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GateWorld
March 17th, 2012, 02:38 PM
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<FONT SIZE="1">EPISODE NUMBER - 205</FONT>
<DIV STYLE="margin-top:10px; padding:0;">After a shocking attack Catelyn and Brienne flee Renly's camp, while in Qarth Daenerys receives a tempting proposal. Lord Tyrion discovers the King's dangerous plan to defeat Stannis' forces in the assault that is soon to come, and Arya finds a new ally in her struggle for survival (and revenge).</DIV>
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Gen. Chris
April 29th, 2012, 09:24 PM
About to watch this :D

Cold Fuzz
April 29th, 2012, 09:30 PM
Tone-wise this is a much quieter episode than Garden of Bones but no less interesting.

I absolutely loved the scenes beyond the Wall. The Fist of the First Men isn't much of a fortification. It's an icy butte at best and a death trap at worst. Being filmed in Iceland may have been difficult logistically but my goodness the effect is brilliant. The wintry storm clouds in the background and the ice in the foreground was breathtaking. :D

The icy scenes were wonderfully contrasted by the scenes on the other side of the world in Qarth. The tension between Mormont and Dany was wonderful, especially when he was totally friend-zoned by Dany. :P I especially loved how Prior Pyat Pree demonstrated his "magic." It's unfortunate we didn't get the pyromancer performing his walking ladder trick in the book though. *shrug* I was hoping for more with Quaithe but that seems like we might still get more with her in successive episodes. I loved Drogon cooking his meat before eating it. :lol:

Jaqen H'ghar was appropriately slick. His potential death by fire was likely the explanation of the three deaths being stolen from R'hllor. His comments about stealing deaths from the Red God make me think more and more that the whole R'hllorapalooza scene in the books and the series points to this fire god being a deceiver. I'm thinking that he is no different than the Others and the Great Other.

Roy Dotrice was great as Hallyne the Pyromancer--bookish and quirky. :lol: I also loved Bronn's frank appraisal of what a battle is truly like.

I loved Davos standing up to Stannis, especially about Melisandre. The more and more I see of Stannis, the more I am convinced that he would make a terrible king if he ascends to the Iron Throne. The Stannis depicted in the books would be even worse. I think Stannis doesn't understand people in the way someone like Tyrion or Renly does.

The music for Theon's scenes continues to be impressive. I do hope that there's a release for the season 2 soundtrack. The music for Theon's Drowned God baptism was equally impressive as well. The exotic-sounding music associated with Jaqen was a nice change from what we've been hearing in the past few episodes.

If Charles Dance doesn't get an award for his role as Tywin Lannister, I'll be surprised.

With the season half over, I'm definitely all for the decision to have A Storm of Swords play out across two seasons rather than one. It's incredibly difficult to have all the necessary scenes in just 10 episodes.

Gen. Chris
April 30th, 2012, 09:12 AM
Well, I can't really add much more to what Cold Fuzz said. I will say I was surprised about what happened in the beginning of the episode. When I saw it, myself and my girlfriend and her roommate all basically said "Oh crap!".

By the way, did the Tickler die by a broken neck? It looked like his head was turned all the way around...

Ukko
April 30th, 2012, 10:06 AM
I clicked on M6's spoiler tag so i knew Renly would die.:( I liked him. Brien was awesome killing those guards.

Brans dream about Winterfell being drowned by the sea was (i assume) alluding to Theon or the other Iron Islanders possibly attacking there. I didnt like Theon at first, but am starting too now.

magictrick
April 30th, 2012, 10:27 AM
I liked that this episode managed to touch upon almost every story line that is happening in the series. Usually one or two are overlooked in an episode but this one encompassed everything except Robb in the North.

One of my favourite scenes was the one with Arya and Tywin. I think the actress playing Arya is extremely talented. What a great casting.




By the way, did the Tickler die by a broken neck? It looked like his head was turned all the way around...

I thought it looked like a broken neck, a likely injury he would sustain had he "accidentally" fallen off that over path.

Gen. Chris
April 30th, 2012, 10:37 AM
I clicked on M6's spoiler tag so i knew Renly would die.:( I liked him. Brien was awesome killing those guards.



That sucks. I'm glad I didn't open it. I'm very happy people around here, with the exception of a few, are better when it comes to tagging spoilers...

Ukko
April 30th, 2012, 10:43 AM
That sucks. I'm glad I didn't open it. I'm very happy people around here, with the exception of a few, are better when it comes to tagging spoilers...

Tis my own fault. I have avoided every spoiler, but couldn't resist clicking just once. Hand in the cookie jar.

The Mighty 6 platoon
April 30th, 2012, 01:04 PM
That sucks. I'm glad I didn't open it. I'm very happy people around here, with the exception of a few, are better when it comes to tagging spoilers...

