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RealmOfX
September 23rd, 2011, 10:34 PM
Season 4

.....Total........Total....A18-49....Viewer**
Ep...Viewers.....HH..Shr...HH..Shr...Change %
.1 - 1,380,000.............0.5........+7.6
.2 - 1,323,000.............0.4........-4.1
.3 - 1,466,000.............0.5.......+10.8
.4 - 1,201,000.............0.3.......-18.1
.5 - 1,258,000.............0.4........+4.7
.6 - 1,319,000.............0.4........+4.8
.7 - 1,203,000.............0.4........-8.8
.8 - 1,108,000.............0.4........-7.9
.9 - ..955,000.............0.4.......-13.8 *
10 - 1,505,000.............0.4.......+57.6
11 - 1,281,000.............0.4.......-14.9
12 - 1,150,000.............0.4.......-10.2
13 - 1,288,000.............0.4.......+12.0


Season average to date : 1,264,385 viewers 0.4 A18-49 rating

** from last ep
* special Tuesday airing

Comparison to Syfy Weekly Average Primetime viewers
................Total
Week ending..Syfy....Sanctuary..% dif
09-Oct-11 1,325,000..1,380,000...+4.2
16-Oct-11 1,170,000..1,323,000..+13.1
23-Oct-11 1,199,000..1,466,000..+22.3
30-Oct-11 1,142,000..1,201,000...+5.2
06-Nov-11 1,372,000..1,258,000...-8.3
13-Nov-11 1,169,000..1,319,000..+12.8
20-Nov-11 1,169,000..1,203,000...+2.9
27-Nov-11 1,088,000..1,108,000...+1.8
04-Dec-11 1,528,000....955,000..-37.5
11-Dec-11 1,569,000..1,505,000...-4.1
18-Dec-11 1,128,000..1,281,000..+13.6
25-Dec-11 1,048,000..1,115,000...+6.4
01-Jan-12

Comparison of viewers by Season :

RealmOfX
September 23rd, 2011, 10:34 PM
Historical ratings -

Season 3

.....Total........Total....A18-49....Viewer**
Ep...Viewers.....HH..Shr...HH..Shr...Change %
.1 - 1,787,000...1.1..2....0.6..2....+19.7
.2 - 1,380,000...0.9..2....0.4..1....-22.8
.3 - 1,479,000...0.9..2....0.4..1.....+7.2
.4 - 1,257,000...0.8..1....0.4..1....-15.0
.5 - 1,574,000...1.0..2....0.5..2....+25.2
.6 - 1,259,000...0.8..2....0.4..1....-20.0
.7 - 1,483,000...0.9..2....0.4..1....+17.8
.8 - 1,472,000...0.9..2....0.4..1.....-0.7
.9 - 1,410,000...0.9..2....0.4..1.....-4.2
10 - 1,474,000...0.9.......0.4........+4.5
11 - 1,217,000...0.9..1....0.4..1....-17.4
12 - 1,424,000...0.9.......0.4.......+17.0
13 -...868,000...0.6..1....0.2..1....-39.0
14 -...838,000...0.6..1....0.2..1.....-3.5
15 -...756,000...0.5..1....0.2..1.....-9.8
16 -...815,000...0.5..1....0.3..1.....+7.8
17 -...842,000...0.6..1....0.2..1.....+3.3
18 -...915,000...0.6..1....0.3..1.....+8.7
19 - 1,201,000.............0.4.......+31.3
20 - 1,283,000.............0.4........+6.8

** from last ep


Comparison to Syfy Weekly Average Primetime viewers
................Total
Week ending..Syfy....Sanctuary..% dif
17-Oct-10...No data..1,787,000
24-Oct-10 1,218,000..1,380,000..+13.3
31-Oct-10 1,286,000..1,479,000..+15.0
07-Nov-10 1,042,000..1,257,000..+20.6
14-Nov-10 1,043,000..1,574,000..+50.9
21-Nov-10 1,061,000..1,259,000..+18.7
28-Nov-10 1,192,000..1,483,000..+24.4
05-Dec-10 1,099,000..1,472,000..+33.9
12-Dec-10 1,471,000..1,410,000...-4.1
19-Dec-10 1,324,000..1,474,000..+11.3
17-Apr-11 1,098,000..1,217,000..+10.8
24-Apr-11 1,069,000..1,424,000..+33.2
01-May-11 1,052,000....868,000..-17.5
08-May-11...984,000....838,000..-14.8
15-May-11...999,000....756,000..-24.3
22-May-11...923,000....815,000..-11.7
29-May-11 1,031,000....842,000..-18.3
05-Jun-11 1,080,000....915,000..-15.3
12-Jun-11 1,065,000..1,201,000..+12.8
19-Jun-11 1,045,000..1,283,000..+22.8

Season 3 Sanctuary averages -
Total viewers - 1,236,700
.........S3.0 - 1,457,500
.........S3.5 - 1,015,900

jelgate
October 8th, 2011, 07:19 AM
probably late Monday afternoon

Rocky89
October 10th, 2011, 01:39 PM
Viewership (million, Live+SD) = 1.380 0.5

Adults 18-49 rating (Live+SD) = 0.5

Much better than Mon. :)

Friday Cable: Cardinals/Phillies Tops Night, Plus 'Smackdown!,' 'Sanctuary,' 'Jessie' & Much More (http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/10/10/friday-cable-cardinalsphillies-tops-night-plus-smackdown-sanctuary-jessie-much-more/106637/)

Altariel
October 10th, 2011, 01:54 PM
Is that good or bad?

Rocky89
October 10th, 2011, 02:01 PM
Is that good or bad?

It's good. :) It was starting to go up again to it's normal numbers just before the finale, the last 2 episodes think, and it’s very close to the average we’ve seen it in previous seasons. :)

Altariel
October 10th, 2011, 02:04 PM
That´s great! Hopefully it´s even getting better.

Rocky89
October 10th, 2011, 02:09 PM
That´s great! Hopefully it´s even getting better.

Yes. :) You know how it goes, we've seen it for the last 4 years, it goes up, down, down, up, up, down, up, down, up. :p

Oh, and don't forget those DVR and Live+7 numbers. :)

Steff
October 10th, 2011, 02:10 PM
Is that good or bad?

Not Good. That is the fourth(tie) lowest Friday Ratings of the whole series. The Lowest Season Premiere ratings by 400,000.

A Season Premiere should be closer to 2 M

One good thing is the .5. This is an increase from the past season and close to the .6 of Season 3 Premiere. This could be the hangover fans from Haven. Hope they stay.

Julian
October 10th, 2011, 05:25 PM
IMO it's hard to say what's good and what's not, especially after all the drama from the ratings discussions last season.

Of course we want more people to watch the show, but really "good" is if the numbers meet the minimum requirement by Syfy for it to be renewed for that fifth season we all want so much.

I'm glad the ratings are higher than S3.5 but I'm not surprised they're not back at the S.30 level. I think that not only the night change, but the fact the quality of S3.5 wasn't that great might have also put people off (I really thought it was the weakest season, with the three money-saving episodes being the lowpoint, and then there just not being any suspense or epicness in the finale that we had with S1 and S2).

All we can hope for is that ratings remain stable or steadily increase with this season. An average of 1.4 and 1.0 for S3 and S3.5 were enough for it to be renewed, hopefully that's enough this time round.

Rocky89
October 10th, 2011, 05:49 PM
IMO it's hard to say what's good and what's not, especially after all the drama from the ratings discussions last season.

Of course we want more people to watch the show, but really "good" is if the numbers meet the minimum requirement by Syfy for it to be renewed for that fifth season we all want so much.

I'm glad the ratings are higher than S3.5 but I'm not surprised they're not back at the S.30 level. I think that not only the night change, but the fact the quality of S3.5 wasn't that great might have also put people off (I really thought it was the weakest season, with the three money-saving episodes being the lowpoint, and then there just not being any suspense or epicness in the finale that we had with S1 and S2).

All we can hope for is that ratings remain stable or steadily increase with this season. An average of 1.4 and 1.0 for S3 and S3.5 were enough for it to be renewed, hopefully that's enough this time round.

Those are some good points, well done. :)

Someone from that link I posted had this to say- Santuary premiered up from its Friday average last year, which is good news. Between this and Haven, SyFy has a couple of reliable Friday performers.

Than the dude wrote this- Last year, they were averaging a 0.4 on Fridays before moving to Mondays and dropping to 0.2. So a 0.5 is a solid debut, all things considered.

So yeah, they weren't SUPER, but I think they were good. :) I'm eager to see them DVR and L+7 numbers. :)

Altariel
October 11th, 2011, 12:25 AM
That´s frightening:( I hope the rating will not go down. I would die if there is not a fifth season. When will we know if there is a fifth season or not? When was it last year?

RealmOfX
October 11th, 2011, 01:44 AM
We need to compare only what is comparable. I'd love to say the ratings are great or even good, but to me it is irrelevant to compare a premiere with a final. The fact is I am convinced Syfy expected much more and is quite disappointed by these numbers. 400 000 less than last year is quite big, and I expect it to go down and down as it did last year.

I can't imagine that 1.3 is enough considering that the new season is logically more expensive and that the show was renewed when it was still doing much better than that.

Anyway, call me grumpy, call me mister pessimistic, but I don't want to be unrealistic, though of course i'd LOVE to have a 5th season.

Nah, we're not going to call you grumpy for trying to being realistic :D I too would love a 5th season.

For a season premiere that was not good, it needed to be a few hundred thousand higher to be considered good (for Sanctuary). Let's face it, Sanctuary used to be a steady performer on Fridays but it has a pattern of starting higher at the premiere, dropping a bit, bounces around (minimally) and then rises slightly for the finale. IF it follows the same pattern then that means the average will be a lot lower and we simply don't know what the Syfy threshold for renewal will be.

The good thing though is that it was better than the Monday night performances and Edge (the wrestler) is in next weeks ep so that may bring up the numbers. *crosses fingers*

As for Sanctuary costing more, the good thing is that Sanctuary is privately funded so Syfy won't have the same expectations as a show they do fund. Syfy's expectations will be based on how large their fee is versus how much profit the show brings in. Also Sanctuary's budget has atypically been relatively the same since the start of production (mentioned in a recent interview) and from the little outside information that we have it was over 1.6 million per ep in Season 1 and just under 2 million per ep in Season 4.

Obviously there are other considerations for the private financiers but Syfy (US) is the largest single market and Syfy decisions will have an effect on their decisions. Though how much of an effect will depend on the proportion of the total market and the short term returns from the rest of the market.



That´s frightening:( I hope the rating will not go down. I would die if there is not a fifth season. When will we know if there is a fifth season or not? When was it last year?

Renewals were announced for :
Season 2 - 13-Nov-08
Season 3 - 14-Dec-09
Season 4 - 18-Jan-11

samcartersg1
October 11th, 2011, 06:06 AM
I agree 1.38 million is not great for a premiere. However, the Season 3.5 premiere which was still on Friday was lower than this then increased with the episode Hangover. I don't think it can afford to drop though. The first half of season 3 numbers (excluding the premiere) were in this area with episodes like Trail of blood having numbers down near 1.25 million. Those levels were good enough for a Season 4 so I think as long as it doesn't drop there is a chance of a Season 5

Briangate78
October 11th, 2011, 07:12 AM
Is that good or bad?

I'd say more in the middle, not being good or bad. Let's just say it could of been worse. The good thing is the 18 to 49 demo was a 0.5 and the last time they hit a 0.5 was back in the beginning of Season 3 I think.

After Eureka getting canceled while averaging over 2 Million viewers, I just don't know what to think anymore. You have to almost treat every season as it will be it's last, imo.

blueray
October 11th, 2011, 08:30 AM
oh i hope it gets renewed! (syfy really has to stop cancelling everything). hopefully next weeks episode will increase in ratings. and i think they can announce rather its gets renewed anytime.

siles
October 11th, 2011, 08:31 AM
I'd say more in the middle, not being good or bad. Let's just say it could of been worse. The good thing is the 18 to 49 demo was a 0.5 and the last time they hit a 0.5 was back in the beginning of Season 3 I think.

After Eureka getting canceled while averaging over 2 Million viewers, I just don't know what to think anymore. You have to almost treat every season as it will be it's last, imo.

I think this is the best reply yet. IMHO these ratings are not enough for a renewal, but the demo (0.5) gives us hope that Sanctuary ratings can improve

majorsal
October 11th, 2011, 01:13 PM
We need to compare only what is comparable. I'd love to say the ratings are great or even good, but to me it is irrelevant to compare a premiere with a final. The fact is I am convinced Syfy expected much more and is quite disappointed by these numbers. 400 000 less than last year is quite big, and I expect it to go down and down as it did last year.

I can't imagine that 1.3 is enough considering that the new season is logically more expensive and that the show was renewed when it was still doing much better than that.

Anyway, call me grumpy, call me mister pessimistic, but I don't want to be unrealistic, though of course i'd LOVE to have a 5th season.

if sanctuary doesn't get a season five, i hope 1- syfy will let them do an ep or three to finish off their story, 2- a mini series to finish off their story, or 3- another network picks them up.

blueray
October 11th, 2011, 02:17 PM
if sanctuary doesn't get a season five, i hope 1- syfy will let them do an ep or three to finish off their story, 2- a mini series to finish off their story, or 3- another network picks them up.

yeah i hope so. or could they go back online?

Rocky89
October 11th, 2011, 02:34 PM
I went to Wiki to look at the ratings ror SGU, and it seems Sanctuary still did better than SGU did last season in it's premiere. I'm hoping it'll do better than SGU did in it's first 10 eps in S2, but since this is a 13 ep season, we need good ratings for 6 or 7 episodes. :)

http://i963.photobucket.com/albums/ae118/Rocky89_05/vlcsnap-2011-10-11-18h11m13s161.png

Rocky89
October 11th, 2011, 05:52 PM
I just thought of something... how can we learn what the ratings were for Space? :) I believe we've seen them before on the S3 thread, and I was wondering if anyone can get that? :)

suse
October 11th, 2011, 06:52 PM
I went to Wiki to look at the ratings ror SGU, and it seems Sanctuary still did better than SGU did last season in it's premiere. I'm hoping it'll do better than SGU did in it's first 10 eps in S2, but since this is a 13 ep season, we need good ratings for 6 or 7 episodes. :)

http://i963.photobucket.com/albums/ae118/Rocky89_05/vlcsnap-2011-10-11-18h11m13s161.png

SGU is old news and won't be a factor in whether they renew Sanctuary. Too many different variables. Sanctuary either has an acceptable profit margin or it doesn't. No need to compare it to a show gone a year now.

Steff
October 11th, 2011, 06:55 PM
SGU is old news and won't be a factor in whether they renew Sanctuary. Too many different variables. Sanctuary either has an acceptable profit margin or it doesn't. No need to compare it to a show gone a year now.

And a cancelled show. Not a good litmus test

RealmOfX
October 11th, 2011, 06:58 PM
And a cancelled show. Not a good litmus test

Especially a show that aired at a different time and on a different day.

blueray
October 11th, 2011, 07:20 PM
i can see the comparing it too sgu, as they are both good sci-fi shows, and both were/are on syfy. as a fan of the show i was upset when they cancelled it before the second half of the season (which was much better then the first half), but sadly good ratings equals good profit.

