...) These types of things are a trademark of J.J. Abrams series and this episode does a nice job at establishing that, showing that there's more to this show than just a rehashing of Star Wars but without electricity.

Certain flaws do dilute this theme though, for instance; we've been told that there's been a riot, that there's a situation for survival but ask yourself this, if you'd stumbled upon a grassy field with a brown circle in the middle, who would you assume did it; someone else or aliens? At this point in time we want to see how bad the situation is, I can understand budgetary concerns but this just takes weight out of the stuff said and further hurts it's premise. Every word has to have weight in order to be believable, they have to actually seem like these people are being controlled by a bunch of oddball rules, that there's a black market the likes of which we have never seen; if they can't have weight then where does it leave us? There are many chances to separate this world from the others, just to divert criticism and make more of it; granted it's the second episode but introducing "Rebels" isn't helping. Their talks about hope and freedom immediately reflect upon the Rebel Alliance and their hopes to overthrow the evil empire; while they do include some sophistication in there, it doesn't help to deflect comparisons. Additionally, the need to push out the mystery dilutes the immense depth throughout; we get that the blackout could be man made, we get that we can stop it; if the Writers don't have faith in us then what's the point in creating a complex mythology?


http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/5934/revolutionguyspulling.jpg
Their version of life.

The logistics of the series also interferes in many of what they're trying to do. There are many examples here, Rachel's emotional plot about her iPhone, Charlie's brother with the Milita...; in the case of the two they throw away common sense just to fit in the subtexts of the plot. The Milita makes many stops along the way despite the fact that there are chances for him to escape, Rachel explains that her iPhone contains every picture of their kids despite the options she had at the time; common sense would dictate many things like not stopping and saving your photos and it is those things that take people out of the plots, Rachel's struggle in remembering her kids, Charlie's brother uncertainty and fear in the hands of the militia; it's admirable in the amount of character that they try to provide but no one should be thinking about how those pictures would of been lost if anything happened to the iPhone and no one should be thinking about how many stops they're making. Additionally, they shouldn't have to try to cram in distracting, flashy, contradictory and unnecessary fight scenes The show should focus more on the characters than the action, it just throws everything off whenever they include them; the seeming lack of finesse, the perception of the characters... I want to like the show not question it.

This episode does expand further on the premise of the show, getting about the stuff the pilot didn't have a chance to do and it's slightly better than the pilot but it's also the same as the pilot as well. This episode does reaffirm one thing, that the various backstories, the various concepts, the various intricacies are more interesting than the actual results themselves. A good idea is one thing, it can span out for many miles and allow for many paths to be taken but there has to be people who are capable of exploiting that idea, people who can step up to the plate and satisfy demands; otherwise it's just an idea. The people here are incapable of exploiting that idea and as a result, we're left with an episode that's known more for it's possibilities than it's content.
2.5/10



you really hate this show, dont ya ?

knowles2
October 24th, 2012, 05:12 AM
Zombie you seem to hate the show, so...why do you keep watching?


you really hate this show, dont ya ?

Personally I thought his reviews were fair and mix, he likes some elements in the show. An he only seen the first two episodes.

VampyreWraith
October 24th, 2012, 05:57 AM
I thought Zombie's review was fine. My main problem with the reviews are with the names. I'm guessing that by Danny, you mean Miles. Danny is Charlie's brother, Miles is her uncle. Rachel is Charlie's mother, Maggie is the blonde woman they are traveling with. I agree with some points in the review, disagree with others. I personally, wouldn't have rated either episode that low though(ep1 6.5-7; ep2 7-7.5); but that's just my opinion.

Morbo
October 24th, 2012, 01:39 PM
For being upset that her father was killed, her brother was kidnapped, her uncle was not the man she expected, the guy she liked turned out to be a spy, her surrogate mother was killed, she had her brother in her grasp but lost him again and you think she would be all smiles wouldn't you....

Considering how much she's been through in 3 weeks shes a lot stronger than most people.

that's not what i'm saying.
she acts like a brat, has stupid ideas, and does stupid things.

i know it's not real life, and she's not a real person, and the writers are just writing her that way, but it makes her a completely unlikeable character.

it's hard to sympathize with someone if you can't stand them in the first place.

she's not quite a bad as sookie on true blood, but, the season's young...

---
unrelated to charlie, i will say i did like seeing the map of the US and the different areas. that was interesting.

looks like we're about to have another "war of northern aggression" eh?! eh?! yeeaaahhhh

Wildrose-Wally
October 24th, 2012, 05:32 PM
Try watching the show, and then come back to give your opinion. The way you fumble the names of major characters suggest you've not watched the same show that I have.

Chained Heat
Since this is a complex series with a complex mythology, there are a lot of things that have to be established, things such as the characters, premise and the world at hand and watching the pilot, some of that stuff is established but there's a whole lot more stuff to establish, henceforth, this episode can be seen as a continuation of the pilot; except it has more of a coherent plot.

The theme of this episode could be the winds the change and the attempts to break past the norm. Danny with his loner status, Charlie with her uncertain, worrisome nature and Rachel with her pictures of the past being confronted with the help she is provided, the willingness she goes to in light of her new views and the sense of hope that is given by another guy. It is certainly interesting how they look into all three, the type of stuff that they hint at with Danny in regards to his position and behavior and Charlie with her flashbacks that contrast the troubling situation of her past life with that of her situation at hand. They utilize it in almost impressive ways, showing the types of situations that justify their decisions, implementing those situations in both a plot and a character-wise way... It gives off a deepness that makes the plot something more, makes these characters almost engaging as they go about and grow within the winds; as Charlie faces off with a guy having to make the eventual choice, as Danny reluctantly accepts the help, as Rachel becomes hopeful of her situation, they prove dynamic in nature and show that they're serious about their characters.

Unfortunately, the acting behind the characters doesn't match up with the stories themselves. Much of what they do has to be reflected by many things; looks, words, reactions, the occasional off-beat action. When you see a guy breaking his neck and you want to utilize that to reflect some portion of the character, you have to actually look the part, reflect what the character is feeling and the characters here can't seem to do that, more often or not failing to sell the illusion of the world. Charlie in particular fails the most, this is supposed to be a character who's overly protected, surrounded by loss and wants to prove her worth yet she can't show any kind of emotion or impact; to her, disappointment equates a blank look, one that doesn't provide a window into her soul and anger equates to making her voice louder while throwing her voice off somewhat... She detracts from every scene when she attempts to act and it turns people away from her character, away from her story which is the better part of her character; in fact her younger self in the flashbacks manages to act better than her older self as she manages to show the kind of innocence, soul, emotion and character that she herself lacks in the future. I know, I'm surprised...


http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/848/revolutionhouse.jpg
Just another day for the Militia.

Another theme is the expansion of the world that consist of this show, full of moral possibilities and immense depth throughout. It's impressive as to what is provided in terms of life, the various bazaars that they roam through filled with people roaming around, buying stuff while a religious nut shouts out stuff, the various bars that they go into are filled with the people playing games, almost seeming casual in nature... Though the Militia may seem like the evil empire from Star Wars you can see how their presence has an influence on life; their laws, their rules, their almost dominating presence, it makes us think about the militia and their ways, their various sociological structures and behind-the-scenes routines and it makes those thoughts have impact, more so than the actual reveals themselves. (although it is nice to see their routines, the way they deal with those who break the law, the way they take care of their dead...) These types of things are a trademark of J.J. Abrams series and this episode does a nice job at establishing that, showing that there's more to this show than just a rehashing of Star Wars but without electricity.

Certain flaws do dilute this theme though, for instance; we've been told that there's been a riot, that there's a situation for survival but ask yourself this, if you'd stumbled upon a grassy field with a brown circle in the middle, who would you assume did it; someone else or aliens? At this point in time we want to see how bad the situation is, I can understand budgetary concerns but this just takes weight out of the stuff said and further hurts it's premise. Every word has to have weight in order to be believable, they have to actually seem like these people are being controlled by a bunch of oddball rules, that there's a black market the likes of which we have never seen; if they can't have weight then where does it leave us? There are many chances to separate this world from the others, just to divert criticism and make more of it; granted it's the second episode but introducing "Rebels" isn't helping. Their talks about hope and freedom immediately reflect upon the Rebel Alliance and their hopes to overthrow the evil empire; while they do include some sophistication in there, it doesn't help to deflect comparisons. Additionally, the need to push out the mystery dilutes the immense depth throughout; we get that the blackout could be man made, we get that we can stop it; if the Writers don't have faith in us then what's the point in creating a complex mythology?


http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/5934/revolutionguyspulling.jpg
Their version of life.

The logistics of the series also interferes in many of what they're trying to do. There are many examples here, Rachel's emotional plot about her iPhone, Charlie's brother with the Milita...; in the case of the two they throw away common sense just to fit in the subtexts of the plot. The Milita makes many stops along the way despite the fact that there are chances for him to escape, Rachel explains that her iPhone contains every picture of their kids despite the options she had at the time; common sense would dictate many things like not stopping and saving your photos and it is those things that take people out of the plots, Rachel's struggle in remembering her kids, Charlie's brother uncertainty and fear in the hands of the militia; it's admirable in the amount of character that they try to provide but no one should be thinking about how those pictures would of been lost if anything happened to the iPhone and no one should be thinking about how many stops they're making. Additionally, they shouldn't have to try to cram in distracting, flashy, contradictory and unnecessary fight scenes The show should focus more on the characters than the action, it just throws everything off whenever they include them; the seeming lack of finesse, the perception of the characters... I want to like the show not question it.

This episode does expand further on the premise of the show, getting about the stuff the pilot didn't have a chance to do and it's slightly better than the pilot but it's also the same as the pilot as well. This episode does reaffirm one thing, that the various backstories, the various concepts, the various intricacies are more interesting than the actual results themselves. A good idea is one thing, it can span out for many miles and allow for many paths to be taken but there has to be people who are capable of exploiting that idea, people who can step up to the plate and satisfy demands; otherwise it's just an idea. The people here are incapable of exploiting that idea and as a result, we're left with an episode that's known more for it's possibilities than it's content.
2.5/10

AtlantisRules!!!
October 25th, 2012, 11:45 AM
So thus far, I have not had a problem with Charlie. I think she acts exactly as she should as a completely unexperienced teen trying to run around save her brother from these trained militiamen. Not to mention all the loss she has recently experienced.

The one and only problem I had was on the train. When she burst down the door to save her brother she charged Neville with a knife. Why not use the crossbow on your back??

Brother Freyr
October 25th, 2012, 12:00 PM
Why not use the crossbow on your back??Maybe she was afraid of accidentally hitting her brother, who was fighting Neville hand-to-hand. *shrugs*

Considering the ongoing dislike of Charlie here, I thought I'd ask: Has anyone noticed that Miles has his own share of whiny, self-pitying moods? Frankly, I don't think Charlie's all that much worse than Miles in this department, and Charlie has a boat-load of fresh, raw reasons for her behavior. Charlie and Miles seem to be a tag team.

Still enjoying the show.

Mrja84
October 25th, 2012, 12:22 PM
Maybe she was afraid of accidentally hitting her brother, who was fighting Neville hand-to-hand. *shrugs*

Considering the ongoing dislike of Charlie here, I thought I'd ask: Has anyone noticed that Miles has his own share of whiny, self-pitying moods? Frankly, I don't think Charlie's all that much worse than Miles in this department, and Charlie has a boat-load of fresh, raw reasons for her behavior. Charlie and Miles seem to be a tag team.

Still enjoying the show.

Have you noticed the amount of Miles/Charlie fan fiction that started? Staying away from that.

Miles definitely has this "I'm a loner" monkey on his back. When he should just get off his high horse.

Also, his line about training [spoiler]the militia and creating all their techniques and protocols[/spoilers] makes them unbeatable because he's just perfect is a load of garbage.

VampyreWraith
October 25th, 2012, 12:30 PM
A lot(probably most actually) of my dislike for Charlie has to do with the actress' performance, especially in the more emotional scenes. But also, when Miles is being self-pitying or a harsh, he's treated like he's being a jerk by the other characters. When Charlie is being whiny, self-pitying, or is putting others in danger with her actions, and she's confronted(usually by Miles); that's treated like Miles is again, just being a jerk, and not because Charlie is whiny, self-pitying or in anyway wrong in her behavior.

I enjoy the show a lot, and actually missed that it wasn't on this week lol.

Mrja84
October 25th, 2012, 01:16 PM
A lot(probably most actually) of my dislike for Charlie has to do with the actress' performance, especially in the more emotional scenes. But also, when Miles is being self-pitying or a harsh, he's treated like he's being a jerk by the other characters. When Charlie is being whiny, self-pitying, or is putting others in danger with her actions, and she's confronted(usually by Miles); that's treated like Miles is again, just being a jerk, and not because Charlie is whiny, self-pitying or in anyway wrong in her behavior.

I enjoy the show a lot, and actually missed that it wasn't on this week lol.

Here's the thing, you can't accept every characters actions. Sometimes you just don't like a character because you don't like see people act that way.

Whether it's some people on this board that hate seeing manipulative characters "get away" with it or whatever. That doesn't mean the character or show is wrong, it just means you personally have an issue with people like that.

VampyreWraith
October 25th, 2012, 01:38 PM
Here's the thing, you can't accept every characters actions. Sometimes you just don't like a character because you don't like see people act that way.

Whether it's some people on this board that hate seeing manipulative characters "get away" with it or whatever. That doesn't mean the character or show is wrong, it just means you personally have an issue with people like that.

I know that I don't have to accept a character's actions all the time, and a show can do what ever it wants, but that doesn't mean I have to like it/agree with it either. Anyway, I don't have an issue with Charlie type characters in general (I do sometimes prefer darker, more ambiguous characters, but not always); I have an issue with Charlie, and most of that is because of the actress' performance. I have a hard time finding the character sympathetic, because I don't find the performance convincing/appealing.

escyos
October 25th, 2012, 04:46 PM
I know that I don't have to accept a character's actions all the time, and a show can do what ever it wants, but that doesn't mean I have to like it/agree with it either. Anyway, I don't have an issue with Charlie type characters in general (I do sometimes prefer darker, more ambiguous characters, but not always); I have an issue with Charlie, and most of that is because of the actress' performance. I have a hard time finding the character sympathetic, because I don't find the performance convincing/appealing.

You do know that she is meant to portray the character is portraying right? Its not a mistake, its what she was hired to do.

VampyreWraith
October 25th, 2012, 06:05 PM
You do know that she is meant to portray the character is portraying right? Its not a mistake, its what she was hired to do.

Yes. You do know that not all actors have the same amount of experience or skill level, right?
The character is supposed to be young, compassionate, and kind of idealistic(I don't mind that I don't want the character to turn into a stone-cold killer/hardened warrior or anything). I understand that. I also understand that she lost her family(father's dead, her mother left and is thought dead, her brother's been kidnapped), so she feels abandoned and alone. I just don't like the way the actress plays Charlie at times. I think she overacts(especially during the more emotional scenes), and towards the end of the latest episode(5), when she was trying to act tough and in-charge, it felt so forced that it found it funny(though that might have been the writing for that scene that just made it seem forced, and not her acting) I could go describe exactly what I don't like about the actress' preformance, but it might sound a bit mean(and she's bound to get better as time goes on). Even though I don't particularly like the character all that much, I don't hate her. I think she's fine when she's not all emotional and demanding. I even like her at times.

Anyway, I'm not going to change my mind about the character(or the actress' performance) right now. I might like her more after the next episode. After all, I like her a lot better now than I did when the show first started.

About the next episode(6)(based on what I've seen in the promos):I really hope Charlie doesn't end up having to sleep with that sleazy guy in order to save Nora. She probably won't... I hope anyway.

Brother Freyr
October 25th, 2012, 08:05 PM
towards the end of the latest episode(5), when she was trying to act tough and in-charge, it felt so forced that it found it funny
Yeah, that was uncomfortable. It drew attention to itself & jolted me out of the fictional world.


About the next episode(6)(based on what I've seen in the promos):I really hope Charlie doesn't end up having to sleep with that sleazy guy in order to save Nora. She probably won't... I hope anyway.I doubt it, considering the showrunners seem to be aiming for a (relatively) family-friendly Hunger-Games vibe. Sure, there's killing, but that's not nearly as taboo for a USA "family" show as sex is. Weird and somewhat disturbing if one stops to think about it.

VampyreWraith
October 25th, 2012, 08:32 PM
I doubt it, considering the showrunners seem to be aiming for a (relatively) family-friendly Hunger-Games vibe. Sure, there's killing, but that's not nearly as taboo for a USA "family" show as sex is. Weird and somewhat disturbing if one stops to think about it.

That's true, and it wouldn't even be sex, it would be rape, so I don't think think they'll go there. She'll probably be saved just in time, if anything. I know they definitely won't show anything explicit. I let my 12 yr old son watch. He loves the show, and Charlie is his favorite character, so I'm hoping that nothing too bad happens.

escyos
October 26th, 2012, 11:53 PM
Yes. You do know that not all actors have the same amount of experience or skill level, right?
The character is supposed to be young, compassionate, and kind of idealistic(I don't mind that I don't want the character to turn into a stone-cold killer/hardened warrior or anything). I understand that. I also understand that she lost her family(father's dead, her mother left and is thought dead, her brother's been kidnapped), so she feels abandoned and alone. I just don't like the way the actress plays Charlie at times. I think she overacts(especially during the more emotional scenes), and towards the end of the latest episode(5), when she was trying to act tough and in-charge, it felt so forced that it found it funny(though that might have been the writing for that scene that just made it seem forced, and not her acting) I could go describe exactly what I don't like about the actress' preformance, but it might sound a bit mean(and she's bound to get better as time goes on). Even though I don't particularly like the character all that much, I don't hate her. I think she's fine when she's not all emotional and demanding. I even like her at times.

Anyway, I'm not going to change my mind about the character(or the actress' performance) right now. I might like her more after the next episode. After all, I like her a lot better now than I did when the show first started.

About the next episode(6)(based on what I've seen in the promos):I really hope Charlie doesn't end up having to sleep with that sleazy guy in order to save Nora. She probably won't... I hope anyway.

If she is meant to portray a person who is upset at the world and upset at the people around her, then she is doing a very GOOD job at this as that is what you are feeling. I have seen people become upset at a shoe with too much white on them (i actually have) and so being upset at a **** of an uncle would not make you happy and get along with everyone. We have seen her change so much over 5 episodes and i feel that the next will see her taking things to a new level.

People on facebook seem to hate her but then again...you know, its facebook. People who complain on there must know th they're whiny complaints will fall on deaf ears, NBC (and others) have people who set up and maintain facebook/twitter and have nothing to do with the show at all. She is not going anywhere so people need to either get over her or move on.

VampyreWraith
October 27th, 2012, 08:05 AM
If she is meant to portray a person who is upset at the world and upset at the people around her, then she is doing a very GOOD job at this as that is what you are feeling. I have seen people become upset at a shoe with too much white on them (i actually have) and so being upset at a **** of an uncle would not make you happy and get along with everyone. We have seen her change so much over 5 episodes and i feel that the next will see her taking things to a new level.

People on facebook seem to hate her but then again...you know, its facebook. People who complain on there must know th they're whiny complaints will fall on deaf ears, NBC (and others) have people who set up and maintain facebook/twitter and have nothing to do with the show at all. She is not going anywhere so people need to either get over her or move on.

I've never looked at the show's facebook page, so I don't know what people on there are saying about Charlie. If you like the character and the actress(and have liked her from the start), that's great. You can like whatever you want; other people don't have to feel the same though. When I post my thoughts or feelings about Charlie, any of the other characters, or about things that happen on the show; I'm just stating my opinion(obviously). I don't expect anything to come of it(I don't expect network people to read what I say and change things to suit me lol).
I don't think she's awful, and I know she's not going anywhere; I personally don't want her to(it really wouldn't make any sense for her it die or be written out right now). Sometimes it just takes a bit for the actors to get used to their character; and for the writers to get used to writing for the actors playing the characters.

garhkal
October 27th, 2012, 09:13 PM
I think she'd be a better character if most of the other characters didn't act like she can do no wrong. Miles is the only one that tells her off, but that's treated like a bad thing on the show. Charlie always ends up in the right at the end since she's the moral center/heroine or whatever; it's annoying.

That is true. You would think with all she has been through and ACTUALLY asking 'uncle dearest' to help out, she would be more apt to do what she is told... Unless there is some angle they are trying to go with.


A lot(probably most actually) of my dislike for Charlie has to do with the actress' performance, especially in the more emotional scenes. But also, when Miles is being self-pitying or a harsh, he's treated like he's being a jerk by the other characters. When Charlie is being whiny, self-pitying, or is putting others in danger with her actions, and she's confronted(usually by Miles); that's treated like Miles is again, just being a jerk, and not because Charlie is whiny, self-pitying or in anyway wrong in her behavior.

Agreed. Either he is a bad guy for being a butt head to charlie, or he is a bad guy for being a jerk wallowing in what he made... The PTB need to get off the 'charlie good' angle'. Otherwise i will be done with the show... though i do admit i missed the 6th ep (where they went to that house to get the chick healed, and charlie had to do that 'strip' for the main baddie from the previews i saw).. So i don't know if that changed the equation any.

And as to whether she 'does have to give it up to save the other girl, or gets rescued... I actualy hope she DOES not get saved.. and does have to perform... Might show her ass some humility.

Laxian of Earth
October 30th, 2012, 08:36 AM
well i just watched the latest episode and IMHO it is the worst one yet (!)

what i hated most though was the son (Danny) just hugging his "dead" mother instead of questioning her first or telling her of for leaving (i sure would have...sorry, maybe i am just emotionally "dead" but forgiveness is something to be earned for me and not granted just because it is possible - even more so in a situation i would feel betrayed/stabbed in the back (like a relative i thought dead turning up alive))

the rest of the episode was so "filler" like, because the main story did not advance much...i mean nothing really important happened, like monroe getting one of those pendants or some other person having one showing up etc.

well, hope next episode is better.

greetings LAX

Sp!der
October 30th, 2012, 10:56 AM
the one good thing about this episode was Aarons development, that was a nice touch that he just wasn't only a comic relief but gets a proper characterization ! I liked that other than that yeah last episode was kind of better.. why are people *****ing about this show and still watch it? If I dont like a show anymore I just stop watching !

