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April 26th, 2004, 03:09 PM
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<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 121</FONT>
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SG-1 escapes through the Stargate before it is shut down, and learns that Daniel's alternate reality vision is true: Apophis is moving to attack Earth from above. The team must stop Apophis and his son, Klorel, who inhabits the body of their friend Skaara.

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SamInChicago
May 5th, 2004, 02:28 PM
This is among the best (if not the best) team episodes of them all.

Good dialogue, humor, action, tension, Goa'ulds and what was happening back on Earth was just as well done as what was happening on the ship.

A brilliant ending for a great first season.

Major Clanger
May 9th, 2004, 06:39 AM
Wasn't that the ep where the zats were introduced? I loved that

Anubis
May 9th, 2004, 09:30 AM
Yep, this is when the zat's first appeared and when they first learned about hyperspace

Asgard-VA
May 16th, 2004, 10:31 PM
Fantastic episode on every level--humor, team work, tying up loose ends, and suspense.

Besides the zat and hyperspace, I believe this was the first episode that showed a goa'uld communications device.

Teal'c (talking about the huge floating, silver ball): "It is a goa'uld long-range visual communications device. Much like your television."

O'Neil: "Think it gets Showtime?"

Rhydderch Hael
May 22nd, 2004, 11:09 PM
Well, considering that this was the first episode where they're actually aboard a Goa'uld ship (chock full of Goa'uldy gadgets and gizmos) there was a lot of revelation going on.

omnian
June 10th, 2004, 07:07 AM
I noticed what I think may be a mistake in this episode. Before going through the Stargate they send a MALP through right? Well, once its through Sam says its dark so they can't see anything. However, given that the Stargate on the other side was active wouldn't they be able to see something because of the light given off by an open wormhole?

Just a wee observation.....

KorbenDirewolf
June 10th, 2004, 09:55 AM
Probably not, since the same thing happened in "The Broca Divide".. Although that time the natives smashed the lights on the MALP as well as it being dark. It had to be them going into an unknown situation for the episode to work.

SeaBee
June 26th, 2004, 03:58 AM
I noticed what I think may be a mistake in this episode. Before going through the Stargate they send a MALP through right? Well, once its through Sam says its dark so they can't see anything. However, given that the Stargate on the other side was active wouldn't they be able to see something because of the light given off by an open wormhole?

Just a wee observation.....
Oh, I'm glad you said that, I thought it was just me who thought that way. :D

Good ep. though.

bcmilco
June 26th, 2004, 02:53 PM
Depending on the camera they need a lot of light to work well, the stargate only gives off a small amount of light and it's blue. I doubt it would be enough to illuminate the area well enough for a camera to get a good picture. Of course they should have the light on the MALP...

Bagpuss
June 27th, 2004, 01:48 AM
Good points ,BCM ! ;) They could have used their infra-red goggles,I suppose.
I loved this episode though.
Teamwork,suspense,Klorel/Skaara,Apophis....and the Zats ! :D

Selmak
July 10th, 2004, 07:46 PM
This is one of the best season openers.

Selmak
July 15th, 2004, 05:43 PM
Opps... this wasn't the season opener it was the one before it... it was the cliffhanger.

aAnubiSs
July 15th, 2004, 05:49 PM
One of the best two-parters as of yet :)

Selmak
July 26th, 2004, 07:18 PM
I definitely agree with that :D

Anubis
July 27th, 2004, 02:31 AM
I was quite surprised to see it was a two parter leading into a new season! But a good one though

Replicarter
September 4th, 2004, 02:46 PM
The first good episode of Stargate. i like ships and space episodes.

Uncle Dick
September 21st, 2004, 09:22 AM
I liked it a lot, of course, but the budget limitations were obvious. It seemed like they were always walking down the same corridors and stepping into the same rooms even when the team is supposed to be traversing other parts of the ship. The reveals of Skaara and Bra'tac are priceless.

susanmary_1
September 24th, 2004, 04:20 PM
sat here watching, slightly worse for wear, and thinking this is what Stargate is all about, massive team interaction from O'Neill to everyone else (love Davies cardie) SG2 ready to jump in after our guys. Anyone doing a pilot season should look at this and recognise it as infinate episode that cries out for continuation, and I'm only 13 minutes in. Who would have known that eight years down the line we would still be here, doesn't it make you feel proud

SeaBee
September 25th, 2004, 06:03 AM
I was quite surprised to see it was a two parter leading into a new season! But a good one though
I think it was more of a four parter, and a nice long running storyline. I've always prefered long running story threads, which is probably why I enjoyed Babylon 5 :)

Daniel's_twin
September 28th, 2004, 12:48 PM
Same here. Having a longer running story line was what also helped save Enterprise in season 3.

Ok, I'm losing myself. I loved this episode. Yes, it is a four-parter. (including 'there but for the grace of god', 'polotics' and 'serpent's lair')I think this was this season's best episode. :cool:

zats
October 29th, 2004, 06:33 PM
I love this episode: as far as season finales go, I think it's one of the better ones. Unfortunately, it tends to run together with "Serpent's Lair" in my mind, so I THINK that most of these things are from the correct ep. Feel free to shout and scream if I'm off an ep, and with any luck I'll get around to fixing it. I make no promises.

What was good:
a. "It's surgical attack, Teal'c, and I'd feel like an idiot." To which I'm always respond to the TV, "Is that an unusual feeling for you, sir?" But that's just from someone who gets kicked out of the cinema because she shouts advice at the screen. Anyway, I think it's funny.
b. Skarra! I DID not expect him to pop up! And I loved how Skarra more or less made Klorel make the priest stop before killing Teal'c. Go Skarra!
c. Lots of action: Makes up for some of the longer drawn-out sit-on-our-butts-and-mope-about eps. I like emotional ones as much as the next fan, but some variation is nice.
d. Samuels. Although I wish it had been Maybourne.
e. The end. The pan-out was a brilliant effect, emphasising just how small they were on that massive ship.
f. The ship's decor--I like the hieroglyphics everywhere (although they must be murder to dust).
g. MY NAME WAS INTRODUCED, as someone (I think it was Asgard VA) kindly pointed out. LONG LIVE THE ZATS!

What wasn't good:
a. hang on...lemme think...ah, got something! Goa'uld ships always seem to me like they were designed especially with intruders in mind. Who in their right minds would put hidey-holes all over the place?!

And that's it until I think of something else.

greytop
November 25th, 2004, 08:01 AM
I noticed that Ferretti was in this episode. I like him so let's bring him back. :) :) :D

ShimmeringStar
January 30th, 2005, 07:47 AM
A so-so season ender, a decent setup to S2’s premiere….

Funny J/T interaction:
Teal’c: “I believe a medical attack could be successful.”
Jack: “Surgical attack, Teal'c. It's called a surgical attack…” :)

RubyRed
February 19th, 2005, 07:10 PM
it happens to me too. when i think of this episode i think about the first epi from the second season. they are my favorite episode so far. i'm barely in season two so we'll see if things change.

SmartFox
February 23rd, 2005, 06:17 PM
Really good ep. Good cliffhanger and season finale. Whats not to like about getting on a alien ship and learning all kinds of new gadgets and stuf. Including my favorite the zat.

PugGate
March 10th, 2005, 07:29 PM
A so-so season ender, a decent setup to S2’s premiere….

Funny J/T interaction:
Teal’c: “I believe a medical attack could be successful.”
Jack: “Surgical attack, Teal'c. It's called a surgical attack…” :)


Isn't it "Surgical strike"?


The little corners for spies, assasins, and sabatouers to hide were a little weird.

I liked the part where Jack tells Apophis that their is an entire human army hidden on the ship

ApophisOfTheStargateRealm
June 22nd, 2005, 08:38 AM
this was a good episode... i did not know who Ska'ra was at all but aside from that...i like almost any episode with Apophis in it:) and yes i liked the introductions to the zats :)

Wyrminarrd
July 31st, 2005, 03:09 AM
Just watched it again last night and I must say that this is one great episode! The build up to it in "There but for the grace of gods" and in "Politics" all add up to create a great deal of excitement and tension.

Plus this is the show were things start to happen in space and we get the zat´s into play. And to top all of that off we get to see Ferretti again, just notices that for the first time.

Heru'urs_first_prime
August 1st, 2005, 05:43 AM
wow! i saw the episode again the same day you whatched it............cool!

.:Lemon:.
August 24th, 2005, 08:18 AM
This episode was on Sky One recently (I think they're just showing random episodes) Anyway this was a cool episode and we got to see zats for the first time! A few funny moments in there aswell :)

Stricken
September 8th, 2005, 01:57 AM
Great way to finish the first serries

walter_MacChevron
September 12th, 2005, 09:59 PM
GREAT episode!!! Loved the tension between Jack and the kid (forgot his name)

pinguino_89
November 24th, 2005, 11:39 AM
I have a question of this episode, sorry if has been asked before.
When there's the hyper launch why jack, sam and daniel fall to the floor and tealc can stand up? It's beacaause he is used of it?

