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Bagpuss
November 3rd, 2011, 03:25 AM
Previously titled "Not Fade Away".

Episode Synopsis :

From the CW: As Sam and Dean race the clock on a high-stakes mission, Bobby seeks the help of an unlikely old friend to solve one of the most personal cases of his life.

Original Air Date 12/02/2011


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iolanda
December 3rd, 2011, 03:46 AM
Oh dear. What are they doing to Bobby? And us?

I can't believe they let us hang on this cliffhanger over the holiday season!!

I so badly want to have Bobby alive, though I have to admit that they won't be able to make a better good-bye episode than this one.

Have you seen how Dean suddenly looked 20 years older when the flatline occurred?

And Bobbys last Memory would be Sam and Dean bantering over popcorn and licorice. And Rufus. How great was it to see Rufus again?

Okay, I admit I'm not able to form any coherent sentence right now. *sniff*

LizzieAnne
December 3rd, 2011, 05:45 AM
*Dabs eyes and blows nose

Just a quick ramble before getting to the big question.

Great acting all round. And kudos for Sera for a stellar script and Bobby Singer's directing.

Loved how we get to see inside Bobby's head and see some of his back story and seeing how proud he was of Sam and Dean and how he was more of a Dad to them than John ever was. I've always had big issues with John for not trying harder to give the boys a more normal life.

So seeing Bobby playing with Dean in the park was an aww moment for me. I'd have preferred it to have been with Sam as well though. A proper family moment.

It's heartbreaking to find out that he had such a hard time as a child...but it shows how he became what he is/was by standing up to his drunken Dad. Very sad.

It was great seeing Rufus again. Those two really do make a great duo.

Bobby doesn't give in easily and traps the Reaper...who at first I thought was Chuck! Only Bobby could trap a Reaper in his own head.

He got his message to the boys and then....flat line! Gah! that's what I call a cliff-hanger!!! One that's over used on shows I know...but here it felt like a stab in the heart.

It was lovely getting to see some Sam's feelings for Bobby for a change and lovely moment with Sam holding Bobby's hand at the end.

So the million dollar question is...is Bobby alive or is he dead?

I was so confident that Bobby wouldn't be killed off. Now my confidence is wavering a bit....but only a bit. If it turns out to be dead it was a perfect episode and a great swan song for him.

And when I say killed off, I mean that Bobby isn't going to be around permanently any more.

My reasoning why he isn't really dead:

Why wasn't his death called? It's been left open. Is that for a reason or just to drive us all crazy...or crazier. Or are they just teasing us. If we come back after the Hellatus to see his funeral, that would be horribly cruel. If they're going to kill him why not do it there and then? Get it over with. But then shows love to keep us fans dangling over the precipice to get us to tune in after the break. Ruin our Christmas why don't you show?

Best Case scenario: He's operated on and out of action for a bit...nursed by Sheriff Mills.

Worst case: He's permenantly dead and gone. (I'm with Dean here...I still refuse to contemplate it.)

Other scenarios: Could being a ghost for a while to help the cause? He's now on the inside....in limbo. He can still be helpful to the boys and can come back from that. There's Crowley, Death...and maybe Cas to help out there.

Straw clutching: I don't think Jim left Vancouver early...implying that he was no longer needed for filming. Although everyone on set is extremely savvy to all things 'fandom' and how fast word travels online...but they're not perfect..something will slip out.

And when it does I'll be there!


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LtColCarter
December 3rd, 2011, 05:48 AM
Oh dear. What are they doing to Bobby? And us?

I can't believe they let us hang on this cliffhanger over the holiday season!!

I so badly want to have Bobby alive, though I have to admit that they won't be able to make a better good-bye episode than this one.

Have you seen how Dean suddenly looked 20 years older when the flatline occurred?

And Bobbys last Memory would be Sam and Dean bantering over popcorn and licorice. And Rufus. How great was it to see Rufus again?

Okay, I admit I'm not able to form any coherent sentence right now. *sniff*

I couldn't agree more if this is Bobby's swan song...it's an excellent way to go. The episode left me drained. My only teeny weeny complain is what was Sam & Dean's "high stakes mission?" I just saw them being helpless in the hospital...and trust me...I know how horrible that feels.

At least we only have a month to see what happens...

Arative
December 3rd, 2011, 06:29 AM
How tragic would it be if the boys had to hunt Bobby's ghost?

