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March 5th, 2012, 01:12 PM
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<DIV STYLE="margin-top:10px; padding:0;">Rick and Carl seek shelter as the farm is besieged by a huge herd of walkers, and the group is fractured. Andrea fights to survive alone in the woods, and a revelation causes the group to question Rick's leadership.</DIV>
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Homer 120
March 19th, 2012, 05:29 AM
Terrific finale on all fronts! Herchel with a shotgun defending his home at any cost was heartbreaking when Rick told him that it wasn't his home anymore. One of the best finales I have seen in a long time! The action in the episode should keep the complainers at bay, probably not, but still.

10/10

6 votes for Awful, seriously?! HOW COULD YOU SAY THIS FINALE WAS AWFUL?!? The poll on SpoilerTV.

mr_kennedy
March 19th, 2012, 06:28 AM
IMDB is even worse its gotten a 5.8 vote, atleast ign gave it a 9 :)
I called it :lol: a couple of episodes ago Lori asks Rick to kill Shane, and when he finally did she treats him like a monster lol she is a *****

Another thing i called was who was gonna survive to the next season, the only person i was wrong about was Maggie's sister, i thought only Maggie and Herchel would survive (from the farm)

Even tho i called it that Herchel would survive, i was still relieved when rick came to his rescue, my reasons for thinking that herchel would survive were mainly because of dales death, i think he will became the morale compass of the group

magictrick
March 19th, 2012, 06:58 AM
I don't understand how the other characters are hating on Rick in this episode. Especially Lori, wow she is just awful here. Lost so much respect. The guy gets them out alive under pressure and all they do is complain. The speech he gave at the end was awesome too. Welcome to the Rickstatorship, I hope its awesome.

My favourite part was the new mystery character that saves Andrea's life. And two walkers on chains? That's just crazy.

Steelbox
March 19th, 2012, 07:18 AM
My favourite part was the new mystery character that saves Andrea's life. And two walkers on chains? That's just crazy.
Let me introduce you two, magic, Michonne, Michonne, magic.


IMDB is even worse its gotten a 5.8 vote, atleast ign gave it a 9 :)
I called it :lol: a couple of episodes ago Lori asks Rick to kill Shane, and when he finally did she treats him like a monster lol she is a *****

Another thing i called was who was gonna survive to the next season, the only person i was wrong about was Maggie's sister, i thought only Maggie and Herchel would survive (from the farm)

Even tho i called it that Herchel would survive, i was still relieved when rick came to his rescue, my reasons for thinking that herchel would survive were mainly because of dales death, i think he will became the morale compass of the group

14 votes for 10, 1 for 9,8 and 7 and 1 troll voted as 1 star episode. Simply awesome episode. Lori is one char that i don't like. She can die next episode i don't care, in fact i would like.

DigiFluid
March 19th, 2012, 08:59 AM
Oh fantastic! The defense and fall of the farm were amazing, everyone scattering to the wind--a bit brief, but also awesome. Finally introducing Michonne, awesome. Rick going all self-righteous jerk just like he did for a while in the comics, awesome. The final reveal of the prison, awesome!


Only complaint: Lori. Really? After practically begging Rick to kill Shane an episode or two ago, now you're going to get all mad when he does it in self-defense?! Please hurry up and die, you stupid twit!

Gen. Chris
March 19th, 2012, 10:05 AM
Oh fantastic! The defense and fall of the farm were amazing, everyone scattering to the wind--a bit brief, but also awesome. Finally introducing Michonne, awesome. Rick going all self-righteous jerk just like he did for a while in the comics, awesome. The final reveal of the prison, awesome!


Only complaint: Lori. Really? After practically begging Rick to kill Shane an episode or two ago, now you're going to get all mad when he does it in self-defense?! Please hurry up and die, you stupid twit!