Hira
February 28th, 2006, 11:11 PM
GREAT episode!!! Loved the tension between Jack and the kid (forgot his name)

agreed.. this ep was awsome... and the kids' name was Skaara

Pharaoh Atem
March 26th, 2006, 04:11 PM
:) love this episode one of the best team epsiodes in stargate

and cool idea of having it take place on a mother ship

Starfalcon
April 29th, 2006, 12:48 PM
Together with the second part, The serpents Lair one of my favourite Stargate episodes. And I think one of the best team episodes of the show.
If someone will make another Stargate movie I would be excited if it were only half as good as this epsiodes.

captain jake
April 29th, 2006, 03:56 PM
How many episodes have you seen?

I ask just because I wonder what you are comparing this episode to.

Starfalcon
April 30th, 2006, 10:22 AM
How many episodes have you seen?

I ask just because I wonder what you are comparing this episode to.

I still not have seen all episodes but I think about 80 % of the show.
And I compared it to some other very popular episodes like Lost City or Avalon.
The reasons why I love "Within the serpent`s Grasp and Serpents Lair are
- great team feel (which I missed in other "big" episodes (especially in Lost City)
- the enemies came over as real tread to earth ( not as on many later episodes when the enemies were almost parodies of themself)
- the show still captured to this time still some of the ancient egypt feeling of the movie anstead going for the generic pseudo Star Trek and pseudo Farscape stuff of the new seasons (I mean season 7 onwards)
- and the humour wasn`t so much over the top as now

And I stay to my opinion: This episodes had made a great movie!
But now you have made me curious. What are the reasons why you don`t seem to like this episodes very much and which one do you think were better?
And how many has YOU seen?

captain jake
April 30th, 2006, 01:59 PM
I have all the dvd's so I have seen all the realeased episodes more then once. And I have watched most of season 9 of SG-1 and 2 of atlantis.

captain jake
April 30th, 2006, 02:00 PM
Probably 99.9%

Mickey23
May 1st, 2006, 12:09 PM
I still not have seen all episodes but I think about 80 % of the show.
And I compared it to some other very popular episodes like Lost City or Avalon.
The reasons why I love "Within the serpent`s Grasp and Serpents Lair are
- great team feel (which I missed in other "big" episodes (especially in Lost City)
- the enemies came over as real tread to earth ( not as on many later episodes when the enemies were almost parodies of themself)
- the show still captured to this time still some of the ancient egypt feeling of the movie anstead going for the generic pseudo Star Trek and pseudo Farscape stuff of the new seasons (I mean season 7 onwards)
- and the humour wasn`t so much over the top as now
And I stay to my opinion: This episodes had made a great movie!
But now you have made me curious. What are the reasons why you don`t seem to like this episodes very much and which one do you think were better?
And how many has YOU seen?
I think some people are comparing these episodes to later ones in terms of special effects/visual effects. True enough, the blowing up of 2 motherships is cool, but not compared to, say, Lost City pt 2 or the fight in Heroes pt 2. Also, compared to later episodes, the threat didn't seem so big. Apophis's 2 motherships versus how many of Anubis's at the end of S7.
That being said, I agree with you. It was a good "team" episode. It had the right amount of humor, perfectly timed, good bantering, a good story. As to the size of the threat, 2 motherships against a world that had no way to defend themselves is a huge threat. Later seasons, they had some new alien technology and Earth technology based on alien technology to defend themselves. Looking at the special effects alone is not really the best way to make a Stargate comparison, IMO.
I really enjoyed these two episodes. And I have seen every episode of Stargate SG-1, and excluding S9 (some I have seen once, some twice), I have seen every episode of S1-8 several times at least.

captain jake
May 2nd, 2006, 07:44 PM
Your right it is hard to compare the missions from 8 years ago, nearly impossible we have come along way since then.

Sheppard
July 19th, 2006, 09:35 PM
yeah it is your right

Harlan's Speechwriter
March 17th, 2007, 12:12 PM
As a newbie I may have missed something here, but how did Skaara come to be Apothis's son? Didn't he go off with another couple (ie not Apothis and Sha're) at the end of Children of the Gods?

I loved this episode though.

garhkal
March 17th, 2007, 08:04 PM
Most believe that 'other family' were the ones responsible to raise and care for Apophis's son, that way if someone attacked apophis directly they would not also get his son in the blasting..

RobertF
March 10th, 2008, 04:29 PM
Alright, I zipped through Season 1 with my Netflix subscription, but I'm still waiting for the Season 2 DVDs to arrive. According to Netflix there is a "Long Wait" and "Very Long Wait" for the first two Season 2 discs, which includes "The Serpent's Lair". I can only surmise that Season 2 is quite a bit more popular than Season 1!

HelloVelo
June 2nd, 2008, 04:32 PM
Classic Stargate. Action, adventure, humor, and a cliffhanger ending.

Rating: 9/10

Full Review: http://stargatesummer.blogspot.com/2008/06/within-serpents-grasp.html

captain jake
June 25th, 2008, 10:52 PM
Alright, I zipped through Season 1 with my Netflix subscription, but I'm still waiting for the Season 2 DVDs to arrive. According to Netflix there is a "Long Wait" and "Very Long Wait" for the first two Season 2 discs, which includes "The Serpent's Lair". I can only surmise that Season 2 is quite a bit more popular than Season 1!

I wouldn't say that, I don't think the second is any more popular than the first. As a matter of fact I would think that more people start the series than finish the entire thing. So a lot of people would be watching the first season and not going through with the rest. However, it could be explained by people purchasing the first season not liking it enough to buy the second so they rent off of Netflix. To tell you the truth it is probably just a coincidence.

captain jake
June 25th, 2008, 10:58 PM
(On A More Relevant Note)

I feel that all of the C4 and secondary explosions they had going for them wouldn't have taken out that entire ship. I would think it would disable the ship make it unable to fly, but that thing exploded like it was lined with explosive material. It would have to be in order to take out the second ship with it.

I just didn't buy that part of the episode, however, I really liked the rest of it.

L E E
June 27th, 2008, 06:55 PM
Argh! Cliffhanger! I hate that...

But, this is a totally exciting episode. Lots of action. Goaulds and Jaffa. Zat guns and Staff weapons. Ships! and Deathgliders. Wow.

I can't wait for my season 2 DVDs.

captain jake
June 27th, 2008, 07:42 PM
Argh! Cliffhanger! I hate that...

But, this is a totally exciting episode. Lots of action. Goaulds and Jaffa. Zat guns and Staff weapons. Ships! and Deathgliders. Wow.

I can't wait for my season 2 DVDs.

Actually this was the first episode that they get their hands on Zat guns. The whole first shot stuns, second shot kills, and third shot disintegrates was a little over the edge. I never really bought the entire third shot thing. I don't think the writers did either, because it was only included in like two other episodes.

L E E
June 27th, 2008, 08:37 PM
Actually this was the first episode that they get their hands on Zat guns.

I know. :)

I've just started watching this series and I just finished watching season 1 for the first time today. So everything is fresh and exciting for me. Being a newbie fan is not so bad. I just need to be careful of threads with spoilers.

I love that in this ep, so many new things were introduced.

captain jake
June 27th, 2008, 08:52 PM
I know. :)

I've just started watching this series and I just finished watching season 1 for the first time today. So everything is fresh and exciting for me. Being a newbie fan is not so bad. I just need to be careful of threads with spoilers.

I love that in this ep, so many new things were introduced.

I often wish that I could be a completely new viewer I am re-watching all the episodes from the beginning in preparation for Atlantis season 5 and Stargate continuum. I am currently on season 2 episode 8 Family, this is my third time through watching all of the episodes. But I know what you mean seeing them on a Goa'uld mother ship was really exciting.

pritnep
July 30th, 2008, 11:48 PM
I always loved this episode and re-watching it again (in order) just makes me realise why I did. Well shot, scripted, acted and lots of new things we learned about the ship and the first time we saw Zat guns (I personally like the 3 shot thing however believe it is or isn't). An awesome cliff-hanger.

I like the SG-1 black ops uniform they went for, remind me of their current uniform. Still looks good on them - looks like Daniel didn't take his glasses/took them off a bit, a little strange. :S

Interesting how nobody ended up reading the sarcophicus. I mean Daniel didn't even try, they just seemed to forget and move on.

Good to see Skaara/Klorel again, first swear word in Stargate SG-1 (I think in this episode) by Jack and rightfully so I think with his emotions just going into overload.

Had to chuckle when Daniel said "I'll just go tell the pilot that" and Jack's comment "I wonder if it will get Showtime" what so they can watch Stargate themselves. :p

Our first look at glinders within their housings on the ship, looked cool seeing them old into them.

The best thing about watching the DVD is to be continued... doesn't hold as much suspense when you know you can grab the next DVD and carry on.

SG1FanOregon
August 3rd, 2008, 07:18 PM
Well LEE It's never too late to start & you've just picked the BEST Sci-Fi show in history & this is coming from a person who's been a Star Trek fan since Kirk was on prime time. I still love Star Trek, but SG1 kicks some serious butt. Most everyone has pointed out everything good about this ep already so instead of a rehash, I'll just say that this season closure is fitting for a show we've all come to love.