VampyreWraith
October 30th, 2012, 01:06 PM
I thought last night's episode was ok. I did like it, but I thought the other episodes were better. I liked Aaron's backstory, the parts with Neville, Monroe, and Jason, and towards the end with Danny and his mother. I'm looking forward to next week's episode.

the fifth man
October 31st, 2012, 07:51 PM
the one good thing about this episode was Aarons development, that was a nice touch that he just wasn't only a comic relief but gets a proper characterization ! I liked that other than that yeah last episode was kind of better.. why are people *****ing about this show and still watch it? If I dont like a show anymore I just stop watching !

Some enjoy the complaining almost more than watching a show.

garhkal
October 31st, 2012, 08:55 PM
Ya think!
Sometimes i wonder why they bother myself.

ZRFTS
November 1st, 2012, 12:32 AM
Try watching the show, and then come back to give your opinion. The way you fumble the names of major characters suggest you've not watched the same show that I have.

I watched the show, If you read the review you'll note various scenes that happened in the episode and the characteristics themselves. I may fumble on major character names but that doesn't mean I'm watching a different show. I'm paying attention, I'm giving the show a fair chance.

tomstone
November 1st, 2012, 01:50 AM
I watched the recent Episodes to find out if this thing is worth waiting till they have released more Episodes. Turns out a Car accident is more interresting to watch.

Mrja84
November 1st, 2012, 07:51 AM
well i just watched the latest episode and IMHO it is the worst one yet (!)

what i hated most though was the son (Danny) just hugging his "dead" mother instead of questioning her first or telling her of for leaving (i sure would have...sorry, maybe i am just emotionally "dead" but forgiveness is something to be earned for me and not granted just because it is possible - even more so in a situation i would feel betrayed/stabbed in the back (like a relative i thought dead turning up alive))

the rest of the episode was so "filler" like, because the main story did not advance much...i mean nothing really important happened, like monroe getting one of those pendants or some other person having one showing up etc.

well, hope next episode is better.

greetings LAX

He wasn't forgiving her. His been held captive and sees everyone around him as enemies. Then he sees his mother and sure he has questions, but it is more likely for him to just cave in and be comforted by his closet family member.

He has no idea what she was doing for all these years. For all he knows she has been held captive as well. He just wants some relief. And so the next episode or so will have him asking questions more likely.

ZRFTS
November 1st, 2012, 05:43 PM
No Quarter
With the third episode, it's clear that the series is fighting an uphill battle for admiration. It wants to be seen as unique, it wants to stand out in the crowd and this episode is evident in that it's introducing us to those rebels we learned about just last episode.

I do find it interesting they're introducing the rebels this early, one would think that they'd introduce them later on but well; here they are... I do find it somewhat interesting that they'd reside in a chain restaurant similar to Applebee's; just think, a quaint atmosphere ruined by harsh conditions, it's one of those things that makes the world feel almost reel. Unfortunately, it isn't explored enough and as such it doesn't stand out aside from the signs identifying it, turning into just another action setting; while I do admire that they've used it for other purposes such as character interaction, a forced environment is a forced environment and you can see how they wanted the fights to go without a hitch. Isles so wide you can almost maneuver in it, props that can be dropped on bad guys. The rebel guys themselves are disinteresting for our first look; they have the potential to be a true power, someone who's mission is either good or bad based on the perception but instead they languish it going the common Star Wars route and showing characters who you could barely care for despite the fact that two die and most of them are injured. When you're introducing someone, you have to establish that these people are important to the world, that they're a possible hope for us; sure, they competently serve up the action and a cause but they're supposed to be more than just fodder. Additionally, death and bloodshed is not the most effective way to make an entire group matter; we all relate to the fear of death but you're looking at the famine, you're looking at the darkness and what you're caring about is the situation, not the characters or anybody else in this rebellion. To truly care about something, you have to get into these characters, make them show you that there's somebody in this rebellion worth caring about; we can feel sad for a death but what long lasting meaning does a death have if it's just forced upon us since they're an important part of the series?


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They got guns.

I also find it interesting that there's a focus to Miles that explores a hidden side to him. Sure he acts like the same old generic Han Solo caricature with forced lines, lack of impact and cheesy delivery but at least there's something in him that separates him from the pack. There's a feeling of redemption which they try to fit into his plot and deepen the character; you can tell from the militia who attack the base with ferocity, the conflict he gets into with one of their leaders and his subsequent capture/rescue afterwards that they're providing a platform for him to save himself, to cleanse his sins and the action is done nicely; however, much of this feels oddly predictable, in his flashbacks, it shows the types of personalities he has and the types of beliefs he develops along the way; meeting all sorts of generic people who don't how how to hunt or eat human remains in the process. I could get the gist almost instantly, "He used to be the founder of this milita because nobody helped them, the poor people who got abused for food and survival. And then came the power, He wanted territory, he wanted control. For the people. But then Monroe decided to get wise and militant and they broke apart and he's been seeking to bring it down ever since." It's not a good thing you can decipher his entire purpose for being within the span of those flashbacks; this is supposed to provides a moral grey area and yet it's almost shattered within seconds ruining his depth. You may think this may lead to better characterization but it doesn't. Charlie still acts poorly putting on faces that don't resemble emotion and tones that seem increasingly forced, (one benefit, she's not scared anymore but just because she can fight now doesn't make her better; and don't get me started on the whole "we can't fight them/yes we can" bit, it's like ultra-pandering) and Nora, she doesn't show any infliction or even shock; instead acting like their own version of Princess Leia. (Her story about losing a pregnant child does nothing for her character by the way, while it is sad, it's more about how the Militia are bad than it is about herself or her ambitions.)

That doesn't mean there isn't anything aside from Miles; we got some focus on the Militia and their ways; I found the whole argument on the rarity of the bullets interesting as it sort of reflects the tense situation out there and the comment about the law regarding gun ownership was an interesting tease; who knew it was there so that they wouldn't be disadvantaged. It is these things that really develop the world, give it life, help subvert the criticism; if they were wise then they would include more and make me interested towards their cause. On the negative side of things are the attempts to force depth and moral ambiguity, many of which are generic; it may seem shocking when our guys sends people to their death just to waste the bullets but the various guys who's lives he's sending to his doom, the value of those lives in general, the wrongness of it all seems oddly insubstantial, and the guy saying it does nothing to give it weight. The guy who constantly bullies Danny because of his friends death is trying to reflect on the cruelness of the militia in general but it all ends up bland, his story is somewhat interesting but all of his actions seem like he's trying to make us care about Danny, the alone time, the brutal beating... The only interesting thing is of course, Danny showing his dominance (although his personality remains weak.) which made it somewhat worthwhile. There's also the continuation of the plot with Rachel and Aaron in which they spend much of the episode figuring out what the device does; it's admirable what they tried to do with Aaron, have him show emotion, make him a character who the audience can relate to with his sadness, despair and frustration; it certainly makes his character seem more than just the comedic relief and it certainly makes the scenes with Rachel meaningful but his various flaws still exist and even more are revealed here; he proclaims himself as a geek but it seems odd that he wouldn't tinker with stuff nor could he figure out how to activate the device, in contrast, he knew various computer parts like the back of his hand. those things served to dilute his character heavily.


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A geek and his candles.

In this episode, progress is being made but this show has a long way to go before it can truly reach meaningful heights. While certain things are being put on the table like the rebels, Miles and a part of a the gameplan, those things aren't really developed to sufficient levels to make a sufficient impact on the series and as a result, dwells into the same generic, contrived and forced stuff as episodes past. This show has ambitions but for the ambitions to work it has to become more serious, explore the complex issues rather than use them as a pad and grow the characters to a point where we can care about them; something which I'm hoping is happening sooner or later.
2.5/10

jelgate
November 1st, 2012, 05:54 PM
No Quarter
With the third episode, it's clear that the series is fighting an uphill battle for admiration. It wants to be seen as unique, it wants to stand out in the crowd and this episode is evident in that it's introducing us to those rebels we learned about just last episode.


Ratings say otherwise

VampyreWraith
November 2nd, 2012, 07:11 AM
No Quarter(ep 3) is my favorite episode out of the 6 episodes so far. I loved Mark Pellegrino in it. I had some issues wih it, but overall I enjoyed that on a lot.
Sex and Drugs(ep 6) is my least favorite. I watched it again, and even though I still think that sending Charlie out to play assassin feels really contrived; I liked the character interactions at the insane poppy farmer's house.

ZRFTS
November 2nd, 2012, 05:31 PM
The Plague Dogs
From the show's standpoint, Charlie is supposed to be this character who was once innocent but was brought in the world of death and torment, stemming from the death of her father, the departure of her mother and the capturing of her brother and Miles is supposed to be this character with a hard edge stemming from a deep, dark and hidden past and a lack of connection to her sister but from our standpoint, both characters are less than expected. This episode claims to do things for both of the characters but alas, it ultimately does nothing.

The episode appears to have a thing going on, a thing where Miles claims to leave and a thing where Charlie attempts to keep those who she loves. It's one that reflects within the closeness nature of Revolution; a guy always wanting to be alone, a daughter who just wants someone together and there is some depthness in claiming that he's doing this to reduce the danger but ultimately it just seems shallow. Watching both characters is sort of watching two stereotypes with each other, you get what they're saying but they don't know how to deliver the argument naturally, only knowing how to do so in a pandering way; this dilutes the argument because both of them aren't showing any sort of true emotion that could be essential in hooking us; it goes on and off throughout the episode, getting hinted at, getting proven but it never gets developed; through Charlie's instances, through Miles ruggedness, you get a feeling that they're going to remain together no matter what they say or do. They do try to reinforce it buy putting her in dangerous and emotional situations and it does work well in showing the common bond that they have but it doesn't do anything in making Charlie seem appealing. We're supposed to care for her because someone closed to her died, because she's in a scared situation of her own but the problem is she can't emote properly, she lacks bite in words that she says, she can't speak in a natural way and at times it even seems like she's literally forcing the emotion out of her; her acting is a major detractor getting in the way of her character and us getting to like her and forcing these situations on her is a cheap way of trying to include depth in a character and getting the audience to like her. What she needs to do is act better; this is a character with potential, a character who could legitimately grab people in with her charm, she has an interesting history, an interesting position and with a bit of effort she could actually create a compelling character, as it stands her character is in a position for the audience to hate her, actually expect her death and yell out and boo at the screen for her emotional moments.


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Care for her!

Much of this episode is set in the most interesting setting out there; yes a theme park with no name. I'm surprised that they managed to utilize the former Hard Rock/Freestyle Music Park in Myrtle Beach as a filming location, that park has been closed for 4 years and yet only now it's being used; I don't mind, it's got that quaint environment that's scary but perfect for the show, in fact barely any of the environment seems to be designed for a specific purpose, it fits many purposes realistically from character interaction to action to exploration. It may not be as run down as other places or battered up (compared to Flannigan's from the previous episode) but this is possibly the best setting in Revolution so far; I'm guessing there has to be some sort of boost for the park in real life being on that show, maybe it reopening perhaps? There are several people who join Charlie in this magical theme park, her love interest, the guy who stalks them and the titular dogs themselves; each of them serve to enforce this crazy world but barely any of them manage to provide something truly mindblowing. The guy has an interesting story; living in a theme park, surviving with the loss of her daughter from tetanus due to overprotection, it is definitely something that fits his scary mood and makes him somewhat creepy but he ends up somewhat one-dimensional with his acting that resembles anybody desperate; still, you can see that he's at least trying to seem crazy and insane. The type of vocal inflictions, the various pauses between dialogs, the delivery; this is something that you rarely see in Revolution and it's a fresh breather from all the generic contrived dialog and Star Wars situations, in fact you care more for him than you do for Charlie. Unlike the titular dogs and her love interest who seem uninspired and inconsistent, the love interest should of seemed more of a spy rather than someone whenever they need to have a prominent similarly aged guy around Charlie and the dogs should of attacked within an instant rather than taking their sweet time; to invoke the fear that rabid dogs usually do of course.

It seems like there's a real surprise to this and those surprises are the plots involving Danny and Nevil and Maggie, both of which get a chance to show their struts. I'm the most surprised of Maggie's plot, her backstory was really engaging and really compelling, I could just feel for her as she looked for her kids, encountered everyone she could just for a boat to the Atlantic; the emotion, the compassion, the determination, the worry, her actor finally brings out the potential of a character that has long since lingered on the wayside. It is miles better than that phone plot and it also gives weight as she gets herself injured, lingering on the lines of possible death. In terms of her character, it's sweet to know the bond between herself and Charlie's family, the kind of happiness that she found, the magic she's capable of, it truly sells the fact that this is a woman who was able to gain a new grasp on life; unfortunately, this is her last moment on the show and it's both good and bad, one one hand, her death is beautiful and it closes the story they had going on, on another they closed it when her story was getting good and the involvement of Charlie made her death into forced growth. Death can be wonderful when it's natural but when it's used as a plot point, to provide the illusion of character, that's when it becomes questionable. Nevil continues his reign as one of Revolution's best characters; here we can definitely see the best example of a person who has a sweet side underneath that sinister side, His lines about his son are done in a soulful way that warm and fuzzy, we can imagine what he must be feeling every time that he speaks and the brief moments he spends with Danny shows that there is more to him than just the Milita side, that during times of danger they could forgo everything bond; that doesn't mean that his bite is gone, he manages to yell out and lead better than any milita guy out there but this just enforces Nevil's character, It is hurt by Danny's out of place role though; is he portrayed as a tough guy or is he portrayed as an awkward guy? There needs to be some common ground in order to give Danny some sensibility.


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The bliss of Maggie.

So surprisingly Revolution is getting better. This episode is furthering it's promise by coming up with compelling stories for both Nevil and Maggie and the plot regarding Rachel and Monroe is progressing in a decent rate but... Charlie is still the weakest character on the show, Miles' character is still uninteresting despite his interesting past and worst of all, somebody dies just so character can be forced. There was an interesting setting and good ambitions but those two things an episode does not make. Still... Baby steps.
3.5/10

ZRFTS
November 3rd, 2012, 04:00 PM
Soul Train
After the gang realizes Charlie has no soul, they go on a journey to find the immortal funk-filled Soul Train which could give Charlie the funky soul she needs y'all to prevent Charlie from forever being a Zombie. Okay that's not the actual plot of the episode, but it does involve a train and it does involve Charlie to a point.

I'm really surprised they showed steam energy is possible, you think there'd be some guys out there who know how to use ancient technology and build that stuff but they never seem to have those guys around, seemingly content on focusing on the fact that people are too dependent on electricity to ever go back. (this stuff is an important part of our history) Anyways, the stream train shows that there's at least hope for a technologically advanced world out there and it serves as a metaphor for our heroes, of time, of hope; something which they fail to exploit. There is something to be said for family, desperation, possibilities but everybody shown here fails to show that sense of bond that reflects that and that is most evident with Charlie, Miles and Danny; when we hear Danny talk about Nevil, his dialog doesn't fit, he's acting like a tough guy asking him if what he's doing is an act when he's been portrayed as awkward and when we hear Charlie and Danny talk about things such as his changed personality and the methods they used (especially in regards to the militia) it doesn't even seem like two conflicting personalities more like a girl trying his best to seem emotive and a guy trying his best to seem like a hard-edge person with a hidden personality and even though Miles edges out Charlie, both aren't convincing in showing the inner depths of their characters and even when Charlie and Danny see each other, it doesn't even feel natural; Charlie has to resort to exaggerated faces in order to let it be known and Danny, well surprisingly he does it more naturally but still... There is something that happens when two family members see each other, a sort of happiness, a sort of look that indicated that these two are related; most of the great shows has had that something and this show, I'm not convinced they're related.


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The immortal soul train.

There are some things that are going on, for instance the town which they walk through is a nice hint of the life that's possible. People walking, buying food, pulling cars; it a sign that civilization can exist in any form as long as they have the basic elements; transportation, food, lifestyle and economy. However it's only a hint and much of it is forgone as it's being treated as the background, heck our heroes even walk freely through the militia without even a hint of notice; which proves inconsistent with the later appearances when they are chased by militia. Plot wise this episode does a good job in showing our guys in action; they're working so hard in order to stop the train, save Danny and celebrate a job well done but they get caught at every corner, they ride horses, they even do some desperate stuff and the progression is nicely done, ramping up in order to keep up with whatever the character may be feeling at the time. What these guys do are admirable but it seems like that's counteracted by the episode seeming aware of their need to keep Danny away from them; there are many easily solvable solutions that could of been taken, the location of where he's kept, the way to get him off the train, even getting him off the train himself. Other shows have done this before but there was a decent reason for why they couldn't get close, this doesn't have any suitable reason; whenever you think they're going to get somewhere, they have a character not realize the obvious until seconds later or have someone pop out of thin air in order to restrain her and ultimately keep her far apart (and provide a pointless standoff that goes nowhere). I understand what it can do for a character but I also understand that the audience has some sense of smartness in them and even if it's TV, obvious solutions shouldn't be shot down. At least the action leads to one exciting thing, Charlie and Miles finally meeting Nevil which proves as tense and awesome as always.

Speaking as which, this episode dives down into the personal life of Nevil through flashbacks. It's nice to see him constantly getting beat up; anybody who has been constantly put down can relate to him, the lack of an ability to stand up, frustrations which we punch away in our punching bag, a sense of dignity which he tries to keep alive and It serves as a suitable contrast to who he once was. What's amazing is that the blackout serves as the catalyst of this change; I don't think of it as much as a "Blackout" changing people, more so I see it as a "I'm not going to take it anymore.", this down-on-his-luck character seemingly having his revenge similar to the guy in the movie "Falling Down", training himself in the ways of strength and valor; while it is disturbing in how he's changed, it's also happy to see him rise up to a position of power, one where he gets respect, one where he gets appreciated and that gives much more sense to his struggles as a father and his sense of survival. It allows us to feel for the character in new ways Additionally, something is finally getting done regarding the Darth Monroe/Princess Rachel plot; both characters finally come to an impasse allowing them to progress the world with get a look at what Monroe does in his leadership positions, getting a look of the 5 countries that inhibit this land as well as the conflict between territories and we finally get to see Rachel reveal something about how to turn the power back on though it's something we've already known about before but we do learn that there are 12 of them out there... All in all, progress is being made.


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A father and his son.

So we didn't get the soul we were so hoping for but hey, at least they're developing the world. It was nice to see certain things like the train, the life of Nevil through flashbacks and Monroe's plot but man do they need to work in convincing me that the characters matter, especially regarding the brother and sister relationship.
4.0/10

knowles2
November 4th, 2012, 06:26 AM
Soul Train
After the gang realizes Charlie has no soul, they go on a journey to find the immortal funk-filled Soul Train which could give Charlie the funky soul she needs y'all to prevent Charlie from forever being a Zombie. Okay that's not the actual plot of the episode, but it does involve a train and it does involve Charlie to a point.

I'm really surprised they showed steam energy is possible, you think there'd be some guys out there who know how to use ancient technology and build that stuff but they never seem to have those guys around, seemingly content on focusing on the fact that people are too dependent on electricity to ever go back. (this stuff is an important part of our history) Anyways, the stream train shows that there's at least hope for a technologically advanced world out there and it serves as a metaphor for our heroes, of time, of hope; something which they fail to exploit. There is something to be said for family, desperation, possibilities but everybody shown here fails to show that sense of bond that reflects that and that is most evident with Charlie, Miles and Danny; when we hear Danny talk about Nevil, his dialog doesn't fit, he's acting like a tough guy asking him if what he's doing is an act when he's been portrayed as awkward and when we hear Charlie and Danny talk about things such as his changed personality and the methods they used (especially in regards to the militia) it doesn't even seem like two conflicting personalities more like a girl trying his best to seem emotive and a guy trying his best to seem like a hard-edge person with a hidden personality and even though Miles edges out Charlie, both aren't convincing in showing the inner depths of their characters and even when Charlie and Danny see each other, it doesn't even feel natural; Charlie has to resort to exaggerated faces in order to let it be known and Danny, well surprisingly he does it more naturally but still... There is something that happens when two family members see each other, a sort of happiness, a sort of look that indicated that these two are related; most of the great shows has had that something and this show, I'm not convinced they're related.


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The immortal soul train.

There are some things that are going on, for instance the town which they walk through is a nice hint of the life that's possible. People walking, buying food, pulling cars; it a sign that civilization can exist in any form as long as they have the basic elements; transportation, food, lifestyle and economy. However it's only a hint and much of it is forgone as it's being treated as the background, heck our heroes even walk freely through the militia without even a hint of notice; which proves inconsistent with the later appearances when they are chased by militia. Plot wise this episode does a good job in showing our guys in action; they're working so hard in order to stop the train, save Danny and celebrate a job well done but they get caught at every corner, they ride horses, they even do some desperate stuff and the progression is nicely done, ramping up in order to keep up with whatever the character may be feeling at the time. What these guys do are admirable but it seems like that's counteracted by the episode seeming aware of their need to keep Danny away from them; there are many easily solvable solutions that could of been taken, the location of where he's kept, the way to get him off the train, even getting him off the train himself. Other shows have done this before but there was a decent reason for why they couldn't get close, this doesn't have any suitable reason; whenever you think they're going to get somewhere, they have a character not realize the obvious until seconds later or have someone pop out of thin air in order to restrain her and ultimately keep her far apart (and provide a pointless standoff that goes nowhere). I understand what it can do for a character but I also understand that the audience has some sense of smartness in them and even if it's TV, obvious solutions shouldn't be shot down. At least the action leads to one exciting thing, Charlie and Miles finally meeting Nevil which proves as tense and awesome as always.

Speaking as which, this episode dives down into the personal life of Nevil through flashbacks. It's nice to see him constantly getting beat up; anybody who has been constantly put down can relate to him, the lack of an ability to stand up, frustrations which we punch away in our punching bag, a sense of dignity which he tries to keep alive and It serves as a suitable contrast to who he once was. What's amazing is that the blackout serves as the catalyst of this change; I don't think of it as much as a "Blackout" changing people, more so I see it as a "I'm not going to take it anymore.", this down-on-his-luck character seemingly having his revenge similar to the guy in the movie "Falling Down", training himself in the ways of strength and valor; while it is disturbing in how he's changed, it's also happy to see him rise up to a position of power, one where he gets respect, one where he gets appreciated and that gives much more sense to his struggles as a father and his sense of survival. It allows us to feel for the character in new ways Additionally, something is finally getting done regarding the Darth Monroe/Princess Rachel plot; both characters finally come to an impasse allowing them to progress the world with get a look at what Monroe does in his leadership positions, getting a look of the 5 countries that inhibit this land as well as the conflict between territories and we finally get to see Rachel reveal something about how to turn the power back on though it's something we've already known about before but we do learn that there are 12 of them out there... All in all, progress is being made.