My theory is that she was more horrified by the fact that Carl put down Walker Shane...

squirrely1
March 19th, 2012, 05:59 PM
I agree awesome ep :D :D I also loved the new mystery character who saved Andrea... and that Katana... now that person had right idea *giggles* I would imagine they are keeping the walkers with them to throw off his/her scent from the other walkers and notice they had their arms cut off and it looked like their mouths chained? :S WOnder what he feeds his pets? :eek: :confused: :P

I suspect that Lori was more horrified at Rick because Carl was there and like Gen. Chris said had to put Shane down. I guess she's thinking OMG now my husband is teaching my son to be a killer? :S But oh well ....harsh times call for harsh measures :S I'm a bit concerned about the Ricktatorship (good one Magictrick ;) ) because while I think it's necessary to have someone strong in charge...and with a group like that you can't committee everything to death cuz there is simply no time to do that...still I think there needs to be some process because I think the group needs to feel they have some input. That would be no way to live and I would suspect they will get tired of that real quick.

Yeah couldn't tell if that was a prison or a fort of some sort but it looks like most of you all say it's a prison. AWESOME...that's gonna come in handy ;) :D

DigiFluid
March 19th, 2012, 06:26 PM
I agree awesome ep :D :D I also loved the new mystery character who saved Andrea... and that Katana... now that person had right idea *giggles* I would imagine they are keeping the walkers with them to throw off his/her scent from the other walkers and notice they had their arms cut off and it looked like their mouths chained? :S WOnder what he feeds his pets? :eek: :confused: :P
She. Her name is Michonne :)

And she doesn't feed her pets....it's in the comics but I notice they did the same in last night's episode--her walkers have no arms and no lower jaw. Nothing to scratch or bite with :D

Gen. Chris
March 19th, 2012, 08:28 PM
She. Her name is Michonne :)

And she doesn't feed her pets....it's in the comics but I notice they did the same in last night's episode--her walkers have no arms and no lower jaw. Nothing to scratch or bite with :D

Couldn't they theoretically drag their upper jaw on someone? :P

VampyreWraith
March 20th, 2012, 01:02 PM
I loved the episode, loved Andrea, and thought the new characer that saved her looked cool. Loved Rick's little speech towards the end too.

I need to vent about my issues with Lori for a bit here lol.

I lol'd at the beginning when Lori was looking for Carl(I couldn't help it). She just noticed Carl was missing again? The least she could do is keep a better eye on her kid, but I guess she had to look incompetent in order for Carl to to have been able to shoot zombieShane last episode. If Lori was upset, about Carl shooting Shane, she really can't blame Rick for that, she was the one who was supposed to be watching him(but I guess it would be typical of her to pass off the blame).

Her character is always all over the place (IMO), and thats why I don't like her. I can never tell if she's being sincere or if she's trying to be manipulative(or just being manipulative but not really realizing it herself). A few episodes back, when she was telling Rick that she was afraid of Shane, I couldn't tell if she was really afraid of him, or just afraid of her feelings for him, and the guilt she had over thoose feelings. Is her character really supposed to be like that(where it's hard to tell if she is sincere) or is it just me not seeing her the right way? Right now she's the only character I don't like.

The Flyattractor
March 20th, 2012, 02:16 PM
I loved the episode, loved Andrea, and thought the new characer that saved her looked cool. Loved Rick's little speech towards the end too.

I need to vent about my issues with Lori for a bit here lol.

I lol'd at the beginning when Lori was looking for Carl(I couldn't help it). She just noticed Carl was missing again? The least she could do is keep a better eye on her kid, but I guess she had to look incompetent in order for Carl to to have been able to shoot zombieShane last episode. If Lori was upset, about Carl shooting Shane, she really can't blame Rick for that, she was the one who was supposed to be watching him(but I guess it would be typical of her to pass off the blame).

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Yeah. Its like what the 3rd time he just wandred off this 2nd part of the season..
Its like hello! Zombie Apooc here. Keep your kid on a leash for CrizzSake!!

VampyreWraith
March 20th, 2012, 03:32 PM
Yeah. Its like what the 3rd time he just wandred off this 2nd part of the season..
Its like hello! Zombie Apooc here. Keep your kid on a leash for CrizzSake!!

