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GateWorld
March 9th, 2012, 01:12 PM
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<FONT SIZE="1">EPISODE NUMBER - 118</FONT>
<DIV STYLE="margin-top:10px; padding:0;">Under the thumb of her wicked and powerful mother, the young Regina's love of a poor stable boy is complicated by the arrival of a young girl. Mary Margaret tries to defend her innocence before the district attorney, and Emma finds a new clue.</DIV>
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tomstone
April 1st, 2012, 07:21 PM
So we finally got an answer on what Snow did. That story was very sad, but I kind of understand her anger now.

Also now we got a little hint on who the Writer really is.
The way he said that she of all People should trust him was so obvious. Who is the only kind of Person that could claim that? Familiars. He is freaking grown up Henry.

Just to make sure I saw that right. The Woman that popped up in the end looks just like Emma. What the heck is happening?

VampyreWraith
April 1st, 2012, 07:22 PM
I loved this episode, loved Regina in it. I felt bad for her(though I don't think Snow was at fault for what happened to Daniel). Regina is one of my favorite characters, and I really liked the backstory. The relationship between Regina and her mother really reminded me of the relationship I had with my mother(minus the magic and the murder of course :P).

I'm glad Emma found out about Sidney, and I really liked August in this episode too.

VampyreWraith
April 1st, 2012, 07:24 PM
Just to make sure I saw that right. The Woman that popped up in the end looks just like Emma. What the heck is happening?

I thought that was Kathryn at the end, and that Gold probably brought her back somehow?

tomstone
April 1st, 2012, 07:34 PM
I thought that was Kathryn at the end, and that Gold probably brought her back somehow?

Yeah, I just checked. The same clothing from the Night she dissappeared, its Kathryn.

SGalisa
April 1st, 2012, 08:43 PM
yeah, at first I thought the person found in the parking lot was Emma's twin, too, until I read the comments from ABC's blog site. The folks there were saying it was Katherine (Kathryn? sp?).

Question now is how is Regina going to explain the coroner's report of the heart belonging to Katherine, while Katherine has eyewitnesses of being found alive.. :p
the intrigue grows.. :D

AresLover452
April 1st, 2012, 09:19 PM
Sofor a little while in this episode I felt sorry for Regina... having to live with a mother like that... O_O! But then... I went back to hating her!! OMG!! This show gets better every week!!

so glad emma found out about Sydney and Gold is finally making his move! So happy that Kathryn is back... though probably minus her heart knowing Regina's penchant for taking them.

RJLCyberPunk
April 1st, 2012, 09:48 PM
I loved this episode, loved Regina in it. I felt bad for her(though I don't think Snow was at fault for what happened to Daniel). Regina is one of my favorite characters, and I really liked the backstory. The relationship between Regina and her mother really reminded me of the relationship I had with my mother(minus the magic and the murder of course :P).

I'm glad Emma found out about Sidney, and I really liked August in this episode too.

I totally agree Snow was just a very little and naive girl at the time I also now believe that the queen of hearts in Wonderland could very well be Regina's mother, Regina may have banished her there in revenge for what she did to her boyfriend and probably placing her father in an enchanted box was the last draw. The back-story was indeed very well written and it allowed viewers to emotionally connect with Regina by showing she wasn't always a monster and a unidimensional villain a la Joker or Lex Luthor. (well at least they tried to flesh out Lexx in Smallville).

Skydiver
April 2nd, 2012, 04:40 AM
In Storybrooke, people can live without their hearts. Didn't queeny put David's in a box or something? Without a heart just means without love.

and yes, thngs are all coming to a head. what? 3 more left??

Mrja84
April 2nd, 2012, 09:15 AM
I still don't buy that it was Snow's fault. She hinted that her mother caused the horsing incident. She should be angry at her step-mother...I'm so confused how does that backstory make sense?

Though I did enjoy that it was Regina that told Snow about true love. Hmmm...kinda interesting huh?