I'm hoping that he isn't dead. I mean Bobby is my favorite character but if he is dead, that was a hell of an episode to go out on. When he woke up and just said idijits, Jim Beaver was awesome. The whole episode I thought this would have been a perfect way to reintroduce Castiel. I wouldn't have minded the dues ex machina of an angel saving Bobby. I'm torn between wanting Bobby to live and letting him die. We know hunters have a short life span. But the boys have been through enough.

strandrijker
December 3rd, 2011, 06:54 AM
I hope I'm already in a state to form full sentences again *sniff*


Where the hell are all the angels, Crowly or Death when you need them. Can't the boys just summone one of them?
Ok Death is out of the game I guess. Last time Dean summoned him he was really pissed about it.
Doesn't Crowley owe the boys anything? I bet if I dig I'll find something
Honestly, I really still waiting for Cas to come back. And this would be a very good timing.
I still don't know what to say. I just hope he'll live.

I really liked Rufus.I couldn't really remeber him. Time for a rewatch I guess.

LoneStar1836
December 3rd, 2011, 10:06 AM
:(:(:(:(

I knew that was it for Bobby when I saw that Sera was writing the ep and Robert Singer was directing. Bring out the big guns for the final farewell. And what a great episode it was.

I think that's it for Bobby even though I wouldn't really want another season without him. It would be too easy to think that they'll bring him back using past tricks. Would kind of spoil this ep, imo.

Loved seeing Rufus again. I didn't like when they killed him either. :mckay:

yessika
December 3rd, 2011, 01:02 PM
I absolutely loved this episode, it's got to be one of my favorite episodes EVER!


I don't want Bobby to be dead but I would be ok with him being dead since you can't get a better farewell episode than that.

I so don't want to wait till January :(

the fifth man
December 3rd, 2011, 06:56 PM
What an amazing episode. This really was spectacular. I really hope Bobby makes it though.

LtColCarter
December 3rd, 2011, 09:46 PM
What an amazing episode. This really was spectacular. I really hope Bobby makes it though.

I hope he makes it through as well.

iolanda
December 4th, 2011, 01:29 AM
The more I think about it, the more I'm sure that he is dead :'(

LizzieAnne
December 4th, 2011, 06:59 AM
The more I think about it, the more I'm sure that he is dead :'(

Now I've thought about it some more as well and read a few of the many reviews which are out there...I think you're right. Don't think I can cling on to the hope he's not dead all through the Hellatus. I was in denial.

If somehow he does survive...well that'll be great.

Homer 120
December 4th, 2011, 01:53 PM
Damn! Fantastic episode! Shocked that no one's given kudos to Jim Beaver for his work in this episode! Loved it, when Bobby said, with a smile to Sam and Dean ''Idigts'' before the final scene I think he knew that he wasn't getting out of this one.

tomstone
December 4th, 2011, 02:03 PM
I am thinking that Bobby is a goner. Last Episode I was thinking they just want to scare us again, but now I dont have any illusions anymore.

Getting Bobby back would need something that he wouldnt approve of at all. There is always a catch and at the moment they have no Allies left that could help. I guess in the other half of the Season we will have to watch the Boys cope with their loss while fighting the Leviathans alone. Not to forget that Sam is still fighting with his reality glitch.

That really seems like a depressing Storyline for the end. :(

Of course the producers can always pull another Ace out of their ***** to let him live. Though somehow I dont want them to do that since it seems like a copout to me. They went down this road, so now I feel like they should finish it, eventhough I dont like it.

Jeffer
December 6th, 2011, 03:52 AM
Anyone else notice the look on Dick's face when Dean was talking he's starting to relise he has underestimated them and I thinn there is an actual way to kill them given the look he had

AzMcNeil
December 14th, 2011, 02:49 PM
Anyone else notice the look on Dick's face when Dean was talking he's starting to relise he has underestimated them and I thinn there is an actual way to kill them given the look he had

I'm starting to wonder whether or not some of the weapons that went "missing" in heaven will be what can kill or banish the Leviathans.... just food for thought

LtColCarter
December 15th, 2011, 06:55 AM
I'm starting to wonder whether or not some of the weapons that went "missing" in heaven will be what can kill or banish the Leviathans.... just food for thought

Interesting theory...I hope we'll see it play out this season.

Graybrew1
December 18th, 2011, 08:07 PM
What on Earth are they doing to one of my favorite shows?????

First Cass and now Bobby?
I am beyond getting frustrated.

I even started "following" Mischa and SPN on Twitter to try to find out anything that I could.

Abnormal
December 19th, 2011, 05:18 AM
OMG I loved this episode, I can't wait for the show to return!!!

I was extremely sad with what happened to Bobby. This character is very touching and I thought at the end everything would get back to normal as it almost always does, but unexpectedly it didn't...

However, I think Bobby will choose not to follow the reaper and will become a ghost. But what about this number he wrote on Dean's hand? Is that a code for the boys to contact him or sth?

Also it broke my heart when little Bobby shot his father and his mother said "what have you done? God will never forgive you". All he did was trying to protect her, but she was to submissive a woman to realize that at the moment. Those words must have haunted him all his life.