Yeah, no one ever seems to notice that Carl keeps wandering off. It looks like he's allowed to wander about for long periods of time with no one seeming to notice or care. This last time he was in the house with Lori, and she managed to loose track of him. There can't possibly be that much laundry and cooking that she needs to do herself that she can't find the time to look in on what Carl is doing. One would think that looking after her child would be the priority during a zombie apocolypse(not to mention that one of the reasons they were all in house, was that there supposedly was a dangerous person on the loose, who might lead his even more dangerous friends to the farm if he was able to get to them).

mr_kennedy
March 20th, 2012, 05:40 PM
You would have thought that she would have learnt from sofia.... keep an eye on your kid for frak sake...... or he could end up exactly like her or worse inadvertently cause someone's else death (i'm looking at you dale)


Let me introduce you two, magic, Michonne, Michonne, magic.



14 votes for 10, 1 for 9,8 and 7 and 1 troll voted as 1 star episode. Simply awesome episode. Lori is one char that i don't like. She can die next episode i don't care, in fact i would like.

I'm one of the ones that rated it a 10, it's better now it was like a 5.8 or something i'm like what?.... but it's rated a 9 now which is good :D

As for Lori i'm hoping she doesnt make it past season 3 aswell, but i think thats too much to ask for

VampyreWraith
March 20th, 2012, 05:45 PM
^ I rated it a 9 :)

mr_kennedy
March 20th, 2012, 05:51 PM
^ I rated it a 9 :)

I almost did.... just because of the slow start, but it was cool too just abit slow

squirrely1
March 20th, 2012, 06:15 PM
She. Her name is Michonne :)

And she doesn't feed her pets....it's in the comics but I notice they did the same in last night's episode--her walkers have no arms and no lower jaw. Nothing to scratch or bite with :D

OH yeah I read that in the other thread with the spoilers :S I will say.... I'm not too thrilled with who they cast for that character...it seemed like it was going to be a pretty awesome character and well if it is who you said in the other thread then I"m not impressed. :S that actress was in True Blood and while I think she was a good actress....she was kind of annoying and I think we already have enough annoying people ....namely Lori

As for the whole Lori thing with Carl... well I blame faulty writing...it's typical horror silly writing that is only there to set up the next frightening plot element...like when the stupid blonde goes into a dark room unarmed saying...hello? Hello? knowing there is a killer on the loose hiding :weiranime33: So yeah Imean if you don't have characters doing stupid things then you don't have these scenarios for horrible things to happen to them. I use to applaud this show that they didn't do such silly things but there has been some of that this season unfortunately IMO. But at least they picked the silly kid and absent minded mom to show that.... that is why those characters are annoying because we expect so much from them now and when they do stupid stuff you are like... OMG why did you do that? :mckay:

DigiFluid
March 20th, 2012, 06:17 PM
OH yeah I read that in the other thread with the spoilers :S I will say.... I'm not too thrilled with who they cast for that character...it seemed like it was going to be a pretty awesome character and well if it is who you said in the other thread then I"m not impressed. :S that actress was in True Blood and while I think she was a good actress....she was kind of annoying and I think we already have enough annoying people ....namely Lori
Uh....go re-read what I said. I said they didn't cast Rutina Wesley :p

mr_kennedy
March 20th, 2012, 06:24 PM
OH yeah I read that in the other thread with the spoilers :S I will say.... I'm not too thrilled with who they cast for that character...it seemed like it was going to be a pretty awesome character and well if it is who you said in the other thread then I"m not impressed. :S that actress was in True Blood and while I think she was a good actress....she was kind of annoying and I think we already have enough annoying people ....namely Lori