ValaDee
August 5th, 2008, 12:59 PM
Well LEE It's never too late to start & you've just picked the BEST Sci-Fi show in history & this is coming from a person who's been a Star Trek fan since Kirk was on prime time. I still love Star Trek, but SG1 kicks some serious butt. Most everyone has pointed out everything good about this ep already so instead of a rehash, I'll just say that this season closure is fitting for a show we've all come to love.

:vala: Yes Star Trek watched it ever since I was a kid...SG1 though takes the cake. It is a great show...(loves watching the repeats.) Though it didn't have tribbles in it, though still managed to get into their own hehe troubles...:)

SG1FanOregon
August 5th, 2008, 05:00 PM
:vala: Yes Star Trek watched it ever since I was a kid...SG1 though takes the cake. It is a great show...(loves watching the repeats.) Though it didn't have tribbles in it, though still managed to get into their own hehe troubles...:)

Mmmmmm TRIBBLES!!!! Battered, deep fried, & dipped in Ranch. Better than popcorn chicken YUM!!!!:cameron:

P-90_177
August 5th, 2008, 05:08 PM
Well LEE It's never too late to start & you've just picked the BEST Sci-Fi show in history & this is coming from a person who's been a Star Trek fan since Kirk was on prime time. I still love Star Trek, but SG1 kicks some serious butt. Most everyone has pointed out everything good about this ep already so instead of a rehash, I'll just say that this season closure is fitting for a show we've all come to love.

It doesn't top Doctor Who..........but it's still pretty cool isn't it? :D

ValaDee
August 5th, 2008, 08:55 PM
It doesn't top Doctor Who..........but it's still pretty cool isn't it? :D

There were only a few ep's of Doctor Who that I liked...I believe SG1 beats it out...just my opinion mind you...

SG1FanOregon
August 5th, 2008, 09:07 PM
There were only a few ep's of Doctor Who that I liked...I believe SG1 beats it out...just my opinion mind you...

:jack: I like Dr Who, but it didnt even finish the 2nd lap before SG1 took the checkered flag. Woooohoooo!!!!

ValaDee
August 8th, 2008, 11:20 AM
:jack: I like Dr Who, but it didnt even finish the 2nd lap before SG1 took the checkered flag. Woooohoooo!!!!

Yes SG1FanOregon...They will always beat out Dr Who in my opinion...SG1 team is #1 in my book now and always!!:vala:

nx01a
August 8th, 2008, 03:10 PM
It doesn't top Doctor Who..........but it's still pretty cool isn't it? :D:D
Just saw it on Sci-Fi again. I watched this the first time it aired and I was totally blown away. The hat'ak sets and the ships themselves, that wonderful pullback shot at the end, Jack shooting Skaara, "Does this get Showtime?" :D

Trent
August 9th, 2008, 09:34 PM
i really loved the episode it was so cool:sam::sam::sam::sam::sam:

Black_Sheep
August 14th, 2008, 07:02 AM
I heard that there is a version where O'Neil refers to the Simpsons, and says "Mmm... Goa'uld TV." instead of "Does this get Showtime?"


:jack_new_anime18:

Pic
August 20th, 2008, 06:39 AM
Easily one of the best eps in season 1. Made up for the budgetary-lean clip episode immediately before this one (Politics) for the special effects and pure awesomeness of this one.

Drama, action, character development ~ simply fantastic!

Bring on season 2!!
:jack: :sam: :daniel: :tealc:

Black_Sheep
August 20th, 2008, 02:38 PM
I agree. This was an awesome episode :)

RononXSpecialist
November 8th, 2008, 03:56 AM
Good Ep. Poor Skarra :( gooo Bray'tec!!. And even if SG-1 did get back to Earth before the ship left, They shouldn't of been courtmarshalled, yeah they didn't follow the chain of command but they also got a new weapon :O the Zats.

Automission
November 9th, 2008, 02:15 PM
You know what I found odd about this episode? General Hammond changed into camo clothing. Why? He's not on a hill, he didn't do any fighting, it was a heavily pointless clothing change.
Also in "there but for the grace of god" when Hammond was a colonel and Jack, who was the general did more fighting. How odd was that? The general doing the fighting.

leiasky
November 9th, 2008, 10:28 PM
This was such a great season ender episode. It had the right amount of excitement, despair and vfx. It's definitely one of my favorites!

amconway
January 4th, 2009, 07:11 PM
This episode and the second part, easily stand with the best episodes ever. It's a teamy rollercoaster!

anarion13
January 5th, 2009, 12:41 AM
as far as episode rating, i give it a 10. among my favorites yes because it is among the originals. cant beat the classic old ones as easy with the series over. these older episodes remind you of 10 yrs or so ago when you first see them. now you watch and probably some people quote the whole episode as their fav character.

Butlersgate
February 23rd, 2009, 09:58 AM
i think it's funny when teal'c says "hyper launch" lmao

amconway
February 23rd, 2009, 11:30 AM
i think it's funny when teal'c says "hyper launch" lmao
I don't remember that, or the context. I'll look for it next time!

Butlersgate
February 23rd, 2009, 11:36 AM
I don't remember that, or the context. I'll look for it next time!

it's around the time they realise they are in hyperspace :)

gateship15
February 24th, 2009, 12:53 AM
this is a great episode both this and the episode that goes with it i like that Skaara is a bad guy and that jack shots him i also like that jack trys to talk to skaara i also like the sentimental moments

The Stig
April 20th, 2009, 03:58 PM
A very good season finale. one of the best of the series.

Dumper
July 8th, 2009, 01:58 PM
I was wondering is this the only Stargate episode that has swearing in it?

Ulkesh47
July 8th, 2009, 02:12 PM
I was wondering is this the only Stargate episode that has swearing in it?
What line are you referring to?

Dumper
July 8th, 2009, 05:23 PM
When Skaara says something like "nothing of the host remains" O'Neill says "bullsh*t". At least that is on the Dvd, i doubt it would be on the aired version.

Ulkesh47
July 8th, 2009, 11:13 PM
When Skaara says something like "nothing of the host remains" O'Neill says "bullsh*t". At least that is on the Dvd, i doubt it would be on the aired version.
Hmm... Off the top of my head, I can't think of anymore "bullsh*ts" but there are many "son of a bi*ch"es. (Daniel in "Menace", Landry in "Unending", etc)

lordofseas
August 2nd, 2009, 09:08 PM
Hmm... Off the top of my head, I can't think of anymore "bullsh*ts" but there are many "son of a bi*ch"es. (Daniel in "Menace", Landry in "Unending", etc)

Martin Lloyd said SOB in 200. I think.

Sp!der
August 19th, 2009, 12:42 PM
thats a cliffhanger for sure! one of the best finales of the entire show i think. great that they introduce the zats, and hyperspace. loved it. but i hate the name klorel, always reminds me of superman ;)

Greenfire32
August 19th, 2009, 01:12 PM
As a newbie I may have missed something here, but how did Skaara come to be Apothis's son? Didn't he go off with another couple (ie not Apothis and Sha're) at the end of Children of the Gods?

I loved this episode though.

Well, I'm no newbie to Stargate and I find myself wondering the same thing. I don't really care though because this was one of my favorite episodes, but I've always wondered about that little mess up.

J-Whitt Remastered
September 2nd, 2009, 03:50 PM
When Skaara says something like "nothing of the host remains" O'Neill says "bullsh*t". At least that is on the Dvd, i doubt it would be on the aired version.

I'm watching this episode as I type and it just passed that part. I was like, "WHOA?!" I had completely forgotten about that line. Either that or I just had not noticed it on my previous DVD viewings.

mrscopterdoc
February 15th, 2010, 08:53 PM
This was good, not my favorite but a good cliffhanger.

Lunaeclipse
May 1st, 2010, 03:33 PM
As a newbie I may have missed something here, but how did Skaara come to be Apothis's son? Didn't he go off with another couple (ie not Apothis and Sha're) at the end of Children of the Gods?

I loved this episode though.

Okay I read the thread and ddin't see an answer to this, unless I missed it. I had always seen the other couple as kind of like personal assistants/viziers/whatever and after watching Pretense I wonder whether one of them was Zapachna because he is dressed in the same style and looks the same, even though I don't think it's the same actor.

In answer to the start question Children of the gods ep was about Apophis choosing the host for his children. So Skaara isn't his child, Klorel is.

rushy
July 4th, 2010, 08:53 AM
I totally think they should kill Klorel... I hate the guy. New Apophis.

Lunaeclipse
July 5th, 2010, 08:22 AM
Hmm... Off the top of my head, I can't think of anymore "bullsh*ts" but there are many "son of a bi*ch"es. (Daniel in "Menace", Landry in "Unending", etc)

For anyone still wondering about this. I think a more direct quote is "That's bull****! Now let him talk to me." It's just before he hits Klorel.

maneth
July 18th, 2010, 12:38 PM
Great season finale! The wait for the second season must've been tense for those who watched the show when it first aired.

Gamma626
August 31st, 2010, 03:48 PM
Just finished season one for the first time! Good finale. Some good episodes. But overall, a mediocre first season.

Tallifer
September 11th, 2010, 12:49 AM
I could not disagree with you more about this first season: almost every episode was terrific. The only one I hated was the one with all the clips from previous shows.

