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<DIV STYLE="margin-top:10px; padding:0;">Glenn lets the rest of his friends know the secret of the barn, and Rick pressures Hershel to allow his people to stay on the farm. Shane considers his own strategy to secure the group's future.</DIV>
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fumblesmcstupid
November 27th, 2011, 11:47 PM
I wept at tonights episode.

TheRandomOne
November 28th, 2011, 12:24 AM
Just happy that the ****ty story line is over & it was a ****ty episode aside from the last five minutes. Great ending to a ****ty story line

Steelbox
November 28th, 2011, 05:05 AM
Who would have known that she was in the barn with the other walkers.

Demoniser
November 28th, 2011, 06:59 AM
Just happy that the ****ty story line is over & it was a ****ty episode aside from the last five minutes. Great ending to a ****ty story line

100% agree. Now that the perfectly rubbish Sophia storyline is over, a storyline that was only drawn out so they had an excuse for a mid season cliffhanger things can get back to a decent pace.

I just hope when it comes back in 2012 that the second half of season 2 is of a better calibre than the first.

Shane is a nasty piece of work but next to Daryl, he's one of the most sane people there in a twisted kind of way.

Steelbox
November 28th, 2011, 08:14 AM
You think it was a bad story line? I think it was one of the best. Example, the Herd, caused she to run and get lost, got every one on his heels. One of the best scenes this year, possible the entire series, don't know if it beats the Atlanta Herd scene though. The dissecation of the zombie, searching for traces of Sophia in his stomach, briliant. The hanged zombie, lol. The Whell, gross. Daryl getting lost got an arrow stuck in his belly and a zombie almost eats his boots, lucky dog that guy is tough. The barn shootout. And when they found her, one of the saddest moment ever. It all happened while searching for Sophia and you still say it was a **** story line?

magictrick
November 28th, 2011, 08:48 AM
I can see why the Sophia story line may have dragged for some people. It was used as a plot tool to keep them at the farm for an extended period of time. However I think the conclusion of last night's episode more than made up for it. It was absolutely epic (sad, shocking and amazing all at the same time).

I'm curious though, does this mean Hershel and his crew knew Sophia was in the barn the whole time?

Demoniser
November 28th, 2011, 09:29 AM
You think it was a bad story line? I think it was one of the best. Example, the Herd, caused she to run and get lost, got every one on his heels. One of the best scenes this year, possible the entire series, don't know if it beats the Atlanta Herd scene though. The dissecation of the zombie, searching for traces of Sophia in his stomach, briliant. The hanged zombie, lol. The Whell, gross. Daryl getting lost got an arrow stuck in his belly and a zombie almost eats his boots, lucky dog that guy is tough. The barn shootout. And when they found her, one of the saddest moment ever. It all happened while searching for Sophia and you still say it was a **** story line?

I do think it's was a ***** storyline tbh.

Yes i liked the highway scene, it was tense, Yes i liked the climax at the barn, yes i Liked Shane going to the dark side. Unfortunately 99% of the content in between these moments was as boring as watching paint dry if not more so.

If Sophia's storyline had been wrapped up in say three episodes, four max i would have enjoyed it far more, but 7 episodes, it's stupid. It's what i like to call 'LOST' syndrome (and we all know how that was stretched out at points).

Magictrick has hit the nail on the head, it was used as a plot device to keep them anchored at the farm, and thereby cutting cost for filming by centering the majority of the drama in the farmhouse or surrounding fields and woods.

I enjoy the drama, it's great, it gets you invested in a show, unfortunately there is a way to do it better than other ways. TWD has sunk so far into slow..plodding soap opera territory that after this climax I'm still wondering if they can pull things together when it returns in 2012.

I like the ingredients for the show but i think that they need to re-evaluate the recipie by condensing the drama and upping the pace and danger abit more.

Just my opinion. Make of it what you will.

magictrick
November 28th, 2011, 10:02 AM
I enjoy the drama, it's great, it gets you invested in a show, unfortunately there is a way to do it better than other ways. TWD has sunk so far into slow..plodding soap opera territory that after this climax I'm still wondering if they can pull things together when it returns in 2012.

I like the ingredients for the show but i think that they need to re-evaluate the recipie by condensing the drama and upping the pace and danger abit more.

Just my opinion. Make of it what you will.

This may have to do with Frank Darabont no longer being involved with the series. Now I think they said that most of the filming for the first half of the season was done while he was still around but I'm not sure. Either way whether it has already happened or it will start in the 2nd half, he is no longer involved in the production so the tone of the series and the way its filmed may change.