As for the whole Lori thing with Carl... well I blame faulty writing...it's typical horror silly writing that is only there to set up the next frightening plot element...like when the stupid blonde goes into a dark room unarmed saying...hello? Hello? knowing there is a killer on the loose hiding :weiranime33: So yeah Imean if you don't have characters doing stupid things then you don't have these scenarios for horrible things to happen to them. I use to applaud this show that they didn't do such silly things but there has been some of that this season unfortunately IMO. But at least they picked the silly kid and absent minded mom to show that.... that is why those characters are annoying because we expect so much from them now and when they do stupid stuff you are like... OMG why did you do that? :mckay:


Uh....go re-read what I said. I said they didn't cast Rutina Wesley :p

Yep it's not Rutina Wesley, apparently she's returning in s5 :confused: This lady will be playing her instead (http://au.tv.ign.com/articles/122/1221063p1.html)

the fifth man
March 20th, 2012, 06:34 PM
What a great finale. From start to finish, it was amazing. Now the long wait for Season 3 begins.

DigiFluid
March 20th, 2012, 06:40 PM
What a great finale. From start to finish, it was amazing. Now the long wait for Season 3 begins.

I guess that's the silver lining of the stupid mid-season break. Now we only have a March-October wait, instead of January or so till October :)

squirrely1
March 20th, 2012, 08:19 PM
Uh....go re-read what I said. I said they didn't cast Rutina Wesley :p

oh geeze well then I looked at that wrong....I just don't want to be disappointed is all :S We're gonna need some EPIC characters to replace Shane and Dale IMO.

The Flyattractor
March 21st, 2012, 01:24 PM
The Mihonne character should fill one of those spots at least.

Wonder if they will have Andrea meet back up with the group and not have it be to conveluted.

Gen. Chris
March 21st, 2012, 05:50 PM
My dad loved the finale, but was so confused by the "three hooded figures" (he couldn't see it very well, he assumed the other two were hooded as well)

Pharaoh Atem
March 21st, 2012, 08:26 PM
What a great finale. From start to finish, it was amazing. Now the long wait for Season 3 begins.

amc said fall. thart;'s all we know right now

The Flyattractor
March 22nd, 2012, 02:07 PM
I wonder if they will try to cram the whole Prison story into 1 season or spread it out over 2 or 3?

Gen. Chris
March 22nd, 2012, 02:29 PM
Well the next season is scheduled to be 16 episodes...

Comic readers, without spoiling anything, is 16 episodes enough for the entire prison arc to be faithfully told?

squirrely1
March 22nd, 2012, 04:16 PM
I think saying "Prison story" is already spoiling things :S Not to be a spoiler phobe because I'm not....just saying some may not be too happy about that. Don't forget using the spoiler tags for such talk. Because I wasn't even sure it was a prison at the end there...to me it almost looked like some military fort or something. :confused:

Gen. Chris
March 22nd, 2012, 04:17 PM
Oh my bad... :S I'll edit it

DigiFluid
March 22nd, 2012, 04:22 PM
That's a little harder to judge than past story arcs...



Season 1 spanned basically the first story arc of the comics and a little bit into the second--they left the camp outside Atlanta in issue #8

They had a brief respite at a location that hasn't appeared on the show in issues 8 and 9 before they're forced to leave.

Issue #9 is essentially where Season 2 of the TV show begins, and they leave in Hershel's farm in issue #12.


So....the 8-issue Atlanta story taking up 6 episodes, and then the 4-issue farm spanning 13 episodes is a bit harder to jive/reconcile.

But the story centred around the [location seen at the end of the Season 2 finale] lasts much, much longer than any of the stories up to that point. They find the [location] at the end of issue #12, and don't leave until #48--36 issues in total.

I find myself wondering if 16 episodes will be enough to do that much storytelling....




edit; there, took it out. I thought it was pretty obvious what the structure at the end of the episode was, but in case not....

fumblesmcstupid
March 22nd, 2012, 07:06 PM
Poor Sara Wayne Callies.......back to prison she goes. Hopefully T-bag won't mess with T-dawg.

