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Snowman37
October 12th, 2011, 10:54 AM
Are you content with how the show ended? Rather than focus on how it should have ended, I want to focus on how it did end. What did you like, and what didn't you like? Discussion isn't limited to the final episodes, but rather the fifth season overall. My only issue with the show's ending was that there was no build-up. I know the show was cancelled and that "Enemy at the Gate" was suppose to be a stand-alone season finale, but still... as big as that episode was, I'd have liked to see a build-up over at least a few episodes. "Vegas" just didn't cut it as a build-up. One thing I did like about this season was that two key story lines were resolved: Weir and Michael, two loose ends that had to be wrapped up before the show ended. Michael's story line got a great ending, Weir... not so much. The episode was good, I just hate that she was left adrift in space. The final episodes after the big mid-season two-parter were pretty good. The only one I found myself bored with was "Vegas." I'm in the minority here, but I found it to be really pointless. The ending with Earth's location accidentally broadcast to alternate realities was far fetched, even for Stargate. Though "Enemy at the Gate" had a rushed ending, I thought it was a great episode to end the series on. Yes, there's the nagging issue of unresolved stories and character arcs, but that's to be expected when a show is cancelled. Back during the show's first season, I predicted the city would fly back to Earth in the series finale. I was so happy to see that happen, because... for me, it just had to end that way. Naturally, a Wraith hive making it all the way to Earth gave good reason for Atlantis to make the journey to Earth. One issue I had with the finale, though... how do you hide a Wraith hive attack from the people of Earth? :S

Quizziard
October 12th, 2011, 11:31 AM
One issue I had with the finale, though... how do you hide a Wraith hive attack from the people of Earth? :S
How much of it, really, would have been visible? The Dart attack was the middle of Area 51, which as we all know is large and barren (on purpose). How much of a "space battle" would be visible from the ground for people who weren't looking for it?

lordofseas
October 12th, 2011, 12:12 PM
I did not like EatG. I did not like Vegas. I really did not like the latter half of Season 5.

thekillman
October 12th, 2011, 12:26 PM
i liked vegas a lot. Enemy at the Gate should've been a 2 or 3 parter, as it was WAY too rushed on every level

AtlantisRules!!!
October 12th, 2011, 12:29 PM
EatG was a bit too rushed, but I still liked it. I would rather SGa had kept going but I'm not unhappy with how it ended. :p

WraithRichard
October 12th, 2011, 12:59 PM
Stargate is all about breaking rules to save earth and then being praised for it. It was about equality in species.

It ended with a kick in the nuts to that sort or moral ideal. Todd behaved, saved earth, didn't even argue with not being let on the bridge or having to wear that horrible outfit. Chuck him out the Stargate and send him home at least.

escyos
October 12th, 2011, 11:04 PM
Are you content with how the show ended? Rather than focus on how it should have ended, I want to focus on how it did end. What did you like, and what didn't you like? Discussion isn't limited to the final episodes, but rather the fifth season overall. My only issue with the show's ending was that there was no build-up. I know the show was cancelled and that "Enemy at the Gate" was suppose to be a stand-alone season finale, but still... as big as that episode was, I'd have liked to see a build-up over at least a few episodes. "Vegas" just didn't cut it as a build-up. One thing I did like about this season was that two key story lines were resolved: Weir and Michael, two loose ends that had to be wrapped up before the show ended. Michael's story line got a great ending, Weir... not so much. The episode was good, I just hate that she was left adrift in space. The final episodes after the big mid-season two-parter were pretty good. The only one I found myself bored with was "Vegas." I'm in the minority here, but I found it to be really pointless. The ending with Earth's location accidentally broadcast to alternate realities was far fetched, even for Stargate. Though "Enemy at the Gate" had a rushed ending, I thought it was a great episode to end the series on. Yes, there's the nagging issue of unresolved stories and character arcs, but that's to be expected when a show is cancelled. Back during the show's first season, I predicted the city would fly back to Earth in the series finale. I was so happy to see that happen, because... for me, it just had to end that way. Naturally, a Wraith hive making it all the way to Earth gave good reason for Atlantis to make the journey to Earth. One issue I had with the finale, though... how do you hide a Wraith hive attack from the people of Earth? :S

I LOVED Vegas and I LOVED EATG. Season 5 was among the best seasons of Stargate that ever was.