LoneStar1836
November 28th, 2011, 10:05 AM
Thought this ep was excellent even though had spoiled myself on Sophia's fate last week. I was actually hoping they'd get a victory out of it and find her alive, but what a way to end it. :(

I do think eps this season have drug in places, but I've been happy with the overall story this first half of the season. I liked the farm setting and the issues it brought up...it being a safe haven and did they have a right to stay there, Herschel's view of the walkers. I thought Lori and her baby issues and Andrea in general as I really don't like her to be the biggest drag on the season, not the Sophia stuff as it produced some good stuff, especially for Daryl.




I'm curious though, does this mean Hershel and his crew knew Sophia was in the barn the whole time?Kirkman said last night on the Talking Dead that it was implied that Otis was the only one that knew she was in there (as Hershel said in this ep that rounding up stray walkers was his job) and he was killed before he knew anyone was looking for a little girl. I buy that even though people still went to the barn to feed them, yet they didn't see her. That's a bit of a stretch but possible I suppose.

Homer 120
November 28th, 2011, 11:24 AM
Wow!! Darhyl's reaction to seeing Sophia dying was sadenning considering the effort he put into finding her in ''The Cheroke Rose''. Perfect mid-season finale and an Emmy-nom worthy performance from the guy that plays Shane. Now I wanna see the aftermath of this like, NOW!

Steelbox
November 28th, 2011, 11:50 AM
Wow!! Darhyl's reaction to seeing Sophia dying was sadenning considering the effort he put into finding her in ''The Cheroke Rose''. Perfect mid-season finale and an Emmy-nom worthy performance from the guy that plays Shane. Now I wanna see the aftermath of this like, NOW!

John Bernthal. He sure can make a crazy man's face. I think that the view of Sophia after making such a fuss about keeping the walkers in the barn, how they where dangerous no more humans. I think that it drove Shane a bit more to the breaking edge.

magictrick
November 28th, 2011, 12:11 PM
John Bernthal. He sure can make a crazy man's face. I think that the view of Sophia after making such a fuss about keeping the walkers in the barn, how they where dangerous no more humans. I think that it drove Shane a bit more to the breaking edge.

In those moments when she was walking out of the barn I kept wondering who was gonna do it and pull the trigger. I think having Rick step up to do it made sense though.

Homer 120
November 28th, 2011, 12:21 PM
John Bernthal. He sure can make a crazy man's face. I think that the view of Sophia after making such a fuss about keeping the walkers in the barn, how they where dangerous no more humans. I think that it drove Shane a bit more to the breaking edge.

His reaction to me seemed like he was starting to question his own views on the Walkers.

fumblesmcstupid
November 28th, 2011, 02:11 PM
I feel for Hersal and his family of Zombies in the barn. It is horrible. But with Ricks group re acting to seeing Sophia..a little girl that they care about, hearing her mom screaming her name, then watching Rick put a bullet in her head, I think will show Hersal that you have to think AND remember that everyone is a six degree of seperation in this Sh*tty time.

Ricks group saw that beautiful little girl that they have been going crazy looking for and They KNEW that her being a zombie was a possibilty, but seeing her stumble out broke their hearts. Still they put her out of her zombification and let her reat in piece.

Steelbox
November 28th, 2011, 02:15 PM
In those moments when she was walking out of the barn I kept wondering who was gonna do it and pull the trigger. I think having Rick step up to do it made sense though.

Really showed Shane that he has what's needed to survive in that world.


His reaction to me seemed like he was starting to question his own views on the Walkers.

It surely would be horrible to be forced to shoot your love ones in the head. Kinda screw your own. I think Hershel was the most "humane" of all really believing that it is all a curable desease. What if they find the cure to that, would they coup with the fact that all those they shoot could be saved?


Ricks group saw that beautiful little girl that they have been going crazy looking for and They KNEW that her being a zombie was a possibilty, but seeing her stumble out broke their hearts. Still they put her out of her zombification and let her reat in piece.

Well, hope is the last to go. Completely true in this case. One think that surprised me was that Carol had already let go of the possibility of Sophia beign alive. I thought that she would believe in it until the moment they found her, dead or alive or undead.

Demoniser
November 28th, 2011, 02:54 PM
It surely would be horrible to be forcedto shoot your love ones in the head. Kinda screw your own. I think Hershel was the most "humane" of all really believing that it is all a curable desease. What if they find the cure to that, would they coup with the fact that all those they shoot could be saved?


I think Hershel is blinded by his emotions, and it's silly. They have in the barn, what are essentially walking corpses, and it's fair to say that some if not all have 'fallen apart' at the seams. Some of them have massive chunks of flesh removed in vital areas, that can't be 'fixed'. Even if they did find a cure to the virus or whatever it is, the damage to their bodies is done, they can't be saved.