This story itself was a good build-up for the finale coming and it had a good cliffhanger. However, I did not enjoy it as much as many other self-contained stories from the first season. Darkly lit corridors on spaceships do not provide much in the way of wondrous alien atmosphere.

I myself like the stories which more resemble Alice in Wonderland. On the other I think was the best way to handle a story about the invasion of earth: huge flying pyramids and a desparate commando mission.

Lunaeclipse
September 11th, 2010, 12:57 PM
I could not disagree with you more about this first season: almost every episode was terrific. The only one I hated was the one with all the clips from previous shows.

This story itself was a good build-up for the finale coming and it had a good cliffhanger. However, I did not enjoy it as much as many other self-contained stories from the first season. Darkly lit corridors on spaceships do not provide much in the way of wondrous alien atmosphere.

I myself like the stories which more resemble Alice in Wonderland. On the other I think was the best way to handle a story about the invasion of earth: huge flying pyramids and a desparate commando mission.

I think the darkly lit ships was perfect for this episode. Not only did it reflect the nature of the Goa'uld, but it also gave us a visual representation of the situation that SG1 was in - They were all alone on a ship they knew nothing about, with no way to get home or get help if they needed it, trying to stop an invasion that no one in the SGC seemed to believe would happen.

Vagabond Serpent
October 20th, 2010, 04:51 AM
Epsiodes like this do not require much talking as they're simply outstanding but also don't raise hundreds of question like "The Torment of Tantalus" for example. A desperate mission against the orders to shut down the gate, sudden hyper-launch trapping them there. New technology like zat or upgraded Ha'tak which was a big surprise even for Teal'C. Klorel appears on the stage, though when I was watching the season for the first time, I completely forgot the movie and knew not already who was Skaara. (And SG-1 began from "The First Commandment" to me). Perfect mix of drama and humour in the episode. And I can imagine what it was like to wait for half of a year for the second season, if it was awful to wait till tomorrow for me when it first aired! :lol:

10/10.

ChulaksPrincess
October 21st, 2010, 01:15 PM
I enjoyed the parts of the episode where SG-1 was on the Go'uld ship, and Teal'c was explaining about communication devices and weapons to the rest of the team. This was a great show.

thespacechannel
January 13th, 2011, 12:44 PM
nope, it's definitely "medical attack" / "surgical attack"

Starbreaker
January 14th, 2011, 11:59 AM
Ahh... the infamous bull****. Is this line changed to something else on syfy or is it completely edited out?

Lunaeclipse
January 19th, 2011, 04:17 PM
Ahh... the infamous bull****. Is this line changed to something else on syfy or is it completely edited out?

Which is a shame because it's added a certain awesomeness to the scene.

FrodoFraggins
March 19th, 2011, 04:32 AM
9/10
Excellent finale and probably my second or 3rd favorite episode of the season.

The one major annoyance is simply the fact that there was no reason to shoot Skaara to kill. I've just watched all of the S1 episodes in three days and there have been multiple instances where people seem to think they have to shoot to kill. All he needed to do was shoot Skaara in the leg, but no he goes and shoots two shots to the chest.

I was also wondering why they didn't destroy that device skaara places on his hands when he was captured earlier and of course it came back to haunt them. Although in that case he probably had more around.

Lunaeclipse
March 20th, 2011, 08:44 PM
9/10
Excellent finale and probably my second or 3rd favorite episode of the season.

The one major annoyance is simply the fact that there was no reason to shoot Skaara to kill. I've just watched all of the S1 episodes in three days and there have been multiple instances where people seem to think they have to shoot to kill. All he needed to do was shoot Skaara in the leg, but no he goes and shoots two shots to the chest.

I was also wondering why they didn't destroy that device skaara places on his hands when he was captured earlier and of course it came back to haunt them. Although in that case he probably had more around.

I think some things in tv shows are simply for dramatic effect or to carry the storyline on. Being a huge Skarra/Klorel fan I was sad to see Skaara get shot, but understood that it was was Jack thought he had to do to save Daniel. Then I didn't know it he was dead or alive until the next episode, which was probably the point - suspense.

lol... Common sense aludes them again :)... I think ribbon/hand devices are common amongst the Goa'uld and if it had been destroyed then Klorel wouldn't have been able to use it to escape through the rings at the end.

Lunaeclipse
March 21st, 2011, 05:55 PM
There are a few other things that bugged me about it, but only mildly and not enough for me to remove it from my fave eps list :).

1. Maybe it was Klorel's arrogance, but why didn't they do a huge search of the ship after Jack and Teal'c were found?

2. Why did Skaara say Daniel and Sha're's names when he 'emerged'?

maylet
July 16th, 2011, 12:05 PM
I love this episode, the hardest part is when Daniel tells Jack that he's staying behind, because he knows he's going to die.

About Luna's second question, I think he said the names of Daniel and Sha're because they are his family and in the confusion of him being able (for the first time since taken as a host) to control his body and his voice the first thing that comes to him is asking or calling for his family

garhkal
July 16th, 2011, 12:47 PM
That was some of his earliest best acting imo.. Pity he never got any awards for it.

Lunaeclipse
July 16th, 2011, 03:06 PM
That was some of his earliest best acting imo.. Pity he never got any awards for it.

Agreed. :)

Starscape91
August 20th, 2011, 04:10 PM
This was a really great episode. The fact that SG1 defy orders to save the world and risk getting court martialed in Jack and Sams case shows how far they have come since the beginning of the show.

muziqaz
August 21st, 2011, 01:55 AM
I love this episode, the hardest part is when Daniel tells Jack that he's staying behind, because he knows he's going to die.

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Wasn't this from next episode(season 2 episode 1). Or is it different again and this episode and next one are joined?
As all the last episodes and 1st episodes of seasons are great to watch.

Lieutenant Sparrow
August 21st, 2011, 05:44 AM
*Sigh* That's S1 finished :(

My favourite ep of this season. Zat guns, Serpent guards, Ha'tak. What more could you ask for. Besides space battles and Anubis of course.

dtheories
August 21st, 2011, 08:34 AM
One of the best ever cliffhangers I've ever seen. No way off the boat, facing a ship full of powerful enemies and Earth literally in the balance. Yeah!
I got some of the elements in this ep confused with Politics as I watched them back to back, but they're both still fine while the lead up in Grace of God was amazing.
But it's the first ship-side ep with hyperspace and some great one liners, like Medical attack and Hey Pops!
Good way to end season 1!

SF_and_Coffee
August 21st, 2011, 09:55 PM
Well, watching Politics and this one back to back makes complete sense, when you think about it, since Politics leads into Serpent's Grasp. It's a continuation of the same storyline.

Noxbait
August 22nd, 2011, 05:33 AM
Well, watching Politics and this one back to back makes complete sense, when you think about it, since Politics leads into Serpent's Grasp. It's a continuation of the same storyline.


Yeah, they kind of go together. I wanted to skip Politics when I was watching with my mom, but she's never seen all of it, so it was actually pretty vital to watch Politics for all the info and actions (around the clips). Not a bad episode overall, though the clips could've been skipped.

Lunaeclipse
August 23rd, 2011, 11:50 PM
Well, watching Politics and this one back to back makes complete sense, when you think about it, since Politics leads into Serpent's Grasp. It's a continuation of the same storyline.

Agreed. It sets up the duck and run, without 'politics' wanting to shut down the program, they may not have gone through the gate the way they did and would've waited too long. In a clips shows situation I tend to concentrate more on the bits between the clips... and then think about why they may have chosen those particular clips to use... It's all part of the big picture...

Krisz
August 25th, 2011, 02:50 PM
For me this is the best cliff hanger of all the Stargate series' season finales! :)

That shocking moment when SG-1 see Earth through the window on the bridge! It's as great to watch now after many watches and years, as it was the first time.

Jack's comment with the long range communication device... "Does it get Showtime?!" A blank look from Teal'c, not knowing what it was. A funny dig at the cable channel that showed SG1 at the time! Love these little references Stargate does.

The first time of watching for me, any references like this meant nothing as I lived in the UK up until Season 8 of SG-1 was broadcast first. Now living in Canada, many odd cultural references make sense now and are quite amusing!!!

poundpuppy29
August 26th, 2011, 09:32 AM
loved this episode great team episode great cliff hanger

hlndncr
August 26th, 2011, 04:27 PM
I'm getting little bit ahead, but I just couldn't stop watching. I will wait to watch the second part until next week though. Give myself a little taste of what it must have been like for those who were watch SG1 when it first aired and they had to wait months to find out how the team saves the world (you knew they were going to do it one way or another) and whether Skaara survived.

What a great cliff hanger. This series of four interconnected eps spanning from There But for the Grace of God through The Serpent's Lair are really some of the best SG1 had to offer. I think it demonstrates what a great thing this show really had going right from the very beginning.

I love that it ends with our team making the decision to defy orders and do whatever it takes. They've really come a long way and are so close now. And so awesome seeing Skaara again. Reminds us that this is a big reason Jack and Daniel are going through the gate, to find people they love and bring them home.

So excited for Season 2!



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Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
August 27th, 2011, 04:52 AM
I'm getting little bit ahead, but I just couldn't stop watching. I will wait to watch the second part until next week though. Give myself a little taste of what it must have been like for those who were watch SG1 when it first aired and they had to wait months to find out how the team saves the world (you knew they were going to do it one way or another) and whether Skaara survived.

