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Snowman37
March 24th, 2012, 01:16 PM
I haven't seen the Season 2 finale nor Seasons 3&4, but I'm curious... can the finale stand as a series finale? I haven't read up on the episode, but I do know the Sanctuary goes up in flames followed by the revelation of an underground facility. It seems like a nice way to cop off the series, no? It reminds me of how Star Trek: Voyager ended...

In the final episode, Voyager returns home. The final scene is Voyager escorted to Earth by a fleet of ships. We don't see them all return to Earth, but we can imagine. The episode radically changes the entire premise of the show, ending the journey.
Reminiscent, no?

fems
March 24th, 2012, 01:26 PM
It can stand as a series finale, yes.

Skydiver
March 24th, 2012, 01:27 PM
I agree it could be a show ender...or could be a stopping point for a reboot. It ended with finality and promise.

blueray
March 25th, 2012, 04:48 PM
i can see the ending be a series finale. but there is so much more they could do with it. as for comparing to voyager i don't see it. voyager ends kind of abruptly (while i love the show) it would have been great to see another 10 minutes of them actually getting home and reuniting with people. as for sanctuary without spoilers it is open ended and makes you wonder now what, but it'll need a lot more then 10 minutes to fulfill that curiosity ;).

Skydiver
March 25th, 2012, 04:58 PM
I agree about voyager. THat lack of hugs and kisses pretty much ruins the finale for me. After 7 years of wanting to go home, we kinda needed to SEE them going home.

Snowman37
March 25th, 2012, 06:22 PM
Did we really need to see a mushy reunion? Voyager was first and foremost about the starship Voyager, the crew, and the long journey home. The final scene of Voyager escorted by a fleet of ships toward Earth was the perfect ending. They did it. Anything more than that would have been tacked on. If I could have added anything, it would have been Voyager landing near San Franciso. The main characters climb down one of the landing struts... Captain Janeway picks up some soil, rubs it in her hand, and lets it pour through her fingers as she turns to her staff, "We did it."

Maybe there wasn't time nor budget, but still... I think seeing them on Earth rather than in orbit would have been more interesting.

Skydiver
March 25th, 2012, 06:41 PM
yeah, that's what I meant. Sorry. I didn't need a person by person reunion...but them landing in san francisco and walking out of their ship to a crowd of family with the few 'running towards their loved ones' bits....that would have been a great ending. Actually landing ON earth, not just popping into orbit.

Been a few years since i've seen it.

howver.....dragging back to the topic :)

Sanctuary for none words as a season finale, ready for a reboot, or it works as a series finale, shutting some things down while still leaving enough plot threads dangling for a movie or such in the future.

Snowman37
March 25th, 2012, 08:00 PM
What do you mean, ready for a reboot?

Skydiver
March 26th, 2012, 02:47 AM
I mean, say the show were to take a couple of years off, Sanctuary for None puts it at a good place for them to dive back in and set a show, movie or series either directly after or say a year after Helen's 'death' and start over.

A time span that would allow for any recasting that'd have to happen and hte new setting allowing for any new props or weapons.

blueray
March 26th, 2012, 12:56 PM
voyager, yeah when i said 10 minutes, i would have been okay with just seeing them actually land on earth, still better then the way it did end.

at least with where the sanctuary finale ends, they can pick up right after the events (which is what i'd would want) or a few years down the road.

Snowman37
March 26th, 2012, 01:16 PM
If the show isn't renewed for a fifth season, I can't see it coming back at all. Take a couple of years off? Name one show that has done this. I can't think of any.

suse
March 26th, 2012, 03:51 PM
Yeah, all momentum they might have now would be lost. People are always looking for new/shiny. Once it's done, it's done.

Selina
March 26th, 2012, 04:37 PM
If the show isn't renewed for a fifth season, I can't see it coming back at all. Take a couple of years off? Name one show that has done this. I can't think of any.

Well, there are several examples of shows getting some form of continuation after they had been canceled.

Firefly got a Serenity.
Farscape got the Peacekeeper Wars.
SG1 got Ark of Truth and Continuum.
Star Trek got several movies and spin off shows long after TOS had been canceled.

So it's actually not completely unthinkable that Sanctuary might continue in some form, even if the show is not renewed for a fifth season.

Honestly I don't hold much hope for this though. If there is no fifth season I sadly don't expect to hear from the show again. While a tv movie would always be an option I think the show already got more closure with the S4 finale than many other shows out there.