I said before that Shane is an *** but he's the most switched on and sane person of the group next to Daryl.

All of this makes me wonder, if a zombie apocalypse did happen, how many people would end up dead through their own stupidty and inability to face the perfectly obvious. It's a kill or be killed world, adapt to survive and all that.

squirrely1
November 28th, 2011, 03:36 PM
WOW What a mid season finale. :eek: I bawled my eyes out. *sigh*

I think it really made you stop and think though... Hershel was really trying to do the right thing for these people, however, it was a losing battle. To assume that even if they did find a cure what would be left of them with their half rotting bodies and in many case limbs missing and such?? :confused: They were just too far gone. I Just don't see how they could be fully restored to health even if they did find a cure.

Shane was definitely their wake up call and while he's not the nicest person to be around...they all needed that swift kick in the butt IMO.

Talk about dramatic seeing Sophia walk out of the barn as a walker my heart just sank and all of a sudden you now have a different feeling about the walkers...and understand Hershel's position..they are not just monsters that you don't know...they are people's loved ones...family and friends :( I loved how this ep really showed that contrast nicely. I liked how Rick was the one to step up and shoot Sophia...that directly proved that he does have what it takes to survive in that life. I think that was important for Lori and Shane to see that.

*sigh* is it February yet? :S

lookupwardsnshare
November 28th, 2011, 05:03 PM
What a great mid-season finale especially the barn-walkers massacre...that was awesome! But to see Sophia come out at the end was heartbreaking. I knew Shane was going to go all rambo :ronananime01: on those walkers when the storyline first revealed them...it was only a matter of time! But he basically became "all talk" when he saw Sophia and couldn't do what had to be done.

Can't wait to see where Hershel and his family goes from here...

I really don't think the Sophia storyline was dragged out. The group was stuck at the farm while Carl recovered and the search for her just gave them hope (especially after Carl being shot), but I think they all knew in the back of their minds that Sophia was not coming back. Plus Hershel really didn't let them help out around the farm (b/c of his secret barn-walkers) so what else were they supposed to do?

Can't wait for TWD to start back up again on February 12, which is also my b-day :p

tomstone
November 29th, 2011, 05:49 AM
I really doubt that Hershel will let them stay after this. While Shane was right that the Walkers need to be put down, he became one serious Nutjob. He is a real loose Cannon and thats not good. Doesnt matter if he hits his target while he is angry as hell, he shouldnt even get that pissed so many times. To many emotions going on to make sound decisions.

I dont like the Actor that plays Shane to be honest. He got the crazy look down like he invented it, but somehow he uses it way to often. Its is probably because of the Typecasting that goes on with him, but still I rather he would dail it down because he scares me. :D

Besides that I enjoyed the Mid-Season Finale and I was very sorry to see Sophia shot. I was hoping for something good to happen for once, but I understand that this is what was needed to make the Episode work. If there where some that didnt understand Hershel, maybe they do now.

LoneStar1836
November 29th, 2011, 10:59 AM
I really doubt that Hershel will let them stay after this. While Shane was right that the Walkers need to be put down, he became one serious Nutjob. He may have been right, but I don't think he had any right to do what he did. This wasn't their property or their problem. They could have just packed up and left if they didn't like it. If Hershel's way of thinking got his people killed later on so be it. Shane didn't give a damn about Hershel and his people anyway. He might have left them alone, but Rick coming back with those walkers was more than he could stand. As unhinged as Shane is I could almost picture him forcible taking over the farm at this point.

magictrick
November 29th, 2011, 11:28 AM
He may have been right, but I don't think he had any right to do what he did. This wasn't their property or their problem. They could have just packed up and left if they didn't like it. If Hershel's way of thinking got his people killed later on so be it. Shane didn't give a damn about Hershel and his people anyway. He might have left them alone, but Rick coming back with those walkers was more than he could stand. As unhinged as Shane is I could almost picture him forcible taking over the farm at this point.

If we follow what we traditionally consider right and wrong he did not have the right to do what he did. On the other hand, he probably saved lives through these actions, because lets face it, a barn full of walkers is a major accident waiting to happen.