So the deal with Regina was for Gold to get out not to have to worry about prison? Couldn't he have just said please? He's got a plan

VampyreWraith
April 2nd, 2012, 11:01 AM
I don't think the we(the viewers) are supposed to blame Snow for what happened, but for Regina, who I guess was twisted/blinded by grief from losing her true love, just when she was about to run off and marry him, blaming Snow for his death made sense. Her loss made her cold and heartless, wanting revenge, and not wanting anyone else to be happy if she herself couldn't be.
I think she was angry at her mother too though, we don't see her mother later on, so I don't think Regina let her off the hook for killing Daniel.
Seeing Regina confiding to Snow about her love for the stable boy, made me feel sad for Regina, and about the whole situation between her and Snow. Regina seemed like a good person until her mother killed the man she loved..

jeri
April 2nd, 2012, 11:06 AM
Of course Snow can't really be at fault, she was just a little girl. But I think Regina was emotionally traumatized enough that she's slightly deranged in her thinking. To have one's own mother kill her beloved like that is enough to send one over the edge. Because it's her mother, the first person most of us bond with and trust, she can't quite except things, so misplaces the blame on someone not so close to her. I'm sure she still hates her mother, it's just that she can't come to terms with it.

I think Gold can't just say please to get out of the battery charges against him. Things have changed now that Emma has arrived and time has started again. I think now everyone would notice, and be this would cause problems. He may have got Regina to make a deal for him to see a councilor instead. (as was spoiled about future episodes) We see in this ep. how the District Attorney is Regina's ally, that was not exactly a neutral inquiry session with Mary Margaret. So she would be able to get him a deal. For Mr. Gold to act as MM's attorney, he would have to be out of trouble. His plan is in play, so he wants to keep up appearances. I think his beating of the florist was a big mis-step, that he regrets, probably only for appearances sake though.

jeri
April 2nd, 2012, 11:15 AM
I don't think the we(the viewers) are supposed to blame Snow for what happened, but for Regina, who I guess was twisted/blinded by grief from losing her true love, just when she was about to run off and marry him, blaming Snow for his death made sense. Her loss made her cold and heartless, wanting revenge, and not wanting anyone else to be happy if she herself couldn't be.
I think she was angry at her mother too though, we don't see her mother later on, so I don't think Regina let her off the hook for killing Daniel.
Seeing Regina confiding to Snow about her love for the stable boy, made me feel sad for Regina, and about the whole situation between her and Snow. Regina seemed like a good person until her mother killed the man she loved..

Agreed. Rational people don't blame a child for being naive.

I'm thinking Regina's done something to her mother, like RJL says, maybe banished her to Wonderland, or some nasty place. I don't think she would kill her mother outright, but maybe over time she might as her twisted sort of madness grows in her. She did sacrifice her father whom she did love, so it's hard to tell at this point.

majorsal
April 2nd, 2012, 05:08 PM
interesting ep! :) since regina/evil queen is my fave character, i was looking forward to any ep that really focused on her.

i can understand regina blaming young snow, but at the same time, a rational and nice person would be able to let that feeling pass. i think regina's mom's deeds and behaviors have warped her very much. she basically turned into her mother...

i was about to say that i hoped regina could take daniel's heart and somehow regenerate him, but i think her mom crushed the heart, so...

i still want regina to get daniel back. i want her to find happiness. i want her to find redemption too.

jeri
April 2nd, 2012, 05:47 PM
Yeah, Daniel's gone, she crushed that heart to dust. The creators of the show said dead will be dead, so unless they start using time travel, he's gone.

I like Regina too. She's a great villain, she has interesting sides to her. I'm never too sure of her intentions, especially towards Henry. Will Henry ever push her to where she turns on him? And how far will she go? I think there's always room for redemption, I wonder what it would take to save her?

tomstone
April 2nd, 2012, 07:30 PM
Yeah, Daniel's gone, she crushed that heart to dust. The creators of the show said dead will be dead, so unless they start using time travel, he's gone.