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A father and his son.

So we didn't get the soul we were so hoping for but hey, at least they're developing the world. It was nice to see certain things like the train, the life of Nevil through flashbacks and Monroe's plot but man do they need to work in convincing me that the characters matter, especially regarding the brother and sister relationship.
4.0/10

I have yet to see Revolution but from your reviews and others it sound like the casting Director should have come to the UK to hire some of the descent teenage actors the UK produces and appears in shows Misfits and Skins.

Morbo
November 4th, 2012, 06:38 AM
just finally watched this past week's episode.
once again charlie is terrible. such a flip-flopper. in the beginning of the episode she is all omg we're all gonna die, then she's all like gimme the pointy thing i'll stab the guy!

i think aaron is the best character by far. slick moves too.

all i know is they are running out of time to keep me interested. nothing is happening.
its the same thing every week: walk. find something/someone. escape narrowly from that something/someone.
repeat.

ZRFTS
November 4th, 2012, 12:16 PM
once again charlie is terrible. such a flip-flopper. in the beginning of the episode she is all omg we're all gonna die, then she's all like gimme the pointy thing i'll stab the guy!
I agree with this.

ZRFTS
November 4th, 2012, 03:27 PM
Sex and Drugs
The world of Revolution may be poorly conceived but at least it has one thing going for it, the shady underground filled with drug lords and shady people which is what this episode aims to exploit.

To be honest the best part of the episode is the revelation of the fact that there are people out there who can grow drugs and have some idea on how medicine works. For much of the show we have seen a world were people seem incapable of building stuff with their bare hands and even stuff like printing presses and steam powered machines are rare; the intention was to create a sort of world where it's tossed over it's ear but common logic dictates that there should of been people who knew how to make stuff without the need of automation or electricity, these types of things have been established since the dawn of time, heck many of the worlds famous buildings were made without the modern tools of the day and to me that just makes the world seemingly unrealistic and ignorant. (Are the books which describe this thrown out, do the electrical distractions make us forgo past methods?)

To see this type of stuff is amazing because it shows that there are people out there who are willing to do this stuff, who know how to do this stuff. A doctor who knows the methods and uses the tools of back then, who knows how to grow his own stuff by scratch, it's one of the aspects that make the world much more than what it is; and the person playing him is good, he may have some of that mob boss mentality in him but he's snarky, he's determined and he's got a good energy to him. He's one of the guys who even though is designed to be disliked from the getgo, you can't help to like; he's got skill, he's got a business going on and he's even got struggles of his own. It is a real shame that he's killed at the end, it's good in terms of the plot but it's bad because it shows that the intelligent people who know how to do this stuff always die at the hands of the lesser people.


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The wonders of medicine.

What happens in this episode furthers that notion; this episode seems to be trying to give us a platform for our characters. We got a drug lord who doesn't care much for our heroes, Nora in a situation of life & death and Charlie in the usual position and while this may seem perfect, what happens contradict this; they insist many things, that the drug lord is abusing the woman, that the rival gang is innocent, that there's a gang war going on and that's it, everything is insistence. How are we to know if he's actually abusing the woman, we don't see anything in their body language to insist abuse, his tone doesn't tell us anything and the only sign is when he slaps Charlie (which had the opposite intended effect for me.) which doesn't even mean anything in the long run and the irish gang; they keep pushing that they're innocent, showing us things like a son, a history as a police officer, a humbleness from the guy himself, even our heroes themselves push that they're killing innocents but they barely show us anything that even enforces that innocence.

This raises the question, are we supposed to believe in what we're told despite the insufficient information, are we supposed to take the minor hints and form them into our own possible conclusions. Without anything established or any real reason for why the two are fighting, the conflict feels hollow and this spreads to our characters; especially Charlie who seems more "righteous" than ever. She seems to be trying to gain an audience for herself, showing us the stuff like tearing up her photos, having her assassinate someone while being uncertain about it but every word that she says, every action that she does, every emotion that she tries to show is forced and we know that you're trying to create an innocent character that's thrust into the world of darkness even though she doesn't want to do it but you know what'll convince me, making a better character.

Miles and Aaron show the objectionable side, which is reasonable given that someone has to stop Charlie from doing something. Miles care for her sister is admirable but it's inconsistent with the way he's been treated and the way he's treating her; It makes me wonder what he's thinking about when he's saving her, why he's even doing it in the first place; if two family members act as if they're aren't family then it dilutes the bond and makes his actions worth less, there is some hint of his dark side that rectifies some of his flaws but it just pushes towards the obvious assumption. Aaron does seem like he's better at being emotive; there seems to be a plot in proving his worth, tagging along trying to seem contributive; who wouldn't blame him?

And the flashbacks reflect this as well; seeming caring, trying his best to survive, wanting to at least something to his wife. It's nice to know that he doesn't want to be seen as empty but the problem is not with the acting or the story, but with the character itself. Geeks on this show are somewhat stereotypical, they focus on new technology neglecting the old and they're obviously weak and unable to do the simplest things; it didn't come to them that he might have knowledge of how machines work and that knowledge would of been worth a lot in the world, electricity being gone doesn't mean that the knowledge is worthless, if only the creators can just realize that... He does hatch a plan to kill a guy but to me it just seems like a menial thing, one to make him happy; I'm not doubting his actions but the intention is for him to find something to make him worthwhile and that comes with purpose.


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The contrast of murder.

It's nice to see some of the world and some of the characters are good but the main problem is with the premise which has a ton of holes which makes the whole thing unappealing. There is a lack of common ground, we're forced to draw our own perspective on what's going on and those conflicting perspectives get in the way of the characters. With some grounding of what's happening, we might be able to connect with the characters more but since everything is uncertain, it creates a murky area that brings the episode down thereby ruining it's good intentions. This ultimately turned out to be insubstantial as a whole.
2.5/10

Rosehawk
November 4th, 2012, 07:30 PM
just finally watched this past week's episode.
once again charlie is terrible. such a flip-flopper. in the beginning of the episode she is all omg we're all gonna die, then she's all like gimme the pointy thing i'll stab the guy!
I don't think that Charlie is that bad, a bit whinny, I agree but that's the character in my opinion. I also don't think that she is a flip-flopper...that it's more of an attempt to show character growth from her. In the begining, she had her whole life turned upside down, her father was killed, her brother was kidnapped and she found out that her uncle is alive and she has to go to him to save her brother. She goes on this journey that she's not equiped to handle emotionally and has to learn how to deal with everything very quickly. That can make people short-tempered and angry.

She only agreed to stab the guy to save everyone else and they showed that it was not easy for her. That's not a flip-flop, that's showing that she is facing a challenge and has to deal with it. Part of me thinks that it was a scene to show us that she has the potiental to turn into someone like her uncle.


i think aaron is the best character by far. slick moves too.
I like Aaron too. He's definitley full of surprised and that last move he did was risky and definitely not something I expected from him.


all i know is they are running out of time to keep me interested. nothing is happening.
its the same thing every week: walk. find something/someone. escape narrowly from that something/someone.
repeat.
Hopefully now that the son and met his mom, that might change a bit.

garhkal
November 5th, 2012, 07:59 PM
Well this weeks ep was full of surprises..
Monroe has located one of the 12 who supposedly had the pendants.. and has his daughter (though why the mother of charlie would NOT think Monroe would do something like that is beyond me).
The black out may have been caused cause the pendants were designed to create power, but worked in reverse, and the DOD was very interested... And were going to bank roll ben and co.. the chick from an earlier ep (the black one who had another pendant was one of the researchers with ben).

VampyreWraith
November 5th, 2012, 08:18 PM
I really liked this week's episode, even though the colony of kids thing has been done a lot of times before. I loved Aaron in this and his comments: "they're like a packs of hairless Ewoks"(or something like that); I found that funny :P
I liked Rachel and I found the flashbacks interesting. I'm really starting to hate Neville(in a good way); he seems like such a suck up.
I liked Miles a lot in this episode too. I liked that he agreed with Charlie, and that he wanted to go after the kid. I thought his guilt was played well.
Charlie was also pretty good in this episode.

Sp!der
November 6th, 2012, 10:31 AM
Yeah, it was definitley better than last week but that was not hard actually, it can only go up. I really loved that idea of the show but it doesn't look like it is living up to its potential. we will see though what S01 has got in store for us.

Where are the new shows like Supernatural, Buffy, Lost, Fringe.. ? Nowadays it looks like shows are not that original..(?) anymore.. I don't it seems that they took more take in story lines in the good old days than after the 05 shows.. but oh well, we will see.

Laxian of Earth
November 6th, 2012, 01:55 PM
well - i am in the middle of the latest (Season 1 episode 7) and after seeing the DOD-Guy and them switching of stuff with their tech-stuff, i once again think that monroe is right in what he is doing (also he does it for the wrong reasons) as i would do anything to get the power back on, too - and anyone trying to shut the power of on a global scale, is an enemy of mine (and an enemy of humanity as a whole...high treason is too good for a person like that!), simple as that (someone planing something like that should be sent to some island without any power to live his dream - alone, without endangering other people and civilisation as a whole!

greetings LAX
ps: will watch the rest now :)

Mrja84
November 6th, 2012, 07:01 PM
well - i am in the middle of the latest (Season 1 episode 7) and after seeing the DOD-Guy and them switching of stuff with their tech-stuff, i once again think that monroe is right in what he is doing (also he does it for the wrong reasons) as i would do anything to get the power back on, too - and anyone trying to shut the power of on a global scale, is an enemy of mine (and an enemy of humanity as a whole...high treason is too good for a person like that!), simple as that (someone planing something like that should be sent to some island without any power to live his dream - alone, without endangering other people and civilisation as a whole!

greetings LAX
ps: will watch the rest now :)

How do we know it was Randall?

Also the pendents didn't cause the blackout. See Ben downloaded something to his pendent right before it started. So the pendents were what Ben and Co. intended initially, but wind up creating the opposite. It wasn't until they were backed by the DOD that they created the pendents.

Mrja84
November 7th, 2012, 06:46 AM
I recommend that anyone that wants to see the actress behind Charlie in another project, just go look up Mortal Kombat: Legacy on Youtube. She starts showing up in episode 6 of the 9 episodes.

I really like her in this. Plus there's Seven-of-Nine, Spawn, a vet from Battlestar Galactia, and a soldier from Falling Skies in it.

Spimman
November 7th, 2012, 11:04 AM
This is quickly becoming one of my favorite shows, I love where they are going with it.

ZRFTS
November 8th, 2012, 12:34 AM
The Children's Crusade
A band of children in sci-fi is nothing new, just not long ago Stargate Atlantis did the same thing with "Childhood's End". I have a feeling that episode is better than this one.

So what's different here than in SGA? Well the children are more serious this time around and they have a darker backstory. They walk like the big boys taking about their lives, imposing a serious threat and actually knowing the stakes when it comes to the Militia; it's like they're hardened by the world and their story, well it's one that reflects the themes of the show and makes you care for them, it's really, really sad. The human nature of this world... They may seem serious but the problem is that they don't show much of what makes a kid a kid; SGA's portrayal may have been similar but at least they realized that a kid is going to be immature and rough that's what makes it believable, the fact that a kid would paint stuff over their faces, run around, talk to adults as if they knew them and the teens having a slight sense of understanding about their positions.

This just seems oddly bland and boring as if TPTB are using the children as sort of a contrast (kids playing adult roles) rather than as something truly representative of the world. Children playing adults is fine but they have to do more than just play adults, which they did not do here. Additionally, they try to bring some sort of morality by insisting that they're just children but the insistence does not work here; we get that they have their lives ahead of them, we get that they're young but it is what's shown that dilutes that. The crew is the most skilled in fighting and using weaponry and yet they get surrounded by a bunch of guys with arrows, granted what we've seen about the militia is appreciable but if these 4 guys are able to take out a bunch of milita with just their swords and crossbow guns, what's to say they can't do it themselves? The whole "they're just children" thing gets old without any real reasoning.


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Well... They're cute.

Which brings me to my next point; the threats here is really understated. Take for instance the ship which serves as a sort of "Galactic Empire Training Facility", they try to make it as an impenetrable fortress of which there is no escape but we barely see anything that resembles it; we see guys guarding it sure, we see men but what makes that different from what we've seen before (according to their instances), adding to that is the fact that we've seen them constantly get out of impossible situations before in the 7 episodes which have aired so there was no doubt in my mind that they would escape; It would of been better had they played up the threat but... I will say that it's nice to see more of the inner workings of the Monroe Republic; it's interesting to see how the soldiers of the world come to be, the way they train their soldiers, the speeches, the branding process, those scenes will ultimately grow the Monroe Republic despite the genericism in the dark and brooding elements.

The ship also unfortunately takes presidance to a plot regarding Charlie and her attempts to save a brother of the kids; the inconsistencies and dominance are more evident here, whenever Charlie speaks, Miles acts like her lap dog and apparently Charlie is the master of acting weak when she wants to and then kicking ass when she can, and this is supposed to be a character who's had no Militia fighting experience. The actual attempts to save her are competent enough and this contains some of the best Charlie scenes to date, the one where she gets knocked out and the one where she gets branded with the symbol which shows that she can at least scream properly (the other stuff was bleh.) and those things may play out in the future but I fear that Charlie's non-acting and inability to emotion will ruin any attempt to develop what could be defining thing in her character.

The most notable thing in this episode has to be the revelation with the pendents. Finally, Revolution is pushing itself to a plot which may seem interesting (even though they had to force it); we get to see flashbacks regarding the pendent (which shows how it all began but neglects to mention how they did it scientifically because nothing they can come up with will sound logistically possible, same goes to how it'll be used as a weapon.), we get to see Monroe looking for the pendents and we also get to see for the first time, Grace setting up what should be an exciting arc for the series. I'm a bit disappointed that we didn't get as much as the pendents as the NBC promo promised us but at least we did get a bit of Rachel who manages to show her acting chops and advance herself to the top 5 of best Revolution characters.

She shows a bit of a sensible caring mother when talking to Danny, providing a sense of warmth combined with a sense of awkwardness, she shows a sense of compassion when dealing with Monroe and other characters, trying to appeal to their better senses, trying to be earnest and best of all, she can definitely react in pain and shock whenever faced with something terrifying and it spreads to her flashbacks as well; there is a sense of irony portrayed in her pregnancy, the technology, the complications, it's like they're telling us that this one son would be the resulting cause of the blackout. It's understandable, you'd do anything to save your son even if it's against the generic "they might use it as a weapon" thing and life is the most important thing of all right? Rachel invites us into her world, makes us care for her story and she'll prove to be interesting in later episodes.


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Ben and Rachel, side by side.

In the end though, while this pushes the show forward; it's ultimately another episode with Charlie and the crew getting into another predicament and some special grab to hook the audience. This could of been a fun, easygoing episode but the powers didn't see the fun in children or the attempt to make a dynamic world; instead giving us a serious, twisted world that is slowly becoming boring and dull... This makes "Childhood's End" look good; sure it may be silly but at least they were aware of what children were.
3.5/10

garhkal
November 8th, 2012, 12:39 PM
I'm wondering if cause of that 'fetal issue' (the whole only having the one tube vice 2) is why danny has Asthma.

escyos
November 8th, 2012, 11:58 PM
I'm wondering if cause of that 'fetal issue' (the whole only having the one tube vice 2) is why danny has Asthma.

Not unless the heart is what causes asthma.

jelgate
November 9th, 2012, 07:06 AM
Not unless the heart is what causes asthma.

If I recall the doctor said the plumonary arteries which do go to the lungs which does cause asthma

LtColCarter
November 9th, 2012, 08:58 AM
This is quickly becoming one of my favorite shows, I love where they are going with it.

Mine too...I just hope NBC doesn't screw it up.

jelgate
November 9th, 2012, 09:20 AM
Its not going anywhere with the ratings its getting

LtColCarter
November 9th, 2012, 09:24 AM
Its not going anywhere with the ratings its getting

I've been so busy lately, that I've not checked the ratings on anything. I just know that I like the show...and usually when I like a show...it gets cancelled. ;)

VampyreWraith
November 9th, 2012, 11:38 AM
I also enjoy watching the show; I find it entertaining, so I'm glad that it's doing well. I hate that it's going on a 4 month hiatus after the next 3 episodes, since I really look forward to the new eps.

jelgate
November 9th, 2012, 04:30 PM
I actually think its a good idea. Revolution is a serialized show and serialized TV tends to do poorly in reruns. So a long hiatus while strange for primetime tv will probably work in Revolution's favor.

VampyreWraith
November 9th, 2012, 04:47 PM
True, that way, after the long hiatus, it can run straight through without all the little 1 or 2 weeks breaks(hopefully anyway). It's also still going to be paired with The Voice, so that's good. As long as its' return is advertised well, the hiatus could be a good thing for the show. I just hate waiting :P.

the fifth man
November 10th, 2012, 06:58 PM
A 4 month hiatus? That does suck pretty bad.

Overall, my wife and I are really enjoying this show.

knowles2
November 12th, 2012, 04:24 AM
There is a mixed record of shows successfully returning from such long hiatus. I think the trend lately is that shows tend not to do to well afterwards

VampyreWraith
November 13th, 2012, 08:06 AM
I really enjoyed last night's episode(ep 8). I think it was the best so far.It was more militia focused(which I like).
We got to know more about Nora(which I thought was good). Nora's sister being a traitior was kind of obvious(based on how easily she was freed).
Neville's wife stroking his ego, and telling him that he should be the one in charge was interesting.

Sp!der
November 13th, 2012, 11:19 AM
I liked Ties That Bind .. and it kept me watching not like the last episode ! I'm beginning to like Nora, she is kind of cool and Tracy Spiriadakos ( Charlie ) wasn't annoying for the first time in the whole season ! How much episode have we left untill it goes to the break ? Weird that the ad for next episode said "the next episode will feature a song of led zeppelin".. I like the band.. but.. so... what ? I thought that was kind of weird.

Ian-S
November 13th, 2012, 04:33 PM
How much episode have we left untill it goes to the break ?

Last episode (ep10) is November 26th, it then returns March 26th.

You'd think NBC would learn that after not one (Flash Forward) but two (The Event) of their previous shows haemorrhaged viewers after their mid-season breaks, that people don't tune back in when you put a show on break for months at a time.

But I guess that's a lesson NBC are yet to learn.

jelgate
November 13th, 2012, 05:12 PM
Last episode (ep10) is November 26th, it then returns March 26th.

You'd think NBC would learn that after not one (Flash Forward) but two (The Event) of their previous shows haemorrhaged viewers after their mid-season breaks, that people don't tune back in when you put a show on break for months at a time.

But I guess that's a lesson NBC are yet to learn.
Flash Forward was on ABC not NBC. Both examples had the show doing poorly before the hiatsus so it doesn't work. LOST had huge breaks and did not suffer significantly because of the breaks

ZRFTS
November 13th, 2012, 06:30 PM
Ties That Bind
You think that with the pendents being revealed; the show would go into a better direction. Well it does in this episode but some how it's still stuck in it's shackles.

But it is decent...

The premise of them being followed by one of the militia's most ruthless leaders Strauser isn't exactly a good premise; while the fear of them being hunted by a person who is willing to do anything to kill them is a good one in theory, as shown previously in Revolution these types of situations don't exactly provide the tensity which engages people but it does provide some good action. Just when you think it's going to be another episode, bam! You get gunshots, people chasing themselves through a city and even explosions galore; it's definitely an unexpected surprise which should take it's audience by storm and hook them though the ever disappointing times.

I think the problem lies with Strauser; he's built up to be an unstoppable, menacing foe and that's what he is, just a menacing foe without any convincing character or background. There's nothing to make us think that he's any different from any of the milita guys we've faced except for the fact that he's seemingly everywhere and one step ahead of our heroes; even his backstory is disinteresting in that he was locked up in a mental asylum, while it does explain his personality, it doesn't make him memorable one bit. He does have one defining trait though and that is the deviousness that he shows in setting up situations to get what he wants, tricking the characters and destroying friendships in the process; that one scene shows the potential of that character but then again, it's only one thing that stands out from a bland few.


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Strauser.

I have to say, the characters here acted better; Miles seemed to be somewhat into it yelling out emphasisms with a bit of emotion and definitely showing his gruff side and Charlie, let's just say she wisely stays out of the way knowing her limitations and her inability to emote. Less Charlie equal better episode I say; they really helped to provide some entertainment value and keep people engaged and maybe, maybe that'll translate to future episodes and even Nevil gets a chance to show his fatherly side by going against the abuse given towards him and even protecting him in the process shafting a commander or two (it really shows how he takes his position and his family seriously, makes him almost human.) but the real stars here are Nora and her sister who manage to bring out the acting chops and finally prove their characters.

Though the plot is common; the emotion they put on is really charming, you can feel their bond, the hopes that their father might be alive, the desire of Nora to save Miles brother, the insistence of her sister; even though I think otherwise of Charlie and her family, it is the sweetness that makes it all convincing, that makes you forgoe the flaws and just think of what's on screen and the flashbacks featuring their younger selves are equally as good if not better. I don't know why the younger counterparts act better than their older ones but they do, the way her sister asks questions and make faces is exceedingly cute and the way Nora takes care of her younger sister, trying to reassure her through these hard times, it's a nice sign of the devoted nature that her character would later have in the future.


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Cute.

However, the episode seems to go off on a tangent in the last few minutes and it seems to consist mainly of padding with possible questions for the future. Many questionable inclusions are included here like the scene with Strauser and Miles; considering what he had I'm surprised he went back and gave them a chance to take it, especially considering that the crew was able to at least get close to Strauser. This would threaten to undermine the series but luckily the writers managed to rectify that though in the poorest way possible. The scene involving Nora and her sister is a nice show is emotional heartbreak but it's placing in the plot felt like something meant for Act 4 rather than Act 3 and it's impact is lessened because of it. There's also more setups here than plot, we have a scene with Monroe and Rachel, we have a scene with Nevil and surprise, surprise, a scene with Grace and Randal which shows us a bit of their operation.