As for hiding the hive from Earth, they don't monitor the entire sky, its too big and any military/super-expensive civilian telescopes would be easier for them to cover up. Plus with it being day time in america and the hive blew up it would have been less noticable. Plus I don't know about you but I sure don't stare at the sky all the time, I barely look at it, most people don't, why would they notice it.

Snowman37
October 14th, 2011, 11:32 AM
How much of it, really, would have been visible? The Dart attack was the middle of Area 51, which as we all know is large and barren (on purpose). How much of a "space battle" would be visible from the ground for people who weren't looking for it?
The higher up into the atmosphere, the further away it can be seen from the ground. Someone, somewhere in Nevada would have noticed, quite a lot, actually. You might be able to tell people it was a terrestrial aerial fight, but then how do you explain how it happened to begin with and who was engaging the U.S. Air Force and why? As for Atlantis and the Wraith hive in orbit, you can see the moon in broad daylight if it's high enough in the sky. Don't you think people would have noticed two big space ships shooting each other up in high orbit? Especially as big as they are. They may simply look like two UFO's shooting at each other, but they'd be visible. All it takes is one person looking up at a bird or something, holy smokes, now everyone's staring at the strange objects in the sky, now whole towns, cities, now the news networks... you get the idea.

The Flyattractor
October 14th, 2011, 01:38 PM
It was more action packed and exciting then the SG1 series finale.

bluealien
October 15th, 2011, 09:28 AM
Most of the episodes in the second half of season 5 could have been scrapped. There was no lead up to the events in Eatg... we could have done without Brain Storm/Tracker/Identity and Vegas.. they were all pointless episodes that didn't really achieve anything.

Eatg had potential and yes it was action packed but it had far too many implausible scenarios... Sheppard having to go back to Earth was contrived - why didn't Jack control the chair and Clone Carson flying the city was rediculous - he couldn't even manage a drone back in season one.

I would have preferred a slow and intelligent build up to Eatg instead of all the love triangle nonsence and the overuse of McKay and total lack of other characters..

Snowman37
October 16th, 2011, 11:33 PM
There was no lead up to the events in Eatg... we could have done without Brain Storm/Tracker/Identity and Vegas.. they were all pointless episodes that didn't really achieve anything.
I liked "Tracker" and "Identity." As for "Brain Storm" and "Vegas," I'll agree with you there. "Brain Storm" was basically the McKay hour, and "Vegas" was downright pointless. Remember the build up to Season 1's "The Siege?" We needed that kind of build up to "Enemy at the Gate."


Eatg had potential and yes it was action packed but it had far too many implausible scenarios... Sheppard having to go back to Earth was contrived - why didn't Jack control the chair and Clone Carson flying the city was rediculous - he couldn't even manage a drone back in season one.
Structurally speaking, I agree. I didn't mind Sheppard gating back to Earth to activate the Ancient outpost and use the drone weapons. However, the chair being moved to Area 51? Stupid. What is the chair, a remote control? Stupid. I do like the idea of Jack O'Neill using the chair, perhaps a brief cameo rather than a full guest appearance. I didn't mind Clone Carson flying the city. I always assumed he was bad at using Ancient technology due to his own fears.


I would have preferred a slow and intelligent build up to Eatg instead of all the love triangle nonsence and the overuse of McKay and total lack of other characters..
Bingo. I didn't mind the fifth season being largely episodic, but I agree. Less McKay, drop the love triangle, and build up to the finale.

AnthonyAppleyard
January 15th, 2013, 06:39 AM
About loss of secrecy, I have been wondering, if the Stargate events continue indefinitely, how long before an uncoverable leak, and how long before the Government admits to the public that Earth now has faster-than-light interstellar travel and space weapons.