As for Shane being a psycho, I think there is logic to his madness. Hershel and company have been sheltered from most things that went down. They have no idea the type of world that exists now. They are still following sets of rules and morals of a time before everything went to hell. Whether you agree with him or not, Shane did what had to be done for the greater good of everyone involved. Its a numbers game to him, and he is becoming an extremist at it, but at the core he has the right intentions. He's more of an ends justify the means kind of guy, although perhaps now, a crazed guy.

tomstone
November 29th, 2011, 01:52 PM
He may have been right, but I don't think he had any right to do what he did. This wasn't their property or their problem. They could have just packed up and left if they didn't like it. If Hershel's way of thinking got his people killed later on so be it. Shane didn't give a damn about Hershel and his people anyway. He might have left them alone, but Rick coming back with those walkers was more than he could stand. As unhinged as Shane is I could almost picture him forcible taking over the farm at this point.

Yeah, thats the same I am thinking. Thats basically why I called him a Serious Nutjob, he snapped and not to shabby at that.

He could have just left out of protest, but breaking open the Barn so that they are forced to kill them was a BS decision. I can already picture him doing something like that again once he gets fed up by the group again. He basically did all this because of his argument with that Woman about the Baby.

Also I just wanted to say that I think the Sh**ty Storyline porbably was a good decision. We got some Character Development and TPTB have more money for the secound half of the Season. I think it was a Win Win situation. :)

Steelbox
November 30th, 2011, 02:54 AM
I dont like the Actor that plays Shane to be honest. He got the crazy look down like he invented it, but somehow he uses it way to often. Its is probably because of the Typecasting that goes on with him, but still I rather he would dail it down because he scares me. :D Than i would say that the actor nailed it. Shane in the comic was crazy to, so i say there is no problem with him being that way.

LoneStar1836
November 30th, 2011, 10:29 AM
If we follow what we traditionally consider right and wrong he did not have the right to do what he did. On the other hand, he probably saved lives through these actions, because lets face it, a barn full of walkers is a major accident waiting to happen.

As for Shane being a psycho, I think there is logic to his madness. Hershel and company have been sheltered from most things that went down. They have no idea the type of world that exists now. They are still following sets of rules and morals of a time before everything went to hell. Whether you agree with him or not, Shane did what had to be done for the greater good of everyone involved. Its a numbers game to him, and he is becoming an extremist at it, but at the core he has the right intentions. He's more of an ends justify the means kind of guy, although perhaps now, a crazed guy.A barn full of them is an accident waiting to happen, but I still think some amount of respect for people and property rights should still apply. They were guests at the farm. Either leave or help shore up/secure the area around the barn.

Following the greater good theory, then they should all refuse to leave and basically forcibly make Hershel let them stay. They do have the guns after all...not that I think Rick would ever agree to doing that. If it turns into dog eat dog, who's left to watch your back? I still think some goodwill will get them farther at this point which is what Rick was trying to do...even though I don't think he should have directly helped them round up those walkers and put himself in danger.

the fifth man
December 1st, 2011, 12:38 AM
Than i would say that the actor nailed it. Shane in the comic was crazy to, so i say there is no problem with him being that way.

I totally agree. Shane is all kinds of crazy and dangerous. I can't wait until things boil over.

MIZA
December 1st, 2011, 02:47 AM
I also very much enjoyed this episode very well done , I was very sad that Sophia ended up the way she did.

Hey everyone should check out the talking dead after the show , that is really cool talk show about The Walking Dead

Steelbox
December 1st, 2011, 04:56 AM
I also very much enjoyed this episode very well done , I was very sad that Sophia ended up the way she did.

Hey everyone should check out the talking dead after the show , that is really cool talk show about The Walking Dead
Do you know if it is available in Youtube, or somewhere else for me to watch?
EDIT: Found it.

MIZA
December 1st, 2011, 07:28 AM
Does anyone know why they call them "Geeks" in first season thanks ?

The Mighty 6 platoon
December 1st, 2011, 09:10 AM
Well I finally got round to seeing the last couple of episodes and wow. While parts of the show had started to drag, the ending of this ep more than made up for it. The final scene with the massacre of the zombies was in many ways cathartic, a release of all that tension that had been building (and indeed this is something that the Walking Dead is very good at building up) but at the same time the way it was shot did present it on some level as an atrocity as well, from Hershel's point of view he was seeing his friends and relatives gunned down.

As for that final reveal, well for me it was no great surprise, but I think in many ways that was the point. The fact that Sophia was know a walker was pretty much inevitable, and people had being trying to hold out false hope, and now it was time to stare the truth in the face. It was a very powerful scene.

Steelbox
December 1st, 2011, 09:33 AM
Does anyone know why they call them "Geeks" in first season thanks ?
I recall Glenn used to call them that. Not sure about the others.

Sp!der
December 2nd, 2011, 10:32 AM
I love The Walking Dead, especially Daryl... but I thought the past episodes on the barn were somewhat slow but this frakking mid season finale with the frakking epic music of Bear McCreary made up for almost everything! the preview for february looks awesome! there is hope now that things get going again..