Snowman37
March 27th, 2012, 03:15 PM
People are always looking for new/shiny.
The thing about Sanctuary is that it's obscure. A revival would effectively be new to the masses. It has more to do with the actors and the production team. It's always easier to do a spin-off than to revive a cancelled show. As far as I'm concerned, the spin-off is the revival.


Well, there are several examples of shows getting some form of continuation after they had been canceled.

Firefly got a Serenity.
Farscape got the Peacekeeper Wars.
SG1 got Ark of Truth and Continuum.
Star Trek got several movies and spin off shows long after TOS had been canceled.

So it's actually not completely unthinkable that Sanctuary might continue in some form, even if the show is not renewed for a fifth season.
I was talking about returning for an additional season. Lots of TV shows have had movie continuations. These movies have served to either bring the series to the silver screen or provide closure. Of your examples... Firefly didn't return to TV. Joss Whedon tried to revive the series as a movie saga, but Universal passed on doing a sequel to Serenity. Would you call Farscape's miniseries a return to television? It's two 90-minute episodes. Technically a mini-series, I don't see it as being any different than a pair of TV movies. Regardless of what you call it, the run time would be equal to that of four episodes. When a season spans 22 episodes, that's not really a revival... it's just an ending. Now we come to SG-1... movies, not an eleventh season. Of your examples, the only thing that comes close is Star Trek, but each spin-off series begins an entirely new adventure with all new characters. None of the spin-offs make any real attempt to continue the ended/cancelled show. If you wanted to argue that the show could return in a few years as a TV movie or miniseries... OK, I might buy that. For a fifth season? Na... everyone will be scattered to the wind. Going back to SG-1, the only reason why the movies happened at all is because they were made immediately after the series ended. Had the producers waited, they'd never have happened at all.


Honestly I don't hold much hope for this though. If there is no fifth season I sadly don't expect to hear from the show again. While a tv movie would always be an option I think the show already got more closure with the S4 finale than many other shows out there.
Syfy does a lot of TV movies, no? If the show does not continue, would it not be smart for Syfy to try to capitalize on the built-in audience with one or two TV movies a year? Sanctuary has far more of a chance at TV movies than Stargate: Atlantis ever did.

Selina
March 28th, 2012, 02:09 PM
I actually agree with you for the most part. I don't really believe that sanctuary will return for a fith season in a few years. Either it gets renewed "now" or we will most likely not see it again (except maybe in TV movies), but (and that's the point I'm trying to make) it's not completely impossible as you seem to suggest.

Just for the record, there is one show that pulled off exactly what you call impossible: Doctor Who

Admittedly that show is special in so many regards that it makes a bad example, but it still illustrates that nothing is impossible as long as "people" want it and there is a market for it.

Snowman37
March 28th, 2012, 02:15 PM
Did Doctor Who have the trouble of bringing back the producers, writers, actors; recreating sets, props, costumes; and so on and so forth? That's why TV shows don't get revived except as a movie or a spin-off. Maybe it's easier to deal with all of that in the UK?

Teal'c_PI
March 28th, 2012, 05:39 PM
I also haven't seen the S4 ender, but from what I've read about it, it could be a series ender in my opinion. To be perfectly honest, I'm worried that it will definitely become one soon. :S

Deevil
March 30th, 2012, 04:08 PM
Did Doctor Who have the trouble of bringing back the producers, writers, actors; recreating sets, props, costumes; and so on and so forth? That's why TV shows don't get revived except as a movie or a spin-off. Maybe it's easier to deal with all of that in the UK?

Doctor Who was a total reboot mostly. Doctor Who has been around, on and off, for decades. There have been 11(?) doctors, around the same amount of assistants and many different execs involved in each seperated 'series'.

Reboots don't require the same people, sets and structures involved. They just take the basic idea and run with it - aka the modern Battlestar Galactica. Or they become somewhat spin-offs, like the, currently filming, Candian Primeval series, which is as I understand going to refer to the original British. Erosion. It's a reboot & somewhat a remake, and a spin-off in one (all depends on how you look at it).

Reboots aren't as uncommon as you might think, and they often have nothing to do with the original creative team of the original series.

Snowman37
March 30th, 2012, 09:07 PM
Thanks for proving my point. Even Doctor Who did not return from a long absence. Rather, it was retooled, rebooted, or whatever... in favor of something different. If Sanctuary were cancelled and then returned with a different production team and actors... why would anyone bother watching? It's not one of those shows where I'd watch a remake nor a spin-off. For me, the show is a one-shot. Once it's over, it's over.