Rocky89
October 11th, 2011, 09:02 PM
i can see the comparing it too sgu, as they are both good sci-fi shows, and both were/are on syfy. as a fan of the show i was upset when they cancelled it before the second half of the season (which was much better then the first half), but sadly good ratings equals good profit.

Thank you. :) I wanted something to compare it to, and I've even been comparing it to Fringe. :p Anyway, and sorry if this has been asked, but when will the L+7 numbers come out, as well as the DVR numbers? :)

Oh, and I heard that there's a thing called "L+12". What the hell is that? :p

RealmOfX
October 12th, 2011, 12:26 AM
i can see the comparing it too sgu, as they are both good sci-fi shows, and both were/are on syfy. as a fan of the show i was upset when they cancelled it before the second half of the season (which was much better then the first half), but sadly good ratings equals good profit.

There's no sense in trying to compare apples and oranges.

siles
October 12th, 2011, 03:09 AM
Especially a show that aired at a different time and on a different day.

And was more expensive.
Should we compare Sanctuary to Eureka? Which one is cheaper to produce? Eureka got cancelled even though it had over 2 mil viewers...

Spimman
October 12th, 2011, 09:36 AM
Eureka got cancelled even though it had over 2 mil viewers...

Eureka was renewed, we just know in advance this is the final season...which I'm glad they're letting us know in advance and the writers can plan for that.

ann_sgcfan
October 12th, 2011, 09:54 AM
Eureka was renewed, we just know in advance this is the final season...which I'm glad they're letting us know in advance and the writers can plan for that.

I think it depends on how you look at it. Eureka was filming it's 5th season while fans were watching season 4. In fact they were filming their next to last episode of season 5 when news broke over twitter and internet that syfy was cancelling the show after only a week earlier they had news they were being renewed for another season. The actors many of whom found out the same time fans did that the next episode (which was to start filming in less than a week) was going to be their last. While you are partially right Syfy did renew the show for one more episode to wrap up the entire series. Allowing the writers a mere week to conclude a series that has been on for years. From my perspective Eureka was cancelled with good ratings.

Re: money issue Eureka's schedule had syfy paying for 1 season and then stretching it's air dates over a two year period. The series started in 2006 - we should be up to season 7 by next year, but we are only getting 5 seasons.

Altariel
October 12th, 2011, 09:34 PM
So they canceled the show for no obvious reason? Good ratings, streched seasons, so nnot too much costs. Not good for Sanctuary.

RealmOfX
October 13th, 2011, 12:00 AM
And was more expensive.
Should we compare Sanctuary to Eureka? Which one is cheaper to produce? Eureka got cancelled even though it had over 2 mil viewers...

I don't think so for two main reasons

it aired in Sumertime
it's produced under the NBC Universal umbrella of companies of which Syfy is a part


Performance wise you can't really compare because of airing in different seasons Summer has a lot less competition than Fall. It also aired the last season over two years the first part on a Friday and the second part on a Wednesday (I think).

Renewal wise being produced by the Network means they have a completely different model on which they base their decisions.

Whilst I watch Eureka, I don't pay a lot of attention to their other details so I don't know what their budget is, does anyone know?


So they canceled the show for no obvious reason? Good ratings, streched seasons, so nnot too much costs. Not good for Sanctuary.

I'm sure they did have good reasons however we aren't privvy to them. I'd hazard a guess that with Comcast taking over that they have some pretty hard and fast parameters that they expect their businesses to adhere to and suspect they want a quick return on money meaning unless a show is a huge runaway success (ie not airing on a niche station like Syfy) then they cut their reducing profits at 5 years and reinvest in other potential profit making shows. There is a significantly higher fiscal involvement when the network produces a show as opposed to merely paying a licensing fee.


I was thinking that if we do need to compare Sanctuary with another show, then to me that would be Merlin. Merlin is produced by the BBC and Syfy only buys the rights to air the episodes. If I understand correctly, that's Sanctuary's situation too.

As far as I remember, Merlin got about the same ratings as Sanctuary, but I'm not sure.

Are the two comparable or not?

Yeah, Merlin is closer to Sanctuary and it aired on Friday at 10 but it airs in a different season, Winter. It also is produced under a different model, a govt backed one.

Sanctuary averaged 1,457,500 Oct through Dec Friday at 10
Merlin averaged 1,493,231 Jan through Apr Friday at 10
Sanctuary averaged 1,015,900 Apr through Jun Monday at 10

A fair performance comparison would be to Sanctuary itself during last fall where it averaged 1,457,500 and debuted at 1,787,000 and averaged 21.7% above the Syfy primetime weekly average of 1,167,667.

Compared to it's single outing so far of 1,380,000 which was 4.2% above the Syfy primetime weekly average of 1,325,000.

It wasn't by any means good for a season premiere but it wasn't super bad either.

I'm hoping for an increase this week but I sure ain't holding my breath.

siles
October 13th, 2011, 07:42 AM
Any ratings prediction for the next episode?
I thought the premiere was great so I predict a slight uptick
1.5 million viewers and 0.6 demo :)

Rocky89
October 13th, 2011, 08:02 AM
So, out of curiosity, I went to TVBTN and checked out it's article on Haven being renewed, and one dude asked this- "But if they renewed this with a .5, then Sanctuary should be good as well, right?"

Not trying to compare Sanctuary to Haven, I'm just-- what's Sally call it?... Oh, giving y'all some food for thought on this subject. :p

Steff
October 13th, 2011, 09:24 AM
Any ratings prediction for the next episode?
I thought the premiere was great so I predict a slight uptick
1.5 million viewers and 0.6 demo :)

Premieres are almost always the high of the year and I think they will lose some of the young viewers they had hangover from Haven. So I go lower with a

1.1 million viewers and 0.4 demo.

siles
October 13th, 2011, 09:44 AM
Premieres are almost always the high of the year and I think they will lose some of the young viewers they had hangover from Haven. So I go lower with a

1.1 million viewers and 0.4 demo.

I'm thinking maybe not all the fans knew about Sanctuary being back on Friday

RealmOfX
October 13th, 2011, 11:00 AM
Premieres are almost always the high of the year<snip>

True. However after the S3.5 premiere the ratings went up some 200,000 odd and this week's has Edge in it again and so might entice a few of the wrestling crowd to remain watching.

I'm hoping it will go up so I'm not going to make a prediction and jinx it !

Altariel
October 13th, 2011, 11:02 AM
What does this "demo" mean?

RealmOfX
October 13th, 2011, 11:37 AM
What does this "demo" mean?

Demo = demographic. Advertisers will target people they want to sell their products to so details of viewer age, gender, income etc are collected.

The demo most talked about on TVByTheNumbers and here is the Adults 18-49. One of the larger target groups. However people tend to forget that TVByTheNumbers are dedicated to analysing the Broadcast figures and use this demo as their measuring stick and the reasoning they use does not necessarily transfer over to cable stations, even less for the niche ones.

It's an important demographic but Syfy happens to be stronger in the A25-54 demo generally.

Some people still seem to want a hard and fast rule of Programme X has a rating/total viewership of Y and so will be renewed but unfortunately it is never that simple as each show is different. Sanctuary was renewed for S4 on Syfy while averaging a rating of 0.4 in the A18-49 demo and 1,457,500 total viewers so possibly anything around that should be favourable for further renewal on Syfy.

Steff
October 13th, 2011, 11:48 AM
True. However after the S3.5 premiere the ratings went up some 200,000 odd and this week's has Edge in it again and so might entice a few of the wrestling crowd to remain watching.

I'm hoping it will go up so I'm not going to make a prediction and jinx it !

You are EXACTLY right about EDGE. Woohoooo EDGE, whoever you are but wrestling fans love, bring us "BIG MONEY"..... "BIG MONEY"

Altariel
October 13th, 2011, 12:09 PM
Demo = demographic. Advertisers will target people they want to sell their products to so details of viewer age, gender, income etc are collected.

The demo most talked about on TVByTheNumbers and here is the Adults 18-49. One of the larger target groups. However people tend to forget that TVByTheNumbers are dedicated to analysing the Broadcast figures and use this demo as their measuring stick and the reasoning they use does not necessarily transfer over to cable stations, even less for the niche ones.

It's an important demographic but Syfy happens to be stronger in the A25-54 demo generally.

Some people still seem to want a hard and fast rule of Programme X has a rating/total viewership of Y and so will be renewed but unfortunately it is never that simple as each show is different. Sanctuary was renewed for S4 on Syfy while averaging a rating of 0.4 in the A18-49 demo and 1,457,500 total viewers so possibly anything around that should be favourable for further renewal on Syfy.

Thank you, very interesting. I didn´t know that.:)

Briangate78
October 14th, 2011, 07:29 AM
Going to be the optimistic one and say over 1.5 Million viewers, and a steady 0.5 in the 18 to 49 demo for tonight's ep, that should be good enough for a 5th season pick-up, imo. That is if the show is not costing too much more from Season 4.

Altariel
October 17th, 2011, 10:08 AM
When will we know the actual ratings? And why does it take so long, in Germany you have the ratings next day:confused:

RealmOfX
October 17th, 2011, 11:49 AM
When will we know the actual ratings? And why does it take so long, in Germany you have the ratings next day:confused:

It is the next working day. Which is Friday / Monday.

We also have to wait until the reports get funnelled to the people who report them online.

Rocky89
October 17th, 2011, 02:15 PM
http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/10/17/friday-cable-nlcs-leads-night-plus-smackdown-sanctuary-make-your-mark-jessie-more/107497/

Viewership (million, Live+SD) = 1.323

Adults 18-49 rating (Live+SD) = 0.4

Still good. :)

siles
October 17th, 2011, 02:18 PM
http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/10/17/friday-cable-nlcs-leads-night-plus-smackdown-sanctuary-make-your-mark-jessie-more/107497/

Viewership (million, Live+SD) = 1.323

Adults 18-49 rating (Live+SD) = 0.4

Still good. :)

I'm not happy with 0.4 demo

Steff
October 17th, 2011, 02:23 PM
I'm not happy with 0.4 demo

All ads are paid off the 0.4
A .1 drop from last weeks 0.5 is not good.

Rocky89
October 17th, 2011, 02:24 PM
All ads are paid off the 0.4
A .2 drop from last weeks 0.6 is not good.

Actually, it was 0.5. :)

majorsal
October 17th, 2011, 02:40 PM
All ads are paid off the 0.4
A .1 drop from last weeks 0.5 is not good.

i'm afraid the dull-ish ep of 'uprising' could have an effect on the next ep. not good indeed.

Steff
October 17th, 2011, 02:46 PM
i'm afraid the dull-ish ep of 'uprising' could have an effect on the next ep. not good indeed.

I know, and if the show dips another .1 ...... that would be BAD

jelgate
October 17th, 2011, 03:54 PM
i'm afraid the dull-ish ep of 'uprising' could have an effect on the next ep. not good indeed.I think you have Uprising confused with Tempus:P


*runs out of thread*

RealmOfX
October 17th, 2011, 07:15 PM
I'm not happy with 0.4 demo

It could be better, yes. However don't forget that S3.0 and it's majority of 0.4 A18-49 got a S4.


All ads are paid off the 0.4
A .1 drop from last weeks 0.5 is not good.

Ads are paid off whatever target demos are in the advertising contract.

Thankfully your "not good" got us a S4 last year.

---

I'm trying to take a well balanced look at the figures and whenever I see remarks that are based solely on the A18-49 demo I feel that the whole picture is not being taken into consideration. That demo is an important one however it is not the only one.

I'd definitely be happier for renewal prospects if they got their total viewers up over 1.5 million and averaged 0.5 in A18-49 however they were renewed last year when they averaged 1,457,500 total viewers and 0.4 A18-49.

blueray
October 17th, 2011, 07:58 PM
Hm... Feels like it will be the finale season... We must enjoy it while it lasts.

don't talk about such things...

well if .4 was what it had last year, then hopefully we're good...

majorsal
October 17th, 2011, 07:59 PM
Hm... Feels like it will be the finale season... We must enjoy it while it lasts.

s4 ends on a cliff-hanger... :(


~i'm going with the idea that they, the ptb, have a plan b up their sleeves :)~

siles
October 17th, 2011, 08:48 PM
Hm... Feels like it will be the finale season... We must enjoy it while it lasts.

It's too early to say, even with this kind of ratings they can get renewed if they managed to cut the costs a bit

Altariel
October 18th, 2011, 03:31 AM
"That said, if people think those ratings are really that terrible, they must have forgotten how both Caprica and SGU dipped well below a million viewers before they got yanked, and Caprica had a 0.3. Last year. Plus, Sanctuary is always said to be cheap to produce. Caprica and SGU were a lot of things, but “cheap to produce” wasn’t one of them."

by thesnowleopard

I have no idea if this is true, but if it´s true it´s good for Sanctuary I think.
And in season 4 was often demo of 0,4 and why has "The Big Bang Theorie" 1,106 ml but a higher demo of 0.6? And "Sanctuary" 1,323 Ml 0.4 Demo and "Family Guy" with 1,042 Ml 0.6 Demo? We had more viewers but less Demo?

jelgate
October 18th, 2011, 07:29 AM
by thesnowleopard

I have no idea if this is true, but if it´s true it´s good for Sanctuary I think.
And in season 4 was often demo of 0,4 and why has "The Big Bang Theorie" 1,106 ml but a higher demo of 0.6? And "Sanctuary" 1,323 Ml 0.4 Demo and "Family Guy" with 1,042 Ml 0.6 Demo? We had more viewers but less Demo?


What? Those primetime shows have never gotten numbers that low.

Skydiver
October 18th, 2011, 09:17 AM
He might be finding syndicated ratings, which would be much lower than first run ones.

Briangate78
October 18th, 2011, 10:55 AM
Hm... Feels like it will be the finale season... We must enjoy it while it lasts.

I don't think so. I could see maybe like a shorter season order. But I do think there will be a Season 5, if they can maintain between a 0.4 to 0.5, 18 to 19 demo, imo.

Rocky89
October 18th, 2011, 11:37 AM
I don't think so. I could see maybe like a shorter season order. But I do think there will be a Season 5, if they can maintain between a 0.4 to 0.5, 18 to 19 demo, imo.

I also think they'll make it, but I don't think we'll get a shorter season. :) I mean, in one of Amanda's recent interviews, she said that 13 seems to be the Syfy thing now, and I bet if SGU was still around, they'd have a 13 episode season. :) I've read every comment about the ratings on TVBTN, on another forum, and here, and I've seen good, and optimistic facts. :) Now, if they were getting Mon ratings, then I'd be saying good-bye, and accepting this was the last season, but we're all good, yo. :) :p

What I do want to see are the DVR and L+7 numbers. :) I don't get why they take so long to come out, I mean... dude. :p

majorsal
October 18th, 2011, 03:53 PM
I don't think so. I could see maybe like a shorter season order. But I do think there will be a Season 5, if they can maintain between a 0.4 to 0.5, 18 to 19 demo, imo.

thanks, brian! :D

i will remain cautiously optimistic. if that's possible. :p

Rocky89
October 20th, 2011, 07:30 AM
So, I'm on twitter today, and I found this very interesting article- Networks Rethink the Ratings Game As DVR Usage Spreads (http://www.tvguide.com/News/Networks-Ratings-DVR-1038856.aspx)

"What a difference seven days makes. Many primetime shows are seeing their ratings skyrocket when a week's worth of DVR usage is included — and network execs are scrambling to figure out how to adjust to a time-shifting world.