Teddybrown
December 3rd, 2011, 07:40 AM
Wow, what a mid season finale!
Really enjoying the season so far, yeah its been a bit slow at parts, but theres been some good character development from it and some very interesting scenes.
The last 5 minutes of this episode were amazing, very well shot. Nice to see that Rick took the responsibility of shooting Sophia, and that everyone else felt how Hershal felt and couldnt do it.
Really looking forward to the 2nd part of this season. Roll on February!

the fifth man
December 3rd, 2011, 07:33 PM
Yeah, February can't get here soon enough. I want to see what happens next.

tomstone
December 4th, 2011, 02:13 PM
Than i would say that the actor nailed it. Shane in the comic was crazy to, so i say there is no problem with him being that way.

He even scared me in his performance in Eastwick. And there he was actually supposed to portrayed somewhat likeable.

I agree that he is awesome in this Series. I am just saying I wouldnt want to meet that Guy live if he always has such looks on his face.

The Flyattractor
December 4th, 2011, 03:09 PM
What was the timing of Sophia getting lost and winding up in the barn? She was only missing one night before they got to the farm wasn't it?
I mean Otis would almost has literaly just put her in there before turing around and going hunting?

Steelbox
December 5th, 2011, 02:57 AM
He even scared me in his performance in Eastwick. And there he was actually supposed to portrayed somewhat likeable.

I agree that he is awesome in this Series. I am just saying I wouldnt want to meet that Guy live if he always has such looks on his face.
In every behind the scenes of The Walking Dead that I've seen he seams to be an all around nice guy. Sure the new hair cut only accentuate the crazyness of his character and it can translate to the real life. And frankly here lays the danger, many can't separate fiction from reality. You have to separate Actor John from Crazy Police Officer Shane.


What was the timing of Sophia getting lost and winding up in the barn? She was only missing one night before they got to the farm wasn't it?
I mean Otis would almost has literaly just put her in there before turing around and going hunting?

Indeed, I believe she was there the whole time they where searching for her.

MIZA
December 5th, 2011, 03:28 PM
What was the timing of Sophia getting lost and winding up in the barn? She was only missing one night before they got to the farm wasn't it?
I mean Otis would almost has literaly just put her in there before turing around and going hunting?
Yes that is what I am trying to figure out too but they never really explain the timeline ??

Steelbox
December 8th, 2011, 07:30 AM
It took more or less three days of searching untill Otis shoot Carl. He had plenty of time to find Sophia.

Linda06
December 13th, 2011, 11:23 AM
Thank goodness the Sophia storyline is finished now. Don't get me wrong, it was a good storyline but I feel it did drag on too long. Didn't expect her to come staggering out of the Barn though. Someone needs to get a grip on Shane though. He is out of control. I think he would have shot Dale if he didn't give him back the guns. He's a loose cannon. He'll get them all killed one of these days.

Why is it not back till February?

the fifth man
December 13th, 2011, 08:43 PM
Thank goodness the Sophia storyline is finished now. Don't get me wrong, it was a good storyline but I feel it did drag on too long. Didn't expect her to come staggering out of the Barn though. Someone needs to get a grip on Shane though. He is out of control. I think he would have shot Dale if he didn't give him back the guns. He's a loose cannon. He'll get them all killed one of these days.

Why is it not back till February?

Cruel, isn't it?

Linda06
December 14th, 2011, 11:24 AM
Cruel, isn't it?

Very :mckay:

Steelbox
December 15th, 2011, 09:48 AM
Thank goodness the Sophia storyline is finished now. Don't get me wrong, it was a good storyline but I feel it did drag on too long. Didn't expect her to come staggering out of the Barn though. Someone needs to get a grip on Shane though. He is out of control. I think he would have shot Dale if he didn't give him back the guns. He's a loose cannon. He'll get them all killed one of these days.

Why is it not back till February?

Well Shane could have gained some sense when he saw Sophia as a walker. He was truly shocked and couldn't do anything. But alas, it may have broken him even more.

the fifth man
December 15th, 2011, 07:05 PM
Well Shane could have gained some sense when he saw Sophia as a walker. He was truly shocked and couldn't do anything. But alas, it may have broken him even more.

I don't see Shane turning back now. He has lost it, and IMO, will become more and more of a danger.

Abnormal
December 19th, 2011, 05:55 AM
In one word: SPECTACULAR!

Abnormal
December 19th, 2011, 05:56 AM
I don't see Shane turning back now. He has lost it, and IMO, will become more and more of a danger.

I would hate him if he wasn't so hot :lol: