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GateWorld
March 9th, 2012, 01:10 PM
<DIV ALIGN="center"><TABLE WIDTH="450" BORDER="0" CELLSPACING="0" CELLPADDING="7"><TR><TD STYLE="border: none;"><DIV ALIGN="left"><FONT FACE="Verdana, Arial, san-serif" SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000"><A HREF="http://www.scifistream.com/once-upon-a-time/s1/hat-trick/"><IMG SRC="http://www.scifistream.com/wp-content/uploads/hat-trick-160x120.jpg" WIDTH="160" HEIGHT="120" ALIGN="right" HSPACE="10" VSPACE="2" BORDER="0" STYLE="border: 1px black solid;" ALT="Visit the Episode Guide"></A><FONT SIZE="1" COLOR="#888888">ONCE UPON A TIME - SEASON ONE</FONT>
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<FONT SIZE="1">EPISODE NUMBER - 117</FONT>
<DIV STYLE="margin-top:10px; padding:0;">While searching for an escaped prisoner Emma is kidnapped by an unstable man with a troubled past in the fairy tale world. Meanwhile, the Evil Queen manipulates a man into taking her to Wonderland to steal from the Queen of Hearts.</DIV>
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mathpiglet
March 25th, 2012, 05:23 PM
What a Stargate moment!

I guess I was the first to see this episode!

Skydiver
March 25th, 2012, 05:47 PM
I'm watching it right now

in fact, it's not over for another 14 minutes

Skydiver
March 25th, 2012, 05:50 PM
and snow white kicks tushie :)

Skydiver
March 25th, 2012, 06:12 PM
s, all in all this didn't accomplish much beyond proving that Regina will do anything to get even with snow. To the point of making a deal with mr gold.

Although we do have the plot revelation that Emma is starting to believe and is starting to use Henry's book as a source.

Next week's though....looks really, really juicy. We finally learn what snow did to regina...or what snow did that regina hates.

Erin
March 25th, 2012, 06:28 PM
So besides having Beckett in this episode what was the Stargate mirror thingy people were talking about!? i didn't see anything

Skydiver
March 25th, 2012, 06:35 PM
unless it was the jumping through a vortex thingie

SGalisa
March 25th, 2012, 08:29 PM
So besides having Beckett in this episode what was the Stargate mirror thingy people were talking about!? i didn't see anything


unless it was the jumping through a vortex thingie

I got the impression it was both the hat and walking thru the mirror (poking finger into the invisible dimension to the other side/realm of reality).

on another note... while when Regina and Jefferson did go off to wonderland --- the little path they seemed to embark upon was yellowish?? follow the yellow brick road?? :p
OZ. :D
so... the mad hatter knows about Emma being the key to rescuing everyone back into their own world, and now he's been thrown back in "wonderland"..? did the breaking window become sort of the transporter mirror along with the hat Emma created to crossing back over into the Queen of Hearts territory? If he is now back there and imprisoned there, it's gonna take a miracle from Emma to bring the Mad Hatter/Jefferson rightfully back to his daughter in his own, original FTL world, instead of "wonderland."

If so, then the knowledge he explained to Emma about multiple worlds co-existing side-by-side could explain why the stories seem to also include more than just nursery tale rhymes and fairy-tale land types of stories, and why he is the only other person so far in Storybrooke, besides the writer, who knows the truth of who Emma is and what the town itself means in contrast to FTL.

Also, is Mr. Gold really on Regina's side, or is he just playing her for time. I think if he is truly playing double agent and ever finds out about Belle, he would turn against Regina in a heartbeat! ;)

Skydiver
March 25th, 2012, 08:43 PM
There's a reason the queen of hearts was veiled and I don't think we've seen the last of her.
I also think it has something to do with Regina's cache of hearts in boxes.

Skydiver
March 25th, 2012, 08:43 PM
There's a reason the queen of hearts was veiled and I don't think we've seen the last of her.
I also think it has something to do with Regina's cache of hearts in boxes.

loserinc
March 25th, 2012, 09:51 PM
Another awesome episode. I think I'm addicted to this show now.

*sigh* highlight of the evening... having my entire family stare at me like I was nuts as I yell "OMG! BECKETT!!!"

jeri
March 26th, 2012, 10:16 AM
Another awesome episode. I think I'm addicted to this show now.

*sigh* highlight of the evening... having my entire family stare at me like I was nuts as I yell "OMG! BECKETT!!!"
:lol: I did the same thing! I was so happy to see him. When Jefferson first put his hand into the mirror, (Looking Glass) it did look like a Stargate puddle! :D And then they run into Paul McGillion on the other side! :D

mathpiglet
March 26th, 2012, 11:09 AM
It was the puddle which got me!

Mrja84
March 27th, 2012, 12:44 PM
I loved this episode. I think it was because Mary Margaret believes in magic (and/or she's Emma's mother) that the hat worked. I think he fell on top of the hat after being kicked and went to some other world Wonderland? Hat Hub area? FairyTale Land?

Since Regina said they had a deal, I'm guessing that Gold will not turn on her since he does honor his agreements even if sometimes it's a roundabout way.

Could she be using Belle's Storybrooke persona as leverage on him? (A trade?)

Ian-S
March 28th, 2012, 03:32 AM
There's a reason the queen of hearts was veiled and I don't think we've seen the last of her.
I also think it has something to do with Regina's cache of hearts in boxes.

Aye, Queen of Hearts is Regina's twin maybe? or doppelgänger etc?

Maybe the deal is stitch up Snow and I'll tell you where Belle is?

Skydiver
March 28th, 2012, 04:08 AM
I dunno about that. If gold knew regina had belle locked up I don't think he'd bargain. If he were to know that regina lied to him and made him think his love was dead, he'd smack regina down.

jeri
March 28th, 2012, 10:21 AM
I dunno about that. If gold knew regina had belle locked up I don't think he'd bargain. If he were to know that regina lied to him and made him think his love was dead, he'd smack regina down.

Yeah, I think he'd lose it, remember he can swing that cane awfully well! I'm sure Gold has some crafty twist in mind. He's no friend of Regina's. Regina thinks she's the smartest and most powerful so she might be conceitedly walking into Gold's trap.

Mrja84
March 28th, 2012, 02:22 PM
Well first, I think if there was such a deal, we wouldn't be sitting around guessing. They would have made it obvious to us.

Mr. Gold was way too relax if something precious to him was on the line. But still, he's got a deal with Regina to have Snow lose her case? Be outcasted?

Even though Mr. Gold said he was invested in Snow's future. Snow already had Emma so what else is needed to break the curse? Or is Snow needed so Mr. Gold can gain more power?

Ian-S
March 29th, 2012, 07:11 PM
Regina is a manipulative cow, of course she's not going to say "I've got your girlfriend locked up, do this for me and I'll let her go", that would most definitely have Gold swinging the cane at her....

But.... approaching him and giving him just enough information to get his interest would maybe save her from the cane, something like "I want to do a deal" - Gold: "no chance your highness" - Regina: "Oh that's a shame, cos you must remember your girlfriend, like everybody else, I'm pretty sure she came to this world too, you know, if we do a deal, I could tell you her name...".

This tells him she knows info, but doesn't tell him enough, so he does a deal etc. If he only thinks it's patchy information Regina has, he's not going to beat it out of her, he tried it with Bella's dad only to find out he didn't know anything...

Of course, it's probably just a you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours "favour" kind of deal like he has with Emma.

Edit: Actually, scrub that, the curse would take care of it, if he had any hint that Regina knew where Bella was, all he'd have to do is say "Please tell me where my girlfriend is" and Regina would be compelled to tell/show him.

So back to the "favour" theory....

Mrja84
March 30th, 2012, 07:55 AM
Of course, it's probably just a you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours "favour" kind of deal like he has with Emma.

So back to the "favour" theory....

I don't think that's true. He already can have any deal he wants by saying "please". And now she knows he knows his identity. So what's stopping him from going full-blown "please do this", "please say this", etc.?

Effectively, he made a deal with her to control her whenever he wants. Game Over he's the true villain.

Artemis-Neith
March 30th, 2012, 09:14 AM
I don't think that's true. He already can have any deal he wants by saying "please". And now she knows he knows his identity. So what's stopping him from going full-blown "please do this", "please say this", etc.?