Now that DVR penetration has reached around 42% of viewers, it's having a real impact on viewership — and making the initial next-day ratings that everyone reports (which includes live viewing, plus only that night's DVR usage) increasingly irrelevant.

For example, when season four of FX's Sons of Anarchy debuted September 6, it attracted 4.9 million viewers, a good number, but not a network record. By the time seven days of DVR usage was counted, that number had climbed to 6.5 million viewers — making it the most-watched program in FX history."

It's a good article, and makes me wonder-- "Where are them DVR numbers for Sanctuary?" :p

Mandysg1
October 20th, 2011, 08:09 AM
Rocky, the dvr numbers have always been 2 weeks after the airing, if you do the math, it ain't quite there yet ;)

Steff
October 20th, 2011, 09:21 AM
"Where are them DVR numbers for Sanctuary?" :p


Rocky, the dvr numbers have always been 2 weeks after the airing, if you do the math, it ain't quite there yet ;)

I know in the past some of the +7 and other statistics have been made public. Most of the time they are not publicized. The networks pay a fee to receive this data, it is not published for free. Some limited ratings are given out to the media.

Rocky89
October 20th, 2011, 10:29 AM
Rocky, the dvr numbers have always been 2 weeks after the airing, if you do the math, it ain't quite there yet ;)

Oh, wow, I read somewhere that it take 7 days to come out. :p Alright, so then them DVR numbers should be out soon? :) My mom DVR's everything, so she proves why DVR numbers should be counted. ;)

dipsofjazz
October 20th, 2011, 10:57 AM
So, I'm on twitter today, and I found this very interesting article- Networks Rethink the Ratings Game As DVR Usage Spreads (http://www.tvguide.com/News/Networks-Ratings-DVR-1038856.aspx)

"What a difference seven days makes. Many primetime shows are seeing their ratings skyrocket when a week's worth of DVR usage is included — and network execs are scrambling to figure out how to adjust to a time-shifting world.

Now that DVR penetration has reached around 42% of viewers, it's having a real impact on viewership — and making the initial next-day ratings that everyone reports (which includes live viewing, plus only that night's DVR usage) increasingly irrelevant.

For example, when season four of FX's Sons of Anarchy debuted September 6, it attracted 4.9 million viewers, a good number, but not a network record. By the time seven days of DVR usage was counted, that number had climbed to 6.5 million viewers — making it the most-watched program in FX history."

It's a good article, and makes me wonder-- "Where are them DVR numbers for Sanctuary?" :p
It tells you in the article why we haven't seen them yet:

Ratings that include seven days of DVR usage aren't available for several weeks, which is why several networks have started touting ratings that include three days of DVR playback (which are available on a timelier basis).

Steff
October 20th, 2011, 11:23 AM
It tells you in the article why we haven't seen them yet:
Ratings that include seven days of DVR usage aren't available for several weeks, which is why several networks have started touting ratings that include three days of DVR playback (which are available on a timelier basis).


and it says....

Ultimately, it's another rating that actually matters in the TV business. The "C3" rating, which measures viewing during commercial breaks (including three days' worth of DVR usage), is what networks sell to advertisers. "That's what actually matters," Bader says. "You don't monetize anything" on live-plus-seven ratings.

And many advertisers are against adding any DVR numbers. How many people with DVRs know that itty bitty trick of skipping commercials? hm?

dipsofjazz
October 20th, 2011, 11:33 AM
and it says....

Ultimately, it's another rating that actually matters in the TV business. The "C3" rating, which measures viewing during commercial breaks (including three days' worth of DVR usage), is what networks sell to advertisers. "That's what actually matters," Bader says. "You don't monetize anything" on live-plus-seven ratings.

And many advertisers are against adding any DVR numbers. How many people with DVRs know that itty bitty trick of skipping commercials? hm?
Why are you quoting me to add this? I was answering Rocky's question.

I hope that when we do eventually see these ratings that they are very good.

Steff
October 20th, 2011, 11:44 AM
Why are you quoting me to add this? I was answering Rocky's question.

I hope that when we do eventually see these ratings that they are very good.

Oh my, when I quoted you it left out the bit from the article I was responding too. I fixed it.

siles
October 23rd, 2011, 06:59 AM
My rating prediction for 4x03
1.4 million 0.5

Steff
October 23rd, 2011, 10:56 AM
Siles ==> 1.4 million / 0.5%
Abnormal ==> 1.4 million / 0.4%
Steff ==> 1.2 million / 0.4%

Steff
October 24th, 2011, 12:57 PM
Siles ==> 1.4 million / 0.5%
Abnormal ==> 1.4 million / 0.4%
Steff ==> 1.2 million / 0.4%

And the winner is...... *drumroll.....*

Siles hit it exactly right.

Congratulations.:D You should be receiving your prize in the mail in the next few days. ;)

Actual #'s:
Viewership (million, Live+SD) 1.466
Adults 18-49 rating (Live+SD) .5

Rocky89
October 24th, 2011, 01:02 PM
http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/10/24/friday-cable-ratings-smackdown-ties-spongebob-plus-sanctuary-boss-house-of-payne-more/108154/

Viewership (million, Live+SD) - 1.466

Adults 18-49 rating (Live+SD) - 0.5

Sanctuary Friday is back. :D

Good job to Siles and Abnormal for your predictions. ;)

Briangate78
October 24th, 2011, 03:01 PM
These numbers are very steady, this should get Sanctuary a 5th season if they can keep it up for the next couple of eps, imho.

majorsal
October 24th, 2011, 03:04 PM
These numbers are very steady, this should get Sanctuary a 5th season if they can keep it up for the next couple of eps, imho.

thanks, brian! :)

Julian
October 24th, 2011, 08:35 PM
Wow!! It's back up to the S3.0 average!

I've been looking at their ratings on wiki and noticed that firstly a lot of ratins from S01 and S02 are missing - anyone know why this is? Also they were never that high to begin with, they dropped really fast in S01 and in S02 they had episodes rating as low as 1.3

NumberSix
October 24th, 2011, 08:46 PM
So this is good, right? I was almost afraid to even peak in on this thread.

RealmOfX
October 24th, 2011, 09:33 PM
Wow!! It's back up to the S3.0 average!

I've been looking at their ratings on wiki and noticed that firstly a lot of ratins from S01 and S02 are missing - anyone know why this is? Also they were never that high to begin with, they dropped really fast in S01 and in S02 they had episodes rating as low as 1.3

Wiki doesn't have ratings at all, what they give is Total Viewers. There is a big difference between the two.

Up until episode 7 of Season 1 Syfy used to post the Top 10 ratings (Syfy coverage rating) on their website - this is why there are no Total viewer numbers before then except for the premiere.

The missing Total viewer figure for Season 2 is 1,404,000

RealmOfX
October 24th, 2011, 09:51 PM
So this is good, right? I was almost afraid to even peak in on this thread.

I'd call them decent. Not great but not bad either.

Syfy renewed for S4 on an average of 1,457,500 so if S4 can score around or above that then things will look better for a S5.

Colonel Rebel
October 25th, 2011, 07:18 AM
Encouraging ratings. I hope they hold up or increase some. I want a fifth season!

majorsal
October 25th, 2011, 11:40 AM
Encouraging ratings. I hope they hold up or increase some. I want a fifth season!

i have such a small list of shows i watch anymore, that when i have one, i don't want to let go of it! so keep it up, sanctuary!! :)

samcartersg1
October 25th, 2011, 04:24 PM
http://blastr.com/2011/10/track-the-ratings-of-13-c.php

This blastr article (run by Syfy) has a pretty positive spin for sanctuary numbers

Rocky89
October 25th, 2011, 04:31 PM
http://blastr.com/2011/10/track-the-ratings-of-13-c.php

This blastr article (run by Syfy) has a pretty positive spin for sanctuary numbers

I was just about to post that. :p Since I'm too late, I'll just post what it said about Sanctuary. :p

"Good news for Sanctuary. The series posted the strongest numbers yet of its fourth season Friday and held steady in its demo rating. Better news: all three episodes of season four have held on to a higher viewership than the second half of season three. Could this show be growing its audience, and if so, how much higher can it climb?"

:)

majorsal
October 25th, 2011, 04:38 PM
http://blastr.com/2011/10/track-the-ratings-of-13-c.php

This blastr article (run by Syfy) has a pretty positive spin for sanctuary numbers

sounds good! :)

kes
October 25th, 2011, 10:25 PM
Lets not forget that 3.5 ratings tanked on Monday. So not that difficult to be better.
I am however glad Sanctuary managed to recover from its trip to Monday. Just wished the season premiere had been higher.

NumberSix
October 27th, 2011, 06:47 AM
Personnaly, I am no longer worried or disappointed about the numbers of the season premiere. I'd have been worried if the numbers of episodes 2 and 3 had fallen as it usually does, but that's not the case. Besides, if you think about it, the fact that the numbers went from 1.3 to almost 1.5 this season looks much better than those of last season (1.8 ==> 1.4).



Remember that Sanctuary did not immediately moved to Mondays. Here's a comparison between the first three episodes of the second half of Season 3 (aired on Friday) and the first three episodes of this season:

3.10 ==> 1.4 - 0.4% / 4.01 ==> 1.4 - 0.5%
3.11 ==> 1.2 - 0.4% / 4.02 ==> 1.3 - 0.4%
3.12 ==> 1.4 - 0.4% / 4.03 ==> 1.4 - 0.5%

That looks good to me!

I too am less concerned about the ratings for the premiere than I am for maintaining good ratings or (hopefully) getting higher ratings for the remainder of the season. So that looks encouraging. Also if Syfy is making positive comments about it on blastr then that's also a good thing.


majorsal: i have such a small list of shows i watch anymore, that when i have one, i don't want to let go of it!

Sounds like me. :)

kes
October 28th, 2011, 03:50 AM
Personnaly, I am no longer worried or disappointed about the numbers of the season premiere. I'd have been worried if the numbers of episodes 2 and 3 had fallen as it usually does, but that's not the case. Besides, if you think about it, the fact that the numbers went from 1.3 to almost 1.5 this season looks much better than those of last season (1.8 ==> 1.4).



Remember that Sanctuary did not immediately moved to Mondays. Here's a comparison between the first three episodes of the second half of Season 3 (aired on Friday) and the first three episodes of this season:

3.10 ==> 1.4 - 0.4% / 4.01 ==> 1.4 - 0.5%
3.11 ==> 1.2 - 0.4% / 4.02 ==> 1.3 - 0.4%
3.12 ==> 1.4 - 0.4% / 4.03 ==> 1.4 - 0.5%

That looks good to me!
True :)

siles
October 29th, 2011, 07:19 AM
Sanctuary 4x04
1.5 million viewers 0.5

Steff
October 29th, 2011, 01:01 PM
argh I forgot about baseball.... The ratings will probably be down :(

Do people that watch Sanctuary watch baseball? hum??????

1.3 0.4

jelgate
October 29th, 2011, 04:00 PM
Do people that watch Sanctuary watch baseball? hum??????

1.3 0.4Um yes.

Steff
October 29th, 2011, 04:02 PM
Um yes.

Is that an abnormality? :D

majorsal
October 29th, 2011, 07:12 PM
argh I forgot about baseball.... The ratings will probably be down :(


i think it'll be down some, but just b/c of the world series.

Julian
October 31st, 2011, 04:26 AM
Why would Syfy put the show against something like that when the ratings are obviously really crucial atm? So many shows didn't air last week, so why couldn't Sanctuary have been another?

Mandysg1
October 31st, 2011, 09:44 AM
Why would Syfy put the show against something like that when the ratings are obviously really crucial atm? So many shows didn't air last week, so why couldn't Sanctuary have been another?

The world series wasn't initially scheduled for Friday, but b/c of weather game 6 was delayed and put on Thursday, if Texas had won it would have been over, but they didn't :( So they had to reschedule it to Friday. I don't know that Syfy can adjust thier schedules like the other networks can :S

Altariel
October 31st, 2011, 03:30 PM
http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/10/31/friday-cable-ratings-discoverys-gold-rush-tops-cable-friday-night-smackdown-sancturary-boss-more/109085/

Dear Lord, that is not good.

1.201 Mil 0.3 Demo:(
I hope it´s becasue of baseball and next week the rating increase. Last season ep 19 had 1.2 Mil too, but 0.4 Demo. Strange.

Mandysg1
October 31st, 2011, 03:50 PM
I do think baseball had a lot to do with it, we'll have to wait to see the dvr + 7 ratings to see if there was any real change.

Altariel
October 31st, 2011, 03:52 PM
Well, Wrestling didn´t loose that much viewers. But probably I´m too hysteric again.

Steff
October 31st, 2011, 04:31 PM
http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/10/31/friday-cable-ratings-discoverys-gold-rush-tops-cable-friday-night-smackdown-sancturary-boss-more/109085/

Dear Lord, that is not good.

1.201 Mil 0.3 Demo:(
I hope it´s becasue of baseball and next week the rating increase. Last season ep 19 had 1.2 Mil too, but 0.4 Demo. Strange.

-For a Friday Night this is the lowest rating ever for Sanctuary. They have never gone below 0.4 except on Mondays.
-Baseball yes, this probably did affect the numbers but the show also was passed by other cable shows that they have been outranking for this year. So it can not totally be the Baseball effect.
-Time for renewal decisions, was this episode's all-time low rating in bad timing? Let's just hope they blame the World Series.

jelgate
October 31st, 2011, 04:58 PM
http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/10/31/friday-cable-ratings-discoverys-gold-rush-tops-cable-friday-night-smackdown-sancturary-boss-more/109085/

Dear Lord, that is not good.

1.201 Mil 0.3 Demo:(
I hope it´s becasue of baseball and next week the rating increase. Last season ep 19 had 1.2 Mil too, but 0.4 Demo. Strange.All it means this time more of the 1.2 million viewers fell outside the 18-49 demo.

majorsal
October 31st, 2011, 05:53 PM
http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/10/31/friday-cable-ratings-discoverys-gold-rush-tops-cable-friday-night-smackdown-sancturary-boss-more/109085/

Dear Lord, that is not good.

1.201 Mil 0.3 Demo:(
I hope it´s becasue of baseball and next week the rating increase. Last season ep 19 had 1.2 Mil too, but 0.4 Demo. Strange.

oh, it IS b/c of the baseball game! i saw this coming. :/

BUT, there will be no blasted games next fri, so things should go back to normal. (well, unless ppl are irked by things, it should go back to normal...)

majorsal
October 31st, 2011, 05:57 PM
-For a Friday Night this is the lowest rating ever for Sanctuary. They have never gone below 0.4 except on Mondays.
-Baseball yes, this probably did affect the numbers but the show also was passed by other cable shows that they have been outranking for this year. So it can not totally be the Baseball effect.
-Time for renewal decisions, was this episode's all-time low rating in bad timing? Let's just hope they blame the World Series.

it's too coincidental 'not' to be the cause to me.