Anyway, though I hate the fact that we might not see Bobby regularly anymore (as much as I hated the decision to kill off Castiel because I love the actor), I think it was a very courageous move from the writers....

My goodness! This season started slow but the few last episodes (except the one with the wedding) were great.

Abnormal
December 19th, 2011, 05:23 AM
I so badly want to have Bobby alive, though I have to admit that they won't be able to make a better good-bye episode than this one.

And Bobbys last Memory would be Sam and Dean bantering over popcorn and licorice. And Rufus. How great was it to see Rufus again?



Generally speaking I feel very very sad when one of my favourite characters dies... But what is great about this episode is that it leaves the door open to... I don't know... A resurrection someday maybe? I mean, even if he never comes back, it feels like he's not really dead, and I like that.

As for his last memory, it was SO beautiful. That look in his eyes when they were quarrelling was priceless.

Abnormal
December 19th, 2011, 05:28 AM
Where the hell are all the angels, Crowly or Death when you need them. Can't the boys just summone one of them?


I expect them to do it later when they're sure he's dead and have no other solution...

Graybrew1
December 19th, 2011, 07:08 AM
I have a feeling that Cas will be back. I do think that Bobby might be gone for good.

Abnormal
December 19th, 2011, 08:10 AM
I have a feeling that Cas will be back. I do think that Bobby might be gone for good.

Really? Was it announced in articles or mentioned in interviews? :(

Graybrew1
December 19th, 2011, 08:29 AM
No, just something felt very final about his last scene. I would love to be wrong.

Abnormal
December 19th, 2011, 08:32 AM
I would miss him SO much....

tomstone
December 19th, 2011, 09:12 AM
I would miss him SO much....

So will I, but Greybrew1 is right, something about this Episode felt final. Considering that this is the last Season, that was it for him.

Graybrew1
December 19th, 2011, 09:14 AM
Whoah..... This is their last season? When did that come out? I thought that was still up in the air...boo hoo.

Abnormal
December 19th, 2011, 09:17 AM
So will I, but Greybrew1 is right, something about this Episode felt final. Considering that this is the last Season, that was it for him.

Last season?!

Abnormal
December 19th, 2011, 09:18 AM
I even thought Supernatural was very likely to come back...

Graybrew1
December 19th, 2011, 09:20 AM
So did tv guide. Can we get confirmation on this?

tomstone
December 19th, 2011, 09:22 AM
Last season?!

At least that is what I thought. The last one was thought to be maybe the finish but then they decided to make a seventh and as I thought I heard final Season.

It would make sense considering whats going on, or how many Bad guys can they keep pulling out of their hats? We already had Lucifer, there is not alot higher than that.

Abnormal
December 19th, 2011, 09:24 AM
You're right about them having more and more difficulty findind new bad guys more powerful than the previous ones. But I still think the show will be renewed for a final season. Remember at the beginning the show was meant to end after 4 seasons... So you never know...

Graybrew1
December 19th, 2011, 09:25 AM
The ratings are still good. The main stars are best buds in RL. There is countless more lore to pull from. I keep my fingers and toes crossed.

Graybrew1
December 19th, 2011, 09:26 AM
I would love some more Easter Egg eps too.

Abnormal
December 19th, 2011, 09:29 AM
I would love some more Easter Egg eps too.

Easter Egg eps? What's that?

tomstone
December 19th, 2011, 09:30 AM
You're right about them having more and more difficulty findind new bad guys more powerful than the previous ones. But I still think the show will be renewed for a final season. Remember at the beginning the show was meant to end after 4 seasons... So you never know...

Thats also true. I guess I have just grown a bit tired of the Show and want to see it end in the proper way a Show should and not cancelled after a cliffhanger because someone changed their minds.

Abnormal
December 19th, 2011, 09:32 AM
Thats also true. I guess I have just grown a bit tired of the Show and want to see it end in the proper way a Show should and not cancelled after a cliffhanger because someone changed their minds.

I know how you feel. It's what may happen to Sanctuary and I would hate that....

Graybrew1
December 19th, 2011, 09:38 AM
Easter egg eps are like hidden treasures for loyal fans. The Real Ghostbusters and The French Mistake were two great ones as well as Changing Channels.

iolanda
December 19th, 2011, 11:46 AM
Hi guys! Welcome to the supernatural Supernatural section of Gateworld :-)

As for now nothing is confirmed about an eight season, but the chances are pretty good we'll get one (unless they are feeding us fans deliberately with wrong information).

If you want to discuss the show, one of this threads might be a better place:

With Spoilers behind spoilercuts: http://forum.gateworld.net/threads/17708-Supernatural-General-Discussion-Appreciation-(Spoiler-Tags-req-for-S7)

with Spoilers: http://forum.gateworld.net/threads/81055-Supernatural-Season-7-Spoiler-Thread