I like Regina too. She's a great villain, she has interesting sides to her. I'm never too sure of her intentions, especially towards Henry. Will Henry ever push her to where she turns on him? And how far will she go? I think there's always room for redemption, I wonder what it would take to save her?

I wouldnt discard Timetravel just yet. The happy endings where known in our World long before their Characters came here. And the more I think about it, the more Augusts recent slipup makes sense. I complained before that he simply knows to much for being on his own, but now he said that Emma of all People should trust him. Eventough they barely know each other. I dont know how or why, but he is from the Future. August doesnt seem to be the Person to be irrational or naive. I just really think he meant what he said there.

AresLover452
April 2nd, 2012, 07:54 PM
In Storybrooke, people can live without their hearts. Didn't queeny put David's in a box or something? Without a heart just means without love.

and yes, thngs are all coming to a head. what? 3 more left??

No, she had Graham's heart in a box that she used to kill him after graham sided with Emma against her. As far as know david still has his heart.

Skydiver
April 3rd, 2012, 03:52 AM
ok, sorry. I just knew she had someone's heart and they existed fine until she squished it.

Mrja84
April 3rd, 2012, 06:32 AM
Of course Snow can't really be at fault, she was just a little girl. But I think Regina was emotionally traumatized enough that she's slightly deranged in her thinking. To have one's own mother kill her beloved like that is enough to send one over the edge. Because it's her mother, the first person most of us bond with and trust, she can't quite except things, so misplaces the blame on someone not so close to her. I'm sure she still hates her mother, it's just that she can't come to terms with it.

I believe she was her step mother...then again. Maybe you are right since Snow said she didn't want Regina to lose her mother like Snow did... Still, she never seemed close to her mother and was rebelling against her. So to say she can't come to grips with it seems unrealistic to me.

carmencatalina
April 3rd, 2012, 08:43 AM
I wanted to mention that whomever is in charge of makeup/hair on the show did a great job of making Regina look substantially younger in the scenes from fairy tale land. The actress is really beautiful in any case, but there she looked a good 10 years younger than she does in the full evil queen makeup that they use for the later story lines.

Girlbot
April 3rd, 2012, 11:29 AM
So now we are supposed to feel sorry for Regina?
It is sad that she lost her beloved, but to blame a child who can easily be manipulated by adults, is a bit extreme IMO, and to take it to the extent she has, is, well, ............

AresLover452
April 3rd, 2012, 12:03 PM
I wanted to mention that whomever is in charge of makeup/hair on the show did a great job of making Regina look substantially younger in the scenes from fairy tale land. The actress is really beautiful in any case, but there she looked a good 10 years younger than she does in the full evil queen makeup that they use for the later story lines.


the people who do the make-up are AMAZING!!

VampyreWraith
April 3rd, 2012, 12:04 PM
I don't think it's so much about feeling sorry for Regina(though I do find the whole situation between her and Snow sad), but more about giving a reason for what she eventually became. The reason might not be a valid reason for a rational person, but for someone like Regina, and given her world/backround, it makes sense(at least IMO).

In the fairy tale world created by the show love is the most powerful magic. A few episodes back, when Snow forgot about Charming(and her love for him) she was pretty nasty and willing to kill. It took Charming, and his love for her to make her remember that she was a good person who would never purposefully set out to kill someone. Regina didn't/doesn't have that.

AresLover452
April 3rd, 2012, 12:04 PM
So now we are supposed to feel sorry for Regina?
It is sad that she lost her beloved, but to blame a child who can easily be manipulated by adults, is a bit extreme IMO, and to take it to the extent she has, is, well, ............

I felt sry for Regina... for like.. a minute.. then I was back to wanting to toss her under a bus.

But i love to hate the EQ~ lol~

VampyreWraith
April 3rd, 2012, 12:51 PM
Agreed. Rational people don't blame a child for being naive.