~season5, season5, season 5, season5...

Skydiver
October 31st, 2011, 08:16 PM
the other networks pulled their original programming and aired reruns. we also had a major storm and power outages on a good chunk of the east coast, literally blacking out millions of viewers.

they won't use this against the show.

Also, one disadvantage of their 13 week programming...not much wiggle room to move/preempt stuff.

Altariel
November 1st, 2011, 05:12 AM
Was the storm really when the ep aired? I read it was on Saturday in the news, but then I´m not from the US.

Artie
November 1st, 2011, 10:44 AM
Was the storm really when the ep aired? I read it was on Saturday in the news, but then I´m not from the US.

Yeah, there was the storm. There were a lot of people without power on the east coast in very heavily populated areas.

siles
November 1st, 2011, 10:53 AM
I'm not worried about these ratings as I think they're a fluke; Sanctuary will be back to its regular 1.5 million and 0.5 in no time at all

wurlitzer153
November 1st, 2011, 11:17 AM
On an unrelated note, my cable was down late afternoon on Friday. Apparently the whole city was effected. They were apparently able to get it back going just before the game started, but the internet was still down. Picture was jerky in places, but I was able to watch the show. It was well after midnight that the net came back...

Steff
November 4th, 2011, 08:14 PM
Sanctuary 4x05 Resistance

Predictions:
1.0 million viewers 0.3

siles
November 5th, 2011, 02:25 AM
Sanctuary 4x05 Resistance

Predictions:
1.0 million viewers 0.3

Wow, that's harsh.
I maintain my prediction
1.5 million viewers and 0.5

Abnormal
November 5th, 2011, 06:31 AM
I was re-reading the first page of the thread and I was surprised to see that even with its last audience Sanctuary's still higher than Syfy's Weekly Primetime Average Viewers... So that's a good thing, right? Why would Syfy get rid of a cheap show that attracts more viewers than most of their other shows?

Abnormal
November 5th, 2011, 06:35 AM
Steff ==> 1.0 / 0.3% :eek:
Siles ==> 1.5 / 0.5% :cool:
Abnormal ==> 1.450.000 / 0.4% :P

jelgate
November 5th, 2011, 06:37 AM
I was re-reading the first page of the thread and I was surprised to see that even with its last audience Sanctuary's still higher than Syfy's Weekly Primetime Average Viewers... So that's a good thing, right? Why would Syfy get rid of a cheap show that attracts more viewers than most of their other shows?
Thier are tons of reasons. The first one that comes to mind is the rising production costs that accumulate as Sanctuary heads into a potential Season 5.

Abnormal
November 5th, 2011, 06:39 AM
Thier are tons of reasons. The first one that comes to mind is the rising production costs that accumulate as Sanctuary heads into a potential Season 5.

I'll remain optimistic...

Rocky89
November 5th, 2011, 09:38 AM
I was re-reading the first page of the thread and I was surprised to see that even with its last audience Sanctuary's still higher than Syfy's Weekly Primetime Average Viewers... So that's a good thing, right? Why would Syfy get rid of a cheap show that attracts more viewers than most of their other shows?

Someone on twitter asked Syfy about ratings and what not, and the person who RT it added Sanctuary with the #, I guess who who ever searches #Sanctuary on twitter would see it. :) :p

@TallyHo8697 RT #Sanctuary “@Syfy: Q) Do DVR recordings of shows count toward the ratings/viewer numbers? A) They can count. See this: http://blastr.com/2011/01/the-truth-about-tv-ratings-online-viewing-and-sci-fi-shows.php”

@TallyHo8697 RT “@Syfy: DVR: the most prominent being the live+same rating, which includes everyone who watched live or the same day via DVR”

@TallyHo8697 RT “@Syfy: Next most important is the live+7 rating, which is everyone who watched a show live and within the next 7 days on DVR.

:)

Abnormal
November 5th, 2011, 11:02 AM
Someone on twitter asked Syfy about ratings and what not, and the person who RT it added Sanctuary with the #, I guess who who ever searches #Sanctuary on twitter would see it. :) :p

@TallyHo8697 RT #Sanctuary “@Syfy: Q) Do DVR recordings of shows count toward the ratings/viewer numbers? A) They can count. See this: http://blastr.com/2011/01/the-truth-about-tv-ratings-online-viewing-and-sci-fi-shows.php”

@TallyHo8697 RT “@Syfy: DVR: the most prominent being the live+same rating, which includes everyone who watched live or the same day via DVR”

@TallyHo8697 RT “@Syfy: Next most important is the live+7 rating, which is everyone who watched a show live and within the next 7 days on DVR.

:)

I haven't seen those Live+7 ratings this season. Did anyone manage to get them?

Steff
November 5th, 2011, 11:38 AM
I haven't seen those Live+7 ratings this season. Did anyone manage to get them?

The Live+7 is not usually publicized. And they are pretty irrelevant unless a show is on the fence. We will have to see this week's live+same rating. With last week's lows and the bad timing, these two weeks could have Sanctuary sitting on that fence.

Steff
November 5th, 2011, 11:50 AM
Thier are tons of reasons. The first one that comes to mind is the rising production costs that accumulate as Sanctuary heads into a potential Season 5.

They have lost a big chunk of money from the discontinuation of Tax breaks. They have been trying to lower the rising cost by having fewer regular cast. Most of the cast is on guest appearance status now. Also they have switched form more computer generated abnormals to Human looking abnormals. Freaky contacts are a lot cheaper then green screening a monster. The one example of a short-cut with CGI that disappointed me the most was the little dots that represented the masses of abnormals coming up from hollow earth. The question that I ask, Do these cost reductions lower the quality of the show? And will this result in lower ratings?

Abnormal
November 5th, 2011, 11:57 AM
The question that I ask, Do these cost reductions lower the quality of the show? And will this result in lower ratings?

As far as I'm concerned, I don't think it lowers the quality of the show at all for the simple reason that so far I've found this season MUCH better than season 4 which was rather disappointing to me.

Thus I don't see why that would result in lower ratings (because I think most people agree with me on the fact that these first episodes are of a better quality than what season 4 used to show us...).

That said, I do regret Kate's absence... And I look forward for her coming back.

What's YOUR opinion?

Steff
November 5th, 2011, 12:12 PM
As far as I'm concerned, I don't think it lowers the quality of the show at all for the simple reason that so far I've found this season MUCH better than season 4 which was rather disappointing to me. That said, I do regret Kate's absence... And I look forward for her coming back.

Thus I don't see why that would result in lower ratings (because I think most people agree with me on the fact that these first episodes are of a better quality than what season 4 used to show...).

What's YOUR opinion?

My opinion? *blushes*... Let's see.... Season 4? I am disappointed in the lesser amount of CGI but have been thrilled with some of the real sets they have built. Victorian London. :D Also do you think they have brought on more consistently written scripts so far this year? I didn't care for the second episode script but have been pleased with the humour and cultural references in the last few episodes. So over-all quality? I agree with the season being better then lots of last year but not as good and the first two seasons. We don't know what exactly each viewer is centering on for their opinion of quality but I do think the changes will result in lower ratings. The main reason being that the show was groundbreaking in green screen technology. If they reduce that element does it become just another "same" show competing without an edge?

Abnormal
November 5th, 2011, 12:27 PM
My opinion? *blushes*... Let's see.... Season 4? I am disappointed in the lesser amount of CGI but have been thrilled with some of the real sets they have built. Victorian London. :D Also do you think they have brought on more consistently written scripts so far this year? I didn't care for the second episode script but have been pleased with the humour and cultural references in the last few episodes. So over-all quality? I agree with the season being better then lots of last year but not as good and the first two seasons. We don't know what exactly each viewer is centering on for their opinion of quality but I do think the changes will result in lower ratings. The main reason being that the show was groundbreaking in green screen technology. If they reduce that element does it become just another "same" show competing without an edge?

Interesting ;).

I'm not sure I would say season 1 and 2 were "better". To me they were just "different". After the second season, the show has taken another path, it has evolved in a way that I did not particularly appreciate at first, but then I got used to it. My opinion is that the ratings are lower (compared to the first two seasons) almost only because the show progressively abandoned standalone episodes. As far as I remember, there was not really a strong storyline in each of the first two seasons (I mean such as Hollow Earth in season 3 for example). I think the ratings are lower because the more time goes by, the more difficult it is for someone who missed an episode to understand the next episode.

This is exactly what happened to shows like Desperate Housewives, Brothers and Sisters etc etc etc. This does not happen to cop shows (generally speaking) because you can miss 4 episodes and then come back and you'll have no difficulty to understand the episode you'll be watching.

I'm not saying that the ratings being down are not at all due to a potential poorer quality, I'm just saying that I think it's not the main reason...

PS1: don't blush, it's great to share our views...
PS2: sorry if I made mistakes, I'm tired and I'm mixing up English, French and Spanish right now...

Steff
November 5th, 2011, 12:35 PM
"My opinion is that the ratings are lower (compared to the first two seasons) almost only because the show progressively abandoned standalone episodes." Abnormal

Oh, oh... I haven't thought of that. You are so right. I wonder if this will also affect syndication of the series. Law and Order type shows are great as reruns because they are all stand-alone. But if we look back at some of Sanctuary's season 3 filler stand-alone episodes some where quite disappointing. Not unlike their new trend of the boring B-story they throw in each episode. If they could find the right balance of "strong" stand-alone and limited arc episodes I think they could grow a new audience for the ratings they need for renewal. But can they do it with the CGI limitations and inconsistent writing?

Abnormal
November 5th, 2011, 12:49 PM
"My opinion is that the ratings are lower (compared to the first two seasons) almost only because the show progressively abandoned standalone episodes." Abnormal

Oh, oh... I haven't thought of that. You are so right. I wonder if this will also affect syndication of the series. Law and Order type shows are great as reruns because they are all stand-alone. But if we look back at some of season 3 filler stand-alone episodes some where quite disappointing. Not unlike their new trend of the boring B-story they throw in each episode. If they could find the right balance of "strong" stand-alone and limited arc episodes I think they could grow a new audience for the ratings they need for renewal. But can they do it with the CGI limitations and inconsistent writing?

Yep, I think stand-alone episodes were much better written in seasons 1 and 2. Most of those of season 3 were so boring that I didn't watch them entirely... This I think was due (if I remember correctly) to Syfy's late decision to add 9 episodes to season 3. I'm convinced season 3 would have looked excellent with only 13 episodes.

I agree that it will get more and more complicated to have all the characters present + interesting stories + consistent writing + good special effects with all those taxes and limitations... But then I guess the real question is (at least when I read your post this is what I wonder): would you rather have a good SERIES finale at the end of season 4 so that the show stops losing its quality (if you consider it's losing it) or a season 5 with the risk of seeing the quality of the show lowering? I'd like to know what you think about that :)

Steff
November 5th, 2011, 01:05 PM
Yep, I think stand-alone episodes were much better written in seasons 1 and 2. Most of those of season 3 were so boring that I didn't watch them entirely... This I think was due (if I remember correctly) to Syfy's late decision to add 9 episodes to season 3. I'm convinced season 3 would have looked excellent with only 13 episodes.

I agree that it will get more and more complicated to have all the characters present + interesting stories + consistent writing + good special effects with all those taxes and limitations... But then I guess the real question is (at least when I read your post this is what I wonder): would we rather have a good finale for season 4 so that the show stops losing its quality (if one considers it's losing it) or a season 5 with a very poor quality? I'd like to know what you think about that :)

I bet you can guess my answer as I bet I can guess yours after reading the question...... I would love to have Season 4 go out with a bang. No cliff-hanger. I think the cliff-hanger, thanks alot JR, ending used in so many recent shows is getting to be a bad idea since the seasons are so short. It was fine to wait out the summer for the plot resolution season premiere. But after a 6, 9, or 13 episode season I seem to forget what had happened at the end and often finding I don't care.

Also having to build little bits into the years story to climax at the end seems to add all those boring b story bits that have started to FF through. Ratings for the big arc shows do seem to diminish after 3 years. I am disappointed that Sanctuary has taken this direction and we are now seeing the rating decline that goes with a soap-opera night drama. :(

Abnormal
November 5th, 2011, 01:08 PM
I bet you can guess my answer as I bet I can guess yours after reading the question......

I changed the phrasing of the question rapidly but you were too fast!

Abnormal
November 5th, 2011, 01:12 PM
Oh and as for me... I can't even answer my own question... Of course I don't want the show to lose quality but... I don't want to lose Amanda, the team and the atmosphere of the show either... :(

jelgate
November 5th, 2011, 01:29 PM
They have lost a big chunk of money from the discontinuation of Tax breaks. They have been trying to lower the rising cost by having fewer regular cast. Most of the cast is on guest appearance status now. Also they have switched form more computer generated abnormals to Human looking abnormals. Freaky contacts are a lot cheaper then green screening a monster. The one example of a short-cut with CGI that disappointed me the most was the little dots that represented the masses of abnormals coming up from hollow earth. The question that I ask, Do these cost reductions lower the quality of the show? And will this result in lower ratings?
No because quality is a subjective matter. What is quality to one person is garbage to another.

Steff
November 5th, 2011, 01:35 PM
No because quality is a subjective matter. What is quality to one person is garbage to another.

You are Exactly right.. :D

majorsal
November 5th, 2011, 02:13 PM
Steff ==> 1.0 / 0.3%
Siles ==> 1.5 / 0.5%
Abnormal ==> 1.450.000 / 0.4%
majorsal ==> 1.37 / 0.5

blueray
November 6th, 2011, 05:01 AM
is that good? i wish i understood what the various numbers mean.

Abnormal
November 6th, 2011, 05:42 AM
is that good? i wish i understood what the various numbers mean.

Which numbers?

Altariel
November 7th, 2011, 12:40 PM
http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/11/07/friday-cable-ratings-discoverys-gold-rush-tops-cable-friday-night-smackdown-sanctuary-boss-more/109832/

OMG

1.258 Mil Demo: 0.4

Holy crap



Syfy's Sanctuary was up 100% with adults 18-49 to a 0.6 rating. Which is right? 0.4 or 0.6?

Steff
November 7th, 2011, 12:44 PM
http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/11/07/friday-cable-ratings-discoverys-gold-rush-tops-cable-friday-night-smackdown-sanctuary-boss-more/109832/

OMG

1.258 Mil Demo: 0.4

Holy crap

No baseball excuse for this week. :( You can't isolate some of your key demographic and not take a hit. Television is a Business.

Rocky89
November 7th, 2011, 12:45 PM
No baseball excuse for this week. :( You can't isolate some of your key demographic and not take a hit. Television is a Business.

"Syfy's Sanctuary was up 100% with adults 18-49 to a 0.6 rating."