Deevil
March 30th, 2012, 09:20 PM
Thanks for proving my point. Even Doctor Who did not return from a long absence. Rather, it was retooled, rebooted, or whatever... in favor of something different. If Sanctuary were cancelled and then returned with a different production team and actors... why would anyone bother watching? It's not one of those shows where I'd watch a remake nor a spin-off. For me, the show is a one-shot. Once it's over, it's over.

Erm no, Doctor Who is still very much the Doctor Who of old - just different as it is with every single new doctor (it reboots and resets with each new doc). It's what Doctor Who is, and probably isn't something you can understand if you haven't seen the show. And while the last break of the series was the longest, the series has had multiple year long breaks in the past.

while you might think Sanctuary wouldn't be worth watching with different actors, or a different production team, doesn't mean we all feel the same way. Lots of reboots and remakes and random spin-offs work well. Judging its not worth it before it can even happen makes no sense.

you haven't even seen the finale to judge if any kind of reboot would work (not saying you aren't entitled to your opinion, just that you are potentially missing important information) If handled well, given what happened, a reboot could be fantastic.

Deevil
March 30th, 2012, 10:01 PM
Re.: Star Trek voyager, the ended was clearly tacked together. To really end the voyage we should have seen them arrive at their destinations. I really think it was a letdown. The endin was an ending

Rather the Sanctuary S4 finale was a new beginning. They're ending IMO are not comparable.

iJOKE
April 2nd, 2012, 05:01 AM
I reckon it was a series finale.
I mean it sadly all comes down to ratings.. and i have doubts sanctuary would return since the finale was an up-in-the-air scenario. (even though i wish it would continue forever!)

though in saying that.. i have recently become interested in doctor who.. and i wonder.. considering it has so many reboots.. how did is last for so long!?

:O

Deevil
April 2nd, 2012, 06:46 AM
Because Doctor Who is designed to be, essentially reset every time a new doctor regenerates. It keeps it fresh, different and no question the giant reset button because it's expected from its formula.

blueray
April 2nd, 2012, 06:37 PM
from what i've seen of doctor who (new version season 1-3) the changes in the doctor's actor was part of the show, actually that and the fact that there weren't that many characters (except for the doctor and rose, who they got rit of).

sanctuary with different actors wouldn't work for me, since i mainly watch for the characters, who without the actors don't exist.

and as for the person who said star trek doesn't build off of the spin offs, that isn't completely true. the spinoffs do reference each other sometimes (not to the point where you can't watch it without seeing others) but characters and some minor stories do reappear in following shows.

Snowman37
April 2nd, 2012, 08:47 PM
I've seen all of the shows. I know how Star Trek works. I said the spin-offs do not build on each other. I never said the shows didn't reference each other nor feature crossovers. However, references and crossover episodes do not equate building on what the previous show had done. The tight SG-1/SGA progression simply never happened on Star Trek. At best, you could say that DS9 tried to build on the world of TNG once that show went off the air. TNG tried to distance itself from TOS, VOY tried to distance itself from TNG/DS9, and ENT was a prequel to the whole saga. By nature of being a prequel, it couldn't have built on any stories. At best, it provided origins.

iJOKE
April 3rd, 2012, 04:14 AM
from what i've seen of doctor who (new version season 1-3) the changes in the doctor's actor was part of the show, actually that and the fact that there weren't that many characters (except for the doctor and rose, who they got rit of).

sanctuary with different actors wouldn't work for me, since i mainly watch for the characters, who without the actors don't exist.

and as for the person who said star trek doesn't build off of the spin offs, that isn't completely true. the spinoffs do reference each other sometimes (not to the point where you can't watch it without seeing others) but characters and some minor stories do reappear in following shows.

No way! they got rid of eccentric eccleston and rose.. :(:( i am only half way through the eccleston series (new to the whoniverse).
Yeah id doubt that sanctuary would have new actors.. i dont see it as that type of show.


Because Doctor Who is designed to be, essentially reset every time a new doctor regenerates. It keeps it fresh, different and no question the giant reset button because it's expected from its formula.


Fantastic :D

Skydiver
April 3rd, 2012, 06:08 PM
And Doctor Who's regeneration was the perfect plot device to explain new actors and new creative staff. Brilliant in its simplicity.

Gen. Chris
May 17th, 2012, 04:56 PM
Just caught up today.

If it is cancelled, I can definitely think of worse ways for a show to go.