I'm thinking Regina's done something to her mother, like RJL says, maybe banished her to Wonderland, or some nasty place. I don't think she would kill her mother outright, but maybe over time she might as her twisted sort of madness grows in her. She did sacrifice her father whom she did love, so it's hard to tell at this point.

I agree, I'm not sure if she killed her mother or not, especially since her mother does have magic to defend herself, but I don't think Regina just let go of what her mother did. RJL's idea that Regina's mom is the Queen of Hearts is a good one. Regina could have banished her there or she could have gone there on her own to escape Regina.


Yeah, Daniel's gone, she crushed that heart to dust. The creators of the show said dead will be dead, so unless they start using time travel, he's gone.

I like Regina too. She's a great villain, she has interesting sides to her. I'm never too sure of her intentions, especially towards Henry. Will Henry ever push her to where she turns on him? And how far will she go? I think there's always room for redemption, I wonder what it would take to save her?

I think Regina makes an interesting villain too. Maybe Henry could be the one to save her, or at least start her on the path to redemption. If her mother is alive, some kind of confrontation with her mother might also too help I guess.


I wanted to mention that whomever is in charge of makeup/hair on the show did a great job of making Regina look substantially younger in the scenes from fairy tale land. The actress is really beautiful in any case, but there she looked a good 10 years younger than she does in the full evil queen makeup that they use for the later story lines.

I agree, Lana Parilla is really beautiful anyway, but the hair and makeup people did an amazing job making her look a lot younger.
I also think the casting people did a great job picking that little girl that played young Snow. She looks a lot like Ginnifer Goodwin, and she did a great job acting and speaking like Ginnifer's Snow White.

SGalisa
April 3rd, 2012, 04:56 PM
I wanted to mention that whomever is in charge of makeup/hair on the show did a great job of making Regina look substantially younger in the scenes from fairy tale land. The actress is really beautiful in any case, but there she looked a good 10 years younger than she does in the full evil queen makeup that they use for the later story lines.


I agree, I'm not sure if she killed her mother or not, especially since her mother does have magic to defend herself, but I don't think Regina just let go of what her mother did. RJL's idea that Regina's mom is the Queen of Hearts is a good one. Regina could have banished her there or she could have gone there on her own to escape Regina.
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I agree, Lana Parilla is really beautiful anyway, but the hair and makeup people did an amazing job making her look a lot younger.

Yes, the make-up job on Regina is *amazing*. I actually didn't recognize her in her braids and less (plain-Jane type of) make-up. It took a while to sink in to me that it definitely was the same actress. And tho I don't like how the EQ is so utterly evil and cannot be trusted at all for anything, I still find her exceptionally beautiful in her EQ make-up and costumes. Regina as mayor in the real world isn't as pretty as her evil self in FTL, but she is stunningly a very wowie lady when all decked out. :D

I used to study high fashion and Regina in EQ mode is definitely QUEEN of high fashion, evil or not. :)
..And she can certainly afford it financially, too.

As for who the mystery lady queen (banished?) to wonderland is, I do believe as others here, it is Regina's mom.. perhaps mom is the Queen of Hearts. ;) So what does that make Regina (since there are 4 queens on a deck of cards, and Regina prefers wearing "black" and dressing her walls in black and white)..?

One more item, wonder what Regina will do if / when she finally realizes Emma's Henry is MM/Snow White's grandson. :eek:

SGalisa
April 3rd, 2012, 05:10 PM
I totally agree Snow was just a very little and naive girl at the time I also now believe that the queen of hearts in Wonderland could very well be Regina's mother, Regina may have banished her there in revenge for what she did to her boyfriend and probably placing her father in an enchanted box was the last draw. The back-story was indeed very well written and it allowed viewers to emotionally connect with Regina by showing she wasn't always a monster and a unidimensional villain a la Joker or Lex Luthor. (well at least they tried to flesh out Lexx in Smallville).