What a great cliff hanger. This series of four interconnected eps spanning from There But for the Grace of God through The Serpent's Lair are really some of the best SG1 had to offer. I think it demonstrates what a great thing this show really had going right from the very beginning.

I love that it ends with our team making the decision to defy orders and do whatever it takes. They've really come a long way and are so close now. And so awesome seeing Skaara again. Reminds us that this is a big reason Jack and Daniel are going through the gate, to find people they love and bring them home.

So excited for Season 2!



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trust me i started watching when i was 10 years old. (when SG-1 Season 3 started) it was hard coming into the show but i enjoyed it. and the wait between finale and seasons were a pain in the neck.

LeftHandedGuitarist
August 28th, 2011, 10:32 AM
Okay, so there's season 1 done and dusted. For me, it's the weakest season of SG-1, so I'm glad it's out of the way. It ends on a high though, with several good episodes spread throughout the second half of the season, and this is a great way to bring it to a close.

This episode is fun, but what really hit me is how small scale it feels compared to the epic season finales and action episodes SG-1 would do later. The sets look so bare, the fight scenes are pretty dull, there aren't many extras and the special effects look pretty low budget. I'm not knocking it for these things, they are a reflection of the budget and the technology the show had at the time. I'm sure back in 1997/1998 the closing pull-back shot of the Goa'uld mothership wowed me, but watching it today it looked like some Babylon 5 quality effect, with unmatched elements and poor resolution!

Still, the show pushed again in a new direction with this episode and introduced us to elements we would become quite familiar with as time went on. Good to see Skaara back, part of me wishes he had appeared more often because he was always great on screen, and one of the precious few links back to the movie.

- First appearance of the zat guns! First appearance of the Goa'uld ship interior!

- Feretti makes his first appearance since the pilot. I never quite understood why they never really used him more, and I don't recall if he appears again. If he does, it can't have been in a very prominent role.

- Daniel seems VERY handy will weaponry all of a sudden. He's got the crouch down, two-handed pistol thing going on, diving around pillars for cover, jumping out and taking guards down. Yeah, we've seen him in action before but this is a whole new level. Maybe he was doing the advanced Air Force combat training course in between episodes?

- After the team come through the gate, they are trying to stay quiet, but O'Neill orders Daniel to send the MALP back! Surely just hiding it would have made more sense? The sound of the gate dialing up and activating is pretty loud. Add to this the very silly fact that O'Neill keeps whispering even while the gate is being noisy.

- Jack swearing in this episode is really out of the blue. Was this another Showtime interference, along the lines of the nudity in the pilot episode? Just to make it a bit more adult? I've never really heard much discussion on this. For what it's worth, the emotion of the scene certainly makes the swearing feel justified.

- Alexis Cruz gives a great performance when Skaara re-emerges and then Klorel takes over again.

- We get a repeat of the moment from The First Commandment here with Carter being replaced by Jack: why oh why doesn't Jack just shoot Skaara in the shoulder/leg? There was no need to shoot to kill. One thing about this I do like, Jack shows military training kicking in and does a double-shot in quick succession.

- The priest who is ordered to remove Teal'c's larvae produces a big nasty looking knife thing. Is his intention to remove the Goa'uld by force, or cutting it out? Would'nt that harm or kill it?! We've seen how easily they can come out numerous times before.

- The Goa'uld really like to keep their door-opening buttons unobtrusive, don't they!

RATING: 7.5 out of 10

Jae'a
August 29th, 2011, 12:14 PM
My LiveJournal post (http://jo-r-lee.livejournal.com/6883.html)

I agree with the majority that this is a great eppy, but of course, the next one has Bra'tac, so... ;)

Nindif
August 30th, 2011, 05:47 AM
This was a really great episode. The fact that SG1 defy orders to save the world and risk getting court martialed in Jack and Sams case shows how far they have come since the beginning of the show.


For me this is the best cliff hanger of all the Stargate series' season finales! :)

That shocking moment when SG-1 see Earth through the window on the bridge! It's as great to watch now after many watches and years, as it was the first time.

Great cliffhanger, could be the best. I agree it is the perfect conclusion to reflect upon the season as a whole and see how far they have come.

As great as the episode is, it couldn't quite reach the top 5 for the season in my reviews compendium. Came in a close 6th place.

chaddergate
August 30th, 2011, 05:06 PM
I love this episode, the hardest part is when Daniel tells Jack that he's staying behind, because he knows he's going to die.

I agree, this was tough. Great episode though, awesome season finale, loved it, especially the final scene.

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
August 30th, 2011, 05:10 PM
Great ending to the first season. And Jack swore, which I thought was kind of forced. Lastly, the Zats (yay) were introduced in this one.

Visual Effects look a little dated (yes, I know it was 1998, and TV Visual Effects were still in it's infancy).

So this ends the first season of the SG-1 section of Stargate Rewatch. So, see you Thursday.

SF_and_Coffee
August 30th, 2011, 06:18 PM
Jack swearing in situations like this always sounds quite realistic to me, given that someone like him in real life (his job, his career, his background) would likely use far more profanity than was ever used in the series.

SG3Marine
August 31st, 2011, 07:06 AM
IMO this was the best episode of Season 1. I liked how Ferretti appeared in this episode, though I don't know why he wasn't around more often. One of the best cliffhangers of the series.

DigiFluid
August 31st, 2011, 05:17 PM
Holy crap I just noticed, Mike Dopud is in this episode!

Very very briefly at the 41:01 mark. Just as Sam and Daniel are busting into the peltak to rescue the captured Jack and Teal'c, Daniel hides behind a pillar to avoid getting zatted. The Serpent guard firing the zat is none other than our favourite Mr Dopud!

http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/1292/s01e22mikedopud.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/847/s01e22mikedopud.jpg/)

jelgate
September 1st, 2011, 09:41 AM
This sets up the classic story telling of SG1 running around Goauld (and later Ori) ships. It also introduces zats. I understand the writers regretted the 3 shot rule of zats but it always annoyed more that SG1 didn't vaporize their enemies more to be more stealthy.

I like how this has action and character emotion. The action is obvious as they run around trying to destroy the Hataks heading towards Earth. I like the character interaction we see as SG1 try to rescue Skarra. Its interesting to note Threshold contradicts this episode when Teal'c says he has never been on a hatak before

garhkal
September 5th, 2011, 04:22 PM
Holy crap I just noticed, Mike Dopud is in this episode!

Very very briefly at the 41:01 mark. Just as Sam and Daniel are busting into the peltak to rescue the captured Jack and Teal'c, Daniel hides behind a pillar to avoid getting zatted. The Serpent guard firing the zat is none other than our favourite Mr Dopud!


Did he get credit? Or was it an uncredited role..

DigiFluid
September 6th, 2011, 09:42 AM
Did he get credit? Or was it an uncredited role..
I didn't see his name in the end credits, and he has no actor credit for it in imdb. He has a stunts credit for SG-1 in 1997 though (no specific episode) so he must have just been one of the stunt guys who was in that day. Fun little appearance to find for us who got to know him later on :D

Matt G
September 8th, 2011, 06:11 AM
It was another Sunday afternoon and...now the final ep of SG1 S1(note I did rewatch this before the end of August).

1. "I'd feel like an idiot" :)

2. Did not expect them to be on an actual ship.

3. Had forgotten about Skarra stopping the priest from removing Teal'c's symbiote.

4. And then the jawdropper of two giant pyramids heading to Earth, a scene I was raving about in RL for some time.

moondragon
October 15th, 2011, 09:25 PM
What a great way to end an already top notch first season. I am so happy i got to see these episodes on SyFy as I never had to sit through long months between the two cliffhangers. There was plenty of action and character conflict to keep you glued to the tv (or monitor) for the entire bit. I will finally be starting season 2 next week and hopefully by November 1 I will be caught up to the Rewatch schedule :)

Lunaeclipse
November 8th, 2011, 02:58 PM
It was another Sunday afternoon and...now the final ep of SG1 S1(note I did rewatch this before the end of August).

1. "I'd feel like an idiot" :)

2. Did not expect them to be on an actual ship.

3. Had forgotten about Skarra stopping the priest from removing Teal'c's symbiote.

4. And then the jawdropper of two giant pyramids heading to Earth, a scene I was raving about in RL for some time.

Skaara's a fighter (for the greater good) at heart, always has been and I like to think he always will be...

Dimes
December 23rd, 2011, 09:50 AM
I don't like that they are attacking Earth :(
Now I hate the Goa'ulds a lot! :P

Jae'a
December 30th, 2011, 06:06 AM
I don't like that they are attacking Earth :(
Now I hate the Goa'ulds a lot! :P

Did you previously like them? :lol:

Reseph(Shed)
December 30th, 2011, 07:50 PM
I had to google Mike Dopud to see who he was. I had no idea that he would appear later but I immediately recognized him from one of the first few pics that came up. I never noticed how many times (or that any) actors were reused throughout the Stargate franchise until discovered the wikis and came here. I may have to compile a list when I'm bored. I can imagine that some may or may not be harder to catch.

hedwig
December 30th, 2011, 09:13 PM
I had to google Mike Dopud to see who he was. I had no idea that he would appear later but I immediately recognized him from one of the first few pics that came up. I never noticed how many times (or that any) actors were reused throughout the Stargate franchise until discovered the wikis and came here. I may have to compile a list when I'm bored. I can imagine that some may or may not be harder to catch.