Um... that part and the table don't match. :p

Altariel
November 7th, 2011, 12:49 PM
But maybe the 0.6 is the mistake and 0.4 is right. Of course I wish it is 0.6. At least it is not 0.3 and under 1 mil viewers. If it goes under 1 mil, then I will be seriously worried.

Steff
November 7th, 2011, 12:50 PM
"Syfy's Sanctuary was up 100% with adults 18-49 to a 0.6 rating."

Um... that part and the table don't match. :p


The 0.6 is an error. It is 0.4
Last week being the lowest friday ever. This week is about tied for 3rd lowest Friday Rating ever for Sanctuary.

Altariel
November 7th, 2011, 01:12 PM
It´s really only 0.4 :(

Steff
November 7th, 2011, 01:25 PM
And the Predictions winners of this week...... drumrolllll......

Actual is 1.258 Mil Demo: 0.4

Abnormal for an exact guess of 0.4

And

Majorsal for the closest Total guess of 1.37M

Abnormal ==> 1.450.000 / 0.4%
majorsal ==> 1.37 / 0.5
Steff ==> 1.0 / 0.3%
Siles ==> 1.5 / 0.5%

Rocky89
November 7th, 2011, 03:23 PM
I burrowed this from the Sanctuary board over at Syfy.com, and it's just for some food for thought as Sally calls it. :p

scifriday:

There was no World Series game on Friday. Without the competition Wrestling went up .2 points and Sancturary only went up .1 point.

If you look back to Oct. 24th the week before the World Series, Sanctuary did a 0.5 and 1.466 million viewers. So, if you leave out the World Series, Sanctuary actually went from 0.5 to .04 for the last two non world series weeks. And in viewership Sanctuary went from 1.466 to 1.258 million viewers. Basically, it looks like Sanctuary's decline in the ratings was unaffected by the kiss etither way.

Basically what the poll showed us is that Sanctuary did not lose any viewers because of the kiss, but that Sanctuary's ratings are still doing a slow descent.

In fact, from the World Series week to this week Sanctuary only picked up .057 million viewers.

Steff
November 7th, 2011, 03:32 PM
I burrowed this from the Sanctuary board over at Syfy.com, and it's just for some food for thought as Sally calls it. :p

scifriday:

There was no World Series game on Friday. Without the competition Wrestling went up .2 points and Sancturary only went up .1 point.

If you look back to Oct. 24th the week before the World Series, Sanctuary did a 0.5 and 1.466 million viewers. So, if you leave out the World Series, Sanctuary actually went from 0.5 to .04 for the last two non world series weeks. And in viewership Sanctuary went from 1.466 to 1.258 million viewers. Basically, it looks like Sanctuary's decline in the ratings was unaffected by the kiss etither way.

Basically what the poll showed us is that Sanctuary did not lose any viewers because of the kiss, but that Sanctuary's ratings are still doing a slow descent.

In fact, from the World Series week to this week Sanctuary only picked up .057 million viewers.

They did go round to find the answer they wanted. Here is how I see it. The world series caused a sharp decline in live plus same day ratings. So the next week since this Friday had no sports or other Big premiere like that Gold show the result should have been a return to the 1.4 and 0.5. But this did not happen. What was different about this week? There was a big controversy and numbers of fans stated they would be leaving the show. Voilà! Ergo the Kiss caused a drop in ratings.

Skydiver
November 7th, 2011, 04:20 PM
We are also in the prime of high school football season, we've had the world series, power outages affecting millions of people, new shows premiering on the big networks....

oh but wait, a 15 second scene is all to blame :rolleyes:

Do we even need to bring up the old info from SGU? that ratings are made by MILLIONS of random average people and that even if all 40,000 people on his forum watched and could count in the ratings they wouldn't even effect it a 10th of a percent????

Steff
November 7th, 2011, 04:31 PM
We are also in the prime of high school football season, we've had the world series, power outages affecting millions of people, new shows premiering on the big networks....

oh but wait, a 15 second scene is all to blame :rolleyes:

Do we even need to bring up the old info from SGU? that ratings are made by MILLIONS of random average people and that even if all 40,000 people on his forum watched and could count in the ratings they wouldn't even effect it a 10th of a percent????

It isn't that there was a kiss. It was that they didn't consider their largest demographic of Women in their 30's and 40's. We can all say that life in society is at a point that things like this do not affect how a person picks the shows to watch but that is not the case. Right or wrong, many fans vocally stated that they would be leaving the show. Debate among yourselves as to the closed-mindedness of their decisions but remember this. Television is a business of selling a product. So if a percentage of your customers could decide to purchase another shoe brand because of a change in the brand color, is the change a good business move? Show Business 101

Celandine
November 7th, 2011, 04:49 PM
It isn't that there was a kiss. It was that they didn't consider their largest demographic of Women in their 30's and 40's. We can all say that life in society is at a point that things like this do not affect how a person picks the shows to watch but that is not the case. Right or wrong, many fans vocally stated that they would be leaving the show. Debate among yourselves as to the closed-mindedness of their decisions but remember this. Television is a business of selling a product. So if a percentage of your customers could decide to purchase another shoe brand because of a change in the brand color, is the change a good business move? Show Business 101

Seriously?! You're gonna say a kiss is what is making the decline in ratings?

The decline in ratings is nothing new. I remember when Sanctuary was changed to Monday nights and there was a sharp decline in viewers. Everyone was running around like Chicken Little. But, the show was renewed for another season and here it starts again.

Relax people. And please, let's not jump on the homophobic band wagon and use a kiss as a scapegoat.

So my opinion.

Steff
November 7th, 2011, 04:53 PM
Seriously?! You're gonna say a kiss is what is making the decline in ratings?

The decline in ratings is nothing new. I remember when Sanctuary was changed to Monday nights and there was a sharp decline in viewers. Everyone was running around like Chicken Little. But, show was renewed for another season and here it starts again.

Relax people. And please, let's not jump on the homophobic band wagon and use a kiss as a scapegoat.

So my opinion.

The kiss is irrelevant at this point. This is not a debate on homosexuality. This is a discussion on what happens when a percentage of a fan base decides to leave. It might have been because of a controversy but Business-wise it comes down to losing customers.

RealmOfX
November 7th, 2011, 05:42 PM
No baseball excuse for this week. :( You can't isolate some of your key demographic and not take a hit. Television is a Business.

Seriously Stef, what are you going on about?

There has only been small movements in Sanctuary's viewership this year. Trying to ascribe one event or reason for the movement is illogical. If it is a huge repeatable occurrence then you might have evidence to support you however Sanctuary premiered this season with 1,380,000 and so far over 5 showings it has had a high of 1,466,000 and a low of 1,201,000. That kind of movement is nothing new to Sanctuary, go look at the previous year's stats.

Skydiver
November 7th, 2011, 05:48 PM
And you can't confuse 'fanbase' with 'viewers'

The ratings don't come from people that play on forums or mailing lists...they come from random folks that turn on a set and watch a show.

Viewers keep a show on the air, not fans.

RealmOfX
November 7th, 2011, 06:00 PM
You are right in the assumption that if every person on a social site that stated they where leaving did not watch, it would only affect the ratings a miniscule amount. But in this case this sample was not the whole. These comments could be taken as a statistical sample of the total Sanctuary audience. And when this sample is multiplied by the whole, then we see a noticeable drop in ratings.

Edit: This sample would have to be the actual number that posted on the SanctuarySeries FB, Syfy Sanctuary Forum. etc..... The majority of the comments where censored from the sites. But this is understandable. Sanctaury is a business and wants to control their public image.

"These comments could be taken as a statistical sample of the total Sanctuary audience." - no they wouldn't. Any analyst worth their salt would never attempt to used biased anecdotal evidence such as this.

Steff
November 7th, 2011, 06:00 PM
Seriously Stef, what are you going on about?

There has only been small movements in Sanctuary's viewership this year. Trying to ascribe one event or reason for the movement is illogical. If it is a huge repeatable occurrence then you might have evidence to support you however Sanctuary premiered this season with 1,380,000 and so far over 5 showings it has had a high of 1,466,000 and a low of 1,201,000. That kind of movement is nothing new to Sanctuary, go look at the previous year's stats.

Yes, it is not illogical to ascribe one event or reason for a movement in ratings. Let me think of an example. Oh yes, the reason for the lowest Sanctuary Friday ratings ever. The World series. We all jumped on that single event as a cause for lower ratings. That one is easy and probably a pretty accurate guess. Another actual event that happened was the social network controversy of the episode Monsoom. We can ignore that it happened and we can sweep it away with social site censorship. But it did result in a drastic increase of hits. With the majority of initial hits being negative from first time posters. Not the usual fans that are vocal supporters. Within minutes the censorship did start but we do have to wonder. If this many people where posting on the sites for the first time because of their decision to leave the show, what percentage of the audience was having the same response but just weren't vocalizing it publicly? As for it being a trend... we will have to wait and see. Can every reason for ratings be determined as fact. Of course we can not because the television viewer is a fickle breed.

suse
November 7th, 2011, 06:12 PM
You are right in the assumption that if every person on a social site that stated they where leaving did not watch, it would only affect the ratings a miniscule amount. But in this case this sample was not the whole. These comments could be taken as a statistical sample of the total Sanctuary audience. And when this sample is multiplied by the whole, then we see a noticeable drop in ratings.

Edit: This sample would have to be the actual number that posted on the SanctuarySeries FB, Syfy Sanctuary Forum. etc..... The majority of the comments where censored from the sites. But this is understandable. Sanctaury is a business and wants to control their public image.


Sanctuary does not control the syfy site.

Skydiver
November 7th, 2011, 06:14 PM
So are we really going to relive the 'joy' of hte SGU and SGA folder where ratings increases and decreases were blamed on

Keller talking'
keler not talking
rodney talking
rodney not talking
shep getting hte girl
shep not getting the girl
shep kirking
shep not kirking
space ships
lack of space ships

etc, etc, etc.

The english translation, anyone that wanted to justify their opinion interpreted the ratings as rising or falling because of whatever drum they were banging at any moment in time.

At the end of the day, noting can be proven or disproven so do we REALLY need to go there?

Next thing you know ratings will be blamed on

Kate not being there
Tesla not being there
Tesla being there
too much abby
not enough abby
too much will
not enough will

Steff
November 7th, 2011, 06:15 PM
Sanctuary does not control the syfy site.

You are right. Syfy did their own censorship. Remember that they also are a a business that does not want negative publicity or controversy. Advertisers do not like controversy.

RealmOfX
November 7th, 2011, 06:16 PM
Actually this is done daily for all types of products. The use of demographic information gathering through social media is growing dramatically. From what soda people tweet about to even what television show advertisers want to be a part of ... or not.

People collect the data however because of the biased nature of it it can't be used to analyse in the same way that the ratings are.

It's basic maths.

Skydiver
November 7th, 2011, 06:16 PM
Whatever did or did not happen on the facebook or syfy page is not on topic here. We've already said that and it does not need to be repeated. You got issues with them, take it up with them. This forum is not going to be put in the middle of whatever might have happened.

RealmOfX
November 7th, 2011, 06:35 PM
I do have my PhD in Business Statistics. hehe.... I do knows my maths.... and how different sources of data can be compared.

Sorry not under this circumstance - trying to use unquantifiable data will get you a fail in any stats class and that is precisely what you are trying to do.

However seeing as you say you have a PhD in Stats then please do go and do a proper analysis and look at Sanctuary's Seasonal total viewer movements and you'll be able to see that there is nothing marked about the last two weeks figures.

I'll leave you with two words - mountain, molehill

Skydiver
November 7th, 2011, 06:37 PM
It hit such a 'social nerve' that, beyond a few people on a few online sites, it's a non issue. is it on the news? in TV guide? Variety? Entertainment Tonight? the Today show?

If someone wants to believe that a 15 second scene has crashed the ratings and potentially doomed the show...go for it. I am placing my bets on high school football season, extreme weather conditions, major markets suffering large and long term power outages effecting not only viewers but cable hubs as well, sports events and new network shows premiering.

I also know that the show's ratings trend up and down during the season, kinda like a see saw.

Rocky89
November 7th, 2011, 06:37 PM
So, Sanctuary :p what are people thinking for next week? Up or down? :)

RealmOfX
November 7th, 2011, 06:44 PM
It hit such a 'social nerve' that, beyond a few people on a few online sites, it's a non issue. is it on the news? in TV guide? Variety? Entertainment Tonight? the Today show?

If someone wants to believe that a 15 second scene has crashed the ratings and potentially doomed the show...go for it. I am placing my bets on high school football season, extreme weather conditions, major markets suffering large and long term power outages effecting not only viewers but cable hubs as well, sports events and new network shows premiering.

I also know that the show's ratings trend up and down during the season, kinda like a see saw.

Yeah they do go up and down, I may even do a comparative graph later :D

*have stats will play with graphs*

RealmOfX
November 7th, 2011, 06:57 PM
You do seem have a grasp of fundamental statistics. But you do realize that there are people that do exactly what you are asking... to statistically analysis each season's ratings with different variables? The introduction of social network data as a variable it the biggest growing aspect of data collection. You have to realize that the data is compared to other shows with a similar situation. The variable of homosexual characters in a show is a variable that is studied. So is the variable of a blonde good looking female with large boobs. Statisticians do take the mountains and molehills and give data for a more informed choice. Is it exact? No, because the biggest variable in this whole scenario is that Human behavior is not 100% predictable.

Non quantifiable data is non quantifiable data.

The one big problem with your reasoning is that the viewer numbers went up from last week. You also have no way to identify the troll quotient of the number of postings in social media.

Rocky89
November 7th, 2011, 07:56 PM
Seriously?! You're gonna say a kiss is what is making the decline in ratings?

The decline in ratings is nothing new. I remember when Sanctuary was changed to Monday nights and there was a sharp decline in viewers. Everyone was running around like Chicken Little. But, the show was renewed for another season and here it starts again.

Relax people. And please, let's not jump on the homophobic band wagon and use a kiss as a scapegoat.

So my opinion.

*Agrees*

majorsal
November 7th, 2011, 07:56 PM
Sanctuary on these show? It is so wee... they have never been at that level of media coverage. Even though they did get half a sentence in Entertainment Weekly a couple of time.

I'm sure you are probably right about all the little things that went together to lower the ratings but we can't say with that the controversy had no effect.

no we can't. it might have, it could have, or it might have had zero effect (with the ppl with nielson boxes).

the reason why you thought it would go down (the kiss) is the same reason why i thought it would go up. i thought word of mouth would bring in the lookie-loos. but i also thought it wouldn't stick, b/c the ppl that wanted more g/g action would realize it wasn't there and quit again.

Abnormal
November 7th, 2011, 08:18 PM
The more time goes by, the less happy I am to read messages or comment on this thread when the numbers are known... (not only this one actually...). There is such an unpleasant atmosphere this year that I may not come again for a while...

Abnormal
November 7th, 2011, 08:33 PM
Please guys, just stop and deal with it in private...

siles
November 7th, 2011, 09:31 PM
I wish this would stay a prediction only thread

Celandine
November 7th, 2011, 11:07 PM
So are we really going to relive the 'joy' of hte SGU and SGA folder where ratings increases and decreases were blamed on

Keller talking'
keler not talking
rodney talking
rodney not talking
shep getting hte girl
shep not getting the girl
shep kirking
shep not kirking
space ships
lack of space ships

etc, etc, etc.