AtlantisStargate
July 10th, 2013, 11:15 AM
About loss of secrecy, I have been wondering, if the Stargate events continue indefinitely, how long before an uncoverable leak, and how long before the Government admits to the public that Earth now has faster-than-light interstellar travel and space weapons.

I believe that they would keep it a secret for as long as possible until at least over half of the general population have knowledge of the Stargate. By then, hopefully it wouldn't create as much panic. If this were real of course hahaha

Twi'lek
April 1st, 2014, 11:24 AM
Nope

Davey
February 28th, 2019, 05:08 PM
I have only 3 episodes left. But I have very mixed feelings. It seemed that much of the show in the last season or so was deteriorating into a live-action video game filling time with lots of shooting, bang, bang. That's not how it used to be. If that was where it was headed for a potential Season 6 then it's better that it ended. I say this reluctantly because I came to like the show and all the main characters, including Todd....but I couldn't help seeing it going down (just like the Wraith ship in Infection) for a crash landing.

DigiFluid
March 1st, 2019, 03:37 AM
At the time, I was plenty satisfied that it was over... I wasn't satisfied with how the Expedition had been written and handled, I believed (and still do) that they had been written as unrepentant war criminals. I didn't like that the main villain of the series had been sidelined for a year just to make room to retread Replicators, a villain we'd already done a lot in SG-1. I hated that they'd killed off Carson in such a stupid way, and then robbed that terrible death of any emotional impact by backpedaling a year later. I found that I was loving all the show's side characters and hating the main characters. And that finale--oh my god, "Enemy at the Gate" remains one of the worst series finales I have ever had the misfortune of watching.

But you know what? Ten years later, I miss the hell out of it. I wish like crazy we'd gotten a Season 6 and 7. I have a file on my Google Docs where, when the mood takes me, I like to lay out how I would redo Atlantis, cherrypicking the stuff I liked and making them more interesting (to me), shifting them around in the storylines (with the benefit of hindsight), dreaming up what might have been.

If they revived Atlantis today, I'd be all over it.

Chaka-Z0
March 1st, 2019, 06:44 AM
and that finale--oh my god, "enemy at the gate" remains one of the worst series finales i have ever had the misfortune of watching.

:eek:

I thought it was a really good episode personally, obviously not satisfying as a finale (would any episode be?). Other than that I agree with you.

DigiFluid
March 1st, 2019, 07:49 AM
:eek:

I thought it was a really good episode personally, obviously not satisfying as a finale (would any episode be?). Other than that I agree with you.

*Zoidberg voice: YOUR OPINION IS BAD AND YOU SHOULD FEEL BAD!*



I'm kidding :lol: Different strokes, and all that. We can't all love the same things :)

Chaka-Z0
March 1st, 2019, 10:55 AM
*Zoidberg voice: YOUR OPINION IS BAD AND YOU SHOULD FEEL BAD!*



I'm kidding :lol: Different strokes, and all that. We can't all love the same things :)

Haha all good man, but I thought about it a bit and it's true the first times around I was really in a "wtf" state of mind, bc of the cancellation of SGA. I do at least one complete rewatch of SG each year and now that the cancellation is behind me I learned to enjoy this finale.

Still feels rushed, but this episode has everything that's good about SGA. You've got an Hive ship ops, you've got Atlantis in a space battle, you've got the tech issues being solved by our scientists, you've got Todd, and of course they went full budget on that one.

But I tend to skip the final scene, just like SGU, it's hard to watch the crew saying bye bye basically.

Davey
March 17th, 2019, 12:09 PM
Hello, everybody. I finished the last episode with......questions......
1) Were the attacking Wraith from Pegasus or an alternate reality?
2) If the weak signal with the earth coordinates from the other reality was transmitted to one ship, wouldn't they have had it transmitted further so that it would not be only a single Wraith ship with the coordinates?
3) What was the hypothetical future for a Season 6? What would happen to Todd? Who was the commander that did us the favor to resurrect Ronon, and what difference did it make how many humans were on board? Surely the ship was capable of tracking life signals.
4) What was supposed to be the relationship between "our" Wraith and the Wraith from one or more alternate realities?
5) If the Clone Beckett was able to stand looking at the Golden Gate Bridge, where was Radek?!