There's a thread around somewhere that lists as many actors as people could think of who kept popping up throughout SG1, SGA, and SGU. :)

Major Clanger
October 15th, 2012, 01:25 PM
finally finished my first rewatch of S1 in about 10 years. wow, great cliffhanger.

The Zats are too annoying, as are all the hidey-hole opportunities to get away from the vogons er... Jaffa who march around the ship and do nothing.

Falcon Horus
May 24th, 2013, 04:30 AM
Still as excited about this episode as I was when I first saw it, and I have seen it a few times now. SG1 go rogue to save the planet...

First time we see hyperspace and the effects it has on people who are not used to travelling at such velocity ("O'Neill, prepare for..." *thwack against the console he goes* "...extreme decalliration"). First time in the show we're on a Goa'uld ship. I have to say that I have always liked the design of it, both inside and outside. Maybe a little too much gold, but I guess that suits beings who impersonate the many deities Earth was rich at the time the Tauri were enslaved.

The look on their faces when they see Earth, and realize Daniel's prediction is about to become a reality. I really would have liked to have seen Kinsey's face though... Wonder what he would be thinking that moment. "Oh ****..." would probably not cover it. :p

Skaara/Klorel ... back in the flesh.

Oh, and concerning armory... chainmail sleeves really don't wrinkle. Now that I'm paying more attention to detail, it annoys me more and more every time I see a Jaffa in full fake armor. Even the Jaffa out of armor, aren't even wearing (fake) leather hauberks.

fems
May 24th, 2013, 06:01 AM
Kinsey would probably be acting similar to Samuels and demanding he be allowed through the gate, as there should be someone to lead humanity on the Alpha Site should Earth be destroyed... :P

Falcon Horus maybe you could pretend alien chainmail sleeves can wrinkle? It's probably not the same material as we would use on Earth, since everything seems to be made of naquadah, trinium and/or an alloy of both or some other unknown alien mineral/metal everywhere but on Earth! ;)

Falcon Horus
May 24th, 2013, 06:21 AM
Kinsey would probably be acting similar to Samuels and demanding he be allowed through the gate, as there should be someone to lead humanity on the Alpha Site should Earth be destroyed... :P

He probably would.


Falcon Horus maybe you could pretend alien chainmail sleeves can wrinkle? It's probably not the same material as we would use on Earth, since everything seems to be made of naquadah, trinium and/or an alloy of both or some other unknown alien mineral/metal everywhere but on Earth! ;)

Great, now I'm imagining slaves ironing the hauberks. :p Actually, it's a pretty hilarious visual.

garhkal
May 27th, 2013, 02:10 PM
While he may have been like Samuels, i would still like to have seen what his initial reaction would have been.. and whether he gave daniel a "you told me so" glance or such.

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
August 7th, 2013, 07:15 PM
One of my favorite Season Finales from the series.

Seaboe Muffinchucker
October 7th, 2013, 08:17 AM
Season 1, disk 5.

This is the only episode on this disk that I like (I hate one of the others so much that I've never even managed to watch it all the way through). I really like this one.

Jack is competent and serious. Daniel has clearly been learning weapons. Sam puts her team above her career. And Teal'c--is Teal'c: focused on the goal.

This is pretty much the only cliff hanger I really like. Probably because the form was so heavily over-used for the rest of the series (I mean, seriously, every season does not need to end on a cliff-hanger, nor is one required half-way through).

I like that neither Sam nor Teal'c had a clue how fast the ship was traveling. Yes, TPTB seemed to forget in later episodes that these ships were as new to Teal'c as they were to the rest of the team, but that doesn't affect this episode.

Sure, there are problems (how did Skara go from being some random Goa'uld to being Apophis's son? Why did the sarcophagus heal Daniel's clothes as well as his flesh?), but overall this is tight, action filled and well written. Definitely a worthy ending to the first season.

Seaboe

Lunaeclipse
October 7th, 2013, 01:23 PM
Season 1, disk 5.

Sure, there are problems (how did Skara go from being some random Goa'uld to being Apophis's son? Why did the sarcophagus heal Daniel's clothes as well as his flesh?), but overall this is tight, action filled and well written. Definitely a worthy ending to the first season.
Seaboe

Skaara didn't go from being a random Goa'uld to being Apophis' son... They were told before they were chosen that Apophis had come to chose who would be the "Children of the gods"... This told me, when he was chosen, that he was not going to be an average Goa'uld... and I assumed because it was a planet associated with Apophis and because it was Apophis who had come that he would be his son...

... The joke is that some Sarcs fix clothes as well, which seems to be the case in this one because it fixes Klorel's outfit as well...

Seaboe Muffinchucker
October 7th, 2013, 02:21 PM
But the couple he goes off with in Children of the Gods is not Apophis and what's 'er face who inhabits Sha're. So somewhere along the line TPTB changed their minds concerning who inhabited Skaara.

Seaboe

Lunaeclipse
October 7th, 2013, 04:48 PM
But the couple he goes off with in Children of the Gods is not Apophis and what's 'er face who inhabits Sha're. So somewhere along the line TPTB changed their minds concerning who inhabited Skaara.

Seaboe

I just took that to mean that they were his 'minders/advisers' so to speak... and the guy who helped choose him to be an early version of Zapacna, although with a different actor...

SF_and_Coffee
October 7th, 2013, 06:17 PM
If the idea is that most Goa'uld symbiotes who take even female hosts are not queens, and it is understood that only the queens are actually female and thus capable of spawning, then the Goa'uld couple with whom Klorel/Skaara left the planet were not his biological parents (and indeed, were both biologically male or male-equivalent, regardless of the genders of their host bodies).

This would make them foster parents. I have very little trouble imagining a system of fosterage among the Goa'uld, in which the many, many larvae produced by the relatively few queens are, once implanted in hosts, sent off for a period of instruction and settling-into-adulthood under the careful tutelage of those whom the System Lord trusts (as these newly-mature Goa'uld are biologically his offspring, and his queen's). Fosterage was common in medieval Europe's feudal society (for example, in medieval Ireland (http://www.culturalheritageireland.ie/index.php/irish-history-from-the-annals/80-irish-history-from-the-annals/181-fosterage) as well as elsewhere (http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract;jsessionid=D808916A7094C8072FA9A4FF54A2891F.journals?fromPage=on line&aid=412731)), and the Goa'uld are essentially feudal in organization, so it isn't at all surprising that they might well have developed a similar system for the polishing of their newly-matured offspring.

Ergo, Klorel (the Goa'uld inhabiting Skaara's body) would be the biological son of Apophis and Amaunet, but spend some time fostered in the household of whomever that other couple was (most likely minor nobles in Apophis' court hierarchy).

Lunaeclipse
October 7th, 2013, 06:46 PM
If the idea is that most Goa'uld symbiotes who take even female hosts are not queens, and it is understood that only the queens are actually female and thus capable of spawning, then the Goa'uld couple with whom Klorel/Skaara left the planet were not his biological parents (and indeed, were both biologically male or male-equivalent, regardless of the genders of their host bodies).

This would make them foster parents. I have very little trouble imagining a system of fosterage among the Goa'uld, in which the many, many larvae produced by the relatively few queens are, once implanted in hosts, sent off for a period of instruction and settling-in (to adulthood) under the careful tutelage of those whom the System Lord trusts (as these newly-mature Goa'uld are biologically his offspring, and his queen's). Fosterage was common in medieval Europe's feudal society (for example, in medieval Ireland (http://www.culturalheritageireland.ie/index.php/irish-history-from-the-annals/80-irish-history-from-the-annals/181-fosterage) as well as elsewhere (http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract;jsessionid=D808916A7094C8072FA9A4FF54A2891F.journals?fromPage=on line&aid=412731)), and the Goa'uld are essentially feudal in organization, so it isn't at all surprising that they might well have developed a similar system for the polishing of their newly-matured offspring.

Ergo, Klorel (the Goa'uld inhabiting Skaara's body) would be the biological son of Apophis and Amaunet, but spend some time fostered in the household of whomever that other couple was (most likely minor nobles in Apophis' court hierarchy).

and because Zapacna shows up in Pretense I assume that it was Zippy in COTG...

Seaboe Muffinchucker
October 8th, 2013, 07:22 AM
Sure, we can come up with explanations for all of this stuff--and most of the other times TPTB screwed up--but IMO that doesn't make it less of a screw up. I've never thought TPTB had the whole thing planned out from the beginning; that's just not how TV works. They do one thing (as they did in the pilot) and then another, better (sometimes) idea comes along, so they do that, even though it doesn't match what happened earlier.

Seaboe

SF_and_Coffee
October 8th, 2013, 09:18 AM
I enjoy looking for ways to make logical, in-universe explanations for certain things and in that way make the possible "screw-up" disappear. In those cases where I can't find a logically consistent way to do that, I just decide which of two (or more) competing items to discard as "oops, they really goofed on that".