As Ukko said, twas his own silly fault. :P I was discussing upcoming episodes, but I stuck it in spoiler tags and even said they were spoilers for the upcoming eps, but curiosity got the better of Ukko. :D

Anyway on to the episode itself, which I though was fantastic. Each episode seems better than the last too me, and I had only one little quibble. But the good parts first (almost everything). The opening scene was excellent and creepy and Brienne v the guards was great, probably the best swordfight they've had on the show thus far, very well choreographed and it really got across the brutal efficiency of Brienne during the fight. The show looked fantastic, dragons, fleets, the shots of the Icelandic scenery... it was all jaw dropping. Each week the show looks less like a tv series and more like a film. Hell I think we're there, most films wouldn’t even bother to go to Iceland, they'd just do it on a sound stage with fake snow and cgi, but damn has it paid off for Game of Thrones.

All the actors were on top for this week as well, especially child actors like Isaac and Maisie, who had a great scene with Charles Dance. Qarth looked great as well and Pyat Pree had a really creepy intro.

As for my one quibble, that would be the Tickler dying. In the books he dies later, in an awesome scene I won't spoil. I get the point though of why they offed him now, it would be difficult for the show to keep around this actor in a minor part, and then bring him back in season 3 when a lot of the audience will have forgotten about him.

I hope they do a similar scene to his book death later on though, perhaps replacing him with another character, which would be pretty easy, as his death serves as great character development for his killer.

But overall another great ep, roll on next week.

Cold Fuzz
April 30th, 2012, 03:38 PM
As Ukko said, twas his own silly fault. :P I was discussing upcoming episodes, but I stuck it in spoiler tags and even said they were spoilers for the upcoming eps, but curiosity got the better of Ukko. :D

Anyway on to the episode itself, which I though was fantastic. Each episode seems better than the last too me, and I had only one little quibble. But the good parts first (almost everything). The opening scene was excellent and creepy and Brienne v the guards was great, probably the best swordfight they've had on the show thus far, very well choreographed and it really got across the brutal efficiency of Brienne during the fight. The show looked fantastic, dragons, fleets, the shots of the Icelandic scenery... it was all jaw dropping. Each week the show looks less like a tv series and more like a film. Hell I think we're there, most films wouldn’t even bother to go to Iceland, they'd just do it on a sound stage with fake snow and cgi, but damn has it paid off for Game of Thrones.

All the actors were on top for this week as well, especially child actors like Isaac and Maisie, who had a great scene with Charles Dance. Qarth looked great as well and Pyat Pree had a really creepy intro.

As for my one quibble, that would be the Tickler dying. In the books he dies later, in an awesome scene I won't spoil. I get the point though of why they offed him now, it would be difficult for the show to keep around this actor in a minor part, and then bring him back in season 3 when a lot of the audience will have forgotten about him.

I hope they do a similar scene to his book death later on though, perhaps replacing him with another character, which would be pretty easy, as his death serves as great character development for his killer.

But overall another great ep, roll on next week.

M6, since the producers scragged the Tickler now...

...they might move up Arya's stabbing scene to this season. I can picture her getting Needle back from Polliver during the Harrenhal uprising and really sticking it to 'im. :P Whatever they decide, I do hope they decide to keep the scene with Arya stabbing somebody. I think it's a huge defining moment for her character, especially how it's a stepping stone to go to Braavos and sign on with the House of Black and White. I really hope they don't drop this from her character.

On a lighter note about Arya, OK was she totally checking out Gendry working at the forge or what? :P

magictrick
April 30th, 2012, 07:24 PM
M6, since the producers scragged the Tickler now...

...they might move up Arya's stabbing scene to this season. I can picture her getting Needle back from Polliver during the Harrenhal uprising and really sticking it to 'im. :P Whatever they decide, I do hope they decide to keep the scene with Arya stabbing somebody. I think it's a huge defining moment for her character, especially how it's a stepping stone to go to Braavos and sign on with the House of Black and White. I really hope they don't drop this from her character.

On a lighter note about Arya, OK was she totally checking out Gendry working at the forge or what? :P

I don't see why they would, it is a major character development point for her and sets the tone for where her journey takes her.

And yea she definitely was.
I'm banking on them ending up together. I mean at least someone deserves a happy ending.

Gen. Chris
April 30th, 2012, 07:32 PM
On a lighter note about Arya, OK was she totally checking out Gendry working at the forge or what? :P

Dude, I'm straight and I was checking Gendry out...Lol :P

Cold Fuzz
April 30th, 2012, 08:09 PM
I don't see why they would, it is a major character development point for her and sets the tone for where her journey takes her.

If it gets pushed to this season, I hope it's as cathartic as I imagined in the book. :P


And yea she definitely was.
I'm banking on them ending up together. I mean at least someone deserves a happy ending.

