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    How exactly was Cersei planning on getting Eddard Stark to the wall?

    Before king joffrey decided to execute him Cersei wanted to send Ned to the wall to take the black.
    The wall is in northern territory, the north is their enemy and Ed’s home land ...am I the only one who sees a problem?
    Last edited by slimjim; 25 April 2012, 06:52 AM.

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    Yoren from the Nightswatch was in King's landing recruiting. Hand him to Yoren, Yoren marches off with his recruits, end of story.

    Also his name is Ned, not Ed.

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      #3
      Well if Ned made a promise to take the black, he and his northmen would probably go along with it since they are the honourable lot.

      Alternatively, they could just send him by ship. The northmen don't really have a lot of naval power to intercept a ship taking him to the wall
      Last edited by Crazedwraith; 25 April 2012, 04:47 AM.
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        And with the fact that Ned was the most honorable man in the series if he said he would take the Black than he would have. And not made a fuse about it.
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          #5
          Originally posted by Crazedwraith View Post
          Well if Ned made a promise to take the black, he and his northmen would probably go along with it since they are the honourable lot.

          Alternatively, they could just send him by ship. The northmen don't really have a lot of naval power to intercept a ship taking him to the wall
          why would Ned feel obliged to honour a deal made with a king who's authority he doesn't recognise?

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            #6
            Originally posted by slimjim View Post
            why would Ned feel obliged to honour a deal made with a king who's authority he doesn't recognise?
            ....Maybe so no one mounts his daughters heads on pikes.
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              #7
              Originally posted by Ukko View Post
              ....Maybe so no one mounts his daughters heads on pikes.
              they wouldn't do that regardless of what Ned did, they need them both to hold over Robb
              Last edited by slimjim; 25 April 2012, 08:59 AM.

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                #8
                Originally posted by slimjim View Post
                they wouldn't do that regardless of what Ned did, they need them both to hold over Ed
                Yea they would. Joffrey is insane as you can clearly see and Cersei is having trouble controlling him. The same thing was said about Ned and look what happened.
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by magictrick View Post
                  Yea they would. Joffrey is insane as you can clearly see and Cersei is having trouble controlling him. The same thing was said about Ned and look what happened.
                  then why hasn't he done that yet given Robb's actions?
                  Joffrey isn't insane, I think he's what almost any boy his age would become if put in that position at that age?
                  Last edited by slimjim; 25 April 2012, 08:59 AM.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by slimjim View Post
                    they wouldn't do that regardless of what Ned did, they need them both to hold over Ed
                    Ned is Eddard. Eddard is Ned.
                    Of course they would. Joffery is a nut. He was the one that ordered Ned's death, not the queen, which caused Rob to invade. Sansa is still alive because Cersei wants her brother back (Killing Sansa would likely mean his death) and at least some kind of legitimate claim on the north if she has Joffery's child. If Ned haddnt have done what they said, they would have killed his children (they already tried killing Bran).
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Ukko View Post
                      Ned is Eddard. Eddard is Ned.
                      Robb! I mean Robb stark

                      Originally posted by Ukko View Post
                      Sansa is still alive because Cersei wants her brother back (Killing Sansa would likely mean his death) and at least some kind of legitimate claim on the north if she has Joffery's child
                      and that would still be the situation whatever Ned did

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                        #12
                        Look either he gets given to Yoren or gets sent on a ship. Either way, had that happened that would have been it.
                        Ned would have done as he was told because firstly the Lannisters would have still had his daughter. Secondly, he's an honourable man, and the Nightswatch is for life, he's not going to break any oath he makes. Thirdly, even if he decided to escape from the Watch none of the Northern Lords would recognise him as he would be an oath breaker, and finally and most importantly, if he tried to run from the watch, they'd kill him, desertion is punishable by death.
                        Originally posted by slimjim View Post
                        Joffrey isn't insane, I think he's what almost any boy his age would become if put in that position at that age?
                        So most boys who would be made King become unrepentant sadists? Joffery is insane, that's a point heavily emphasised in the tv show, and even somewhat in the books.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by The Mighty 6 platoon View Post
                          Look either he gets given to Yoren or gets sent on a ship. Either way, had that happened that would have been it.
                          Ned would have done as he was told because firstly the Lannisters would have still had his daughter. Secondly, he's an honourable man, and the Nightswatch is for life, he's not going to break any oath he makes. Thirdly, even if he decided to escape from the Watch none of the Northern Lords would recognise him as he would be an oath breaker, and finally and most importantly, if he tried to run from the watch, they'd kill him, desertion is punishable by death.
                          1) even if they went by sea they'd have to travel on land in northern territory for a little bit
                          2) the Lannisters wouldn't have killed his daughter for fear of the Starks killing jaime
                          3) why would Ned feel obliged to honour a deal made with a king he does not recognise
                          4) as I understand it you don't actually take the black until you get to the wall and I'm suggesting Ned would run away before that
                          5) Yoren would let Ned go


                          Originally posted by The Mighty 6 platoon View Post
                          So most boys who would be made King become unrepentant sadists?
                          if they where told from a young age that it was their divine right to rule and that ruling meant being able to do what ever you want then yes I think most would. Joffery's a lot like some of the younger romen emperors

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by slimjim View Post
                            1) even if they went by sea they'd have to travel on land in northern territory for a little bit
                            2) the Lannisters wouldn't have killed his daughter for fear of the Starks killing jaime
                            3) why would Ned feel obliged to honour a deal made with a king he does not recognise
                            4) as I understand it you don't actually take the black until you get to the wall and I'm suggesting Ned would run away before that
                            5) Yoren would let Ned go



                            if they where told from a young age that it was their divine right to rule and that ruling meant being able to do what ever you want then yes I think most would. Joffery's a lot like some of the younger romen emperors
                            1)As we saw when Jon arrived at the wall with Tyrion, there is bugger all anyone there. Take a boat to the wall, and simply march in its shadow to the castle.
                            2)The Starks didnt have Jamie then. Rob took the north to war because they killed Ned. Then he captured Jamie.
                            3)He made the deal with Cersi.
                            4)Run away, then they chop his daughters head off.
                            5)Not if they took him. And if Yoren did take him, they still had his children. Run away, they chop heads.

                            The kind of sadism Joffery is showing doesnt come from simply being spoiled. He is clearly mentally ill.
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Ukko View Post
                              1)As we saw when Jon arrived at the wall with Tyrion, there is bugger all anyone there. Take a boat to the wall, and simply march in its shadow to the castle.
                              2)The Starks didnt have Jamie then. Rob took the north to war because they killed Ned. Then he captured Jamie.
                              3)He made the deal with Cersi.
                              4)Run away, then they chop his daughters head off.
                              5)Not if they took him. And if Yoren did take him, they still had his children. Run away, they chop heads.
                              1)Ned made the agreement in front of a lot of people, word would have gotten back to robb and he could have had someone waiting for them
                              2)maybe they hadn't taken jamie yet but I'm pretty sure the war had already started because I remember robb reacting to his fathers death by hitting a tree with his sword which means they where already on campaign
                              3)not officially
                              4)even without jamie the girls are still valuable, and surly if they killed them it would be because of what robb was doing
                              5)who's "they"?

                              Originally posted by Ukko View Post
                              The kind of sadism Joffery is showing doesnt come from simply being spoiled. He is clearly mentally ill.
                              telling a child that when they grow up they have god given right to do what ever they want without consequence goes a bit beyond spoiling
                              Last edited by slimjim; 25 April 2012, 01:49 PM.

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