The english translation, anyone that wanted to justify their opinion interpreted the ratings as rising or falling because of whatever drum they were banging at any moment in time.

At the end of the day, noting can be proven or disproven so do we REALLY need to go there?

Next thing you know ratings will be blamed on

Kate not being there
Tesla not being there
Tesla being there
too much abby
not enough abby
too much will
not enough will

Tried to green you from the fridge but the door wouldn't budge. So saying thanks here and now. I can't agree more.


I don't remember any of those incidents being part of a extended one week controversy that required a social network censorship for damage control. Maybe I just missed it. I know people are embarrassed that there are people that would rant etc......both sides included.. but they hit a social nerve in our present society. Yes it is there. And yes it can affect ratings.

If this situation was not worth acknowledging why was it so overly debated.... over and over and over?

I wish this would just be over already. Ratings go up and down for various reasons and have done so in the past too many times to count. A kiss between consenting adults should be seen as a good thing rather one to gasp at in shock when you think about how much violence on TV we have to begin with.

Other shows have gay main characters on them and do fine. Grey's Anatomy is another fav of mine and still is, but long before the writers decided to bring in a gay couple. On a prime time viewing channel. People accepted and moved on and have grown to love the characters beyond what their sexual orientation might be. The writing/storyline is what keeps people coming back. I said this before and I say it again, sexual orientation is such a small part of who we are and for you to focus solely on that aspect as a reason for a ratings drop, no matter how insignificant, shows homophobic leanings.


Yeah they do go up and down, I may even do a comparative graph later :D

*have stats will play with graphs*

Please? Perhaps then we can just move on from this.

RealmOfX
November 7th, 2011, 11:46 PM
OK here are two graphs comparing Viewer numbers by season. The first one is total viewers and the second is total viewer variance from the previous episode of the season.

I've only used the Fall figures for Season 3 because it is a comparison based on airing date. Week 1 = Oct 1 through 7 and so on.

32650

32651

Steff
November 7th, 2011, 11:54 PM
They did go round to find the answer they wanted. Here is how I see it. The world series caused a sharp decline in live plus same day ratings. So the next week since this Friday had no sports or other Big premiere like that Gold show the result should have been a return to the 1.4 and 0.5. But this did not happen. What was different about this week? There was a big controversy and numbers of fans stated they would be leaving the show. Voilà! Ergo the Kiss caused a drop in ratings.

Yes, I am quoting myself. I wonder if anyone took the time to really read my first comment on the whole Ergo the kiss caused the drop. If you had you would have realized the whole reasoning was a parody of the previous poster's journey though the numbers to obtain the result they wanted. Although I do think it could be one possible reason for the drop my point was mainly sarcasm. But after reading all the debate I wonder why does the subject make people feel they have to show they are on the correct side. Then Voilà! The underlying subject matter bugs people. And it bugs people that everyone does not agree.

So what is causing the ratings? Who the hell on a simple thread in a fan forum knows the answer? hehe... I would say if we had 20 people here there would be 20 different opinions. It just seems some are more adamant about being right.

RealmOfX
November 8th, 2011, 12:06 AM
What drop Steff?? The ratings went up from last week.

Steff
November 8th, 2011, 12:13 AM
What drop Steff?? The ratings went up from last week.

You are right.

fems
November 8th, 2011, 04:46 AM
It isn't that there was a kiss. It was that they didn't consider their largest demographic of Women in their 30's and 40's. We can all say that life in society is at a point that things like this do not affect how a person picks the shows to watch but that is not the case. Right or wrong, many fans vocally stated that they would be leaving the show. Debate among yourselves as to the closed-mindedness of their decisions but remember this. Television is a business of selling a product. So if a percentage of your customers could decide to purchase another shoe brand because of a change in the brand color, is the change a good business move? Show Business 101

But they didn't change the brand color, they simply released a limited edition shoe in a different color. Will everyone buy it? No, but only those who are upset about it are likely to be vocal about it, the rest will just buy it or shrug it off.

It's a horribly analogy by the way, because who really sticks to just one shoe brand? Men perhaps, but most women buy different brands; they might stick to the same shop, but most shops sell different types of brands.


Yes, it is not illogical to ascribe one event or reason for a movement in ratings. Let me think of an example. Oh yes, the reason for the lowest Sanctuary Friday ratings ever. The World series. We all jumped on that single event as a cause for lower ratings. That one is easy and probably a pretty accurate guess.

Yes, because a lot of people are either sports fans or live with one; so the TV will be locked on The World series, while at other times the sports fan might watch different stuff (like Sanctuary) or be out/uncaring and let the other people in the household watch what they want (like Sanctuary).


Another actual event that happened was the social network controversy of the episode Monsoom. We can ignore that it happened and we can sweep it away with social site censorship. But it did result in a drastic increase of hits. With the majority of initial hits being negative from first time posters. Not the usual fans that are vocal supporters. Within minutes the censorship did start but we do have to wonder. If this many people where posting on the sites for the first time because of their decision to leave the show, what percentage of the audience was having the same response but just weren't vocalizing it publicly? As for it being a trend... we will have to wait and see. Can every reason for ratings be determined as fact. Of course we can not because the television viewer is a fickle breed.

The thing with controversy is that most of the people that complain about it and are vocal, are those who are against what has happened. Yes, there may have been many first time posters that said they wouldn't keep watching because they're homophobic, but what about all those people who simply enjoyed the episode and didn't care either way? Do you really think they would go online in case other people would be complaining about it and become first time posters to say they will keep watching the show no matter Magnus' sexual orientation?


It's ironic when people start complaining about censorship on other sites and then start deleting their own posts...

~

A bit late to the party, but that's the thing with different time zones.

I'm not really worried about the decline in ratings, mostly because I never really look into that sort of stuff and that has worked for me throughout the years. But so far the ratings don't seem to be too dramatic and in my opinion, it seems too early to start drawing conclusions about it after two episodes and what the reasons could be (The World series & Monsoon).

Steff
November 8th, 2011, 08:55 AM
Another person that feels the need to join the farce. No, this is not a debate on Homosexuality so the need for calling people homophobic is not needed. You should open a thread in the off-topic section. Then you can sling words randomly at people as you like.

So the topic at hand is rather a controversy can cause a decline in ratings. The actual cause of the controversy is irrelevant at this point. But if you want to continue....*see paragraph above*.

The World Series. That game hit several shows. The game was only on Friday because it rained on Thursday. :O

Deleting....They are not gone. I just deleted post that others have quoted so no censorship, just compaction. I actually was trying to minimize thread interruption here since people where complaining the thread is for ratings not discussing social opinions. And mainly because I started all of this debate as a parody on how people can use data to come up with their own opinions. hehe And then I had a great time seeing *adding wood to fire*;) the others go on and on about how they are right. Ergo, people love to argue. hehe And some will argue till they are declared the winner.

So this controversy stops.... I now declare you the winner. *throws confetti*

So other then calling people names, what is your opinion on causes for the state of Sanctuary in terms of the Nielsen Ratings? Mine go from controversy, inconsistent writing, limited use of CGI as compared to earlier shows, the transition to a soap opera from stand-alones, weak filler episodes of season 3, reduction of full time cast....

ann_sgcfan
November 8th, 2011, 10:38 AM
I think Steff makes a reasonable argument ... and before you launch your next assault on me like you have the last few pages. There is something in the storytelling that is turning off fans from the show. You can compile as many graphs as you like but the facts remain season 3 started with 1.787 million viewers and this season started with a 1.323 and only getting up to a 1.466 (2nd episode) and continuing to decline dropping to tie it's lowest Friday night rating ever for Monsoon 1.201 and this weeks Tesla eppy only gets a ratings of 1.258 (which only ... what 2 or 3 episodes in previous seasons on Friday were lower). The rating may come back this week or the may continue to decline, only time will tell.

While most here are cheerleading for the infamous kiss, and the few that aren't well the last few pages can attest to the treatment they are given... apparently something is turning fans away. It may not be the kiss you so riotously defend to the result you begin bullying anyone that doesn't share your views ... for some the kiss so late in the series to change the sexuality (before they only made mention of male lovers and her supposed lost love was John) of the main female lead was eye opening... and others can't imagine anything more normal. You're going to have various views on this subject ... but for whatever reason I think there is something in the storytelling that is not bringing in or keeping the fans each week. Rating rebounded in 2nd episode and then fell from there ... If they want better ratings there going to have to bring better stories that the general viewers enjoy... whatever that maybe.

You can blame the ratings on whatever outside event you want. However, if the story is good enough then viewers will want to tune in when they get home ... to the point that high school football (despite the fact that it's playoff meaning majority of teams are no longer playing), world series, etc. may deter them from the first run episode ... they tune in to their DVRs or the later show to see what is happening this week ... and right now apparently that's not happening.

Mandysg1
November 8th, 2011, 10:58 AM
It would be good to see the Dvr +7 numbers, to see if the show is losing it's audience or if more are just dvr'ing it. It would also be good to compare when the 'slipping' ratings started, was it from the weak episodes of S3 such as One Night and others like it, or has it started this season? Did people not like S3 and not bother to tune back in for s4 or are they still here and we just don't know?

RealmOfX
November 8th, 2011, 10:59 AM
The only problem with your opinion Steff is that the figures aren't backing up what you are saying.

Sanctuary is a fairly steady performer with an overall trend downward, nothing big just something some shows tend to do as they age.

The total viewer figures aren't available for Season 1 (only 7 out of 12 weeks) but here are the season averages :
Season 1 - above 1,863,857
Season 2 - 1,533,583
Season 3 - 1,236,700
Season 4 - 1,325,600

The only marked changes that the series has had was when :

there was a post premiere drop in Season 1
they switched airing nights in Season 3.


So far your controversy factor hasn't had a noticeable effect on viewership (beyond a negligible movement up) especially when you compare the historic weekly viewer variance. The data would suggest that the movement is more seasonal. It will be interesting to see how the pattern of variance this year compares to previous years.

Is Sanctuary trending downwards over the seasons? Yes, but that can be attributed to natural aging (remember a change of around 100,000 viewers is considered a negligible change because of the casual viewers that come and go).

RealmOfX
November 8th, 2011, 11:02 AM
I wish this would stay a prediction only thread

I don't. This started out as a ratings discussion thread, if you can't handle the discussion then start a prediction only thread in the games/off topic section.

ann_sgcfan
November 8th, 2011, 11:22 AM
I disagree Rox. Season 3 had an average of 1.4 and up on Friday's (if you want to compare apple to apples) until the move to another night. The show has only recovered to match that s3 Friday night average for the 2nd episode so far this season. The last two episodes have tied for the worst rating on a Friday night or been among the bottom 5 episodes of the entire series ratings wise for Friday nights.

Steff
November 8th, 2011, 11:58 AM
I don't. This started out as a ratings discussion thread, if you can't handle the discussion then start a prediction only thread in the games/off topic section.

Honey, I agree. A good verbal tumble can be exhilarating. But Maybe it would be a good idea to start a Predictions/No Discussion thread. This one does seem to have become one of the larger threads under season 4 Sanctuary.

Oh, I see your point of the downward trend. Yeap, very common. Especially with Arc driven shows. Just when does the show get too low for renewal? As Ann stated... these lows are some of the lowest on record for Fridays.

Ann, I do hope they don't repeat the last few pages with you. hehe.... *hugs*

majorsal
November 8th, 2011, 01:34 PM
Yes, I am quoting myself. I wonder if anyone took the time to really read my first comment on the whole Ergo the kiss caused the drop. If you had you would have realized the whole reasoning was a parody of the previous poster's journey though the numbers to obtain the result they wanted. Although I do think it could be one possible reason for the drop my point was mainly sarcasm. But after reading all the debate I wonder why does the subject make people feel they have to show they are on the correct side. Then Voilà! The underlying subject matter bugs people. And it bugs people that everyone does not agree.

So what is causing the ratings? Who the hell on a simple thread in a fan forum knows the answer? hehe... I would say if we had 20 people here there would be 20 different opinions. It just seems some are more adamant about being right.

that's why debates go on and on.

majorsal
November 8th, 2011, 01:43 PM
So other then calling people names, what is your opinion on causes for the state of Sanctuary in terms of the Nielsen Ratings? Mine go from controversy, inconsistent writing, limited use of CGI as compared to earlier shows, the transition to a soap opera from stand-alones, weak filler episodes of season 3, reduction of full time cast....

stop focusing on the characters/storylines that aren't real popular. i know they've written and filmed them way in advance, but still...

jelgate
November 8th, 2011, 01:48 PM
stop focusing on the characters/storylines that aren't real popular. i know they've written and filmed them way in advance, but still...

And how do we judge what is popular?

majorsal
November 8th, 2011, 01:55 PM
It would be good to see the Dvr +7 numbers, to see if the show is losing it's audience or if more are just dvr'ing it. It would also be good to compare when the 'slipping' ratings started, was it from the weak episodes of S3 such as One Night and others like it, or has it started this season? Did people not like S3 and not bother to tune back in for s4 or are they still here and we just don't know?

for me, the weakest episodes of season 3 are haunting this series. and what's worse, that weakness has continued in season 4.

i expected that once they went back to 13 eps, ALL the episodes would be tight and strong. this isn't the case. i found 'tempus' awesome, but everything else after that alright. 'untouchable' i can't give a fair assessment on, b/c something was spoiled for me on it, so i watched it with a different view. 'uprising' i found weak. 'monsoon' was good (the helen storyline for me), but some have pointed out mistakes in editing: that should *never* have made it past editing and to the screen. 'resistance' was missing something, but i give that more to a weakish script, doubly compounded by a first-time director not getting the best out of the ep.

maybe damian needs to be *the* writer of this series...

majorsal
November 8th, 2011, 02:01 PM
And how do we judge what is popular?

first, your avatar is beautiful! :p

(farscape, right?)

if anyone were to go to forums on different sites, i think they'd see which storylines and characters get the most negativity.

this is my opinion only.

jelgate
November 8th, 2011, 02:13 PM
first, your avatar is beautiful! :p

(farscape, right?)

if anyone were to go to forums on different sites, i think they'd see which storylines and characters get the most negativity.

this is my opinion only.
Haven't we seen enough data to show that what fans like and dislike does not always equate to what casual viewers like and dislike. I won't even bring up how fans contradict themselves on what they like and dislike

fems
November 8th, 2011, 04:11 PM
I wish this would stay a prediction only thread

The thread's title seems quite clear to me...



Another person that feels the need to join the farce. No, this is not a debate on Homosexuality so the need for calling people homophobic is not needed. You should open a thread in the off-topic section. Then you can sling words randomly at people as you like.

Farce, really? Interesting choice of words... I never said this was a debate about homosexuality (it doesn't have to be capitalized you know, it's the same as heterosexuality) and I wasn't calling anyone names. I merely referred to all the vocal people that had been complaining about Magnus' sexual orientation on other sites/fora and who'd been censored according to all the posts here (on GW). But hey, if you feel the shoe fits...