It raises many questions like "will Nevil rise up and take control of the Militia?", "just what is Monroe going to do with the pendent?", "what is that weapon shown in the end?" and all of those questions seems interesting but the real question to me is this. "Do these instances have any weight?" Miles definitely seems to hint constantly at how Monroe will use the pendents but he only gives us insistence after insistence with no clarity. Adding to that is the lack of exploration into Miles' past; he was the founder of the militia, he supposedly killed tons of people and yet there is barely anything about that which gives weight to his words. I understand if you want to keep this a secret but for us to care about the pendents, we have to know more about him and they're going to have to reveal it sooner or later because saying Monroe is evil (though he himself isn't helping) isn't exactly going to hold up.

This isn't as what NBC made it out to be but it's still decent. There wasn't much in the premise overall but it did have a cute plot with Nora and her sister and at least Charlie stayed out of the way. At least we're getting, getting somewhere now.
5.0/10

Sp!der
November 14th, 2012, 12:10 AM
Last episode (ep10) is November 26th, it then returns March 26th.

You'd think NBC would learn that after not one (Flash Forward) but two (The Event) of their previous shows haemorrhaged viewers after their mid-season breaks, that people don't tune back in when you put a show on break for months at a time.

But I guess that's a lesson NBC are yet to learn.
Thanks Ian-S I'm still pissed on NBC because they didn't air community when it should have aired. I don't get them, the treat their best shows ( at least IMO ) like.... nothin ! At least chuck had a good run although it had to struggle as well, why are especially NBC so stupid ? I think they are worse then abc, fox and syfy together when it comes down to canceling shows!

bookwormjules
November 14th, 2012, 02:04 AM
I liked Ties That Bind .. and it kept me watching not like the last episode ! I'm beginning to like Nora, she is kind of cool and Tracy Spiriadakos ( Charlie ) wasn't annoying for the first time in the whole season ! How much episode have we left untill it goes to the break ? Weird that the ad for next episode said "the next episode will feature a song of led zeppelin".. I like the band.. but.. so... what ? I thought that was kind of weird.

Charlie wasn't annoying for the first time? Darn and I missed it because I fell asleep. I like the show, but Charlie makes it difficult for me to watch it. I only vaguely know what happens week to week, because I get so p'oed at Charlie. I'll have to rewatch it when it reairs during the hiatus.

VampyreWraith
November 14th, 2012, 04:55 AM
Charlie didn't really do much in the latest episode. She was nice to Nora, and that was about it. I like it when she isn't focused on as much.

The promo for next week's episode makes it seem very Miles/Monroe/militia heavy. I hope that's the case.

jelgate
November 14th, 2012, 05:06 AM
Thanks Ian-S I'm still pissed on NBC because they didn't air community when it should have aired. I don't get them, the treat their best shows ( at least IMO ) like.... nothin ! At least chuck had a good run although it had to struggle as well, why are especially NBC so stupid ? I think they are worse then abc, fox and syfy together when it comes down to canceling shows!

Community their best show? Thats laughable. Community has low ratings and barely got a new season. NBC has such low standards that a show that would have been cancelled on ABC and FOX might get renewed on NBC

Sp!der
November 14th, 2012, 05:45 AM
In my eyes Community is their best show ;) at least at the Moment ;)

jelgate
November 14th, 2012, 05:55 AM
And you don't see the problem in that line of thinking when it comes to making a logical business decision?

Sp!der
November 14th, 2012, 11:55 AM
And you don't see the problem in that line of thinking when it comes to making a logical business decision?

nah ;)

jelgate
November 14th, 2012, 02:33 PM
nah ;)

I am sensing sarcasm

Ian-S
November 14th, 2012, 03:16 PM
What's community? Oh and duhh, I could have sworn FF was on NBC :lol:

Sp!der
November 15th, 2012, 03:55 AM
i am sensing sarcasm

;)

Morbo
November 15th, 2012, 04:19 PM
Community IS nbc's best show.
Haven't had a chance to watch this week's episode yet. But will eventually.
If they really are going on break for that long, they will lose a ton of viewers. The show isn't even close to being engaging enough to maintain a must-watch crowd that will make sure they come back.

ZRFTS
November 20th, 2012, 05:27 PM
Kashmir
So tonight's episode of Revolution features a time honored tradition among dramatic shows; the hallucinations. You know those things that often grow a character through the facing of his own internal fears that make people grow crazy... It also contains... *clears throat*

Music by Led Zeppelin!

The NBC promo made a pretty big deal about this but why make a big deal about it? this isn't the voice or CSI or even The Office for that matter...

It should effectively grow the characters and it should give us a better insight on them but there one shocking thing this episode made me realize though.

Stargate Universe did it way better.

This is by far the weakest episode of Revolution; much of it has to do in the most claustrophobic environment possible with some of the most boring scenes ever. For much of the episode, Miles, Charlie, Nora, some girl and a rebellion leader trek through the caves, trying to find the essential way out all while they wait for their hallucinations to appear; this is all they do, there's barely any character interaction between them or sense of dialog, watching them just walk is boring unless we have a reason to care and in this case we don't. The show hasn't given much of anything regarding Danny's consistency, Monroe's certainty or the scope of the threat in order to give the situation they're in much weight; they want the feeling to be marching towards something dramatic, trekking in hopes that they can stop the evil Monroe empire and rescue Danny but it's the opposite of that.


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Charlie... Just look at that face.

The hallucinations they go through are uninspired and generic with the added side of being predictable and unconvincing. We get the usual guys running around, nothing's there; there's a crocodile on my leg, no there isn't; my wife is suddenly next to me talking about how weak I am; we even get one where it happens in a full room and to each one those happens to, nothing new is revealed about them and in some cases, it even dilutes the characters as a whole. We already know that Nora is afraid of dieing, afraid of being weak; we know that Aaron causes a whole lot of grief to his wife and we certainly know Charlie and her father. The only thing that is truly notable is Miles' hallucination where he faces off with Monroe but even that is weak, mainly because it just dwells on the guilt without really dawning upon it. (but I will admit that the whole turning back the militia thing is somewhat interesting.)

Aaron and Miles' hallucinations could of been passable but instead they continue to neglect knowledge, I understand if you want to have someone face off with a wife who's feelings are hurt but seriously, to make it seem as if there's some sort of a conflict where he's stronger than one than with the other isn't going to do wonders; Aaron tried to survive and found himself failing at every turn, he wanted to mean something (while also neglecting the science and engineering skills that he has), to ignore that is questionable. As for Miles... this confirms the long standing suspicion I had on him, that he broke apart because of a difference of opinion but this is where it really gets confusing, I thought Miles was the one who started the republic. He saw the abuse that was going on, the flashbacks really implied it and yet it's insisted here that Monroe was in control, that Miles was his lapdog and he was put into a position to kill him. Okay, but if Monroe was in charge while did Miles still kill, heck why does he even want to kill Monroe if he acted as if he was in charge and killed without remorse? This really damages what they have going on for Monroe.


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Rachel and the device.

Charlie also gets into many near death incidents here and every time I was cheering for her to die and jeering any attempts to save her; which should not happen. I don't know why she's so weak, maybe it's the actor, maybe it's the character, maybe it's her story; all I know is that every line seems "righteous", she can't "emote", she can't "act" and she certainty can't show "character". It's admirable that they tried to inject character in the form of certain scenes; showing the bond of the crew, placing her in an emotional state of death but I didn't care for both of them, especially that her father was in her dream world. Every moment is a chance to turn it around, she has a chance to show legitimate emotion, hook the audience into her character; she even has a change to look normal but every moment that also passes is one that convinces me of her lack of appeal, lack of talent... I understand why the characters would save her, it is TV after all but honestly, the characters shouldn't be second fiddle constantly saving her life; seeing Miles trying to save Charlie just made me yell at my TV screen.

The only really good parts of this episode are the scenes regarding Monroe and Rachel. We really get to see what's behind Rachel, she is just so cunning and devious as she works on the device; she faces off with people like Nevil and a militia general but she doesn't show any fear, no she just shows narcissism while she shows off the device and explains how it's going to be used and we also get the best surprise when we see Rachel's true colors; who knew that she had second doubts about what's going on and who knew that she would do anything just to value her life; it just gives her character importance, makes the Monroe plot really interesting and even though Monroe acted like Darth Vader (though I will admit living up to his bargain was good); he was ever so essential in bringing out that side of Rachel, one which isn't the clear cut personality we thought she was.

In closing: this episode is terrible. I'd go so far as to say that this is the worst hallucination episode ever in the history of sci-fi. Everything about this episode screams gimmicky and uninspired; there is no reason to care for our characters and much of what is revealed about them is inconsequential, heck even the two songs from Led Zeppelin are out of place. The only good parts are the scenes regarding Monroe and Rachel but you certainly don't want to watch 44 minutes just to get that. I am not looking forward to the midseason finale at all...
1.0/10

VampyreWraith
November 20th, 2012, 08:03 PM
Kashmir (episode 9)
I liked the episode(mainly for the character stuff). I actually liked the hallucinations. I just wish there was a better excuse for them, than the characters running out of air(because that really didn't seem possible, given their situation). I reallly liked Rachel in this episode, that last scene with her was great(imo).

escyos
November 20th, 2012, 11:12 PM
Kashmir (episode 9)
I liked the episode(mainly for the character stuff). I actually liked the hallucinations. I just wish there was a better excuse for them, than the characters running out of air(because that really didn't seem possible, given their situation). I reallly liked Rachel in this episode, that last scene with her was great(imo).

A massive explosion, their fires, stagnant air, dead animals, sewerage, dust, methane build-up, debris, etc and you don't think the air would be any good?

bookwormjules
November 21st, 2012, 01:43 AM
Kashmir
So tonight's episode of Revolution features a time honored tradition among dramatic shows; the hallucinations. You know those things that often grow a character through the facing of his own internal fears that make people grow crazy... It also contains... *clears throat*

Music by Led Zeppelin!

The NBC promo made a pretty big deal about this but why make a big deal about it? this isn't the voice or CSI or even The Office for that matter...

It should effectively grow the characters and it should give us a better insight on them but there one shocking thing this episode made me realize though.

Stargate Universe did it way better.

This is by far the weakest episode of Revolution; much of it has to do in the most claustrophobic environment possible with some of the most boring scenes ever. For much of the episode, Miles, Charlie, Nora, some girl and a rebellion leader trek through the caves, trying to find the essential way out all while they wait for their hallucinations to appear; this is all they do, there's barely any character interaction between them or sense of dialog, watching them just walk is boring unless we have a reason to care and in this case we don't. The show hasn't given much of anything regarding Danny's consistency, Monroe's certainty or the scope of the threat in order to give the situation they're in much weight; they want the feeling to be marching towards something dramatic, trekking in hopes that they can stop the evil Monroe empire and rescue Danny but it's the opposite of that.


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Charlie... Just look at that face.

The hallucinations they go through are uninspired and generic with the added side of being predictable and unconvincing. We get the usual guys running around, nothing's there; there's a crocodile on my leg, no there isn't; my wife is suddenly next to me talking about how weak I am; we even get one where it happens in a full room and to each one those happens to, nothing new is revealed about them and in some cases, it even dilutes the characters as a whole. We already know that Nora is afraid of dieing, afraid of being weak; we know that Aaron causes a whole lot of grief to his wife and we certainly know Charlie and her father. The only thing that is truly notable is Miles' hallucination where he faces off with Monroe but even that is weak, mainly because it just dwells on the guilt without really dawning upon it. (but I will admit that the whole turning back the militia thing is somewhat interesting.)

Aaron and Miles' hallucinations could of been passable but instead they continue to neglect knowledge, I understand if you want to have someone face off with a wife who's feelings are hurt but seriously, to make it seem as if there's some sort of a conflict where he's stronger than one than with the other isn't going to do wonders; Aaron tried to survive and found himself failing at every turn, he wanted to mean something (while also neglecting the science and engineering skills that he has), to ignore that is questionable. As for Miles... this confirms the long standing suspicion I had on him, that he broke apart because of a difference of opinion but this is where it really gets confusing, I thought Miles was the one who started the republic. He saw the abuse that was going on, the flashbacks really implied it and yet it's insisted here that Monroe was in control, that Miles was his lapdog and he was put into a position to kill him. Okay, but if Monroe was in charge while did Miles still kill, heck why does he even want to kill Monroe if he acted as if he was in charge and killed without remorse? This really damages what they have going on for Monroe.


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Rachel and the device.

Charlie also gets into many near death incidents here and every time I was cheering for her to die and jeering any attempts to save her; which should not happen. I don't know why she's so weak, maybe it's the actor, maybe it's the character, maybe it's her story; all I know is that every line seems "righteous", she can't "emote", she can't "act" and she certainty can't show "character". It's admirable that they tried to inject character in the form of certain scenes; showing the bond of the crew, placing her in an emotional state of death but I didn't care for both of them, especially that her father was in her dream world. Every moment is a chance to turn it around, she has a chance to show legitimate emotion, hook the audience into her character; she even has a change to look normal but every moment that also passes is one that convinces me of her lack of appeal, lack of talent... I understand why the characters would save her, it is TV after all but honestly, the characters shouldn't be second fiddle constantly saving her life; seeing Miles trying to save Charlie just made me yell at my TV screen.

The only really good parts of this episode are the scenes regarding Monroe and Rachel. We really get to see what's behind Rachel, she is just so cunning and devious as she works on the device; she faces off with people like Nevil and a militia general but she doesn't show any fear, no she just shows narcissism while she shows off the device and explains how it's going to be used and we also get the best surprise when we see Rachel's true colors; who knew that she had second doubts about what's going on and who knew that she would do anything just to value her life; it just gives her character importance, makes the Monroe plot really interesting and even though Monroe acted like Darth Vader (though I will admit living up to his bargain was good); he was ever so essential in bringing out that side of Rachel, one which isn't the clear cut personality we thought she was.

In closing: this episode is terrible. I'd go so far as to say that this is the worst hallucination episode ever in the history of sci-fi. Everything about this episode screams gimmicky and uninspired; there is no reason to care for our characters and much of what is revealed about them is inconsequential, heck even the two songs from Led Zeppelin are out of place. The only good parts are the scenes regarding Monroe and Rachel but you certainly don't want to watch 44 minutes just to get that. I am not looking forward to the midseason finale at all...
1.0/10

I'm glad I missed it. It's recorded on the PVR but it looks like I can sleep through this one.

VampyreWraith
November 21st, 2012, 02:48 AM
A massive explosion, their fires, stagnant air, dead animals, sewerage, dust, methane build-up, debris, etc and you don't think the air would be any good?

It wouldn't have been the freshest air(even before the explosion blocked the tunnel), but they weren't supposed to be hallucinatiing because of something that might be in the air(and they weren't complaining about air quality beforehand); they specifically said it was due to of lack of oxygen. All the oxygen already in the all the tunnels wouldn't just disappear because of that explosion. *They could/should have put out some of their torches, if they were worried that they(the torches) were taking up too much oxygen. They didn't even mention anything about possible methane build-up(not that I recall, anyway), and their way out was a door with holes in it.

escyos
November 21st, 2012, 03:18 AM
It wouldn't be the freshest air(even without the explosion), but they weren't supposed to be hallucinatiing because of something that might be in the air; they specifically said it was because of lack of oxygen. All the oxygen already in the all the tunnels wouldn't just disappear because of that explosion.

Yes but breathing in air full of dust and debris will inhibit your ability to absorb oxygen as well. We saw a few hours of them in a tunnel, there may not have been much more to the tunnels then there was. I don't see why your so hung up on something that can be explained pretty easily (I will say your better than those on facebook, they have problems with everything).

VampyreWraith
November 21st, 2012, 05:04 AM
I'm not hung up on it, I just wished there was a better reason than the air running out. I would have been more satisfied, if it turned out the traitor had drugged Miles and the others(or something like that), causing them to hallucinate. I actually liked the episode, but I don't have to love everything about it, or find everything believable.

*escyos I added stuff to my previous post before your reply showed up.

Mrja84
November 21st, 2012, 06:28 AM
I'm not hung up on it, I just wished there was a better reason than the air running out. I would have been more satisfied, if it turned out the traitor had drugged Miles and the others(or something like that), causing them to hallucinate. I actually liked the episode, but I don't have to love everything about it, or find everything believable.

*escyos I added stuff to my previous post before your reply showed up.

Here's the thing, People do not always know the answer. When a character says something like the hallucinations are from lack of oxygen, then they may not be lying, but they might not be telling the truth either. It's what they think is occurring.

In Stargate Universe, people raised red flags when someone explained something that didn't make sense or some gave a board answer like "Destiny's thousands of years old". They are human and humans do not always speak in exact truths.

We guess and we say board things like "I'm so hungry I could eat a horse". That doesn't mean they are going to eat a horse or a meal of comparable size, it's just a figure of speech.

In this case, Aaron who is more knowledgeable about technology than medicine or chemicals, gave what he thought was causing the hallucinations. And clearly, he's thought that they were occurring only when they were about to die was wrong, since they were in the tunnels for a long time.

ZRFTS
November 21st, 2012, 08:11 AM
Here's the thing, People do not always know the answer. When a character says something like the hallucinations are from lack of oxygen, then they may not be lying, but they might not be telling the truth either. It's what they think is occurring.
I have to dispute this; it's a guess, an assumption. Lying is when you're trying to diverge from the truth, coming up with anything that isn't established. The truth is telling something that's established, telling something that actually happened. When people are making assumptions; they're not purposefully lying or telling the truth, they're not even trying to come up with a reason with why it's happening. They're coming up with something based on what they see based on possible situations and even visible sights.

Case in point. Aaron made that assumption when the flame was burning out; now if the flame wasn't burning out, what type of assumption would he be making? Gas, drugs, toxins? He made it based on what he saw, not something made out of desperation.



In Stargate Universe, people raised red flags when someone explained something that didn't make sense or some gave a board answer like "Destiny's thousands of years old". They are human and humans do not always speak in exact truths.

So what is an exact truth? And more so if humans don't speak in exact truths what can. A computer is a thing that processes things to the exact decibel point but it doesn't know what the exact truth is, anything that's stored on there could be the truth or it could be a fabrication... So really, is there anything that can be defined as an "exact truth". Even if the computer had artificial intelligence, it would still have a grasp of humanity and it's definition of exactism would be loss therefore residing the computer to the realm of humans.

Humans range from all kinds and there is no exact classification for what we do "telling exact truths, feeling emotional outburts, having odd thoughts" so therefore there can be no unified belief for what the race is as a while.

Also what is shown is a TV show, details are likely to be messed up depending on the quality of the writer. (excluding years) This is not limited to SGU by the way, SGA and even SG1 messes up certain details too and those people aren't even on the same caliber as SGU.



We guess and we say board things like "I'm so hungry I could eat a horse". That doesn't mean they are going to eat a horse or a meal of comparable size, it's just a figure of speech.
This is contradictory. Using the same argument, is saying "A pig can fly"? a guess. That meaning of speech is based on the fact that pigs don't fly but who's to say there aren't some people who take it seriously.


In this case, Aaron who is more knowledgeable about technology than medicine or chemicals, gave what he thought was causing the hallucinations. And clearly, he's thought that they were occurring only when they were about to die was wrong, since they were in the tunnels for a long time.
Technology is technically science, you have things like neutrons, electrical conductivity, binary code, material composition, data transfering, machinery and medicine and chemicals, also science... there are things like formulas, minerals, cells, the breaking and reforming of them, the specific composition of atoms, the variations in the atmosphere, volitity, formulas. Even designing Roller Coasters requires an intricate knowledge of physics, speed of drop, momentum, gravity, friction, lateral forces.

To assume that Aaron does not know science is incorrect. Google would not let a person without a proper experience in technology to be an executive, it suggests unprofessionalism. (how do you think they manage to innovate new technology and manage their systems.) He saw the flame, he saw how it was burning out, he even knew that a lack of oxygen can lead to delirium (due to certain functions of the brain not working properly, things like the memory and perception aspect of it.), that alone gives the argument that he knows about science much more weight. Sure, he's a geek but technology is not separate from science, in fact it is a part of it.

It's also one of the things I detest about him; the neglect of this knowledge that could potentially be helpful. I really understand if you want to make him weak but the entire world does not revolve around technology, things like nature, the scope of the world and even basic understanding of life are as essential as technology which even then is just a thing we could do without. If they would realize that technology isn't the one-sided thing it is and if they would just bring out Aaron's other knowledge, make him more of a know-it-all and less of a computer geek then maybe, maybe I'd like it more but as it stands...

VampyreWraith
November 21st, 2012, 09:12 AM
Here's the thing, People do not always know the answer. When a character says something like the hallucinations are from lack of oxygen, then they may not be lying, but they might not be telling the truth either. It's what they think is occurring.

In Stargate Universe, people raised red flags when someone explained something that didn't make sense or some gave a board answer like "Destiny's thousands of years old". They are human and humans do not always speak in exact truths.

We guess and we say board things like "I'm so hungry I could eat a horse". That doesn't mean they are going to eat a horse or a meal of comparable size, it's just a figure of speech.

In this case, Aaron who is more knowledgeable about technology than medicine or chemicals, gave what he thought was causing the hallucinations. And clearly, he's thought that they were occurring only when they were about to die was wrong, since they were in the tunnels for a long time.


I'd considered that Aaron didn't really know what was wrong, and it might really have been something other than the air, but then they started acting like they were all having some trouble breathing, and they mentioned that the fire was getting low due to lack of oxygen; and once they started to get close to the exit, someone(the militia guy, I think) mentioned how the torch was getting brighter. I just don't see how they could have had so little oxygen in those tunnels, that they were already at the point of hallucinating(which Aaron said was something that happened right before death). If there was supposed to be more to it(or something other) than the lack of oxygen, then someone should have at least brought up the possibility. Anyway, it didn't ruin the entire episode for me, but I was bothered by it.