Xaeden
March 18th, 2019, 03:33 PM
Hello, everybody. I finished the last episode with......questions......
1) Were the attacking Wraith from Pegasus or an alternate reality?

They were not from an alternate reality. As we discussed previously and as you seem to understand in your second point, the message from the Vegas alternate reality spread to other realities, including the main one. That Hive was controlled by one of Todd's henchmen who he assigned the task of trying to integrate a ZPM into the hive's system. When it worked, he suddenly had a tremendous advantage over the other Wraith and decided that he was going to dispose of Todd and take power for himself. Todd escaped and decided to stop his former underling by sending Atlantis after him when the super Hive received the message containing Earth's location.


2) If the weak signal with the earth coordinates from the other reality was transmitted to one ship, wouldn't they have had it transmitted further so that it would not be only a single Wraith ship with the coordinates?

The Wraith from Vegas intended for the message to reach Pegasus in his reality. Earth in that other reality stopped that, but an unintended rift was formed that allowed the message to spread to an unknown number of other realities.

I may be wrong, but I don't believe the episode clarified whether that message was solely picked up by the super Hive or whether other Wraith in the galaxy also got the coordinates. The super Hive was the only one with the ability to act on it, but it's possible that the rest of the Wraith know where Earth is and now just need to work out a way to get there. Alternatively, it's possible that the signal was too weak to be picked up by typical Wraith sensors and thus only Earth and the super Hive (which, at that point, had sensors powerful enough to detect a cloaked jumper) received it.

I wouldn't be surprised if the signal was not at the same strength level across all the realities that it ended up being sent to, but rather was stronger in realities closer in proximity to the one it was sent from. What this means is that the main reality may be far enough away where only advanced sensors could pick it up, while other realities were not as lucky.


3) What was the hypothetical future for a Season 6? What would happen to Todd? Who was the commander that did us the favor to resurrect Ronon, and what difference did it make how many humans were on board? Surely the ship was capable of tracking life signals.

When the show was canceled they turned their plans for the first two episodes of season 6 into a movie script. Joseph Mallozzi gave an overview of the plot here: https://josephmallozzi.com/2013/03/31/march-31-2013-days-of-stargate-atlantis-past-concludes-stargate-extinction-and-beyond/

Basically Todd would've been released back into the Pegasus galaxy by Sheppard.

The commander was played by the same actor who played Kenny. Given that Kenny was also one of Todd's underlings it would make sense that he was the one who betrayed Todd here. He's not named in the finale, though, and there's some dispute among fans whether the actor is playing a different Wraith character here. In short, actors frequently play different Wraith characters, that particular actor has played multiple Wraith, and Kenny has different prosthetic markings than Todd's underling from finale. So either they updated Kenny's prosthetic makeup or that was a Wraith we've never met before.

As to the number of humans issue; the Wraith have never been shown to have onboard sensors that can detect humans running around their ships. Either they don't have them at all or, more likely, they are not capable of distinguishing the difference between Wraith and human. Ancient sensors can do that, but Sheppard and co have a long history of remaining undetected (until they physically run into the Wraith) on their ships.


4) What was supposed to be the relationship between "our" Wraith and the Wraith from one or more alternate realities?

None. Again, the Vegas Wraith created an unintended rift that allowed the message he intended to send the Wraith in his reality to cross into an unknown number of other realities. The super Hive in the main reality happened to pick it up. That is all.


5) If the Clone Beckett was able to stand looking at the Golden Gate Bridge, where was Radek?!

I don't know, where was Lorne or Chuck? The writers picked what characters they wanted there. Paul McGillion was at one point a main cast member and he played an important role in that episode, so they had him stand there with the other main cast members and Ronon's girlfriend.