I agree about the connecting with the character part. It made Regina before she turned evil more human. Even her emotions seemed to be humanized and *out there.* Once her mother killed off Daniel, and naive young Snow opened her mouth with the awful truth, Regina's heart changed toward revenge--pure, sneaky revenge against Snow.. probably in her mind just as sneaky as she felt Snow did to her with news about Daniel (and Regina's mom). She even basically said so in the real world, after MM was being hauled away to potentially leave Storybrooke--
"We've got her.. we've finally got her, now, Daniel..!" (or words similar to that effect)

Regina's reaction to Snow was normal, but to carry it into the extremes she has done has made her (Regina's) anger turn cancerous.. where if her original target of revenge was a tumor, the tumor factor needs to be removed in order for proper healing to occur. However, since Daniel is most likely dead-dead, it's doubtful Regina will ever be able to fully recover from the wounds of her past. :(

VampyreWraith
April 3rd, 2012, 06:14 PM
Yes, the make-up job on Regina is *amazing*. I actually didn't recognize her in her braids and less (plain-Jane type of) make-up. It took a while to sink in to me that it definitely was the same actress. And tho I don't like how the EQ is so utterly evil and cannot be trusted at all for anything, I still find her exceptionally beautiful in her EQ make-up and costumes. Regina as mayor in the real world isn't as pretty as her evil self in FTL, but she is stunningly a very wowie lady when all decked out. :D

I used to study high fashion and Regina in EQ mode is definitely QUEEN of high fashion, evil or not. :)
..And she can certainly afford it financially, too.

As for who the mystery lady queen (banished?) to wonderland is, I do believe as others here, it is Regina's mom.. perhaps mom is the Queen of Hearts. ;) So what does that make Regina (since there are 4 queens on a deck of cards, and Regina prefers wearing "black" and dressing her walls in black and white)..?

One more item, wonder what Regina will do if / when she finally realizes Emma's Henry is MM/Snow White's grandson. :eek:


I love the Evil Queen's fairy tale land outfits, they're so pretty/elegant.

I also wonder if she actually cares enough about Henry to get over him being Snow White's grandson, or if she'll end up using him as another way to get revenge, not really caring what happens to him in the process.

Skydiver
April 3rd, 2012, 06:20 PM
I agree about young snow...almost think it'd be Ginnifer's daughter or sister because the facial features were even similar.

VampyreWraith
April 3rd, 2012, 06:42 PM
I agree about young snow...almost think it'd be Ginnifer's daughter or sister because the facial features were even similar.

I thought the same thing, so I looked it up on imdb lol, as far as I can tell they're not actually related, but they really do look so much alike, that they look like they could be mother/daughter or sisters.

RJLCyberPunk
April 3rd, 2012, 07:23 PM
There's no indication that the woman Regina referred too as her mother was a Stepmother by any stretch of the imagination.

Ian-S
April 9th, 2012, 09:52 AM
I love the Evil Queen's fairy tale land outfits, they're so pretty/elegant.


They're so revealing you mean ;)

Mrja84
April 10th, 2012, 07:27 AM
They're so revealing you mean ;)

I didn't even notice anything like that. So I don't think that was blatantly obvious, but maybe i need another look.

Darren
April 15th, 2012, 03:31 PM
OUAT is really turning into a treat. It's one of the few shows on right now that I think about when it's not on and look forward to the next episode.

The girl who played young Snow did an amazing job -- I have a hard time believing the actresses are not related!

Theory on August ...
I do like the theory that he is Henry grown up. His interest in the book pointed somewhat in this direction, but this week note that he seemed to feel pins and needles when he went to the town border at the t(r)oll bridge. People from FTL apparently can't leave town -- and Henry is biologically related to FTL people. So maybe he can come and go from Storybrooke, but it's painful to pass through the border.

Presuming that Emma can still come and go at will (she didn't feel anything when she first arrived), it may point to Henry's biological father being from FTL.