Although I don't have any trouble imagining that the arc moving from COTG to "Within The Serpent's Grasp" was already thought-out at the time COTG was written and somewhere along the way someone simply forgot to mention explicitly (or TPTB weren't thinking when they cut footage) that all of those Goa'uld really were Apophis' offspring.

fems
October 8th, 2013, 11:21 AM
It was pretty clear (to me, anyway) that Apophis was the one God on Chulak and thus it were his children that were going to get chosen. He probably just felt it was beneath him to move through the crowd of unruly humans to choose a host and thus had some of his underlords inspect them for him.

Also, considering Amaunet had just matured it's not too far-fetched to imagine any other Goa'uld had, whether they were all from the same batch and father or not. Therefore, I thought the reveal in WtSG was no more than logical.

Lunaeclipse
October 8th, 2013, 08:20 PM
Sure, we can come up with explanations for all of this stuff--and most of the other times TPTB screwed up--but IMO that doesn't make it less of a screw up. I've never thought TPTB had the whole thing planned out from the beginning; that's just not how TV works. They do one thing (as they did in the pilot) and then another, better (sometimes) idea comes along, so they do that, even though it doesn't match what happened earlier.

Seaboe

What is your whole reason for believing that it was a screw up and not an intentional thing?


Personally I don't believe that it is far fetched for royalty to have a nanny or a few people look after their children... it's been done in history...

Seaboe Muffinchucker
October 9th, 2013, 07:55 AM
What is your whole reason for believing that it was a screw up and not an intentional thing?

What, you think what I've already said isn't reason enough? Fine. My "whole" reason for thinking it's a screw up? There are a number of things in the pilot that differ from the series; this is just one. I happen to believe that television writers have limited interest in continuity in this much detail, and that they're more interested in good drama than keeping track of petty details. You're free to disagree.

Seaboe

Lunaeclipse
October 9th, 2013, 06:23 PM
What, you think what I've already said isn't reason enough? Fine. My "whole" reason for thinking it's a screw up? There are a number of things in the pilot that differ from the series; this is just one. I happen to believe that television writers have limited interest in continuity in this much detail, and that they're more interested in good drama than keeping track of petty details. You're free to disagree.

Seaboe

...Okay so not so clear.... There was a few different writers as far as I know by the start credits... I'm not sure exactly how their writing system worked and maybe they weren't as organized at first... or maybe they were told to change the thing by someone up higher... It's always easy to blame the writer/s, but unless you know all the ins and out is that really fair? As someone who likes to write I love continuity and for me I can follow that in my stories because I am the only one working on them, but I'd imagine that it would be harder to track when there are so many working at writing a series probably at the same time... so I'd agree that maybe in places that needed to be checked properly, but nothing on this Earth is perfect, so I'll live with the bits that aren't and be happy with the bits that did work... however I do not count Klorel going off with someone else as one of those things that didn't...

Seaboe Muffinchucker
October 10th, 2013, 07:45 AM
When I say TPTB, I'm not referring to the individual writers so much as the producers, story editors and such. It's their job to keep track of continuity. Plus, IIRC, the pilot was written by Brad and his then partner; given Brad's status as creator, changes from the pilot to the series, IMO, definitely fall into the screw up and/or changed my mind categories.

The stuff about going with a new idea even when it contradicts what's come before is a paraphrase of something I was once told by Marion Zimmer Bradley. (http://www.mzbworks.com/) She was speaking in the context of complaints about continuity errors in her Darkover series.

Seaboe

Lunaeclipse
October 10th, 2013, 12:15 PM
When I say TPTB, I'm not referring to the individual writers so much as the producers, story editors and such. It's their job to keep track of continuity. Plus, IIRC, the pilot was written by Brad and his then partner; given Brad's status as creator, changes from the pilot to the series, IMO, definitely fall into the screw up and/or changed my mind categories.

The stuff about going with a new idea even when it contradicts what's come before is a paraphrase of something I was once told by Marion Zimmer Bradley. (http://www.mzbworks.com/) She was speaking in the context of complaints about continuity errors in her Darkover series.

Seaboe

Yeah. I get your point now. :) I agree that some of the changes were probably because they changed their minds about something... or perhaps forgot what the rules of the universe they created work... perhaps even because it made a future story work... but I try to make allowances for the early eps, more than the later ones, because they were just getting started and no one can tell the future of how it's all going to work...

Seaboe Muffinchucker
October 10th, 2013, 02:00 PM
Of course we make allowances and (as SF&C said) come up with explanations. None of that, however, changes the fact that these things are mistakes.

My point in the first place was that, despite the mistakes, I really like this episode. ETA: Heck, I love MacGyver, too, and that show is a disaster as far as continuity is concerned (Mac would have to be 75 to have done--professionally--all the different things he's supposed to have done before he took the job with the Phoenix Foundation).

Seaboe

Lunaeclipse
October 10th, 2013, 02:10 PM
Of course we make allowances and (as SF&C said) come up with explanations. None of that, however, changes the fact that these things are mistakes.

My point in the first place was that, despite the mistakes, I really like this episode. ETA: Heck, I love MacGyver, too, and that show is a disaster as far as continuity is concerned (Mac would have to be 75 to have done--professionally--all the different things he's supposed to have done before he took the job with the Phoenix Foundation).

Seaboe

lol... Yeah... Ah, how the film/tv world has changed. :)

Seaboe Muffinchucker
October 10th, 2013, 03:57 PM
Not really, or rather, not in all cases. The continuity on Remington Steele is amazingly consistent. Sure, there are some glitches but I can't remember any involving the background of the characters.

Seaboe

Brother Freyr
October 10th, 2013, 04:13 PM
Of course we make allowances and (as SF&C said) come up with explanations. None of that, however, changes the fact that these things are mistakes.

My point in the first place was that, despite the mistakes, I really like this episode....Really well stated. As fans on a fansite, we sometimes identify flaws, plot holes, continuity errors, etc. We try to rationalize them, when we can, with plausible explanations. Sometimes we can't. We still love the series.

escyos
April 14th, 2014, 06:46 PM
You know, I just realized that the long-range communications device was probably put in the middle of the Stargate to prevent anyone from dialing in while they were in orbit of Earth.

Seaboe Muffinchucker
April 15th, 2014, 07:45 AM
But would it? It doesn't touch the sides of the gate, so there is space around it for the kwoosh.

Seaboe

garhkal
April 15th, 2014, 03:16 PM
The coverstone does not seem to touch the sides either, but it blocks it working.

McAvoy
April 15th, 2014, 03:36 PM
But would it? It doesn't touch the sides of the gate, so there is space around it for the kwoosh.

Seaboe

They just have be in the ring to prevent the full formation of whoosh. They don't have to touch the ring, just prevent it from fully forming.

Seaboe Muffinchucker
April 16th, 2014, 08:48 AM
They just have be in the ring to prevent the full formation of whoosh. They don't have to touch the ring, just prevent it from fully forming.

Cite, please.

Seaboe

McAvoy
April 17th, 2014, 02:35 PM
Cite, please.

Seaboe

Uhhh... this is common knowledge. Why do you think they bury it or put coverstones on it so that the Gate would not turn activate when dialed? Sheer weight? You thought stuff had to be touching it?

No you got stuff blocking it from the inside of the ring itself.

Wasn't there an episode with the Iris was knocked out of alignment and prevent dialing?

Seaboe Muffinchucker
April 21st, 2014, 07:39 AM
I don't agree that it is common knowledge that you can block the gate with something that does not fill in the entire ring. Both cover stones and burying it do just that (as does the iris).

So I disagree that the vokume would block the gate.

Seaboe

P-90_177
April 21st, 2014, 07:58 AM
They just have be in the ring to prevent the full formation of whoosh. They don't have to touch the ring, just prevent it from fully forming.

If that were true then the many times when they wanted to block an incoming wormhole would have been solved by simply asking an airman to step within the ring before it activates.

Lunaeclipse
April 21st, 2014, 05:40 PM
Uhhh... this is common knowledge. Why do you think they bury it or put coverstones on it so that the Gate would not turn activate when dialed? Sheer weight? You thought stuff had to be touching it?

No you got stuff blocking it from the inside of the ring itself.

Wasn't there an episode with the Iris was knocked out of alignment and prevent dialing?

It was buried in the movie. but still activated. That is how we ended up with fossils Jack was looking at. Which, for me, means they got through, but just were not successful when they did...

http://www.gateworld.net/gallery/displayimage.php?album=251&pid=4520#top_display_media

Seaboe Muffinchucker
April 22nd, 2014, 07:13 AM
I don't generally equate movie canon with show canon--they made too many changes from the source material (starting with the name of Jack's son and the spelling of his name).

Seaboe

Lunaeclipse
April 22nd, 2014, 07:54 PM
I don't generally equate movie canon with show canon--they made too many changes from the source material (starting with the name of Jack's son and the spelling of his name).

Seaboe

But it also goes without saying that they added an iris to work the same way in the show...

Seaboe Muffinchucker
April 23rd, 2014, 06:58 AM
Now I'm confused. Are you agreeing with me that the entire ring needs to be filled in order to block it, and that the vokume, which just hangs in the middle, isn't sufficient?