Sp!der
November 22nd, 2012, 11:34 PM
I have to say, Kashmir, was yet the worst episode ! I only liked I only really liked the interaction between Miles and Bass during his hallucination the only fact I liked was that Sebastian Roché ( Balthazar from Supernatural ) was in it, I like this guy, other than that. I'll still finish Season 1 too see where things headed, probably on dvd it will be a quote from "critics" " a mind blowing season " ... not... but will see how thing's will develop next year.

Off-Topic : Who the hell his Ziva ? :D

escyos
November 23rd, 2012, 01:27 AM
I have to say, Kashmir, was yet the worst episode ! I only liked I only really liked the interaction between Miles and Bass during his hallucination the only fact I liked was that Sebastian Roché ( Balthazar from Supernatural ) was in it, I like this guy, other than that. I'll still finish Season 1 too see where things headed, probably on dvd it will be a quote from "critics" " a mind blowing season " ... not... but will see how thing's will develop next year.

Off-Topic : Who the hell his Ziva ? :D

Ummm nobody named Sebastian Roche was in that episode.

Sp!der
November 23rd, 2012, 05:13 AM
Ummm nobody named Sebastian Roche was in that episode.

Wasn't that him ? Sorry, my bad. it was Reed Diamond, but you have to admit, they look quite the same.

garhkal
November 25th, 2012, 08:17 PM
Anyone know what day/time it repeats? I might have a conflict tomorrow night for the season finale with hour 2 of the Extreme-make over home edition.

jelgate
November 25th, 2012, 08:39 PM
Anyone know what day/time it repeats? I might have a conflict tomorrow night for the season finale with hour 2 of the Extreme-make over home edition.

I think it may repeat next Saturday night. Do you have computer access? It will be on Hulu and NBC Tuesday morning.

garhkal
November 25th, 2012, 09:28 PM
Laptop, but since its almost 8 yrs old, it runs hulu slow as heck.

jelgate
November 25th, 2012, 09:35 PM
Laptop, but since its almost 8 yrs old, it runs hulu slow as heck.

I'm sure as I was orginally wrong. It only airs this Monday which makes your online viewing you only choice if you want Extreme Makeover

garhkal
November 26th, 2012, 12:17 PM
Yea.. i checked out this coming Saturday's tv schedule and saw no Revolution repeat...
Guess its gonna be 1 of the 2 hrs of EMHE i catch tonight.

Perelandra
November 27th, 2012, 08:38 AM
What did everyone think of the finale? I still haven't figured out the manaul spoiler posting so I can't say much but interesting they delved into the past deep friendship of former BFF's Miles and Monroe,
going back to boyhood now to remain enemies.

VampyreWraith
November 27th, 2012, 10:47 AM
What did everyone think of the finale? I still haven't figured out the manaul spoiler posting so I can't say much but interesting they delved into the past deep friendship of former BFF's Miles and Monroe,
going back to boyhood now to remain enemies.

For spoilers it's:
[spoiler] [ /spoiler] or
[spoilers] [ /spoilers]
just don't put a space between the open bracket and the slash.

I thought last night's episode was really good. I think it's the best episode of the first half of the season. I liked it a lot. I really liked how they went into Miles' and Monroe's friendship a bit.
I like the series and most of the characters, and I hate that there will be such a long wait until the next episode( though I do find the break understandable).

Perelandra
November 27th, 2012, 12:04 PM
For spoilers it's:
[spoiler] [ /spoiler] or
[spoilers] [ /spoilers]
just don't put a space between the open bracket and the slash.

I thought last night's episode was really good. I think it's the best episode of the first half of the season. I liked it a lot. I really liked how they went into Miles' and Monroe's friendship a bit.
I like the series and most of the characters, and I hate that there will be such a long wait until the next episode( though I do find the break understandable).

Thanks VampyreWraith! do you type that in manually?

As for the wait, how long are we talking? I saw 2013 but not a month.

VampyreWraith
November 27th, 2012, 12:18 PM
Thanks VampyreWraith! do you type that in manually?

As for the wait, how long are we talking? I saw 2013 but not a month.

You're welcome :) yep you type that in, and when you hit reply the spoilers will be covered. So it's, [spoiler] spoilery stuff goes here [ /spoiler] (without the space).

I think it's supposed to come back on March 25, 2013. It's a long break. :(

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
November 27th, 2012, 12:21 PM
man what a finale. i betcha dollars to donuts that its neville in that helicopter.

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
November 27th, 2012, 12:23 PM
You're welcome :) yep you type that in, and when you hit reply the spoilers will be covered. So it's, [spoiler] spoilery stuff goes here [ /spoiler] (without the space).

I think it's supposed to come back on March 25, 2013. It's a long break. :(

not that long of a break that's 3 months. i'm used to 3 month hiatus.

VampyreWraith
November 27th, 2012, 12:29 PM
not that long of a break that's 3 months. i'm used to 3 month hiatus.

It's 4 months, I think. I guess it just seems long since it's a fall network show, and there is nothing else that I like to watch on Monday nights. I watch other shows (like GoT) that have about 9 months between seasons, that's a really long time lol.

jelgate
November 27th, 2012, 01:14 PM
It's 4 months, I think. I guess it just seems long since it's a fall network show, and there is nothing else that I like to watch on Monday nights. I watch other shows (like GoT) that have about 9 months between seasons, that's a really long time lol.

Its not between seasons. The episodes in March are still S1

garhkal
November 27th, 2012, 01:15 PM
My comments..

What got me is between when she (mom) stabbed the butthead and when Miles shows up to get her out, she had several seconds to get the device (amulet) out of the amplifier. And even after miles showed up, it would have taken her all of 10 seconds to run over there, pull it out and get out with miles.. So why would she have left it??

Also, i have always been told that Oil, lubircation grease, gasoline etc breaks down over time. So while the helo's might have power, how the heck do they have USABLE fluids?

VampyreWraith
November 27th, 2012, 01:47 PM
Its not between seasons. The episodes in March are still S1

I know, I was talking about how other shows I watch have 9 months between seasons.

VampyreWraith
November 27th, 2012, 01:59 PM
My comments..

What got me is between when she (mom) stabbed the butthead and when Miles shows up to get her out, she had several seconds to get the device (amulet) out of the amplifier. And even after miles showed up, it would have taken her all of 10 seconds to run over there, pull it out and get out with miles.. So why would she have left it??

Also, i have always been told that Oil, lubircation grease, gasoline etc breaks down over time. So while the helo's might have power, how the heck do they have USABLE fluids?

Rachel went over to Miles and smacked him, right after that, the militia guys came in. There was no time to grab the pendant thing. If she hadn't gone over to Miles first, there would have been time though.

escyos
November 27th, 2012, 05:02 PM
man what a finale. i betcha dollars to donuts that its neville in that helicopter.

I doubt it, he was an insurance adjuster before the blackout so there is only a slim chance that he knew how to fly one. Plus I doubt he could have learned how to fly one by using a stick and running around.

escyos
November 27th, 2012, 05:12 PM
And Revolution went up 1.7 million this week. Thats good news for a possible season 2 (or at the very least, stop NBC from pulling the plug on the rest of the season i.e. episode 13 onwards)

jelgate
November 27th, 2012, 05:31 PM
Unless the return completely bombs its unlikely the show will be cancelled

Rosehawk
November 27th, 2012, 06:20 PM
man what a finale. i betcha dollars to donuts that its neville in that helicopter.

Neville Dad or Neville Son? I'm thinking it's the son

lopo30
November 28th, 2012, 03:47 AM
Neville Dad or Neville Son? I'm thinking it's the son

he's son was like 6 y.o. before the power went down how can he know how to fly ???

i think more that it's the black women who worked with Rachel before the power went down cause few episodes back there was talk about that when she was captured with some creepy guy who had working factory or electricity station

and btw it's a strange mid season if the show first season has 22 episodes and have aired only 10 episodes so next year we have 12 episodes

escyos
November 28th, 2012, 06:03 AM
he's son was like 6 y.o. before the power went down how can he know how to fly ???

i think more that it's the black women who worked with Rachel before the power went down cause few episodes back there was talk about that when she was captured with some creepy guy who had working factory or electricity station

and btw it's a strange mid season if the show first season has 22 episodes and have aired only 10 episodes so next year we have 12 episodes

Grace is not being held by Monroe so for her to pilot the helicopter, it'd be quite a stretch.

Maybe the final episode is a two or three parter shown on the same night.

Spimman
November 28th, 2012, 06:26 AM
man what a finale. i betcha dollars to donuts that its neville in that helicopter.

He was a claims adjuster prior to the blackout. To fly a chopper you'd have to have someone that knew how to fly one prior to the blackout.

jelgate
November 28th, 2012, 06:29 AM
One could make the arguement that maybe he did. Just because that was what Neville did at the blackout doesn't mean he didn't have the experence. That said it could be anyone. My bet is someone from Randall's group. But their is no way to know.

lopo30
November 28th, 2012, 06:44 AM
Grace is not being held by Monroe so for her to pilot the helicopter, it'd be quite a stretch.

Maybe the final episode is a two or three parter shown on the same night.


i didnt say she was captured by the monroe i sed she was captured by a creepy guy who was in a few episodes in like 8'th or 9'th episode and showed screens for the lady and now she must do something about it so to look a gliffhanger then she is only one person who could be cause the chopper will not attack Miles and the family who just escaped or will and then power will go out by the action of Grace

garhkal
November 28th, 2012, 12:27 PM
Rachel went over to Miles and smacked him, right after that, the militia guys came in. There was no time to grab the pendant thing. If she hadn't gone over to Miles first, there would have been time though.

It seemed to me they both stood there for a bit before she smacked him...

VampyreWraith
November 28th, 2012, 12:30 PM
It seemed to me they both stood there for a bit before she smacked him...

Yeah, they stared at each other, then she smacked him, then right after that that 3 militia guys ran in.

Rosehawk
November 28th, 2012, 04:07 PM
he's son was like 6 y.o. before the power went down how can he know how to fly ???

i think more that it's the black women who worked with Rachel before the power went down cause few episodes back there was talk about that when she was captured with some creepy guy who had working factory or electricity station

and btw it's a strange mid season if the show first season has 22 episodes and have aired only 10 episodes so next year we have 12 episodes

He could have had someone teach him the basics. He spends time away from camp, it's been made clear that he's not happy with Dad. He seems to be smited with Charlie. Monroe would have had to have had some trained people in his camp. It could be the first time he's actually been in a helicopter that works - it's not unusal for TV to take a few liberties in their story-telling.

I don't think it's Grace but I do agree it could also be someone Randall sent. Randall knows that Monroe has one of the pendents. It's possible he also has people who have infiltrated Monroe's unit. - things we won't know until the season starts up again.

escyos
November 28th, 2012, 05:45 PM
He could have had someone teach him the basics. He spends time away from camp, it's been made clear that he's not happy with Dad. He seems to be smited with Charlie. Monroe would have had to have had some trained people in his camp. It could be the first time he's actually been in a helicopter that works - it's not unusal for TV to take a few liberties in their story-telling.

I don't think it's Grace but I do agree it could also be someone Randall sent. Randall knows that Monroe has one of the pendents. It's possible he also has people who have infiltrated Monroe's unit. - things we won't know until the season starts up again.

More likely its an old pilot who knows how to fly already. Sending up a rookie in one of your helicopters is just calling for it to crash. Would you simply give some verbal instructions to a kid and then put him behind the wheel of a car expecting him to do good?

Perelandra
November 29th, 2012, 06:59 AM
I doubt it's either Neville, Grace or Neville's son in that helicopter, although it's certainly possible that either Neville or Grace could have had flying experience before the blackout more likely either one of them than Neville's son I would guess it would have to be someone who knew how to fly before the blackout therefore I agree with the post above on that issue. I guess we'll just have to wait until season 2 starts up
I really enjoyed this last episode much more than the previous one the hallucinations in the tunnel got quite tedious for me but this episode was quite good. Glad to see Rachel take out that psychopath. sort of sad that backstory between Miles and Monroe esp after Monroe lost his family and Miles saying well you still have me(BFF's) and now they are going to be enemies forever as Monroe has lost it and of course Miles has to choose his family over him.

Perelandra
November 29th, 2012, 07:17 AM
Unless the return completely bombs its unlikely the show will be cancelled

Finally a show I like and watch each week that is in no danger of getting canceled.(I hope)

jelgate
November 29th, 2012, 12:37 PM
I doubt it's either Neville, Grace or Neville's son in that helicopter, although it's certainly possible that either Neville or Grace could have had flying experience before the blackout more likely either one of them than Neville's son I would guess it would have to be someone who knew how to fly before the blackout therefore I agree with the post above on that issue. I guess we'll just have to wait until season 2 starts up
I really enjoyed this last episode much more than the previous one the hallucinations in the tunnel got quite tedious for me but this episode was quite good. Glad to see Rachel take out that psychopath. sort of sad that backstory between Miles and Monroe esp after Monroe lost his family and Miles saying well you still have me(BFF's) and now they are going to be enemies forever as Monroe has lost it and of course Miles has to choose his family over him.

Don't you mean when S1 returns?

Perelandra
November 29th, 2012, 02:27 PM
Don't you mean when S1 returns?

Oh yes, that's what I mean!

Rosehawk
November 29th, 2012, 04:12 PM
More likely its an old pilot who knows how to fly already. Sending up a rookie in one of your helicopters is just calling for it to crash. Would you simply give some verbal instructions to a kid and then put him behind the wheel of a car expecting him to do good?

Normally I would agree, except TV tends to take creative liberties for dramatic purposes and just any old pilot would not have a dramatic effect. And if the rookie pilot has worked through enough verbal/mental excercises inside a helicopter, he just might be able to at least start and get the helicopter in the air. I agree that a rookie would have a high probability of crashing.

I just think that the pilot has to be a bit of a surprise to everyone when he's revealed. I don't think it's someone that hasn't been introduced yet.

The other side is that it is an experienced pilot and he's going to start shooting at them and we get to watch them run for their lives...but given their current exposed situation, the odds of them getting away by running would be slim.

Sp!der
November 30th, 2012, 04:25 AM
Still haven't watched the fall finale episode.... I like this show that much that I find it sad that it went on break untill march.

garhkal
November 30th, 2012, 01:55 PM
Normally I would agree, except TV tends to take creative liberties for dramatic purposes and just any old pilot would not have a dramatic effect. And if the rookie pilot has worked through enough verbal/mental excercises inside a helicopter, he just might be able to at least start and get the helicopter in the air. I agree that a rookie would have a high probability of crashing.

I just think that the pilot has to be a bit of a surprise to everyone when he's revealed. I don't think it's someone that hasn't been introduced yet.

The other side is that it is an experienced pilot and he's going to start shooting at them and we get to watch them run for their lives...but given their current exposed situation, the odds of them getting away by running would be slim.

WEll we do know both Monroe and Miles were both in the mil (army iirc), and they DO have lots of choppers... SO perhaps Monroe is a pilot.

jelgate
November 30th, 2012, 02:02 PM
It can't be Monroe. We see him outside when the helicoptor starts up

hedwig
November 30th, 2012, 04:39 PM
It can't be Monroe. We see him outside when the helicoptor starts up

Maybe he has a clone. :p

ZRFTS
November 30th, 2012, 11:19 PM
Nobody's Fault But Mine
So it's come to this, Revolution's mid-season finale and as expected they put on the high production values and sense that the show is going somewhere, packing in so much stuff in a similar vein to "Enemy at the Gate". It'd be ironic if the title refereed to the show itself but since it doesn't...

There's a sense of accomplishment in that they finally managed to make it to Philly, finally! They're getting Danny back and showing what's what to Monroe! I can understand that some fans would go gilly for this, especially since the show itself has been laying around with plot after plot of them getting into a situation, escaping from it, fighting militia and only 3-4 episodes this season has had some meaningful growth; the show is finally getting somewhere, Monroe has all of the power, it's going to become interesting but it takes a long time for it to get there...

Yes there is some finely shot action to help keep you excited and there are tons of scenes which have sort of a "we're not going to take it" attitude; it's clear and concise without being too energetic and it definately establishes the stakes plus some of the shots resulting from it are beautiful; the settings have long been one of Revolutions pros but inbetween that action lies dialog that is foreboding in it's obviousness that this is a big event, hinting in the form of questioning ("what will you do if you kill Miles?") and character moments that are seemingly obvious in their intentions. (such as getting Aaron to man up.) It would be nice if there was anything that grew the characters but it's as if they were going through the action checklist without action to justify it; we learn nothing new about Monroe, Rachel or even Miles, we do get exploration into their stakes and intentions but this is very minute in terms of the overall big picture.


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Looking towards the future...

That doesn't mean there aren't any good moments here. Nevil manages to seem menacing and warm at the same time elevating his weak material to an unseen level; it didn't matter if he was ruling over Aaron talking about the Google exec stuff. The way that he said and presented it is all the character that he needs, it tells you that he's ruthless but deep down, he's doing this to have a good lifestyle and speaking of Nevil; Miles kidnapping her wife in a hostage situation provided a good setting for both characters to show themselves. It showed Miles determination in getting his friends back and it showed just how much Nevil cares for her wife, even managing to present himself to benefit in the second half of the season and Monroe manages to perform the best scene when he faces Miles and begs for his mercy; the type of compassion that he shows, the way he stumbles with his words, the charisma he presents, it's something that finally justifies his character and justifies the relationship that they had.

But it's severely weighed down by the bad moments such as Charlie who's weak acting is taken to new highs as she achieves several feats; providing an unconvincing performance when being reunited with her mother, Charlie being schmaltzy when with Danny and Charlie providing the most silly look when in a situation of acting. This is supposed to be what the show had been working up to at this point and yet she can't understand the stakes, she can't act as if this was her mother that had left her for years and she can't act as if there was a connection with Danny. Emotion is a big part of everything, it's the core that makes these shows and it's something that makes these shows what they are. They provide the weight, they provide the investment, the soul, the plots in Revolution may of been weak but at least they had some emotion to them with Rachel manages to show by seeming legitimate with her looks, voice and moments. Alas, Charlie ruined the few magical moments this episode had. She really needs to step up.


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Cool but boring.

Adding to that is Monroe v. Miles. The entire thing relies on us assuming that they've been friends and now they're enemies which I think is kind of a cheap way to characterize things mainly because of flashbacks shown. The insistence continues with questions like "What makes Monroe like this, why does he want to take over the world?" and "Why did Miles leave the militia, what did cause them to break up in the first place?" remaining unanswered, which really muddles the plot for me. There wasn't much purpose to their confrontation other than to serve the common good vs. evil fight these shows have, even complete with one of those flashy sword fights that felt like it came straight out of Star Wars Episode III. Having flashbacks which show them together just seems like a potential mindtrick rather than something substantial though the flashbacks were 50/50 for me. To keep forcing this notion is just going to weaken the show because it limits the direction, there is only so much that can be done with the whole former friends thing and "Monroe is evil" thing especially with the direction it's taking. It's fans may like this stuff but really... Wouldn't you rather have Miles explain rather than make a nice family statement that really didn't do anything substantial for his character?

There is certainly some promise for round 2 but there's nothing in this episode that actually serves any other purpose 2; barely anything interesting is shown about the characters, much of the episode is sterile and few questions are answered; what's worse is that the shows magical moments are zapped by some pretty poor decisions, it should be exciting but we have to put up with mainly the poor acting of Charlie who's really becoming a problem now. People will be excited for the future but I really wished there was a better episode that set it up.
2.5/10

escyos
December 1st, 2012, 02:02 AM
Georgia Federation soldiers perhaps?
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the fifth man
December 1st, 2012, 08:42 PM
My wife and I really enjoyed the mid-season finale. We both can't wait to see where things go from here.

Morbo
December 3rd, 2012, 01:31 PM
finally was able to watch the last 2 episodes.
predictable. mildly ok.
they should have killed monroe, and been done with that arc, because he's a terrible villain. and i don't want the whole series (should it come to that) to be able their war with this one guy. they should move off and go someplace else. I'd like to see what's happening around the rest of the country.

it's probably monroe flying the chopper.

i'm actually more interested in how they got the rights to the Zeppelin songs. LZ is notoriously stingy when it comes to letting their music be used like that.

hedwig
December 3rd, 2012, 04:42 PM
finally was able to watch the last 2 episodes.
predictable. mildly ok.
they should have killed monroe, and been done with that arc, because he's a terrible villain. and i don't want the whole series (should it come to that) to be able their war with this one guy. they should move off and go someplace else. I'd like to see what's happening around the rest of the country.

it's probably monroe flying the chopper.

i'm actually more interested in how they got the rights to the Zeppelin songs. LZ is notoriously stingy when it comes to letting their music be used like that.

Unless he has a clone, there's no way it's Monroe flying the helicopter.

Ian-S
December 3rd, 2012, 06:04 PM
Yup he's standing on the water tower (for now).

the fifth man
December 3rd, 2012, 07:26 PM
I will be eagerly awaiting the return of this show after the New Year.

hedwig
December 3rd, 2012, 07:36 PM
I will be eagerly awaiting the return of this show after the New Year.

Which supposedly will be in March. :)

ZRFTS
December 4th, 2012, 11:49 AM
they should have killed monroe, and been done with that arc, because he's a terrible villain. and i don't want the whole series (should it come to that) to be able their war with this one guy.

I have to agree... Monroe has been the ultimate of Darth Vader stereotypes and there's only so much they could pump out of the fact that they're "former friends". The only way it could be salvaged is if they provided a decent explination about the establishment of the militia and how they broke up (I don't buy that Monroe is that evil) but they had their chance in the season finale and they didn't do it.

Besides, how else will they provide tension? Miles is out for Monroe's blood and Nevil's possibly going to take his spot. (in fact, him taking his spot is very interesting mainly due to the fact that he's a better character than Monroe.)


they should move off and go someplace else. I'd like to see what's happening around the rest of the country.
I would to, I would also like to see some people who are able to embrace the technologies of the past and the utilization of science and nature as a whole but since this is basically "Star Wars"; our heroes get prime focus.



i'm actually more interested in how they got the rights to the Zeppelin songs. LZ is notoriously stingy when it comes to letting their music be used like that.

I think I have a idea what happened.