Effectively, he made a deal with her to control her whenever he wants. Game Over he's the true villain.

Maybe it's a question about not overusing magic. To say "please" and get what is wanted is using magic, and as we've learned all magic comes with a price. As long as it is possible to get what is wanted without using magic the better. And to outwit Regina is not the hardest thing to do, she is clever, but not clever enough to stay calm through five or more moves ahead, like Rumple with his several hundrets of years is able to do, and has done, who knows how often. That does of course not mean he's unbeatable, he has his waek points.
If it comes to the question who's the king of the chess board, I'd say it's not the queen. But the king has to play very clever, cos the queen is not that bad as well.

nebulan
March 30th, 2012, 11:59 AM
Gold may not be as powerful as Regina in Storybrooke, but I think, even when he's playing like things aren't going as planned, he's one step ahead. He's totally got a Xanatos complex, hehe.

Question, is Wonderland inside of the sphere of Regina's curse? I want to say no, it's another parallel world (how did Jefferson describe it?) not the same as fairy tale land. So... if it's not within the sphere of Regina's curse... how did Jefferson get pulled into Storybrooke? Last we saw him he was dismembered in Wonderland. Did he get back to fairytaleland in one piece before the curse was enacted? was it because he was from fairytaleland that got pulled and the curse put him back together so that he could live in Storybrooke? Or maybe some time between "Hat Trick" and the curse he found his way back to Wonderland in one piece? or was Wonderland affected by the curse? I wouldn't mind seeing Paul McGillion some more!! :D

(oh, and by the way, I'm so happy they canonized evil queen's name as Regina... makes things easier!)

Mrja84
March 31st, 2012, 02:18 PM
Gold may not be as powerful as Regina in Storybrooke, but I think, even when he's playing like things aren't going as planned, he's one step ahead. He's totally got a Xanatos complex, hehe.

Question, is Wonderland inside of the sphere of Regina's curse? I want to say no, it's another parallel world (how did Jefferson describe it?) not the same as fairy tale land. So... if it's not within the sphere of Regina's curse... how did Jefferson get pulled into Storybrooke? Last we saw him he was dismembered in Wonderland. Did he get back to fairytaleland in one piece before the curse was enacted? was it because he was from fairytaleland that got pulled and the curse put him back together so that he could live in Storybrooke? Or maybe some time between "Hat Trick" and the curse he found his way back to Wonderland in one piece? or was Wonderland affected by the curse? I wouldn't mind seeing Paul McGillion some more!! :D

(oh, and by the way, I'm so happy they canonized evil queen's name as Regina... makes things easier!)

Why would she have a different name? She's still the same person. The curse was for her benefit and everyone else's expense (except Gold as he's rich and has power over Regina).

I think Regina's curse was for certain people? Obviously not the whole world of Fairytale land as that wouldn't fit in a town like Storybrooke. But I think the curse was to target certain people and wisk them away.

Of course, not all the FT characters we've seen interact with the queen...

jeri
March 31st, 2012, 02:28 PM
I think Regina is so miserable that she gets off on making everyone else miserable too. She is enjoying having her secret over Gold not knowing about Belle. If she can't have her true love, no one else will. I think it would take some high stakes to make her reveal to him Belle's existence.

jeri
March 31st, 2012, 02:36 PM
Maybe it's a question about not overusing magic. To say "please" and get what is wanted is using magic, and as we've learned all magic comes with a price. As long as it is possible to get what is wanted without using magic the better. And to outwit Regina is not the hardest thing to do, she is clever, but not clever enough to stay calm through five or more moves ahead, like Rumple with his several hundrets of years is able to do, and has done, who knows how often. That does of course not mean he's unbeatable, he has his waek points.
If it comes to the question who's the king of the chess board, I'd say it's not the queen. But the king has to play very clever, cos the queen is not that bad as well.