Seaboe

Lunaeclipse
April 23rd, 2014, 03:53 PM
Now I'm confused. Are you agreeing with me that the entire ring needs to be filled in order to block it, and that the vokume, which just hangs in the middle, isn't sufficient?

Seaboe

I'm saying that if the gate is either buried or has an iris....it seems to still dial and be active, but the iris or being buried means that the being trying to get through doesn't make it through, hence the banging sounds on the gate when the iris is closed.

AsgardGirl
September 15th, 2014, 08:14 AM
A goa'uld motherships, finally. It is a very good episode. It has a good action, movement forward in the story and one of the best cliffhanger in the show.

ngewakl
February 10th, 2015, 01:38 PM
Great episode! Finally finished season one of my rewatch. On to season 2. Cliffhanger endings are great when you don't have to wait till next year!

jelgate
February 10th, 2015, 02:18 PM
And the Serpent's Lair is a great season premiere

maneth
September 1st, 2015, 08:18 PM
Great episode, one of my favorites.

Anja
September 5th, 2015, 07:25 AM
Nice - SG1 misbehaving! Prepared to die for saving the planet.
Great!:D

Tyrathraxus
June 14th, 2016, 11:02 PM
And the first Gorgeous Interior shots of a Go'auld Hatak. Sure we only saw probably the same room plus the Storage/Gate room and a Corridor but the attention to detail was Great. The Iconography on the walls, the doors and so on. Loved it.

in later seasons SG-1 got too glossy but the Showtime era is the best .

Anja
June 15th, 2016, 02:16 AM
in later seasons SG-1 got too glossy but the Showtime era is the best .

What do you mean by glossy?

garhkal
June 15th, 2016, 08:36 AM
One thing i would Love for the makers of the SG shows to put out, is a book of Cross-sections of ships, giving us a layout of sorts for some of the iconic ships..
A Hat'ak.
A 304
The Prometheus
A wraith hive/cruiser
Atlantis
and the Destiny!

Falcon Horus
June 15th, 2016, 09:34 AM
Kinda like what they do for Star Wars. :)

Tyrathraxus
June 15th, 2016, 08:05 PM
Glossy. There was more long shots, less a focus of the horror aspects of the show. More action over substance. Everyone was made a lot brighter and more.. glossy.

garhkal
June 19th, 2016, 08:24 PM
Kinda like what they do for Star Wars. :)

And Trek!!

Tyrathraxus
June 20th, 2016, 01:30 AM
This episode was of course the first cliffhanger they did. Loved the return of Bra'tac and then all the attention to detail the props team do.

Falcon Horus
November 28th, 2017, 04:08 PM
Oh darn it, Senator Kinsey, would you look at that now -- Daniel was right!

I hope he feels like an idiot and worse -- unless he still believes god's going to save his sorry a$$.

Anyway, here we are, at the end of the first season, hitting the first To be continued.... Good thing I don't have to wait a whole year for the continuing episode. Just one workday.

I've always enjoyed this episode and it's a nice set-up to what is to come. I'm also very happy they decided against killing Klorel/Skaara cause that would have meant a few stories that would have never been made or gone very differently.

So basically, SG-1 goes off to the coordinates Daniel brought back from the AU, and end up on a ship. Hyperlaunch sends them flying, except Teal'c who has the good sense of holding on to something. Kinda like how he "forgot" to mention that 3rd Zat-option... OH, IT'S HERE!!! The Zat'n'ktel!

It's one replica prop I still want to add to the collection -- preferably one that opens and closes, but they are bloody expensive everywhere I look, so I'm hoping to maybe one day build one myself ... somehow. Maybe PharaohHamenthotep could be of assistance -- must ask sometime.

Surprise, they bump into Klorel, who happens to be Apophis' son -- sounds like he's the biological Goa'uld-son somehow. Not gonna ponder about that too much cause EW! And he also happens to lead the assault on Earth. Woops!

Jack wants to save Skaara if possible, and then all goes to hell in a handbasket -- cause when doesn't it.

Also, who knew Goa'uld vessels had concrete floors. :p Battered concrete floors -- must be all those Jaffa soldiers walking around out of sink with the marching sounds.

Anyway... the verdict...

How would you rate SG-1's "Within the Serpent's Grasp?"

Excellent
Good
Fair
Poor
Terrible

Not a moment boring so excellent for me.

Seaboe Muffinchucker
November 29th, 2017, 07:26 AM
I do like this episode a lot, even with all the inconsistencies to prior (and later) episodes.

Seaboe

Falcon Horus
December 3rd, 2017, 04:23 PM
For participation in the 3-episode quiz, dealing with Politics, Within The Serpent's Grasp and The Serpent's Lair -- this way please (https://goo.gl/forms/IqeiXsmjJk711ccj2).

Jigsaw puzzle's here!! (https://www.jigidi.com/solve.php?id=3A0EQCY4)

jelgate
December 3rd, 2017, 07:30 PM
I'm not as forgiving as FH. I'm giving it a good. I fully admit that what keeps it from excellent is hindsight in that their are things in this episode that are contradicted in later episodes. This is really the first of several times SG1 gets to run around a Hatak and cause mischief. I do however question the wisdom of kidnapping a person when the element of surprise is your only advantage. I remember thinking that ending shoot of the Hataks over Earth was the coolest thing ever.

This was a hard puzzle for me. I only got a 10 minutes and 11 seconds. The dark colors made it hard to find patterns. This might be the time tood actually beat. If so I will take is gracefully. And by gracefully I mean throw a fit and deny it happened

Falcon Horus
December 4th, 2017, 03:15 AM
LOL -- at least, you're back to solving them under an hour. :p

mooseman
December 4th, 2017, 01:28 PM
Is this the only instance where a taboo word (bulls**t) was used in the regular episodes?
I noticed Hulu changed the audio to "I know that's not true" but left the captioning as "That's bulls**t!"

Good episode, great way to end season 1. Although, I might not say that if I had to wait months for the next ep.

Falcon Horus
December 5th, 2017, 01:15 AM
I know that the UK censors violence -- just cuts out entire blocks of frames to mask it, which made watching that one episode of Warehouse 13 with the metallic creature nearly killing Pete fascinating.

Therefore, it's not too farfetched to think that there are other instances where swearwords are dubbed for whatever reason.

aretood2
December 9th, 2017, 07:29 PM
I'm not as forgiving as FH. I'm giving it a good. I fully admit that what keeps it from excellent is hindsight in that their are things in this episode that are contradicted in later episodes. This is really the first of several times SG1 gets to run around a Hatak and cause mischief. I do however question the wisdom of kidnapping a person when the element of surprise is your only advantage. I remember thinking that ending shoot of the Hataks over Earth was the coolest thing ever.

This was a hard puzzle for me. I only got a 10 minutes and 11 seconds. The dark colors made it hard to find patterns. This might be the time tood actually beat. If so I will take is gracefully. And by gracefully I mean throw a fit and deny it happened

The blurred background is what threw me off. 12 Minutes and 39 Seconds and it's time for bed.

P-90_177
December 9th, 2017, 10:25 PM
I know that the UK censors violence -- just cuts out entire blocks of frames to mask it, which made watching that one episode of Warehouse 13 with the metallic creature nearly killing Pete fascinating.

Therefore, it's not too farfetched to think that there are other instances where swearwords are dubbed for whatever reason.

Sky did dub it whenever the episode was shown in it's 5-6pm slot. But I do clearly remember the proper line used when it was first aired.

But otherwise yes it is the only time a swear word is used in the show.

aretood2
December 10th, 2017, 11:58 AM
This brings back the whole censorship debate threads that we had.

hedwig
December 10th, 2017, 01:51 PM
Sky did dub it whenever the episode was shown in it's 5-6pm slot. But I do clearly remember the proper line used when it was first aired.

But otherwise yes it is the only time a swear word is used in the show.

Is this the one where Jack says "Son of a B****"?

aretood2
December 10th, 2017, 04:40 PM
Who needs cursing when you had "For crying out loud!" :D

jelgate
December 10th, 2017, 05:38 PM
Their is that line change between Showtime and Goa'uld TV

Falcon Horus
January 13th, 2018, 03:08 PM
Only a few seconds slower than the master: 10:24

photoglyph
February 6th, 2018, 06:08 PM
20 and change for me... thought it was more difficult

Falcon Horus
February 7th, 2018, 07:01 AM
20 and change for me... thought it was more difficult

It might have been... :p
Solitudes sure is.

BethHG
June 15th, 2018, 06:46 AM
15:43

Excellent episode!

Zats have to be the weirdest weapon-- cool, but weird. Of course, I saw the video when MS told what he thought of Zats and that has colored my view of them. :jack_new_anime25:;)

Those Goa'uld mother ships have lots of storage space! Awesome spaceship set!

Great Jack/ Skarra scene, and loved the interaction with Sam and Daniel.

Who Knows
September 7th, 2018, 02:50 AM
13.33

hedwig
September 7th, 2018, 03:44 PM
14:57
15/15

Falcon Horus
September 8th, 2018, 03:21 AM
Yup, those jigsaws were definitely on the crazy side. :p