*cue led zeppelin in a room discussing business matters*
LED ZEPPELIN: Okay, so what venues will we utilize for our World Tour.
*we then hear a knock*
LED ZEPPELIN: Who is it.
CHARLIE (in the most direct and unromantic voice possible: It's one of your faithful fans.
*led zeppelin nods, then goes to the door and opens it: reveal charlie in the most ridiculously provocative outfit there is.*
LED ZEPPELIN: Hey there beautiful.
CHARLIE: Hello boys.
*charlie then makes an emotion that's supposed to resemble sexuality but instead resembles constipation.
CHARLIE: Oh you guys are turning me on.
LED ZEPPELIN: Yeah...
*at this point, led zeppelin begin to stand worried. Charlie then approaches one of the band members in the most unsexual way possible.
CHARLIE: I'm going to make you shine you crazy diamond.
LED ZEPPELIN: Uh that's not one of our songs.
CHARLIE: Then what is?
*charlie than unbuttons her tops a bit than does a crazy thing licking her mouth; it's like she's forcing her jaw open, trying with all of her might to move the tongue around; it is crazily stretched out, looking more like a funhouse mirror than a person.*
LED ZEPPELIN: Okay, okay! We give in, we'll let you use our songs.
CHARLIE: But I.
LED ZEPPELIN: Promise us that we'll never see you again.
CHARLIE: But...
LED ZEPPELIN: Please???
*charlie hesitates, than accepts.*
CHARLIE: Okay, I accept.
LED ZEPPELIN: Good, now run along miss.
*charlie leaves, once she leaves the once strong band begins breaking down in tears, crying, sobbing, some even curdling on the ground; they try to reassure themselves but to no avail.*

Sp!der
December 5th, 2012, 12:04 AM
I liked this episode a lot although I was quite disappointed by the so called cliffhanger...but still, I liked it. It will be interesting to see how to show will be if you're watching it without breaks on DVD....

Brother Freyr
December 5th, 2012, 08:50 PM
Monroe's an alright villian, but I wholeheartedly agree with those who say he should have died. It was a good arc. End it.

Remember when Sylar was killed at the end of Heroes season one? Sylar was a great villian, and his death was a perfect end to the season's story. Bringing him back in season two was the worst mistake the show ever made. It was lazy writing. They had plenty of other ideas to mine for new story arcs.

It's easier to continue writing for the same old characters, but it's not always good story-telling. Kill the character. Let a different character fill the vacuum created by the death. Introduce a new personality, or develop an existing one. (Neville would be interesting as new leader of Monroe militia.) Complicate the story. Enrich it. Don't be safe and boring. That's what I'd tell the Revolution writers.

That said, I still enjoy the series and will surely watch it when it returns next year.

Rosehawk
December 5th, 2012, 09:29 PM
The thing with Monroe is that they want to tell the story about how two really close friends, practically brothers, did so much together and now are at opposite ends. While I was expecting them to kill Monroe, after seeing the look in his eye when Miles chose family over him...there is still more to tell with the story and the relationship. Before Monroe truely cared about Miles...now the hatred in his eyes...he's going to be more vicious then ever so while people may want him to die because they think the story is old..it's not, it's just beginning because it's changed....

I for one am looking forward to seeing just how far down Monroe is going to fall to try to kill Miles, which given his style, will most likely be at any costs.

And I can see Neville trying a coup at some point to take over Monroe's empire.

ZRFTS
December 6th, 2012, 01:13 AM
The thing with Monroe is that they want to tell the story about how two really close friends, practically brothers, did so much together and now are at opposite ends. While I was expecting them to kill Monroe, after seeing the look in his eye when Miles chose family over him...there is still more to tell with the story and the relationship. Before Monroe truely cared about Miles...now the hatred in his eyes...he's going to be more vicious then ever so while people may want him to die because they think the story is old..it's not, it's just beginning because it's changed...
The only thing that's changed in my opinion is that they met face to face and now any sort of recollection is off the table.

The main issue with this plot to me is that there's a lack of explanation that gets in the way. Earlier in the season there were flashbacks of them together which hinted that Miles started the Militia, (since he mainly comments on how abused those guys are; Monroe just followed him.) adding to that is the type of stuff Miles did and how he's known as one of the top dogs; heck it seems like his legacy eclipses that of Monroe and you definitely don't get that type of legacy just sitting around.

I don't buy the fact that "Monroe is evil" and I certainly don't buy the whole "assassination" plot, it would be better if Monroe was the main star but since it wasn't it just makes the whole "I should of killed you" thing feel weightless. If there was something regarding the whole position of power thing than yeah, maybe but as it is "Monroe" is the forced villain (though with some concerns regarding electricity) and every attempt to force that down our throats will just lose me; in fact I disliked the flashbacks that they've shown mainly because it forced the contrast while allowing the characters themselves to neglect the explanation aspect of it.

The only thing they could of done to make it work is if Monroe was cautious about the people, not Miles.



I for one am looking forward to seeing just how far down Monroe is going to fall to try to kill Miles, which given his style, will most likely be at any costs.
The most hilarious thing about the second half of the season will be the utilization of the amplifier to kill a group of 4 people according to NBC promos. I mean it's hilarious, he has power that could be utilized to fight off those Georgia Federation guys or further his supposed position as emperor of the former united states (again, some scenes show some concern for his country.) but instead, he's utilizing it as a vendetta.

I imagine he'll be supper pissed that he wasted the power (when he loses it) in a futile attempt to kill them.


And I can see Neville trying a coup at some point to take over Monroe's empire.
This I'm looking forward to. Neville is just a better character than Monroe and to see his type of sinister but devoted personality in the hands of this guy would instantly draw me in.

VampyreWraith
December 6th, 2012, 05:35 AM
The thing with Monroe is that they want to tell the story about how two really close friends, practically brothers, did so much together and now are at opposite ends. While I was expecting them to kill Monroe, after seeing the look in his eye when Miles chose family over him...there is still more to tell with the story and the relationship. Before Monroe truely cared about Miles...now the hatred in his eyes...he's going to be more vicious then ever so while people may want him to die because they think the story is old..it's not, it's just beginning because it's changed....

I for one am looking forward to seeing just how far down Monroe is going to fall to try to kill Miles, which given his style, will most likely be at any costs.

And I can see Neville trying a coup at some point to take over Monroe's empire.

I like the Monroe/Miles dynamic and their story; I find it interesting. I agree that there still is more story to tell. The first season isn't even over yet, so it would have been too soon to kill off Monroe(imo).


I don't think Monroe is evil(or that he's supposed to be evil). He's a villian, but villians don't necessarily have to be evil. I like villians that I can kind of feel sympathy for(and I do feel kind of bad for Monroe). He's gone a bit insane, moreso after Miles left him, and I also think he'll be even more dangerous/unhinged during the second half of the season(since Miles rejected him/tried to kill him again). I think that will be, what causes Neville to take his wife's advice, and try to overthrow Monroe. I like Neville as well, so I'm looking forward to seeing how that all plays out(however it plays out).

I'm also looking forward to seeing more of Randall(?) and Grace. I think they really need to do more with that part of the story. It feels too much in the backround.

garhkal
December 6th, 2012, 01:28 PM
We know Miles and monroe started the militia together, and hek miles was even one of the commanding generals of it for a time. All i can think of is that maybe he started seeing too much of the power corrupting monroe so left.

ZRFTS
December 6th, 2012, 11:09 PM
We know Miles and monroe started the militia together, and hek miles was even one of the commanding generals of it for a time. All i can think of is that maybe he started seeing too much of the power corrupting monroe so left.

But that doesn't explain the cruel things he's done; things such as separating parents from their children and oppressing the masses. If he was pure then why would he do the same evil stuff that Monroe was doing?

Again, all things could of been resolved had Monroe started the Militia and Miles been second in command to him.

escyos
December 7th, 2012, 12:13 AM
I have to agree... Monroe has been the ultimate of Darth Vader stereotypes and there's only so much they could pump out of the fact that they're "former friends". The only way it could be salvaged is if they provided a decent explination about the establishment of the militia and how they broke up (I don't buy that Monroe is that evil) but they had their chance in the season finale and they didn't do it.

Besides, how else will they provide tension? Miles is out for Monroe's blood and Nevil's possibly going to take his spot. (in fact, him taking his spot is very interesting mainly due to the fact that he's a better character than Monroe.)


I would to, I would also like to see some people who are able to embrace the technologies of the past and the utilization of science and nature as a whole but since this is basically "Star Wars"; our heroes get prime focus.



I think I have a idea what happened.

*cue led zeppelin in a room discussing business matters*
LED ZEPPELIN: Okay, so what venues will we utilize for our World Tour.
*we then hear a knock*
LED ZEPPELIN: Who is it.
CHARLIE (in the most direct and unromantic voice possible: It's one of your faithful fans.
*led zeppelin nods, then goes to the door and opens it: reveal charlie in the most ridiculously provocative outfit there is.*
LED ZEPPELIN: Hey there beautiful.
CHARLIE: Hello boys.
*charlie then makes an emotion that's supposed to resemble sexuality but instead resembles constipation.
CHARLIE: Oh you guys are turning me on.
LED ZEPPELIN: Yeah...
*at this point, led zeppelin begin to stand worried. Charlie then approaches one of the band members in the most unsexual way possible.
CHARLIE: I'm going to make you shine you crazy diamond.
LED ZEPPELIN: Uh that's not one of our songs.
CHARLIE: Then what is?
*charlie than unbuttons her tops a bit than does a crazy thing licking her mouth; it's like she's forcing her jaw open, trying with all of her might to move the tongue around; it is crazily stretched out, looking more like a funhouse mirror than a person.*
LED ZEPPELIN: Okay, okay! We give in, we'll let you use our songs.
CHARLIE: But I.
LED ZEPPELIN: Promise us that we'll never see you again.
CHARLIE: But...
LED ZEPPELIN: Please???
*charlie hesitates, than accepts.*
CHARLIE: Okay, I accept.
LED ZEPPELIN: Good, now run along miss.
*charlie leaves, once she leaves the once strong band begins breaking down in tears, crying, sobbing, some even curdling on the ground; they try to reassure themselves but to no avail.*

That came across as INCREDIBLY sexist and, although I am male, incredibly offensive.

VampyreWraith
December 7th, 2012, 04:45 AM
Miles had good intentions when he founded the militia. They(Miles and Monroe) both had good intentions. Miles admits that things went too far though, that he was tired of all the blood. Some of the bad things they did might have been necessary(especially at first) to gain control and keep it; but they ended up going too far. They became oppressive military dictators. Having Miles be the one who started it all, makes it more tragic for both characters, especially Monroe, since he was only following Miles' lead at first.

ZRFTS
December 7th, 2012, 02:29 PM
Miles had good intentions when he founded the militia. They(Miles and Monroe) both had good intentions. Miles admits that things went too far though, that he was tired of all the blood. Some of the bad things they did might have been necessary(especially at first) to gain control and keep it; but they ended up going too far. They became oppressive military dictators.
This I can agree with, there's definitely something to being changed so radically that you forget who you are. They really should of mentioned that in the mid-season finale instead of the "family" speech.


Having Miles be the one who started it all, makes it more tragic for both characters, especially Monroe, since he was only following Miles' lead at first.
This has me thinking; if he did assassinate Monroe then wouldn't someone else take his place; someone like Neville. They both layed the foundation for the Militia but that doesn't mean they can't kill it by chopping off it's head, someone else will just come along to replace it.

Additionally, it would of come up with a new character dynamic for Miles, him regretting the death of Monroe mainly because it thought it would dissolve the Militia; that would of made him more ruthless and given more justification towards the hatred of the "villain".

VampyreWraith
December 8th, 2012, 07:20 AM
This I can agree with, there's definitely something to being changed so radically that you forget who you are. They really should of mentioned that in the mid-season finale instead of the "family" speech.
I think Miles mentions something like that during his hallucination in Kashmir, but yeah, it probably would have been better to mention it during the actual confrontation with Monroe in the mid-season finale. I think he only says that Monroe isn't the same person he used to be.
I don't know if Miles acutually wanted to kill Monroe during their confrontation; I think he still cares for him no matter what he said, or else he would have just shot him instead of saying things to provoke him. I think Miles would only kill Monroe if he's absolutely forced too.



This has me thinking; if he did assassinate Monroe then wouldn't someone else take his place; someone like Neville. They both layed the foundation for the Militia but that doesn't mean they can't kill it by chopping off it's head, someone else will just come along to replace it.

Additionally, it would of come up with a new character dynamic for Miles, him regretting the death of Monroe mainly because it thought it would dissolve the Militia; that would of made him more ruthless and given more justification towards the hatred of the "villain".

True; though I don't know if Miles thinks that killing Monroe would dissolve the militia, but he might not have thought things through, so he could think that. He might have wanted to take it over himself, or he might have thought that whoever ended up taking over would be better than Monroe.
I think it might also be intersting if Neville is the one who ends up killing Monroe. Either way Neville would make a good villain.

Morbo
December 9th, 2012, 06:54 AM
Unless he has a clone, there's no way it's Monroe flying the helicopter.


Yup he's standing on the water tower (for now).

in my view, the events weren't happening concurrently. after miles and monroe had their lover's quarrel, and miles and gang were running away, monroe was stumbling upstairs. he looks down at the bunch of choppers. all during this time, our valiant group is running through the many twists and turns it takes to exit stage left. they didn't run out in less than a minute.
so by the time they exit and are running through the field, monroe has descended and is in the chopper taking off.
i don't recall seeing anyone down in the area with the helicopters, so it's not like he could just start barking orders, besides, how would he communicate what he wanted the pilot to do? he doesn't have a radio to tell them. so either way he would have had to go down.


The thing with Monroe is that they want to tell the story about how two really close friends, practically brothers, did so much together and now are at opposite ends.

the thing is - who cares? we know a general idea of what happened. its run it's course, now lets move on. and every time monroe is on screen i cringe because he's horribly written and horribly acted.
it's like in the first star wars movie, obi wan tells luke about what happened between him and anakin. it's not something that's fleshed out in uber-detail. then at the end, obi and vader have their reunion, and it ends. the end. the story moves on.

this is a world where so much could be explored. JUST like on Terra Nova. But, they're concentrating on stupid character sub-stories that no one really cares about. Terra Nova promised Dinosaurs, and didn't deliver. It got canned. Rightly so. Revolution promised a future where humans are learning to live all over again, and the struggles that go with it - and that somewhere, someone, might be able to turn the lights back on. I don't care about friends being at odds with each other.

mr_kennedy
December 18th, 2012, 10:32 PM
I'm finally caught up, i really enjoyed the last episode probably the best episode of the series to date :)



Miles had good intentions when he founded the militia. They(Miles and Monroe) both had good intentions. Miles admits that things went too far though, that he was tired of all the blood. Some of the bad things they did might have been necessary(especially at first) to gain control and keep it; but they ended up going too far. They became oppressive military dictators. Having Miles be the one who started it all, makes it more tragic for both characters, especially Monroe, since he was only following Miles' lead at first.

I see there confrontation a little differently, i believe that Munroe was following Miles at first but when things escalated Munroe took over

Both Miles and Munroe may have had good intention at the start but Munroe "took it to far" don't they say the road to hell is paved with good intentions?


Monroe's an alright villian, but I wholeheartedly agree with those who say he should have died. It was a good arc. End it.

Remember when Sylar was killed at the end of Heroes season one? Sylar was a great villian, and his death was a perfect end to the season's story. Bringing him back in season two was the worst mistake the show ever made. It was lazy writing. They had plenty of other ideas to mine for new story arcs.

That may be true, plus if they really wanted Sylar back Heroes was a Sci fi (kinda) show if they really wanted him back they coulda resurrected him in s3 and threw in a big mystery as to whodunit :p i do agree his involvement in s2 was unnecessary


Monroe's an alright villian, but I wholeheartedly agree with those who say he should have died. It was a good arc. End it.

It's easier to continue writing for the same old characters, but it's not always good story-telling. Kill the character. Let a different character fill the vacuum created by the death. Introduce a new personality, or develop an existing one. (Neville would be interesting as new leader of Monroe militia.) Complicate the story. Enrich it. Don't be safe and boring. That's what I'd tell the Revolution writers.

That said, I still enjoy the series and will surely watch it when it returns next year.

Maybe a power struggle between Neville & Baker would have been cool

Gus Fring & Lucifer locked in a power struggle :lol:

the fifth man
December 19th, 2012, 08:52 PM
My wife and I can't wait for this show to return in the New Year.

Gem of Tigress
December 28th, 2012, 08:37 AM
Can't wait for it to come back either :D. at first I didn't think I would like the show, but it hooked me :)
the guy who plays Neville was also a bad guy in Leverage, so I knew he was going to be really bad right from the start. hmmm, wonder if he'll follow his wife's advice and kill Monroe just so he can be in charge?

Spimman
December 28th, 2012, 12:15 PM
wonder if he'll follow his wife's advice and kill Monroe just so he can be in charge?

I think they have been building towards that. We know his wife, his defiant son, we know him better than Monroe and now he has taken a dark turn so it makes sense...maybe that'll be the season finale.

Dumper
December 28th, 2012, 01:04 PM
Finally it's coming the the UK in February on Sky1.

the fifth man
December 29th, 2012, 07:05 PM
Finally it's coming the the UK in February on Sky1.

I hope you end up enjoying it as much as I have thus far.

Dumper
December 30th, 2012, 01:17 PM
I hope you end up enjoying it as much as I have thus far.

Me too, it looks interesting. I'll certainly tune in.

garhkal
January 3rd, 2013, 01:48 PM
hmmm, wonder if he'll follow his wife's advice and kill Monroe just so he can be in charge?

With her insistance of doing so, she reminds me of "lord vago's wife" from Chronicles of Riddick.

the fifth man
January 4th, 2013, 08:00 PM
With her insistance of doing so, she reminds me of "lord vago's wife" from Chronicles of Riddick.

An interesting comparison.

jelgate
January 6th, 2013, 05:10 PM
NBC at TCA: "Deception" and "Revolution" Get Reduced Orders


As for "Revolution," Greenblatt made an off-handed remark during the executive session to "the last 10 episodes" of the season left to air. Said number would put the season total at 20 episodes, two shy of the traditional full season order of 22. A spokesperson subsequently confirmed to me that there are indeed 10 episodes left to air.


http://thefutoncritic.com/news/2013/01/06/nbc-at-tca-deception-and-revolution-get-reduced-orders-554213/10141/#AyVfgSViFHhT0kwS.99

Sp!der
January 8th, 2013, 12:05 AM
I really hope we will get a season two ! I already miss the show and discuss about it, usually how bad it is but still, it is being discussed. Every show has its failure and sure revolution is full of them but still it is pure fun at least IMO.p and it hasn't reached its potential... I have to say, I have slightly expected something different than we got from the first ten episodes but I still have faith that they will improve the next ten episodes and hopefully find its foot in season two if it gets a chance.

jelgate
January 8th, 2013, 07:10 AM
As a person who looks at the numbers I think a renewal is fairly certain

jelgate
January 8th, 2013, 07:10 AM
As a person who looks at the numbers I think a renewal is fairly certain

Mrja84
January 8th, 2013, 10:55 AM
As someone who saw all the episodes, I still wouldn't care if this show did not come back. It had a great concept and I like the characters, but I feel that some things just haven't grabbed my imagination as it did in the pilot and second episode. It's been a long dragged out adventure to get to where we are and I just hope that changes.

garhkal
January 9th, 2013, 02:14 PM
An interesting comparison.

Thanks.. Though having a coniving wife, egg you on to greater power is not new..

Ian-S
January 9th, 2013, 03:18 PM
Behind every good man stands his wife nagging.

the fifth man
January 10th, 2013, 07:52 PM
Behind every good man stands his wife nagging.

Indeed!:D

the fifth man
January 10th, 2013, 07:53 PM
As a person who looks at the numbers I think a renewal is fairly certain

I sure hope that is the case. We shall see.

Morbo
January 12th, 2013, 06:04 AM
As someone who saw all the episodes, I still wouldn't care if this show did not come back. It had a great concept and I like the characters, but I feel that some things just haven't grabbed my imagination as it did in the pilot and second episode. It's been a long dragged out adventure to get to where we are and I just hope that changes.

yup. i said that about 2 months ago.

but, i don't really like the characters - especially charlie. shes as insufferable as sookie on true blood.
i like miles, and i like the tubby nerd guy whose name i can't remember. other than that, i think all of the other characters are cliche, predictable, poorly written, and one dimensional.

like i've said - they're making the same exact mistake as FOX did with terra nova: making it all mushy about characters. WHO CARES. People tuned in to the show because it was about this crazy electrical sucking catastrophe and we want to see how they are surviving and making their way through the world. Just like terra nova should have been about, you know, dinosaurs. If people want to watch a show about family, with well developed characters and interpersonal relationships, they will go watch Parenthood, or Revenge or something. But this is Revolution. I don't care about the characters. I care about the situation and the state of the world with no power. SHOW ME THAT STORY.

escyos
January 12th, 2013, 06:21 PM
yup. i said that about 2 months ago.

but, i don't really like the characters - especially charlie. shes as insufferable as sookie on true blood.
i like miles, and i like the tubby nerd guy whose name i can't remember. other than that, i think all of the other characters are cliche, predictable, poorly written, and one dimensional.

like i've said - they're making the same exact mistake as FOX did with terra nova: making it all mushy about characters. WHO CARES. People tuned in to the show because it was about this crazy electrical sucking catastrophe and we want to see how they are surviving and making their way through the world. Just like terra nova should have been about, you know, dinosaurs. If people want to watch a show about family, with well developed characters and interpersonal relationships, they will go watch Parenthood, or Revenge or something. But this is Revolution. I don't care about the characters. I care about the situation and the state of the world with no power. SHOW ME THAT STORY.

Umm you just said they are one-dimensional and then got up the show about being more character driven. So you hate getting too little and too much info about a character?

Morbo
January 13th, 2013, 06:52 AM
Umm you just said they are one-dimensional and then got up the show about being more character driven. So you hate getting too little and too much info about a character?

What I mean is most of the characters are terrible, and the show is character driven around these terrible characters, instead of focusing on the larger situation at hand: the state of the world and its people at large given this catastrophe.

Mrja84
January 16th, 2013, 06:19 AM
What I mean is most of the characters are terrible, and the show is character driven around these terrible characters, instead of focusing on the larger situation at hand: the state of the world and its people at large given this catastrophe.