I've been hoping they end up together since the two of them started off for the Wall together. Even with Arya's strange travels in Braavos, I can still picture her ending up with him and having it work out.


Dude, I'm straight and I was checking Gendry out...Lol :P

I'm not... and I was checking him out as much as Arya was. :lol:

Ukko
May 1st, 2012, 12:17 AM
Wont....click....spoilers!

I think we all checked Gendry out.:p

magictrick
May 1st, 2012, 07:36 AM
Wont....click....spoilers!

Use the force!

Just so happens that this one isn't that bad but that is all I will say :P

The Mighty 6 platoon
May 1st, 2012, 08:41 AM
M6, since the producers scragged the Tickler now...

...they might move up Arya's stabbing scene to this season. I can picture her getting Needle back from Polliver during the Harrenhal uprising and really sticking it to 'im. :P Whatever they decide, I do hope they decide to keep the scene with Arya stabbing somebody. I think it's a huge defining moment for her character, especially how it's a stepping stone to go to Braavos and sign on with the House of Black and White. I really hope they don't drop this from her character.


I think with regards to the Tickler and who might "replace" him I think that (and for the Ukko's of this world, possible spoilers for upcoming eps, so try to resist clicking :P)

they will have this scene either this season or next but they will replace the character with someone else. Perhaps someone we know, maybe Amory Lorch, he was shown killing Yoren in the show, giving Arya good reason to hate him, so they might keep him alive longer than he lasted in the books to let Arya "deal" with him. Or they could just invent a new character, wouldn't be too hard in season 3 to just invent some other Lannister, show them terrorising the countryside then have Arya brutally shank him in the next ep.

Gen. Chris
May 1st, 2012, 12:40 PM
Haha, made you look. ^"Ukko...Open me, you know you want to..."^

Skydiver
May 2nd, 2012, 03:56 AM
Having read the books, I knew Renley was toast, so that wasn't a surprise. I think the biggest 'shock' was ending last week with the attack instead of the shadow's birth.

I interpret the red god and his fire, etc at the simple analogy of the Devil.

chrono trigger
May 2nd, 2012, 11:43 AM
It was great to see Danaerys get some decent screen time again and Arya's scenes wirth Tywin and Jaquen (i dont know how to spell his name) were brilliant. i also thought Brienne and Catelyn had a great scene.

Gen. Chris
May 2nd, 2012, 03:34 PM
It was great to see Danaerys get some decent screen time again and Arya's scenes wirth Tywin and Jaquen (i dont know how to spell his name) were brilliant. i also thought Brienne and Catelyn had a great scene.

Definitely. Though I find Danaerys' storyline to be the most boring right now, she had good scenes.

The Mighty 6 platoon
May 3rd, 2012, 08:20 AM
Having read the books, I knew Renley was toast, so that wasn't a surprise. I think the biggest 'shock' was ending last week with the attack instead of the shadow's birth.

I interpret the red god and his fire, etc at the simple analogy of the Devil.
I would argue that nobody in Westeros sees it that way. Certainly Melisandre, and other followers like Thoros of Myr see themselves as doing good in the world. Even those that don't follow the religion in Westeros don't see the Red god as the devil, they see it as a foreign religion.

The closet analogue to the devil in the world would be The Great Other, who is the god of darkness, cold, and death and is considered the enemy of R'hllor, the Red god.

Cold Fuzz
May 3rd, 2012, 05:02 PM
I would argue that nobody in Westeros sees it that way. Certainly Melisandre, and other followers like Thoros of Myr see themselves as doing good in the world. Even those that don't follow the religion in Westeros don't see the Red god as the devil, they see it as a foreign religion.

The closet analogue to the devil in the world would be The Great Other, who is the god of darkness, cold, and death and is considered the enemy of R'hllor, the Red god.

That's the tricky thing about the whole R'hllor/Great Other dichotomy. The respective followers of both groups would argue that they're "good." But, as with everything else in GRRM's universe, there's what they claim about themselves and there's reality.

I don't think it's as simple as good or evil with GRRM's world. It could be that the Great Other and R'hllor could represent chaos and order. It's likely though that the two of them represent two different ideologies that are opposite of each other. Just what those ideologies are, that hasn't been revealed yet.

Skydiver
May 3rd, 2012, 06:21 PM
my point is, even if there's no such thing as 'the devil' in westeros, GRRM is still steeped in our mythology and the whole red and fire thing certainly fits the analogy.

But yeah, no side is sitting there thinking 'i'm the ultimate evil', each thinks they're right and doing what's right....either for the greater good or for themselves.

Robb is saving the north. Cersei is cementing her own and her son's power. Tyrion is trying to keep King's landing from imploding, Stannis is trying to rise to power for the 'good of westeros'. and the list goes on.