The Flyattractor
March 22nd, 2012, 07:38 PM
poor sara wayne callies.......back to prison she goes. Hopefully t-bag won't mess with t-dawg.

t m i!!!!

fumblesmcstupid
March 22nd, 2012, 07:44 PM
:wraithanime11:

squirrely1
March 22nd, 2012, 09:15 PM
Oh geeze :S I'm sorry I didn't mean to cause any ruckus about the spoiler thingy :S Just thought I would mention it...in case anyone was a spoiler phobe around here :S Like I said I'm ok with it... but you just never know who is lurking :eek: :P

tomstone
March 22nd, 2012, 10:43 PM
Oh geeze :S I'm sorry I didn't mean to cause any ruckus about the spoiler thingy :S Just thought I would mention it...in case anyone was a spoiler phobe around here :S Like I said I'm ok with it... but you just never know who is lurking :eek: :P

Wait? What? There are spoilers in this Thread? *running for my life* :D

@Topic: 16 Episodes certainly arent enough to cover that much Story.

DigiFluid
March 23rd, 2012, 12:34 PM
On the other hand: having to compress a ton of story theoretically means 'all killer no filler', so to speak.

The farm story, IMO, suffered a bit for having to stretch a mere 4 issues of story out across 13 hours of TV, apparently resulting in long stretches of not much happening. Contrarily with the upcoming story, that being the setting of 36 issues to be compressed into 16 episodes, while sure to involve trimming some comic stuff out, does have the benefit of having a ton of material to draw on to adapt.

Teddybrown
March 25th, 2012, 05:27 AM
Wow, just caught up with the Walking Dead as I missed the last 2 eps cause of my holiday, and Holy Frak!
No wonder this show is breaking all these records, its awesome!
Thought the two characters that died would be the ones to go... But I was starting to think one or two other characters might be chopped.
Interesting situation now with the hooded figure and Andrea, didnt notice the chained walkers so will need to rewatch that.
But wow, Lori was a jerk to Rick after he told her about Shane...
And the group were harsh on Rick...
Nice to see Daryl still respects Rick.
Interesting location for next season... Dont know what goes down there, question about it.
Is this where we meet the Governor on the prison?
Definately looking forward to season 3!

Linda06
March 27th, 2012, 12:19 PM
Glad the farm finally got overrun, it was dragging too much. Awesome finale though. For a sec there I thought Herschel was gonna stay and fight to the death. Glad he didn't, the group need him after losing Dale, they need a calming figure.

Rick was very harshly treated. I do agree that he shouldn't have kept the information about them all being infected to himself, the others had a right to know. But him killing Shane was gonna happen eventually, Shane was on a destructive path and he would have taken the others with him, but Lori's reaction? Wow, she really is an ass. Or maybe she planned it but hoped that it was rick that was killed. Why else would she have had that talk with Shane in the last ep. She knew he was unstable, must have known that would push him over the edge. Maybe she hoped they'd kill each other and she wouldn't have to worry about either of them again. Andrea was right when she told Lori a few home truths. I was surprised at the reaction of the others. It seems Dale and Herschel were the only ones that accepted ricks leadership.

They may not like it but they need a leader, someone to take charge. And I didn't see anyone else stepping up to the plate.

I thought Andrea was a goner there for a minute. Saved by some sword wielding dude. Wonder who that is. Hope she meets back up with the others eventually. And what was that in the background at the end. Sone kind of huge building? Laboratory? Be very interesting to find out. Can't wait till next season.

Oh and, please keep your idiot of a son on a leash next season so he doesn't go wandering off and getting someone else killed.

the fifth man
March 28th, 2012, 09:12 PM
Well the next season is scheduled to be 16 episodes...

Comic readers, without spoiling anything, is 16 episodes enough for the entire prison arc to be faithfully told?

A nice chunk of it, yes. But definitely not all. I don't see them stretching it out for more than next season though.

The Flyattractor
March 29th, 2012, 09:33 AM
A nice chunk of it, yes. But definitely not all. I don't see them stretching it out for more than next season though.

I would think that the next arc would be enough for probably 2 seasons at least even with 16 episodes next series.
And the producers would probably like to be able to use it for longer to save on costs.