I actually like Charlie and hate Miles. I mean, the whole "The militia are tough soldiers cause I trained them....because I am a badass so they are badasses too". What kind of BS is that?

On Supernatural, Kripke didn't have characters too big for their britches without later slapping them down. Why does Miles get away with being a cliche of an action hero?

Charlie at least has changed much more than Miles has over the course of the season. She's much more level-headed and willing to kill than when she started. The only thing I dislike is the whole "romance" with the militia boy. That started way too soon and without any build or chemistry (see Stargate Universe's Chloe and Scott).

Then for the finale we get Monroe in a helicopter in the most over-the-top ending possible. It just seems like some scenes don't match up with what happens later. And Kripke did a much better job in Supernatural's first season then all of this.

Morbo
January 16th, 2013, 02:08 PM
to be honest, i wouldn't mind if the season came back with monroe mowing them all down with the machine gun, and then starting the back half of the season following completely different/new character someplace else in the world.

the fifth man
January 16th, 2013, 07:53 PM
to be honest, i wouldn't mind if the season came back with monroe mowing them all down with the machine gun, and then starting the back half of the season following completely different/new character someplace else in the world.

Don't get your hopes up of that happening.

escyos
February 26th, 2013, 05:49 AM
The first Revolution webisode, you can only view if your in the U.S. (unless you do some fancy proxy work)


www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHkXG1x5tBY

garhkal
February 26th, 2013, 12:02 PM
Didn't look like that webisode revealed much.

the fifth man
February 26th, 2013, 09:37 PM
I really can't wait for this show to come back. The wife and I miss it.

Morbo
February 27th, 2013, 02:06 PM
forgot this show even existed.
when does it come back?

hedwig
February 27th, 2013, 03:40 PM
forgot this show even existed.
when does it come back?

Next month.

LtColCarter
February 28th, 2013, 06:32 AM
What's the deal with the extended break that the show took? I like the show, but taking a break like this isn't good in the middle of its first season.

Perelandra
February 28th, 2013, 07:32 AM
I'm looking forward to it's return, too. I hope it doesn't conflict with Dallas, which is also on Monday nights but I guess I can watch one of them on the internet(I don't have a DVR)I think TNT puts up their shows the next day.

VampyreWraith
February 28th, 2013, 08:09 AM
What's the deal with the extended break that the show took? I like the show, but taking a break like this isn't good in the middle of its first season.

It's the way NBC scheduled it's shows this year. The only other NBC show I watch is Grimm, and it went on a long break too. So did The Voice; I think that show comes back at the same time as Revolution. I like the show as well, so hopefully it's ratings won't be affected too much by the break.
I'm glad this show is coming back from hiatus soon, I miss it.

LtColCarter
February 28th, 2013, 08:16 AM
It's the way NBC scheduled it's shows this year. The only other NBC show I watch is Grimm, and it went on a long break too. So did The Voice; I think that show comes back at the same time as Revolution. I like the show as well, so hopefully it's ratings won't be affected too much by the break.
I'm glad this show is coming back from hiatus soon, I miss it.

I'm glad that Law & Order: SVU and Chicago Fire didn't do that....

Gate Ranger
February 28th, 2013, 02:20 PM
Next month.

Any idea when next month? I really enjoy this show. :)

VampyreWraith
February 28th, 2013, 02:21 PM
It comes back March 25.

Morbo
February 28th, 2013, 04:58 PM
What's the deal with the extended break that the show took? I like the show, but taking a break like this isn't good in the middle of its first season.

you must be new to NBC's take on television seasons.

See: Eureka, Battlestar Galactica, Stargate, or basically any other show on Sci-Fi/Syfy, and now their regular network as well.

LtColCarter
March 1st, 2013, 06:09 AM
you must be new to NBC's take on television seasons.

See: Eureka, Battlestar Galactica, Stargate, or basically any other show on Sci-Fi/Syfy, and now their regular network as well.

I'm not talking about SyFy (and yes I know its owned by NBC). Their regular network shows have never done this before, and it doesn't make sense to do it. Additionally Alphas and Warehouse 13 don't take ridiculous breaks.

Dumper
March 1st, 2013, 04:20 PM
Wasn't Revolution's season extended from 13 episodes to 22? Those episodes need to be written and filmed so maybe that is why there was a break.

LtColCarter
March 5th, 2013, 06:23 AM
Wasn't Revolution's season extended from 13 episodes to 22? Those episodes need to be written and filmed so maybe that is why there was a break.

That, I'm not certain of. However, with a little digging...I'm sure I could find out.

*edit* found nothing. Only people saying that this break may spell the death of the show.

jelgate
March 5th, 2013, 08:00 AM
People overreacting. Some things never get old

Gate Ranger
March 5th, 2013, 01:12 PM
It comes back March 25.

Thanks. :D

Dumper
March 5th, 2013, 01:53 PM
That, I'm not certain of. However, with a little digging...I'm sure I could find out.

*edit* found nothing. Only people saying that this break may spell the death of the show.

I found a link at blastr.

http://www.blastr.com/2012/10/looks-like-well-be-gettin.php

the fifth man
March 5th, 2013, 09:05 PM
It comes back March 25.

I eagerly await its return.

LtColCarter
March 6th, 2013, 07:48 AM
I found a link at blastr.

http://www.blastr.com/2012/10/looks-like-well-be-gettin.php

Excellent! :D Guess you dug a little deeper than me.

Angela V
March 9th, 2013, 09:04 AM
I really do hope the long break doesn't kill the show. I watch it with my son and he's really into it. I roll my eyes sometimes but then maybe it's my age. :D I still like it though.

Sp!der
March 10th, 2013, 10:14 AM
I have to say, I re-watched the first 10 Episodes, mostly all of them except for 7-9 and I have to say that I am not that quite excited for this show anymore than I used to be at the beginning - I know, I used to promote this show and thought that it was awesome, actually I wanted it to be awesome, I don't like it that much as I wanted and it has not the same affect on me that Lost or Fringe had on me but I still haven't give up on this show and will continue watch it for at least the next ten episodes and see how season 2 ( hopefully ) will turn out - but the verdict is, that I like Arrow much much more than Revolution these days. How about you ?

escyos
March 18th, 2013, 12:03 AM
A week and a bit to go, then we finally get to start the second half!!!

LtColCarter
March 18th, 2013, 07:25 AM
A week and a bit to go, then we finally get to start the second half!!!

Can't wait! :-D

the fifth man
March 19th, 2013, 07:26 PM
Can't wait! :-D

Neither can my wife and I. Should be pretty sweet.

garhkal
March 21st, 2013, 02:43 PM
I'm stoked too.. Though i am wondering if the move to friday will be worth it.

jelgate
March 21st, 2013, 05:05 PM
What are you taking about? Revolution is on Mondays

Linda06
March 22nd, 2013, 04:16 PM
Don't know if you know, Revolution starts in the UK on 29th March.

LtColCarter
March 23rd, 2013, 06:40 AM
Has anyone heard if this show has been given a 2nd season yet?

VampyreWraith
March 25th, 2013, 11:22 AM
No news on a Season 2 yet, but if the second half of the season does as well (or almost as well) as the first half, it should definitely get renewed.

I'm really looking forward to the new episode tonight. :)

jelgate
March 25th, 2013, 01:34 PM
The majority of primetime TV shows don't get renewed or cancelled until May at the UpFront presentations

Rosehawk
March 25th, 2013, 06:55 PM
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! Not that person!!!!!!!

Loved the episode tonight!!!!!!

Perelandra
March 26th, 2013, 06:49 AM
Rosehawk I share your sentiment!! Last nights ep started out with a bang. I would post more detail but for some reason I have again lost the ability to manually type in spoiler tags-when I re-figure it out I will go into more detail. Will have to say things are getting a lot more interesting now

VampyreWraith
March 26th, 2013, 09:46 AM
^ spoilery stuff here [ /spoiler] without the spaces :)

I really liked last night's episode. :)
[spoiler]From the previews and a few interviews I'd read, I knew that someone was going to die. I actually didn't mind that it ended up being Danny; mostly because I like all the characters(other than Charlie) more than Danny. Personally, I thought he was the weakest/least developed out of all the characters(and actors), and I knew they would never kill off Charlie. I was worried that the might kill Aaron, since he didn't really have a real reason for staying around once they found Danny; but once they started with the poor Danny flashbacks, I figured he would be the one to die. It was sad, I felt bad for Rachel(especially), but it made things really personal for everyone.
I'm glad they spent some time on the Randall and Grace part of the story, and that it's more connected to what the main group is doing. It seemed too off to the side before. I liked that Randall went to see Monroe. I hope we find out more about Randall and what exactly his plans are soon.

LtColCarter
March 26th, 2013, 09:50 AM
Enjoyed last night's episode. Was a little frustrated with the death of Danny given that they went through so much to rescue him.

Gollumpus
March 26th, 2013, 05:31 PM
Enjoyed last night's episode. Was a little frustrated with the death of Danny given that they went through so much to rescue him.

It adds to the pain and feelings of futility the characters will have to overcome if Danny was the one to die. I can't say that I really cared all that much that the character was killed off. I felt a good deal more put out when Maggie Foster was killed off after only four episodes.


I gotta admit that this show still isn't doing it for me.

I am giving it the old college try, however, the rather bland characters are over-riding anything interesting we are seeing in world development. About the only thing that is of moderate interest to me for next week's episode is whether or not the wardrobe department is on the ball and Charlie gets a new coat or if she is still dressed in the one she's had since the show started, minus all of Danny's blood.

I've found Aaron Pittman to be an interesting character (most of the time), and the Maggie Foster character has an interesting back-story and it would have been interesting to see where they could have gone with her. By far the most interesting character on the show is Tom Neville. If he were ever to leave then they may as well end the series.

Otherwise, hope you guys continue to enjoy the series. :)


regards,
G.

ZRFTS
March 26th, 2013, 06:10 PM
The Stand

Well it's finally here. Round 2 of Revolution and as all rounds go, this one seems to be interesting in that the series is finally getting interesting; Monroe has power, the gang is back. Round 2 is when shows usually find their footing, when they fix the misgivings of Round 1. I'm guessing the question everybody will be asking is this, has the series improved at all?

Well somewhat, but not to the point that you're expecting.

First off, many of the things you wanted from Revolution are finally here. You want less Charlie? you got it! More purpose? you got it! Emotion, better character reactions, something actually happening? You got that as well. When you first start off the episode, you see tons of things; you see explosions, you see characters betraying other characters and you see previously minor characters start to gain major exposure. Flynn the military guy, Rachel the mother of the two, and a certain surprise in the end that will have viewers hooked. It seems like Revolution has finally understood that in order to keep an audience, it has to introduce things viewers will question and things that'll lead to better plots in the future.


http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/7540/revolutionwegotpower.jpg
We got power!

One of the things they did well was showcase how powerful the Monroe Republic could be with power, it's like they have the ability to dominate the entire world and that is shown well throughout the entirety of the episode. Those helicopters provide a sort of hecticness that engages people in the action, that really gets the blood pumping; will they be able to escape the grasping hand of the Monroe republic? Another thing they did well was pair up Rachel with Miles. Rachel has a better ability to emote and pairing her with Miles allows him to bring out that rugged side; he seems more heroic, less suspectable and is actually quite an enjoyable guy. Though his lining reading may suck and his overall purpose may remain the same, the better attribute of Miles makes him slightly tolerable.

It's certainly an episode that says "we're here and we're not going to take it anymore" but somehow the regular elements of Revolution manage to bring the episode down which means poor Charlie acting, overemphasis on the lines and tons of illogic. For example; the Monroe Republic has power. Now that could be something that'd span an entire season (just imagine the group as rebels fleeing from them) but instead it's something that spans one episode after months of buildup and promise, I can understand not making anybody that powerful but putting your entire victory into one or two helicopters? Don't you know someone could shoot you down? If I were running the Monroe republic, I wouldn't have the amplifer on the helicopter mostly every time; I would just park the helicopter somewhere and have that other helicopter in the air for them to mow down enemies. Alas, this type of thing is just something Revolution never learns from.


http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/5374/revolutionfutureimporta.jpg
Someone of future importance.

The main problem is that there isn't much of a reason to care about what happens; while the show has finished off the plot of finding Danny, it left a gaping hole in what can be used to motivate the characters until the next episode and much of the episode is of course a journey from everybody united to finding the next character motivation; there isn't much to the action inbetween, we don't get much of an investment with the rebels other than the fact that their the target of the Monroe Republic and despite the fact that they have power, it doesn't manage to make the Monroe Republic feel interesting, the scenes with Monroe and Nevil are as boring as ever with Nevil managing to outact anybody in his vicinity almost every time; this affects the buildup to the scenes where future players appear and it definitely effects the impact of which future events will have.

Still, one has to admire how much this episode sets up and one has to admire the brief good moments this episode has. Even though we lose a main character, we get something in return in the form of a mystery which will likely span a season; we have the intrigue of this Rachel character which will have us forming the daily ritual of turning on the TV screen and we even have Flynn... The action was well presented and certainly had impact, every gunshot had the feel and impact of regular gunshots and they made the showoff at the rebel camp much more interesting, plus they even have a small bit of humor in the beginning of the episode as they try to get out of Pennsylvania and even through there might be two flashbacks, it defiantly has emotion and it's focus on life and death is relatable to say the least.

So it's not truly terrible but it's not truly good either. It seems to have learned a couple of lessons during that month long hiatus and those lessons are put to good use here but it still has many of the detractors that made Revolution a mockery last year and it seems like there's going to be a battle between the good parts of the show and the bad parts of the show as time goes on.

5.0/10

jelgate
March 26th, 2013, 06:19 PM
I was busy last night and was going to watch Revolution on the Internet. Apparently NBC doesn't want to stream the episode. Would anyone mind telling me what happened in this episode? Spoilers don't bother me. Thank you in advance

VampyreWraith
March 26th, 2013, 07:42 PM
Episode summary. I might have forgotten some stuff.

-They run away from the helicopter into an empty restaurant. The helicopter blows up the building. They hid in the walk-in refrigerator so they escaped the explosion.
-Miles, Aaron, Rachel and Danny hide in coffins to get past a checkpoint. Nora and Charlie are up front dressed in militia uniforms driving the wagon. Charlie shows her Monroe brand. The militia guy still wants to check the coffins. They open one up, there's a dead body in it.
- Monroe sends helicopters to blow up a rebel camp nearby.
- Aaron thinks they should all just go home since they'd found Danny. Rachel says that Monroe would take over everything if they didn't stop him and she was responsible for it.
- Rachel decides she needs to see an old friend about getting a pendant and high powered weapons. Miles won't let her go alone, so he says he's going with her.
- Nora says she needs to get to Annapolis and warn the rebels there. Charlie, Danny and Aaron go with her.
- On the road Miles tries to apologize to Rachel for everything that happened to her. He says Monroe showed him a body. He says he would have never left if he knew she was alive. He got really close to her, Rachel tells him firmly to step back.
- Rachel and Miles go to her friend's house. Rachel asks her friend if he'd heard from Grace or any of their other friends. He says no , that no one is answering their computers.
- He takes them into the basement were he's got all kind of weapons and a pendant. He says that he knows why Grace and the others aren't answering, Randall got to them. Randall got to him too. He uses some kind of sonic weapon he made to knock them out. He ties them to a chair. Miles gets free and beats up Rachel's friend. They take the pendant and some kind of rocket launcher.
- Back in Annapolis Nora meets up with her rebel friends. Neville and Jason see them and the rebel camp. Neville says he's going to ride back to Monroe to order an air strike. Jason doesn't like the idea of killing all those people. Neville knocks him down and tells him to never go home again.
- When Neville gets back to Monroe he tells him about the rebel base and he tells Monroe that Jason was killed.
-Jason finds Charlie and tells her that they have about 12 hrs until the helicopters arrive.
- Randall orders Grace to get an elevator working. He says he's going out, and that it had better be working by the time he gets back. He leaves her with some guy that Grace considers an animal. Randall drives over to see Monroe and offers to help him.
- Throughout the episode Rachel and Charlie have been having flashbacks about Danny. Rachel remembers some experimental medical procedure that Danny had when he was little. Charlie remembers Danny having an asthma attack when they were kids, and taking care of him.
- Nora, Charlie, Danny and Aaron are getting ready for the militia attack. They're hoping Miles and Rachel get to them in time. Charlie wants Danny to stay inside and help with any wounded. Danny refuses. He wants to fight.
- Helicopters arrive; they start shooting; people start dying, Miles and Rachel arrive in a jeep. Miles gets out, preps the rocket launcher, and is about to shoot down the helicopter that they think the amplifier is on, when something explodes by him, knocking him down and knocking the rocket launcher out of his hand.
-Miles is dazed everyone is around him seeing if he's ok. The helicopters are still firing at the rebels. Danny picks up the rocket launcher and shoots down the helicopter with the amplifier. The other helicopter starts to fall out of the sky, but not before firing at Danny. Danny gets shot multiple times and ends up dying.
- Rachel blames herself. She says she should have never left Danny. She wants to kill Monroe.
- Rachel is crying over Danny's body. She takes out a knife, cuts Danny open, and takes out what kind of looks like a little blinking light bulb.

jelgate
March 27th, 2013, 05:09 AM
I understand. Back when SGU was on I would write reviews based on the episode. It was amazing the things I would forget after the episode. Thank you. It looks like it took you some time to write that.

VampyreWraith
March 27th, 2013, 06:41 AM
You're welcome :) Yeah, it can be hard to remember everything that goes on sometimes, especially when there is a lot going on. There was some stuff that I left out because I couldn't remember if it was mentioned during the episode, or if it was in the preview for upcoming episodes. A tower was mentioned that Randall had access to; Rachel wants to get access to that tower because it's important. Oh, and I think I may have misremembered Miles and Rachel driving in on a jeep, because that doesn't really make sense, now that I'm thinking about it lol.
Hopefully the episode gets put online soon so you get a chance to watch it. :)

Perelandra
March 27th, 2013, 05:33 PM
^ spoilery stuff here [ /spoiler] without the spaces :)

I really liked last night's episode. :)
[spoiler]From the previews and a few interviews I'd read, I knew that someone was going to die. I actually didn't mind that it ended up being Danny; mostly because I like all the characters(other than Charlie) more than Danny. Personally, I thought he was the weakest/least developed out of all the characters(and actors), and I knew they would never kill off Charlie. I was worried that the might kill Aaron, since he didn't really have a real reason for staying around once they found Danny; but once they started with the poor Danny flashbacks, I figured he would be the one to die. It was sad, I felt bad for Rachel(especially), but it made things really personal for everyone.
I'm glad they spent some time on the Randall and Grace part of the story, and that it's more connected to what the main group is doing. It seemed too off to the side before. I liked that Randall went to see Monroe. I hope we find out more about Randall and what exactly his plans are soon.

Thank you! I was doing it OK for awhile and then it wasn't working for me-I don't post that much and I'm a bit computer challenged.

Sp!der
March 28th, 2013, 12:20 AM
It was an improvement. I liked the first half of the season obviously more than most of you guys although I too have issues with this show I like where the second half seems to move although I still prefer arrow over revolution, I am curious on how things will develop these days.

ZRFTS
March 28th, 2013, 01:16 AM
I like where the second half seems to move.

I have to agree, at least it's giving our characters a platform on which they can hopefully make a difference.

Sp!der
March 28th, 2013, 01:27 AM
I have to agree, at least it's giving our characters a platform on which they can hopefully make a difference.

true.

VampyreWraith
March 28th, 2013, 08:37 AM
Thank you! I was doing it OK for awhile and then it wasn't working for me-I don't post that much and I'm a bit computer challenged.

You're welcome. :)

Starfist
March 28th, 2013, 09:10 AM
Greetings all,
This show starts to air on Sky 1 here in the UK tomorrow night at 2100 with a double dose of episodes.

I've set my Sky + box to remind me it's on. But the question is is the show worth watching?
As I am going in cold.

Morbo
March 29th, 2013, 03:03 PM
episode was decent. glad there's an opening for anything to happen now (kinda) becasue they aren't still trying to get danny anymore.

still hoping it improves.

Perelandra
March 30th, 2013, 07:51 AM
Greetings all,
This show starts to air on Sky 1 here in the UK tomorrow night at 2100 with a double dose of episodes.

I've set my Sky + box to remind me it's on. But the question is is the show worth watching?
As I am going in cold.

I think it is! Not my altime favorite show but better than a lot of stuff(most) on TV, IMO

Starfist
March 30th, 2013, 10:27 AM
I've set my Sky+ box to record the repeat showings.

But what I've seen has more twists and turns than a plate of pasta... :D
Am I right in guessing that we'll learn more about what happend in flashbacks...?

Ian-S
March 31st, 2013, 06:59 PM
Yes and yes, it's a far better alternative than watching most of what's on our TV, so if you're prepared to let a few things slip, it's worth it.

Don't get to impatient about getting questions answered though, I seem to remember a lot of people got quiet annoyed early on by the lack of, shall we say, steam power, but they do address it eventually.

It's a slow burner though, like SGU.

Linda06
March 31st, 2013, 11:05 PM
Watched this last night. I thoroughly enjoyed it. Looks like it could be a great show. Million times better than Lost.

Sp!der
April 1st, 2013, 11:22 AM
I have decided to put this show on break for a while and watch the rest when the season is finished !

Gollumpus
April 1st, 2013, 10:03 PM
Some notes as I was watching the latest episode, "Ghosts":


1.) How'd they get the sides of that grave so straight?

2.) Is Charlie wearing a new coat, or is it the same one she used to soak up Danny's blood last episode?

3.) Looks like Flynn is going to try and pull a "Foundation" scam on Monroe. He gives Monroe access to tech that the other power groups don't have, which allows him to control more space (ultimately for Flynn), but Flynn retains control of how the tech actually works, and therefore has ultimate power.

4.) Where/when did Charlie learn to use an assault rifle? Did I miss an episode?

5.) The melee in the town square was ridiculously easy. Yes, it was three highly trained people against a bunch of less well trained people, who were also perhaps a bit over-confident. It still went down far too easily.



regards,
G.