How can August be Henry? I wonder if time is still actually stopped in Storybrooke but passing outside the town. So at some point Henry leaves the town, grows up, and comes back on a mission. (The only thing that makes me doubt this is that if Emma left now she'd realize that 20 years have gone by ... which may be overly limiting on future story possibilities.)

jeri
April 15th, 2012, 10:02 PM
OUAT is really turning into a treat. It's one of the few shows on right now that I think about when it's not on and look forward to the next episode.

The girl who played young Snow did an amazing job -- I have a hard time believing the actresses are not related!

Theory on August ...
I do like the theory that he is Henry grown up. His interest in the book pointed somewhat in this direction, but this week note that he seemed to feel pins and needles when he went to the town border at the t(r)oll bridge. People from FTL apparently can't leave town -- and Henry is biologically related to FTL people. So maybe he can come and go from Storybrooke, but it's painful to pass through the border.

Presuming that Emma can still come and go at will (she didn't feel anything when she first arrived), it may point to Henry's biological father being from FTL.

How can August be Henry? I wonder if time is still actually stopped in Storybrooke but passing outside the town. So at some point Henry leaves the town, grows up, and comes back on a mission. (The only thing that makes me doubt this is that if Emma left now she'd realize that 20 years have gone by ... which may be overly limiting on future story possibilities.)

Yes, the two Snow actresses were strikingly alike! They must have been crazy about finding that youngster.
I like your theory on Augustbeing Henry growing up. I noticed that "shin splint" thing and wondered what that could mean. It seems we had better pay close attention to detail with this show. :D Time had stopped in SB until Emma showed up, so time was passing differently in the outside world; Emma grew up, her parents stayed the same age. Although time has begun to pass in SB, it may still be different than the outside world. Is Emma is now under the effects of the curse, by staying in SB?

jeri
April 15th, 2012, 10:35 PM
Haha! I'm back amending my thoughts. Henry grew up in SB, no one else did,
so if Emma is now effected by the curse, maybe it's because of her arrival has changed things. Does she now have power to effect the nature of the curse before she will eventually break it? Mr. Gold has told her she has more power than she knows. I assume Mr. G's idea of power is different than ours. Or maybe she is a catalyst for all to come together and realize who they are and the knowledge breaks the curse.
this is a fun show, it keeps me guessing! :)

tomstone
April 15th, 2012, 11:55 PM
Haha! I'm back amending my thoughts. Henry grew up in SB, no one else did,
so if Emma is now effected by the curse, maybe it's because of her arrival has changed things. Does she now have power to effect the nature of the curse before she will eventually break it? Mr. Gold has told her she has more power than she knows. I assume Mr. G's idea of power is different than ours. Or maybe she is a catalyst for all to come together and realize who they are and the knowledge breaks the curse.
this is a fun show, it keeps me guessing! :)

There is no telling if Emma is still save from the Curse. Every time so far when she somewhat tried to leave, she was always hinderd from it and quite conveniently always before the Storybrook Border. Henry is free to come and go since his Dad is from the real World.

As for your curse theory
Emma should certainly have the magic to break the Curse, the question is what she needs to do. Remember Rumpel collecting a sample of Charmings and Snows Hair in order to bottle up true love? Emma is a child of true love and we all know that it can break any curse. Pretty Cheesy, but it would be very Disney to go that route. :D

Baron Of Hell
January 8th, 2015, 03:04 PM
Hmmm so if the one lady is still alive who's heart was in the box. They said it had her DNA which I guess means it belonged to someone she was related to, Midas maybe?

Glad to see the evil queen has a reason to hate Snow. Sad to see the reason is rather silly. Sure she should be mad a first but reason should have told her she can't blame a kid for being a kid. Her mother is the only one really at fault.

garhkal
January 10th, 2015, 09:43 PM
In Storybrooke, people can live without their hearts. Didn't queeny put David's in a box or something? Without a heart just means without love.

and yes, thngs are all coming to a head. what? 3 more left??

And as we learn later on, can be used to control someone/speak through them (by the heart holder).. It also gives you immunity to being affected by certain magics so it seems.

I really need to find somewhere to rewatch all the early eps..