DigiFluid
March 29th, 2012, 09:51 AM
Particularly since AMC hacked their budget down to nothing this year.

The Flyattractor
March 31st, 2012, 09:21 AM
Yeah I liked that part on Talking Dead where they creator/writer guys say how they wanted to go REAL BIG this season and AMC said "no".

...mmmmyeah feel the love

squirrely1
April 1st, 2012, 11:05 PM
So I guess good ratings has nothing to do with budget then? :confused: hmmmm yeah ....where is that love?

The Mighty 6 platoon
April 2nd, 2012, 05:40 AM
So I guess good ratings has nothing to do with budget then? :confused: hmmmm yeah ....where is that love?
It's a little more complex than that. AMC don't own a lot of their shows, and the show runners of stuff like Mad Men and Breaking Bad pushed for their shows to receive large budgets, and expensive deals, especially for Mad Men, which imo AMC got ripped off over. They had the leverage though that if they didn't get want they want, they'd go to another channel.

This trickled down to the Walking Dead, which is an AMC owned show, so they cut its budget to pay for the other shows.

Linda06
April 2nd, 2012, 11:29 AM
It's a little more complex than that. AMC don't own a lot of their shows, and the show runners of stuff like Mad Men and Breaking Bad pushed for their shows to receive large budgets, and expensive deals, especially for Mad Men, which imo AMC got ripped off over. They had the leverage though that if they didn't get want they want, they'd go to another channel.

This trickled down to the Walking Dead, which is an AMC owned show, so they cut its budget to pay for the other shows.

That sucks :(

the fifth man
April 2nd, 2012, 08:44 PM
Particularly since AMC hacked their budget down to nothing this year.

I sure hope they don't mess with it too much for Season 3.

Ukko
April 3rd, 2012, 02:09 AM
Lack of swords in a zombie apocalypse always bothered me. Its nice to finally see someone has the good sense to use one. Seriously, a sword should be a priority item in any zombie apocalypse survival pack.

squirrely1
April 3rd, 2012, 04:43 PM
It's a little more complex than that. AMC don't own a lot of their shows, and the show runners of stuff like Mad Men and Breaking Bad pushed for their shows to receive large budgets, and expensive deals, especially for Mad Men, which imo AMC got ripped off over. They had the leverage though that if they didn't get want they want, they'd go to another channel.

This trickled down to the Walking Dead, which is an AMC owned show, so they cut its budget to pay for the other shows.

thanks for elaborating. That really does suck too cuz it's like they are messing with a known good show with excellent ratings all for the sake of some new stuff that may flop. :S

DigiFluid
April 3rd, 2012, 05:43 PM
thanks for elaborating. That really does suck too cuz it's like they are messing with a known good show with excellent ratings all for the sake of some new stuff that may flop. :S
Erm...Mad Men started on AMC in 2007 and Breaking Bad in 2008, and both of them have been phenomenal critical and commercial successes. TWD didn't start until late 2010.

squirrely1
April 4th, 2012, 09:09 AM
Erm...Mad Men started on AMC in 2007 and Breaking Bad in 2008, and both of them have been phenomenal critical and commercial successes. TWD didn't start until late 2010.

oh *hee* :D Well as you can tell obviously other than TWD I really don't watch AMC much :P

DigiFluid
April 4th, 2012, 09:25 AM
Apparently...but one doesn't have to watch AMC to know about Mad Men and Breaking Bad :p

Still though, I think M6P has hit on the heart of it. MM and BB not being owned by AMC, but being so successful they had the leverage over the network. Matthew Weiner (the guy running MM) managed to get a big raise for everyone as well as a season 5 and 6 renewal with strong possibility of an additional one after that. And when it was Breaking Bad's time for renewal talks, they threatened to walk away from AMC and go to another network if their demands weren't met.

The trickle-down effect has really negatively impacted TWD. I've heard that the budget cut for Season 2 was in the neighbourhood of 75%--which is all the more, considering S2 was twice as long as Season 1!