Mnikolic
November 8th, 2019, 04:06 AM
I recently re-watched Stargate Atlantis up until the episode where Sheppard uses the midway station to get from Atlantis to SGC for the first time. Now, the Michael's introduction episode in S2 is where the show went off-track in my opinion. The writers basically cornered themselves into a corner with an episode that made the entire expedition look like jackasses and ciminals. Also, they treated the Athosians (Teyla's people) like crap. But the main nail in the coffin for SGA was the introduction of the Replicators and then the writers having the Ancients behaving like morons and basically kicking our guys the hell out of their city. At that point, the show itself became a shadow of its former self that it has been for the first season and the first 17 episodes of the second season. S02 E18 (Michael) is where the show went off-track and it continued going downhill with the 3rd season. I treied to re-watch all 5 seasons, however, I stopped during the Midway's "first use" episode when O'Neill steps into the frame at the SGC (The Return, Part I") and went directly into re-watching SGU. I just finished re-watching "Hope". Upon finishing SGU, SG-1's next on my list.

Anyway, ETAG was never meant to be a series finale, however, due to Sci-fi's/Syfy's "You've got 5 year contract and after that, you can't move elsewhere" policy, ETAG HAD TO PLAY THE ROLE of the series finale. Yes, it was a rushed episode. It introduced many new plots, concepts and perhaps even help expand the Stargate/Ancient mythology. However, the show has been off-track for quite some time by that point, so they were basically taking care off some story elements that needed to be presented in the show so it could go on. And yes, I agree to a few things:
- Zelenka missing in the final shot
- Lack of build up to the events in the episode
- Lack of build-up of relationships Keller/McKay and Ronnon/his girlfriend (Amelia if I remember correctly)
- It was stupid to move the Ancient chair to Area 51 and YES, they should have gotten RDA to do his thing
- Killing carson off and than bringing him back as a clone was even more stupid.
- Wier's ending episode was a complete hit and miss. I consider it the worst SG episode ever to date.

Now, with that said - my point is:
Knowing that the writers and the network took some bad decisions for SGA and some bad story elements that were both clearly wrong, I don't think it would have halped if they actually did the build-up all the way to the events in the series finale. Yes, it woild have probably made a lot more sense and it would probably enable for the writers to save a couple of script pages and incude some more important and meaningful stuff, but if the episode would't end up concluding at least most of the character arcs, I think we'd be just getting a better version of the existing series finale.

I have learned to accept SGA for what it was for its first 37 episodes, what it started to become following the "Michael" episode and what it bacame after "The Return, Part 1". It is what it is. What we got, that's it. Now I'm not saying that ETAG wasn't a good episode - in fact, I liked it, however, I liked it more as a season finale and that's how I'm looking at it today. At least the writers managed to get on last shot of the main guys in the episode's final moments. At least they finally gave Carter something meaningfull to do and I'm so glad that they invited AT back for SGU. Now that's how you write your characters. Doing meaningful things and not having the episode focus on the stuff that was not lead in to.

blueray
November 10th, 2019, 02:33 PM
I don't know, where was Lorne or Chuck? The writers picked what characters they wanted there. Paul McGillion was at one point a main cast member and he played an important role in that episode, so they had him stand there with the other main cast members and Ronon's girlfriend.

I remember at the time being like who is that (Ronon's "girlfriend"). To be honest I still don't recall them having a relationship but it's been a while since I've seen SGA.

I liked the last episode but as I did then, however still wish we got more afterwards. It kind of just ends leaving me to wonder what happened to everyone and what another season could have been.

Mnikolic
November 19th, 2019, 02:37 AM
Knowing how they brought some people back (Bates, Carson and even the fake Elizabeth), we'd probably see some more comebacks and judging by the first SGA move script, I think we'd see something happen to dr. Keller too. I wouldn't be sursprised if they somehow managed to bring Ford back. Or even Michael.