Gollumpus
April 2nd, 2013, 02:22 AM
Otherwise, regarding "Ghosts":


6.) It was nice to see Malik Yoba. I'm hoping he becomes at least a recurring cast member. This being said, I am worried that the show will devolve into a kind of "melee of the week" now that Miles has some additional back-up beyond Nora or Charlie.

Ian-S
April 2nd, 2013, 06:52 PM
1) Ignoring the obvious point that you're getting at, string - poke two sticks in the ground, tie it between them and you have a straight line.

2) Yes, a new shirt, and bra too by the looks of it (or at least one that's been through a wash cycle).

I'll get my coat...

garhkal
April 2nd, 2013, 08:23 PM
Just caues they don't have modern washers does not mean they can'twash their clothes..

But solid 2 first eps so far.. Love the Randall-monroe connection, and the further flash backs.

And i would LOVE to know what that thing rachell pulled out of danny was...

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
April 3rd, 2013, 01:54 AM
Next Week's episode looks good.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBhVU0kzdUI

LtColCarter
April 3rd, 2013, 06:34 AM
Finally got to watch "ghosts." I enjoyed it. The show seems to be improving for the second half of the season. Anyone have any scoop on the ratings?

jelgate
April 3rd, 2013, 12:46 PM
Finally got to watch "ghosts." I enjoyed it. The show seems to be improving for the second half of the season. Anyone have any scoop on the ratings?

They are good for this time of year. Lower than fall but ratings always decline in the spring

ZRFTS
April 3rd, 2013, 05:35 PM
Ghosts

So it seems that this season is taking a turn for the better, we have a new place with interesting possibilities, we have a new adversary with tons of backstory and we even have better usage of the characters. But despite the show getting better, it still has baby steps to take. "Ghosts" is an example of this.

The episode does good with one thing, showcasing the relationships between the characters. It was nice to see how these characters operate from Rachel trying to bond with Charlie to Miles trying to convince a longtime old friend to join the cause to even Randal himself; mainly because it helps to develop the characters. With every word, with every action, with every sentence, you can see that they're trying to better themselves for the good of the show and there's no moment where the character development doesn't disappoint. I personally found Rachel to be the best character here mainly because of the way she handles that awkward emotive side with that badass fighter side, in one scene you can see the way and stumbles her words and in another you get to see the resourceful side that made her one of the better characters in the first half of Season 1. Even though she was paired up with Charlie for most of the episode, I found her entertaining nonetheless.


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Mother/daughter bonding.

The action has somewhat improved and it isn't just mindless fighting; for most of the episode you get to see the characters become the hunted, try to avoid the ruthless powers of Randal and his army. This actually rectifies a flaw that's consistent with Revolution and that is the sheer stupidity of the actions; this show with it's premise could of had the potential to be intelligent and actually utilize logical strategy but instead they just do actions which I don't think are even possible just so they can serve the purpose of the plot. When you're watching them try to evade the forces of Monroe, you're seeing the sheer power of their forces, what they would do to accomplish the mission, even the lengths they would go to to accomplish the mission. It really does well in establishing them as a bonafied threat, one that'll definitely influence the events that'd come in this season.

However, there are times where the action seems forced; it seems like Revolution hasn't learned it's lesson in convincing action as many of the scenes are flash with very few substance in them. Take for instance the fight between Miles and his fight, this fight is designed to show how cool they are with their swords and nothing more. Every swing they manage to hit somebody and they don't seem to be bothered by forces that should be considered ruthless and endeering; same goes for the scenes with Rachel, it seems like all has been done and bam, they defeat his forces as if it was sliced butter. I'm not a fan of these fight scenes and if they could just learn to take a bit of substance and include it into these fight scenes then maybe, maybe it could come out better than it was.

There are some downsides to this episode and surprisingly, it relates to the character part of it. We're seeing Randal for the first time, the flashbacks of which are pretty good (what with the character motivation and all) but he doesn't manage to sell the urgency of the flashbacks in his performance which makes him seem like he's just a crazy guy who just happens to have all of the power in the world, neglecting the military experience that he claims to have; additionally his backstory doesn't feel really unique; while most of us could feel for his plight, most of us have seen that plight elsewhere. Additionally, the new combatant in crime doesn't have an interesting story; while placing him inside Miles backstory makes him interesting (and he does all that he can to sell the interesting aspect of it.) His story about settling down has been done a thousand times before, worst is that the story seems to be predictable in that the ending is obviously designed to make him a part of the main story, using a plot device known since the dawn of time.


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Tough forces.

Which brings up another issue.

Everything seems designed to the getgo, there is absolutely no time where the actions feel genuine; well they do feel genuine when we see new places or new friends but everything is always designed to make sure they follow the plot of the story. They just have to do this or that in order to progress or they just have to find a way to make what should be an impossible situation a possible one; this really effects the believability of the world and forces me to strip alot of my logic and belief in order to get immersed in the world; nobody should have to shut off much of their functions just to get immersed in the show. Writers, people love it when their people are in impossible predicaments, it makes them think about how they're going to get out, how these people are going to react to the situation; it isn't fun when they manage to defeat guys easily, there should be a challenge to this, a challenge that they can't face easily.

Aside from that. "Ghosts" prove that it's slowly improving, though not as quickly as you'd expect. The character exploration is good as well as the progress being made in the plot department but you'd have to sit through flashy action (slightly good action) and inconsistent logic just to get to the good parts. Still, I have to hand it to Revolution for trying to engage people in the action, these things just might up being Revolution's saving graces.

5.0/10

Skydiver
April 3rd, 2013, 07:38 PM
Some notes as I was watching the latest episode, "Ghosts":


1.) How'd they get the sides of that grave so straight?







regards,
G.
I thought that too

try digging a massive hole with hand tools and see how even you get it. That grave was way too neat for something hand dug, which is what it'd have to be.

Gollumpus
April 3rd, 2013, 09:51 PM
1) Ignoring the obvious point that you're getting at, string - poke two sticks in the ground, tie it between them and you have a straight line.


I thought that too

try digging a massive hole with hand tools and see how even you get it. That grave was way too neat for something hand dug, which is what it'd have to be.

Ian, getting the straight line wasn't the problem. If I recall, the strings used to layout the grave were still there (weren't they?). I suppose my point is what Skydiver has said, the hole is too neat to have been dug with hand tools, unless they took a very long time doing it.

So, is this just a nitpick on my part, or was the intent by the producers of the show to indicate some kind of military respect by the rebels towards Danny for his part in taking out the helicopter? I can't say that I saw anything in that funeral scene which led me to feel that there was a military funeral with full honors going on. So I'm going to have to go with nit-pick.






2) Yes, a new shirt, and bra too by the looks of it (or at least one that's been through a wash cycle).


Just caues they don't have modern washers does not mean they can'twash their clothes..



Not really my point that they couldn't/wouldn't/shouldn't/can't wash their clothes. :)


From the looks of things, Charlie wasn't in a sitting around kind of mood, and she didn't go out on patrol until after the funeral, so are you suggesting she dealt with her brother's death, by going on a cleaning spree? :P

It just seems odd to me that Charlie would continue to wear something that had been soaked in her brother's blood, even if she had washed it out. The writers/director went to the effort of showing Charlie trying one last act of protecting/saving/comforting/sheltering her brother by having her take off her coat and draping it over his body. She can be seen trying to use it to staunch the flow of blood. If the writers wanted her to wear that coat after, as some kind of memorial to her brother, then they probably should have had a quick line or two added to the script:

Other character - "Say Charlie, why are you wearing that jacket which was soaked in your brother's blood? Here, I got this nice new one that's just your size. Even looks the same as the one you've got on."
Charlie - "Thanks, but no thanks. I'm wearing this until I kill Monroe. It's a way for Danny to still be part of the fight."

And with those few simple lines there's another little bit of back-story added to the character. As it is, it looks like a wasted opportunity for a bit of character development, because they have a particular look for Charlie which they want to keep. One might say, it's a case of style over substance.

It will be interesting to see if Charlie is still wearing that same jacket next season.

Skydiver
April 4th, 2013, 03:16 AM
I think the jacket is something along the line of 'we want the image' and the writers etc didn't think it through. If her jacket was as wet as I think it was, danny was bleeding quite a lot, well blood stinks. It spoils and rots, especially when continually exposed to the heat of a human body. Now she could have ripped out the liner and likely gotten rid of most of it, but honestly, 15 years since they last had manufacturing, her jacket never really should have existed in the first place. Even if someone had that kind of skill - and there are people around that can do leatherwork - the cost would be very prohibitive.
Of course that's like a lot of stuff on the show. They just toss a few rampant plant viney things on everything and presto chango, it's 15 years later.

I was thinking about the character earlier in the season, with the pictures of her kids on her iPhone...a battery is still going to have a residual charge 15 years later?

Overall they do an okay job showing the passage of time, but sometimes they kinda forget just how primitive things would be

Gollumpus
April 4th, 2013, 09:40 AM
I think the jacket is something along the line of 'we want the image' and the writers etc didn't think it through. If her jacket was as wet as I think it was, danny was bleeding quite a lot, well blood stinks. It spoils and rots, especially when continually exposed to the heat of a human body. Now she could have ripped out the liner and likely gotten rid of most of it, but honestly, 15 years since they last had manufacturing, her jacket never really should have existed in the first place. Even if someone had that kind of skill - and there are people around that can do leatherwork - the cost would be very prohibitive.
Of course that's like a lot of stuff on the show. They just toss a few rampant plant viney things on everything and presto chango, it's 15 years later.

I was thinking about the character earlier in the season, with the pictures of her kids on her iPhone...a battery is still going to have a residual charge 15 years later?

Overall they do an okay job showing the passage of time, but sometimes they kinda forget just how primitive things would be


Good points.



Not only would the pre-existing clothing be starting to wear out, but as you have noted, leatherworking for the making of shoes and the like would be a very rare and valuable skill. Should we not be seeing these guys wearing moccasins, or even going barefoot in some cases?

I am willing to suspend disbelief, to a point. Certainly none of what we've seen has been so bad that it makes me not want to watch the show. Sometimes the dialogue and direction does get me close, but I digress. I suppose I just find it a bit frustrating to see the producers (of any program) miss simple things which, to my mind, would add a great deal of depth to the story.

And it is a good point about Maggie Foster's iPhone. If nothing else, it certainly can be seen as a nice bit of subliminal promotional work for iPhone.


regards,
G.

ZRFTS
April 12th, 2013, 04:40 AM
The Song Remains the Same
For Revolution, it certainly does but hear me out when I say that this is the best episode of the season so far. Several key choices have to be thanked for that, including a massive focus on the second best character of the show Nevil, an incredible performance and a sense of pace that's definitely one of Revolution's best.

For so long Nevil has been this militia guy of great power, one who brings down entire people to his whim, one with exceptional skills, one who cannot be stopped so to see him get captured and all is almost brilliant in itself; it was expected but it's still brilliant. Within the episode's 45 minute time frame, you get to see the many sides of Nevil, you get to see the cold, calculated side; you get to see the emotional, lose side, you get to see the compassionate site and you also get to see his determined side; the way the actor who plays Nevil delivers his emotions and his lines are great, you can truly see that he's invested in his character, that he's actually Nevil himself; the way that he moves his face and flexes the muscles that control emotion, the very infliction of his voice, that right there screams quality material.


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Nevil in a sticky situation.

And in addition, you also get some character growth. To see Jason and Nevil face to face, talking about loyalty and the actions of a father; you can see that he truly cared about him, that he didn't want him to be taken from the world so early and Jason plays that pissed off son well, so well in fact that any traces of bad performances from him early on in the first half of the season seems to have dissipated. Nevil is earnest and humble and Jason is rebellious but also tender at the same time. In fact seeing the new revolution based Jason, he's actually helpful, he's actually seeming like he's been part of the rebels from the start, he's actually starting to seem interesting.

This doesn't mean that Nevil is the only character who gets focus around here. Rachel continues her streak from the last few episodes by focusing on the sad side of the mother/daughter relationship. Rachel is in tip-top shape shedding tears and tearing through emotions as if she were Dr. Juliet on Lost all over again; even though the character of Charlie interferes with the process by not emoting properly and seeming a bit displacent about the situation, (the good news, she's in a lessened role here.) Rachel treats her as if she was her own daughter, as if she was afraid to see her go into the good fight, the good highly choreographed, dull as butter, indulgent fights. Additionally, placing her on a mission that's sure to enhance the plotline was also a nice decision; if anything "The Tower" is keeping me interested and let's hope that her journey there won't be in vain.


There is a notable thing about this episode and that's the discovery of the cause of the blackout; I said before that whatever the cause of the blackout would be, it'd definitely be stupid and that's the cause here. I mean parasites. It explains why they can't use wind or solar power but come on, energy isn't something that can be consumed, it's a force of nature, it's a current that's constantly flowing, it's even flowing inside of us. While I admit this will certainly pacify the mainstream audience who watches the show, it won't pacify those intelligent people who pick this show apart piece by piece. If the things sucking up the energy are tiny particles than do those pendents repel the creatures, do they put out more energy than they can consume? And why aren't those particles affecting the human body? At least we got a reason why the power went out.


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Miles and Rachael, together.

There's another thing that brings it down, they still haven't fixed the issue of involvement. Whenever I see these people out on the streets, fighting for the greater good; I don't care a single lick about them. Yes they're fighting to bring back the United States but what makes me care about these characters, what makes me care when Monroe kills one of them, what makes me care when one of them dies on the battlefield?; in order for this show to work, they need to start dialing the emotional centers of the characters and giving us sufficient reasons as to care for them instead of just being the good/evil fight. I like how we got more of a look inside the rebellions working but I didn't like that they kept forcing these characters on screen, expecting us to care just because they have a connection to the main characters.

Still, despite this; this is still the best episode of Revolution so far. It has above average character performances, it has some soul and it's definately satisfying to watch. However, it's still muddy in the departments of involvement and that reveal is sure to leave you yelling at your TV in frustration but at the same time, "The Tower" is hooking viewers in and it's sure to look interesting when the time comes around. Great job Revolution, you're improving.
6.5/10

Gollumpus
April 12th, 2013, 10:09 AM
The Song Remains the Same
For Revolution, it certainly does but hear me out when I say that this is the best episode of the season so far. Several key choices have to be thanked for that, including a massive focus on the second best character of the show Nevil, an incredible performance and a sense of pace that's definitely one of Revolution's best.

For so long Nevil has been this militia guy of great power, one who brings down entire people to his whim, one with exceptional skills, one who cannot be stopped so to see him get captured and all is almost brilliant in itself; it was expected but it's still brilliant. Within the episode's 45 minute time frame, you get to see the many sides of Nevil, you get to see the cold, calculated side; you get to see the emotional, lose side, you get to see the compassionate site and you also get to see his determined side; the way the actor who plays Nevil delivers his emotions and his lines are great, you can truly see that he's invested in his character, that he's actually Nevil himself; the way that he moves his face and flexes the muscles that control emotion, the very infliction of his voice, that right there screams quality material.


http://imageshack.us/scaled/landing/703/revolutionnevil.jpg
Nevil in a sticky situation.

And in addition, you also get some character growth. To see Jason and Nevil face to face, talking about loyalty and the actions of a father; you can see that he truly cared about him, that he didn't want him to be taken from the world so early and Jason plays that pissed off son well, so well in fact that any traces of bad performances from him early on in the first half of the season seems to have dissipated. Nevil is earnest and humble and Jason is rebellious but also tender at the same time. In fact seeing the new revolution based Jason, he's actually helpful, he's actually seeming like he's been part of the rebels from the start, he's actually starting to seem interesting.

This doesn't mean that Nevil is the only character who gets focus around here. Rachel continues her streak from the last few episodes by focusing on the sad side of the mother/daughter relationship. Rachel is in tip-top shape shedding tears and tearing through emotions as if she were Dr. Juliet on Lost all over again; even though the character of Charlie interferes with the process by not emoting properly and seeming a bit displacent about the situation, (the good news, she's in a lessened role here.) Rachel treats her as if she was her own daughter, as if she was afraid to see her go into the good fight, the good highly choreographed, dull as butter, indulgent fights. Additionally, placing her on a mission that's sure to enhance the plotline was also a nice decision; if anything "The Tower" is keeping me interested and let's hope that her journey there won't be in vain.


There is a notable thing about this episode and that's the discovery of the cause of the blackout; I said before that whatever the cause of the blackout would be, it'd definitely be stupid and that's the cause here. I mean parasites. It explains why they can't use wind or solar power but come on, energy isn't something that can be consumed, it's a force of nature, it's a current that's constantly flowing, it's even flowing inside of us. While I admit this will certainly pacify the mainstream audience who watches the show, it won't pacify those intelligent people who pick this show apart piece by piece. If the things sucking up the energy are tiny particles than do those pendents repel the creatures, do they put out more energy than they can consume? And why aren't those particles affecting the human body? At least we got a reason why the power went out.


http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/9806/revolutionmilesandrache.jpg
Miles and Rachael, together.

There's another thing that brings it down, they still haven't fixed the issue of involvement. Whenever I see these people out on the streets, fighting for the greater good; I don't care a single lick about them. Yes they're fighting to bring back the United States but what makes me care about these characters, what makes me care when Monroe kills one of them, what makes me care when one of them dies on the battlefield?; in order for this show to work, they need to start dialing the emotional centers of the characters and giving us sufficient reasons as to care for them instead of just being the good/evil fight. I like how we got more of a look inside the rebellions working but I didn't like that they kept forcing these characters on screen, expecting us to care just because they have a connection to the main characters.

Still, despite this; this is still the best episode of Revolution so far. It has above average character performances, it has some soul and it's definately satisfying to watch. However, it's still muddy in the departments of involvement and that reveal is sure to leave you yelling at your TV in frustration but at the same time, "The Tower" is hooking viewers in and it's sure to look interesting when the time comes around. Great job Revolution, you're improving.
6.5/10

Quick response: I agree. More later as time allows.

regards,
G.

the fifth man
April 13th, 2013, 08:30 PM
The wife and I are really enjoying having this show back. This continues, IMO, to be a great first season.

Ian-S
April 14th, 2013, 04:58 PM
The pendants probably

disable the bugs ability to absorb energy.

But I totally agree some things are totally silly, yes the holes were not dug by hand (I was being slightly sarcastic in my reply) and I'm pretty sure they still have rivers they can wash their clothes in, but the reason for the blackout is lame when you consider that...

by going by the answer she gave, it would kill anything with a brain on the planet too...

Still, I'm enjoying it even with it's scientific and logical flaws.

Morbo
April 14th, 2013, 06:15 PM
i've decided to give up on the show. I haven't watched the last 2 episodes yet, even though they are there just ready for me to watch I just can't bring myself to do it. The show hasn't held my interest enough, and it certainly had far too many cringe worthy moments to make me keep coming back despite it's campiness.

That said, I do expect to peek back in here at the end of the season and have someone tell me what all the good info about the mystery is!

jelgate
April 15th, 2013, 03:55 PM
Bad news everyone. No Revolution tonight. NBC has decided to due a new coverage at 10 PM on the Boston tragedy

hedwig
April 15th, 2013, 04:21 PM
Bad news everyone. No Revolution tonight. NBC has decided to due a new coverage at 10 PM on the Boston tragedy

I hardly think an episode of Revolution is as important as this real life tragedy.

jelgate
April 15th, 2013, 04:25 PM
I would never claim that TV is more important than real world events. Sorry if it seemed that way

Starfist
April 15th, 2013, 10:00 PM
I must remember to stay away from the spoilers... :D

I have a few episodes to watch on my Sky+ box. So it looks like I'll be having a marathon watching session this weekend...!

I think we are up to episode 5 or 6 here in the UK.

LtColCarter
April 19th, 2013, 08:19 AM
I hardly think an episode of Revolution is as important as this real life tragedy.

I agree, but no one stopped network television for the people injured/killed in West, TX. From the initial numbers...more people were hurt and killed than in Boston.

Plus...I watched the episode on OnDemand! ;)

garhkal
April 21st, 2013, 11:50 AM
I agree, but no one stopped network television for the people injured/killed in West, TX. From the initial numbers...more people were hurt and killed than in Boston.

Plus...I watched the episode on OnDemand! ;)

True.. Heck from watching all the TV news spots, we had roughly 4-1 ratio of time spent on the BMB compared to texas.. then NADA on texas almost for 3 damn days...

I Do hope though that the powers that be shift the eps 1 week back to compensate for this so those of us who DON'T get on demand etc, can still watch last weeks ep..

ZRFTS
April 22nd, 2013, 05:08 PM
So, who's excited for the new episode of Revolution?

The fact that they're going outside of the Monroe Republic definitely makes this interesting.

Rosehawk
April 22nd, 2013, 09:20 PM
More interesting revelations tonight....nice! :)

Starfist
April 23rd, 2013, 10:22 AM
So here in the UK, as we're playing catch up, we've got some good things to look forward to watching...?

Homer 120
April 23rd, 2013, 11:36 AM
For those interested, here is a complete list of 18-49 demo ratings:

01x01: ''Pilot'' - 4.1
01x02: ''Chained Heat'' - 3.4
01x03: ''No Quarter'' - 3.2
01x04: ''The Plague Dogs'' - 3.0
01x05: ''Soul Train'' - 3.3
01x06: ''Sex and Drugs'' - 3.0
01x07: ''The Children's Crusade'' - 2.8
01x08: ''Ties That Bind'' - 2.6
01x09: ''Kashmir'' - 2.6
01x10: ''Nobody's Fault But Mine'' - 2.9
01x11: ''The Stand'' - 2.6
01x12: ''Ghosts'' - 2.2
01x13: ''The Song Remains The Same'' - 2.2
01x14: ''The Night The Lights Went Out In Georgia'' - 2.2
=====================================
Will update if episode 14 is either adjusted up or down, but all in all the show seems pretty stable and ranks as the highest rated new drama on NBC which in itself is renewal worthy.

Starfist
April 23rd, 2013, 11:44 AM
Looking at the list that Homer 120 has posted it looks like we're up to about episode 4 or 5 here in the UK.

Homer 120
April 23rd, 2013, 11:46 AM
Looking at the list that Homer 120 has posted it looks like we're up to about episode 4 or 5 here in the UK.

I think we are, watched it on Sky1 one night thinking it was a new episode only to find out that it was the Pilot! Why have Sky waited so long to air it?