I don't really think it's MM/BB's fault directly. Their responsibility (and rightly so) is to their own shows and their own crews; and these days, managing to finagle a multiple-season renewal with a large raise for everyone is something that should be applauded rather than condemned.

But I'm quite content with pointing the blame at AMC for not having more capable contract negotiators.

The Flyattractor
April 5th, 2012, 07:57 PM
I blame the Killing and Rubicon.

squirrely1
April 6th, 2012, 12:06 AM
I blame the walkers :S It cost too much money to recreate an actual walker...now if they were to just hire real zombies well then problem solved ;) :D And since they are actually really dead....and they don't need house, food, healthcare etc to live well then their contract would be next to nothing ...hence more money all around :P

cosmichobo
April 27th, 2012, 07:48 AM
Woot! Nah, I am not someone who says woot...

Um... Wowwee!

What a great season finale...

Action packed shoot out at the farm, burning down the barn, killing off some farm-folk, scattering everyone to the winds...

(Would have been much better if they'd used more time during the season to better introduce all the farm occupants, then kill some of them off, so we could have a chance to give a darn when they are eaten... instead of so much time on Lori's 3way... and ultimately all that time on Sophia...)

Really was expecting Hershel to die saving his farm, especially after it was foreshadowed by his "I'll die here" comment. I do hope they develop his "other" daughter further next season, as so far all I feel she's done is faint and spend an episode or 2 in bed.

It would have been better if they could have spent some more time on the fleeing/being apart thread, as it felt very rushed, and way too contrived when they all just rolled back in together just as Rick was considering leaving the highway.

Andrea's plight was awful... left for dead, no one looking for her (understandably, but still)... Not being a reader of the comic, I had no idea what to expect, so thought she was finally going to get the bite... But no! A fascinating new character! Loved the 2 zombies in tow... though whilst I did notice the lack of arms, I couldn't make out that the jaws were missing... and am assuming they undergo some training before being lead around like that - or else they would surely still attempt to fang their leader...

(Expecting this is not the case, but at first thought it may have been someone from Randall's group... Was actually a bit irked that no one ran into them when they were all fleeing, even if it was just seeing them also being caught up in the swarm)

The news that they are all carriers of the virus is just so chilling... After the questions being raised in the previous few episodes (ie Randall, then Shane both resurrecting without bites), I was really wondering what was going on; a case of bad continuity, that the non-bit would now resurrect... or (as it panned out) was there some explanation...

Which brings us to Rick... Poor old Rick... and character motives...

Actually - before I watched this episode tonight, I watched The Evil Dead. Now there's a movie with really bad writing for character believability. And not just a matter of "Oh no don't go in there" etc... Just pure crap writing in terms of what characters are doing, how they respond to a situation... IE After watching his sister turned into a zombie, Ash sits on the sofa while Scott goes to investigate a scream...

But back to TWD...

Rick reveals to Lori that he killed Shane... and yes, her reaction is just wrong. I can only guess that the script editor changed... several times... during the first 2 seasons of the show... She is all over the place, and it's getting to be a real killer for the show. It could have easily been fixed up with just a few little scenes here or there, giving us some genuine insight into Lori's head... Maybe it's baby-brain...

To The Comic Readers

How much more after the [next major set location] is there to tell? Is the comic still in progress?

Given that AMC pushed the producers/writers to keep this season on the farm, I could imagine the [next location] being used for at LEAST 1 season... But unless there is enough diversity, I think they'd worry that keeping it there for a 2nd season may turn viewers off. That said of course, money talks, and if they spend a lot of money on [the next location], then maybe they will go for 2 seasons... Certainly couldn't imagine them doing 3...

It will be very interesting to see how the ratings go next season - whether they start to wane or not... Hopefully the change of scenery will help maintain interest, and some new characters too, but something like this more than other tv shows will really have to push itself to avoid cancellation...

And who are flying those darn helicopters! (No, I don't want to be told here :) )

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660 words... gee, if I fleshed this out a bit more, I could hand it in (if I was still studying film/tv at uni)