Yes, it's a chess game between them. Rumple/Gold has a long term plan in play with the curse. If he is so old, he should be a master at predicting people's actions, reactions and emotions by now. It's like he's letting Regina run to the end of her tether and she will get caught up in her own mess. I wonder if all magic has a price, Rumple can only do so much himself without effecting himself or his loved ones; Belle and his son? So perhaps Rumple must let others do things that he might manipulate slightly without magic to make his long term plan work out.

Mrja84
April 2nd, 2012, 09:18 AM
Yes, it's a chess game between them. Rumple/Gold has a long term plan in play with the curse. If he is so old, he should be a master at predicting people's actions, reactions and emotions by now.

What makes you think he is "so old"? Rumple seems to still be living in the same period he was in before becoming cursed as the Dark One. Time only started back up once Emma came to Storybrooke...so yeah I'm not sure.

I would also like to know more about that curse and how it got started.

jeri
April 2nd, 2012, 11:22 AM
What makes you think he is "so old"? Rumple seems to still be living in the same period he was in before becoming cursed as the Dark One. Time only started back up once Emma came to Storybrooke...so yeah I'm not sure.

I would also like to know more about that curse and how it got started.

Robert Carlyle said that Rumple is 100's of years old. Not sure if that has been said outright in the show. But it makes sense if you follow that Rumple seemingly has made deals with so many at different times in FTL. The flashback's in FTL are taking place at various time periods there.

So what we know so far is that the Evil Queen, (who we now know has the same name, Regina, in both worlds), got the curse from Rumple, but we don't know if he made it or procured it from someone else.

Mrja84
April 3rd, 2012, 10:20 AM
Robert Carlyle said that Rumple is 100's of years old. Not sure if that has been said outright in the show. But it makes sense if you follow that Rumple seemingly has made deals with so many at different times in FTL. The flashback's in FTL are taking place at various time periods there.

So far all the characters that Rumple messed with in FTL are present in Storybrooke. He even talked to Belle about his son and she encouraged him to find him. He didn't say that he lived so long his son is dead.

I find it hard to believe that he is hundreds of years old. So far, I haven't caught any mention of it in the episodes. Robert may just be stating how he thinks of the character, but that doesn't mean it's true in terms of the story.


So what we know so far is that the Evil Queen, (who we now know has the same name, Regina, in both worlds), got the curse from Rumple, but we don't know if he made it or procured it from someone else.

I was actually talking about his curse of being the Dark One not the curse that affects everyone in town.

VampyreWraith
April 3rd, 2012, 07:06 PM
I watched this episode again today. I really liked Jefferson, I hope we see him again, and that he somehow gets reunited with his daughter.

And now for a completly non-story related and somewhat shallow observation: the guy playing the Mad Hatter/Jefferson, has really pretty eyes(I really felt like mentioning that lol).

http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af131/VampyreWraith007/OUAT/th_OUAT-EQ7.jpg (http://s1001.photobucket.com/albums/af131/VampyreWraith007/OUAT/?action=view&current=OUAT-EQ7.jpg)

carmencatalina
April 4th, 2012, 09:19 AM
We do know that Rumple is "older" than he seems - in "That Still Small Voice", he appears exactly as he does in the final moments before the curse takes everyone out of Fairy Tale Land, and yet the events of that episode had to have happened at least 50 years prior, since Geppetto is a little boy in that episode (at the end when he sees his parents have been turned into puppets), but is a man of at least 60 when he builds the "magic wardrobe" that baby Snow White is placed in (played by our own Stargate favorite, Tony Amendola).

So no aging in at least 50 years.

Mrja84
April 4th, 2012, 01:55 PM
We do know that Rumple is "older" than he seems - in "That Still Small Voice", he appears exactly as he does in the final moments before the curse takes everyone out of Fairy Tale Land, and yet the events of that episode had to have happened at least 50 years prior, since Geppetto is a little boy in that episode (at the end when he sees his parents have been turned into puppets), but is a man of at least 60 when he builds the "magic wardrobe" that baby Snow White is placed in (played by our own Stargate favorite, Tony Amendola)

That's a good point...still it could be possible for him to time travel...guess I'm still holding onto that theory. But from interviews by RC and Jane Espenson, it seems he has a long life.

Speaking of Jane Espenson, anyone noticed the Scythe from Buffy in Rumple's mansion? Abet in a different color.