So the topic at hand is rather a controversy can cause a decline in ratings. The actual cause of the controversy is irrelevant at this point. But if you want to continue....*see paragraph above*.

The World Series. That game hit several shows. The game was only on Friday because it rained on Thursday. :O

I stand by my earlier view; it's impossible to draw conclusion about whether the 'controversy' caused an immediate decline since it hasn't been long enough since. If the ratings stay this low or keep declining throughout the season (specifically starting after Monsoon) then I'd say maybe it's one of the causes, but right now it's too soon to tell.


Deleting.... I actually was trying to minimize thread interruption here since people where complaining the thread is for ratings not discussing social opinions.

Yeah, it seems like a new theme. I was already wondering if I was starting to imagine things with all these posts being posted and deleted after a while.


And then I had a great time seeing *adding wood to fire*;) the others go on and on about how they are right. Ergo, people love to argue. hehe And some will argue till they are declared the winner.

So this controversy stops.... I now declare you the winner. *throws confetti*

No one is going on and on about how right they are just because they happen to disagree with you and point out flaws in your arguments. It's not about winning anything and I find this quite immature behavior.


So other then calling people names, what is your opinion on causes for the state of Sanctuary in terms of the Nielsen Ratings? Mine go from controversy, inconsistent writing, limited use of CGI as compared to earlier shows, the transition to a soap opera from stand-alones, weak filler episodes of season 3, reduction of full time cast....

Again, I wasn't calling you (or anyone else) names; you are reading into things that aren't there and seem to take everything rather personal.

Like I said before I don't usually pay much attention to a show's ratings and since I don't live in the USA I don't have any experience with Nielsen ratings, therefore I can't really discuss the ratings themselves. I'm one of few in my groups of friends that watches Sanctuary since it's not on TV here, so I can only base my guesses on how I experience the show.

For me, Will is the weakest link. In the beginning I cut him some slack since he was new and Magnus' protege, but he's lacking growth and maturity even though the others at the Sanctuary treat him like he's far more capable than what he's shown so far. I don't find him a suitable replacement for Magnus, in my opinion even Henry or Biggie would have been better during Uprising if it had to be someone from Old City. His relationship with the ever annoying and ditzy Abby only makes it worse and the episodes that have her (and them together) in it are probably my least favorite.



While most here are cheerleading for the infamous kiss, and the few that aren't well the last few pages can attest to the treatment they are given... apparently something is turning fans away. It may not be the kiss you so riotously defend to the result you begin bullying anyone that doesn't share your views ... for some the kiss so late in the series to change the sexuality (before they only made mention of male lovers and her supposed lost love was John) of the main female lead was eye opening... and others can't imagine anything more normal.

I actually haven't seen that many people really cheering for the kiss, most are just accepting of the fact that Magnus is also attracted to women and only make a big deal out of it when others are pointing out how "wrong" it is (either for the show, the character or sexual orientation in general).
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for me, the weakest episodes of season 3 are haunting this series. and what's worse, that weakness has continued in season 4.

i expected that once they went back to 13 eps, ALL the episodes would be tight and strong. this isn't the case. i found 'tempus' awesome, but everything else after that alright. 'untouchable' i can't give a fair assessment on, b/c something was spoiled for me on it, so i watched it with a different view. 'uprising' i found weak. 'monsoon' was good (the helen storyline for me), but some have pointed out mistakes in editing: that should *never* have made it past editing and to the screen. 'resistance' was missing something, but i give that more to a weakish script, doubly compounded by a first-time director not getting the best out of the ep.

maybe damian needs to be *the* writer of this series...

I agree with most of this; Tempus was superb and really raised the bar for me, then Uprising was such a disappointment (the story, Will/Abby's characters and RD/PH's acting - AT did a good job of directing and the other actors basically did a good job), Untouchable was great but again Will was annoying and I really liked the Magnus part of Monsoon but the B-story was awful and the timing of switching plots was possibly even worse.

I still haven't made up my mind about Resistance; it wasn't bad and I mostly enjoyed it, but the B-plot though better, shorter and less annoying than in the previous ep still didn't quite work for me, just not my kind of humor I guess. I kept rolling my eyes and just got more annoyed with Will, but I liked seeing more of Biggie; somehow he can pull off locking Abnormals in a closet but Will can't (especially when he's copying someone else's moves which he berated only minutes before). Didn't like the B-plot Abnormal either. The A-plot however was good, I always enjoy Tesla and Magnus together they (actors) just have great chemistry and a wonderful history (characters) and complicated friendship. Henry was great too, I like seeing him partaking in the action, brings me back to season one when he was in that warehouse with the flying dragon-like alien and the camera crew. And his relationship with Nikola is funny. I still need to rewatch this ep to see how I really feel about it since it had 5 minutes of Burn Notice in it on my first watch which totally jerked me out of the story (especially because I didn't recognize the other show and was wondering what the hell TPTB were thinking changing their style like that) and afterwards only rewatched most of the missing stuff. So I need to see it in its entirety again, but haven't been able to make myself do so.

Skydiver
November 8th, 2011, 04:53 PM
One thing I liked about Henry in Resistance, he was much more magnus' equal and less her subordinate. The way he spoke and acted, it was less 'employee and boss' and more 'co-workers' (right up to the end and that last scene)

suse
November 8th, 2011, 05:41 PM
Farce, really? Interesting choice of words... I never said this was a debate about homosexuality (it doesn't have to be capitalized you know, it's the same as heterosexuality) and I wasn't calling anyone names. I merely referred to all the vocal people that had been complaining about Magnus' sexual orientation on other sites/fora and who'd been censored according to all the posts here (on GW). But hey, if you feel the shoe fits...
And yet you just did. And Cel commented on homophobic leanings. Phobic is a bit strong. Some would just prefer to not see it. Frankly, I'd not want to see something heterosexual that was that out of the blue (no pun intended) either.



I stand by my earlier view; it's impossible to draw conclusion about whether the 'controversy' caused an immediate decline since it hasn't been long enough since. If the ratings stay this low or keep declining throughout the season (specifically starting after Monsoon) then I'd say maybe it's one of the causes, but right now it's too soon to tell. Agreed. I know people who gave the show another week before they made the decision about whether to continue watching.



No one is going on and on about how right they are just because they happen to disagree with you and point out flaws in your arguments. It's not about winning anything and I find this quite immature behavior.
People might not be using the word 'right', but both ends of discussion are quite entrenched and not discussing much of anything, but reiterating their position. Not so sure how mature that is either.



Again, I wasn't calling you (or anyone else) names; you are reading into things that aren't there and seem to take everything rather personal. Se my first comment.


For me, Will is the weakest link. In the beginning I cut him some slack since he was new and Magnus' protege, but he's lacking growth and maturity even though the others at the Sanctuary treat him like he's far more capable than what he's shown so far. I don't find him a suitable replacement for Magnus, in my opinion even Henry or Biggie would have been better during Uprising if it had to be someone from Old City. His relationship with the ever annoying and ditzy Abby only makes it worse and the episodes that have her (and them together) in it are probably my least favorite.


This. Not sure how the casual fan sees it, though the brother-in-law seems to have something close to the same view and he's no where in fandom.



I actually haven't seen that many people really cheering for the kiss, most are just accepting of the fact that Magnus is also attracted to women and only make a big deal out of it when others are pointing out how "wrong" it is (either for the show, the character or sexual orientation in general).
I've seen plenty. Don't want to mention where as I'll get the wet noodle from Sky. :P

Skydiver
November 8th, 2011, 05:51 PM
Soooooooo ratings.

Can we talk more about those and less about others?

Agree to disagree, live and let live and all those cliches???

I do think there is one thing to remember....the person that could definitively prove what boosts and kills ratings, dude they could write their own check at any network in the world. There is no singular answer. There is no simple solution or reason.

We can debate and talk and argue, but at the end of the day, no one will ever know what boosted or deflated the ratings.

One truth about numbers and statistics, they can be made to say whatever someone wants them to say.

suse
November 8th, 2011, 06:11 PM
<<amused>> Got it, Sky.

Honestly, I'm just hoping the rating stay high enough for Syfy to *want* Sanctuary, And that MAD can find the money for another season.

majorsal
November 8th, 2011, 06:14 PM
<<amused>> Got it, Sky.

Honestly, I'm just hoping the rating stay high enough for Syfy to *want* Sanctuary, And that MAD can find the money for another season.

*nods 'till neck hurts* :p

Rocky89
November 9th, 2011, 01:55 PM
Walking Dead ratings up, Terra Nova down and 13 other genre shows (http://blastr.com/2011/11/walking-dead-ratings-up-t.php)

Sanctuary bounced back a little this week, gaining a tenth of a ratings point and about 50,000 more viewers. It's not a massive leap, but it's a move in the right direction. Let's just hope this show can start keeping its numbers stable as we head into November.

Steff
November 9th, 2011, 03:18 PM
Walking Dead ratings up, Terra Nova down and 13 other genre shows (http://blastr.com/2011/11/walking-dead-ratings-up-t.php)

Sanctuary bounced back a little this week, gaining a tenth of a ratings point and about 50,000 more viewers. It's not a massive leap, but it's a move in the right direction. Let's just hope this show can start keeping its numbers stable as we head into November.

Sanctuary is in last place in ratings of the 13 shows they are following. :( But it is having some of the lowest Friday ratings ever these last two weeks. The lowest last week and tied for fourth this week. :(

It would be nice to have Sanctuary break into the large ratings some of the other science fiction/ fantasy shows. Waking Dead is filmed here in Atlanta. I can't wait to go on a set visit. I've just started watching it on Netflix and am thrilled to go check out some of the film sites they have used. Atlanta I guess is becoming Hollywood of the South. :D

majorsal
November 9th, 2011, 03:23 PM
Sanctuary is in last place in ratings of the 13 shows they are following. :( But it is having some of the lowest Friday ratings ever these last two weeks. The lowest last week and tied for fourth this week. :(



you know, i have a theory...

(i know, don't be scared :S)

i think ppl were impressed, *interested* in what transpired in 'tempus'. some word of mouth brought in even more viewers for the second ep, 'uprising'. when peeps saw that the wow'ness of 'tempus' wasn't being continued, that storyline itself wasn't being continued, some ppl lost interest and tuned out.

only a theory. :p

Steff
November 9th, 2011, 03:34 PM
you know, i have a theory...

(i know, don't be scared :S)

i think ppl were impressed, *interested* in what transpired in 'tempus'. some word of mouth brought in even more viewers for the second ep, 'uprising'. when peeps saw that the wow'ness of 'tempus' wasn't being continued, that storyline itself wasn't being continued, some ppl lost interest and tuned out.

only a theory. :p

That is a logical theory in my opinion too. For me I adored everything about Tempus. The five... Adam... Victorian London... Time travel... Helen and Watson moments and the ending of Helen not being able to return. Yet the next week a was greatly disappointed in the episode. Ok, I am still watching but I have seen all the episodes and feel I have some investment in the show. But what about those like you said where there for the first time because of word of mouth for Tempus?

fems
November 9th, 2011, 03:44 PM
But what about those like you said where there for the first time because of word of mouth for Tempus?

They were turned off by Will's immature behavior? :rolleyes:

Steff
November 9th, 2011, 03:47 PM
They were turned off by Will's immature behavior? :rolleyes:

Ditto for me..... grrrrr. I could feel the Neilsen families changing the channel with his every complaint. Channel changing is BAD!

Rocky89
November 9th, 2011, 04:06 PM
They were turned off by Will's immature behavior? :rolleyes:


Ditto for me..... grrrrr. I could feel the Neilsen families changing the channel with his every complaint. Channel changing is BAD!

I don't know about Will, but when I met Robin at DC, he was very nice and cool. :) He show interest in my gift to the queen, and he was such a cool guy. ;) And kinda handsome too. :) :o :p

Steff
November 9th, 2011, 04:13 PM
I don't know about Will, but when I met Robin at DC, he was very nice and cool. :) He show interest in my gift to the queen, and he was such a cool guy. ;) And kinda handsome too. :) :o :p

Too bad the Nielsen Families didn't go to Dragon Con. All they have seen in my opinion has been an...... hum?....... WILL. ;) Let's not even talk about ABBY. :(

Celandine
November 10th, 2011, 12:38 AM
Alright, no mud slinging. My intention was not to call names, but my patience is notoriously thin when a drop in ratings is linked to a kiss; when this fact is pounded upon in post after post. Honestly, I loved Monsoon more for the intriguing plot/storyline and the explosions. It was so different from the trend Sanctuary has been taking as of late. The 'B' plot not so much as it was pretty typical to less than enthralling. Not happy with how Will and Henry were shown up in something they were supposed to be experts in. But I digress.

The ratings up and downs seems to happen EVERY season. I don't have numbers or graphs to back what I say up like others, but it's always the same thing. An episode does well one week; everyone is happy and saying the trend is looking good, the plot was fabulous, it was this/that character that made it so good, etc. The ratings go down the next week and everyone is trying to figure out why; the B plot ruined it, they didn't have John/Tesla/Declan, etc.. It goes on and on. I don't find every episode fantastic, but I've invested enough in the show to keep watching. We can help the show by spreading the word through social media and friends/family to watch.

Skydiver
November 10th, 2011, 02:59 AM
I can't say that this whole 'the sky is falling, the sky is falling!!!!!!! OMG, ZOMG Eleventy!!!1111' isn't getting tiresome.
Yes, I understand folks desires to keep track of things and discuss them. however.....we can't change what the ratings are. We can't change how they're tabulated or formulated or looked at. We don't even know - and I don't think it even exists - the 'magic number' to guarantee a show is retained on air. Largely because a singular number doesn't exist. Every single show has a different magic tolerance number, and the networks sure as heck ain't gonna tell us what it is.

We can't control this. We can't really effect this. and we are spending hours and hours not talking but ARGUING about stuff we'll never know the answers to, because there are no simple answers. If there was a simple and easy formula to a show's success then there would be no concern about ratings because everyone would know how to generate high ones so there'd be no concern.

The point of my ramble...we can't change this, we can't really alter this, so why spend hours and hours a day stressing over something you have no control over???????? Why get all worked up over something so uncontrollable? Why 'fight' over it?

I prefer to spend my time enjoying what I enjoy about the show and sharing that enjoyment with others. I prefer to spend it exchanging view points with others. Trying to 'win' the ratings debate????? You can't. Because there is no winner. There never will be. Because the answers that would declare a person a winner will never be shared or made public and there will never be anything but speculation.

I'm not saying don't talk ratings. Do what you want. I'm just saying...perspective. There are no 'right' answers to this. There's no way for a person to 'win' and there will never be answers to what may/may not account for the numbers going up and down. The ratings are made by CASUAL VIEWERS. Random folks surfing through their cable menu and finding something that looks interesting or that tweaks their interest. They don't sit and analyze or know the back story or, most often, know spoilers. They change a channel and watch a show. That's the viewership that keeps the show on the air. Average Joe and Josephines that just tune it in.

EH-T
November 10th, 2011, 06:15 AM
I can't say that this whole 'the sky is falling, the sky is falling!!!!!!! OMG, ZOMG Eleventy!!!1111' isn't getting tiresome.
Yes, I understand folks desires to keep track of things and discuss them. however.....we can't change what the ratings are. We can't change how they're tabulated or formulated or looked at. We don't even know - and I don't think it even exists - the 'magic number' to guarantee a show is retained on air. Largely because a singular number doesn't exist. Every single show has a different magic tolerance number, and the networks sure as heck ain't gonna tell us what it is.

We can't control this. We can't really effect this. and we are spending hours and hours not talking but ARGUING about stuff we'll never know the answers to, because there are no simple answers. If there was a simple and easy formula to a show's success then there would be no concern about ratings because everyone would know how to generate high ones so there'd be no concern.

The point of my ramble...we can't change this, we can't really alter this, so why spend hours and hours a day stressing over something you have no control over???????? Why get all worked up over something so uncontrollable? Why 'fight' over it?

I prefer to spend my time enjoying what I enjoy about the show and sharing that enjoyment with others. I prefer to spend it exchanging view points with others. Trying to 'win' the ratings debate????? You can't. Because there is no winner. There never will be. Because the answers that would declare a person a winner will never be shared or made public and there will never be anything but speculation.

I'm not saying don't talk ratings. Do what you want. I'm just saying...perspective. There are no 'right' answers to this. There's no way for a person to 'win' and there will never be answers to what may/may not account for the numbers going up and down. The ratings are made by CASUAL VIEWERS. Random folks surfing through their cable menu and finding something that looks interesting or that tweaks their interest. They don't sit and analyze or know the back story or, most often, know spoilers. They change a channel and watch a show. That's the viewership that keeps the show on the air. Average Joe and Josephines that just tune it in.

Well said Sky.

I come to this thread to check the ratings out of curiosity but I don't agonize over them because there is nothing I can do to change them. I do watch the show (in Canada) and have e-mailed Space so they know I support and enjoy the show. Beyond that, it is out of my hands. I certainly can't influence ratings in other countries.

What will be will be.

NumberSix
November 10th, 2011, 11:41 AM
Well said Sky.

I come to this thread to check the ratings out of curiosity but I don't agonize over them because there is nothing I can do to change them. I do watch the show (in Canada) and have e-mailed Space so they know I support and enjoy the show. Beyond that, it is out of my hands. I certainly can't influence ratings in other countries.

What will be will be.

Ditto. I always watch the show, but unfortunately our household is not a Nielsen family. I've tried to let SyFy know I enjoy it and my thoughts on ratings and scheduling and whatever, and I don't stop watching it just because of something that happened in one scene or because I didn't especially like one episode. I wish the Nielsen ratings were different and a more accurate view of what people are watching was available, but it is what it is, and we're stuck with this until they find a better way.

Steff
November 10th, 2011, 12:04 PM
Why is this thread is so popular? (8000 views.)

It is more then just people curious about the ratings. Over and over people have suggested making a ratings/no discussion thread yet do one is interested enough to do it. I think I will later on tonight when I get home if I remember. Ratings, the perfect debate thread. Like Sky said,

"We can't control this. We can't really effect this. and we are spending hours and hours not talking but ARGUING about stuff we'll never know the answers to, because there are no simple answers. If there was a simple and easy formula to a show's success then there would be no concern about ratings because everyone would know how to generate high ones so there'd be no concern.".

As a result we are all free to come up with our own "perfect" solutions. Then we get to see other's ideas and thus the debate begins. And yes people love debating. If that is not the case, why all the hits and posts? hehe People love reading extreme points of views and then justify their own views somewhere along the line. And every week is the same. Monday the ratings come out and people say Yippee or Oh no. Followed with the next couple of days of opinions of extremes and the middle. Thursday, boredom comes from the debate and post of the sky is falling, people get over it, ex. Friday is slow with four people predicting the ratings. Even slower is Saturday and Sunday as the thread subscribers wait for it all to start again on Monday afternoon.

Is this thread bad? Of course not. Is this thread for everyone? Of course not. Those that don't like the verbal tumble have long ago unsubscribed and have no idea of what is going on in the Ratings Discussion thread and could care less. All people still here click to come here. And none have made the discussion free ratings thread. Ergo, this thread is popular. *I love saying Ergo and have been over using it this last week. Ergo, people are sick of it* heheh

Abnormal
November 10th, 2011, 10:33 PM
My prediction for tonight's episode:
1.99 viewers - 1.4% :sam:

EvenstarSRV
November 10th, 2011, 11:20 PM
Just a comment on keeping the recent ratings in perspective:

Last season there were 3 Friday night Live+SD ratings that were below 1.3 million, Trail of Blood (1.257), Animus (1.259), and Pax Romana (1.217). And I don't recall any major outcry/controversy in fandom over the events of those episodes, or the preceding ones.

So while the recent ratings for Monsoon/Resistance are on the low-end historically for Sanctuary, IMHO they're still within it's usual viewership range.

siles
November 11th, 2011, 04:09 AM
my prediction for tonight's episode is 1.1 mil viewers 0.3

Steff
November 11th, 2011, 08:59 AM
my prediction for tonight's episode is 1.1 mil viewers 0.3

Hey siles, you picked the exact numbers I was going to pick. *brain sharing* hehe

1.1 0.3

Abnormal
November 11th, 2011, 09:24 AM
Abnormal ==> 1.99 / 1.4%
Siles ==> 1.1 / 0.3%
Steff ==> 1.1 / 0.3%

majorsal
November 11th, 2011, 11:58 AM
Abnormal ==> 1.99 / 1.4%
Siles ==> 1.1 / 0.3%
Steff ==> 1.1 / 0.3%
majorsal ==> 1.33/0.4%

chrono trigger
November 12th, 2011, 07:18 AM
i hope im not too late to guess

Abnormal ==> 1.99 / 1.4%
Siles ==> 1.1 / 0.3%
Steff ==> 1.1 / 0.3%
majorsal ==> 1.33/0.4%
chrono trigger ==> 1.2 /0.3%

fems
November 12th, 2011, 10:30 AM
I don't know about all of you, but to me Homecoming and maybe even Resistance had the same feeling as the earlier episodes in seasons one and two, before season three with the story arc (and filler episodes). I know there are people who don't like the idea of having a major story arc and preferred the earlier episodes, so it makes me wonder, if others feel the same about these episodes and this trend will continue, if it will show in the ratings.

Opinions?

Abnormal
November 12th, 2011, 11:01 AM
I don't know about all of you, but to me Homecoming and maybe even Resistance had the same feeling as the earlier episodes in seasons one and two, before season three with the story arc (and filler episodes). I know there are people who don't like the idea of having a major story arc and preferred the earlier episodes, so it makes me wonder, if others feel the same about these episodes and this trend will continue, if it will show in the ratings.

Opinions?

Good question. If it did show in the ratings, I think it would take time. My point earlier was that as far as fans are concerned, they're likely to watch the show whether they like story arcs or not, but as the majority of people who watch the show are not necessarily real fans, I think that if a season is mostly made of stand-alone episodes it will be easier and more convenient for other people to watch it. If people know that though they missed an episode, they can watch the next one and understand the story perfectly, then that's a good point for the ratings.

However, I think this is way too late. This is only my opinion, but I'm convinced that people who turned their back on Sanctuary because of story arcs won't come back, or if they do, it will be viva voce, and those things take time...

rwalsh001
November 13th, 2011, 02:31 AM
I was sent this article from a google alert I have setup for "SyFy Sanctuary, it talks about the ratings and the fact that the series will likely be cancelled rather than renewed.

Heres the link: http://www.suite101.com/news/ratings-analysis-is-sanctuary-in-danger-of-being-cancelled-a396389

kes
November 13th, 2011, 03:24 AM
I was sent this article from a google alert I have setup for "SyFy Sanctuary, it talks about the ratings and the fact that the series will likely be cancelled rather than renewed.

Heres the link: http://www.suite101.com/news/ratings-analysis-is-sanctuary-in-danger-of-being-cancelled-a396389

The article doesn't mention that Syfy doesnt produce Sanctuary. The just pay to air the eps.

Celandine
November 13th, 2011, 03:26 AM
I was sent this article from a google alert I have setup for "SyFy Sanctuary, it talks about the ratings and the fact that the series will likely be cancelled rather than renewed.

Heres the link: http://www.suite101.com/news/ratings-analysis-is-sanctuary-in-danger-of-being-cancelled-a396389

A rather dour article in terms of renewal. :(

I did find the fact interesting, if not unpleasant, that the premiere ep, "Sanctuary For All' and the last ep of the fourth season, "Sanctuary For None" kind of played off each other.

I'll still continue to hold out hope until any news on Sanc is released though.

rwalsh001
November 13th, 2011, 03:27 AM
As I understood it, SyFy and other investors did pay as there was no big production studio behind the series. I fact I think Amanda Tapping said that was the case and that was why the EP's had deferred their salaries.

kes
November 13th, 2011, 03:46 AM
As I understood it, SyFy and other investors did pay as there was no big production studio behind the series. I fact I think Amanda Tapping said that was the case and that was why the EP's had deferred their salaries. Independent production. AT said it her self. They have investores but Syfy isnt it.


A rather dour article in terms of renewal. :(

I did find the fact interesting, if not unpleasant, that the premiere ep, "Sanctuary For All' and the last ep of the fourth season, "Sanctuary For None" kind of played off each other.

I'll still continue to hold out hope until any news on Sanc is released though.

They say its a cliffhanger.

Abnormal
November 13th, 2011, 03:48 AM
Yeah well... Nothing new. I suppose anyone of us could have written this article concluding that it may or may not be renewed. We all know it's 50/50. As long as I don't hear anything from Syfy other than an unknown source who is not even quoted, then I'll continue to hope for a renewal.

Abnormal
November 13th, 2011, 03:50 AM
They say its a cliffhanger.

Yes indeed. As I already said in another thread, I think you're reading too much in the title of the last episode since Amanda herself declared on Facebook that the season ends on a cliffhanger.

fems
November 13th, 2011, 03:54 AM
And the title kind of goes with the season's whole theme; going rogue, therefore no longer protected by the governments/UN...

Abnormal
November 13th, 2011, 03:55 AM
And the title kind of goes with the season's whole theme; going rogue, therefore no longer protected by the governments/UN...

Exactly!

kes
November 13th, 2011, 04:21 AM
The article also forgets to mention that Sanctuary airs in the fall.

Abnormal
November 13th, 2011, 04:23 AM
The article also forgets to mention that Sanctuary airs in the fall.

It actually doesn't mention the few things that could give us a 5th season...

Skydiver
November 13th, 2011, 05:40 AM
My speculation on the finale title


it ends with some catastrophe affecting the sanctuary itself, the building, which leaves everyone 'out in the cold' literally

Altariel
November 13th, 2011, 09:21 AM
Maybe it explodes or will really be classified as an terroristic organisation.

RealmOfX
November 13th, 2011, 10:54 AM
I was sent this article from a google alert I have setup for "SyFy Sanctuary, it talks about the ratings and the fact that the series will likely be cancelled rather than renewed.

Heres the link: http://www.suite101.com/news/ratings-analysis-is-sanctuary-in-danger-of-being-cancelled-a396389

So what? A blogger gave their opinion.

Before you put any weight in what is posted on the internet you need to pay attention to what is said and what is not said and ask pertinent questions like :


Who is the author (in this case Patrick Munn) and what are their qualifications?
Do they have access to relevant data and have they considered all the data?
Have they made any obvious errors?
etc etc etc

I also read that article and then promptly ignored it for quite a few reasons. Here are some of them :

The author does not have access to detailed ratings data. The "best example" of the low ratings is wrong.
He doesn't mention that Sanctuary is a totally independent show and is not produced by Syfy.
He doesn't mention if his source is "qualified" in any way to answer the question asked and in fact didn't answer the question. His NBC source could be the cleaner for all we know.
He states things like "So while Sanctuary is holding its own year on year, that doesn’t take into account the rising cost of production on a four year old show." and doesn't mention that over the four years of production that Sanctuary is quite anomalous in that they have kept their budget increases to being extremely low going from just over $1.6 million in S1 to just under $2 million in S4. Also he failed to point out that Syfy has nothing to do with the budget and what would be pertinent to the discussion of the article is whether or not the Syfy licensing fee has changed or will change over the years.
He also stated that "My source at the NBC Universal owned cable network did tell me that while Sanctuary was far from the most expensive show on television, it also wasn’t the cheapest and was in fact the lowest rated scripted series on the network." and neglected to point out that it was also the only scripted show airing in the much tougher Fall period.
And as for the title of the season finale? Yet another person making a mountain out of a molehill. Did he bother to contact the producers and get their opinion and or reasoning for the naming of the season finale cliffhanger?




Will Sanctuary be renewed on Syfy for a 5th season? If Syfy doesn't renew will that mean Sanctuary can't continue to be independently produced?

To answer those questions then flip a coin, you have just as much chance of being right as wrong ;)

At the moment I'm looking at the S3 renewal (for S4) on an average of 1,457,500 Total viewers and a 0.4 A18-49 rating and comparing that to the current averages of 1,325,600 and 0.4 and saying probably. Of course that is not what will govern the decision, the private financiers will have their own set of variables that they will look at.

EH-T
November 13th, 2011, 11:20 AM
So what? A blogger gave their opinion.

Before you put any weight in what is posted on the internet you need to pay attention to what is said and what is not said and ask pertinent questions like :


Who is the author (in this case Patrick Munn) and what are their qualifications?
Do they have access to relevant data and have they considered all the data?
Have they made any obvious errors?
etc etc etc

I also read that article and then promptly ignored it for quite a few reasons. Here are some of them :

The author does not have access to detailed ratings data. The "best example" of the low ratings is wrong.
He doesn't mention that Sanctuary is a totally independent show and is not produced by Syfy.
He doesn't mention if his source is "qualified" in any way to answer the question asked and in fact didn't answer the question. His NBC source could be the cleaner for all we know.
He states things like "So while Sanctuary is holding its own year on year, that doesn’t take into account the rising cost of production on a four year old show." and doesn't mention that over the four years of production that Sanctuary is quite anomalous in that they have kept their budget increases to being extremely low going from just over $1.6 million in S1 to just under $2 million in S4. Also he failed to point out that Syfy has nothing to do with the budget and what would be pertinent to the discussion of the article is whether or not the Syfy licensing fee has changed or will change over the years.
He also stated that "My source at the NBC Universal owned cable network did tell me that while Sanctuary was far from the most expensive show on television, it also wasn’t the cheapest and was in fact the lowest rated scripted series on the network." and neglected to point out that it was also the only scripted show airing in the much tougher Fall period.
And as for the title of the season finale? Yet another person making a mountain out of a molehill. Did he bother to contact the producers and get their opinion and or reasoning for the naming of the season finale cliffhanger?




Will Sanctuary be renewed on Syfy for a 5th season? If Syfy doesn't renew will that mean Sanctuary can't continue to be independently produced?

To answer those questions then flip a coin, you have just as much chance of being right as wrong ;)

At the moment I'm looking at the S3 renewal (for S4) on an average of 1,457,500 Total viewers and a 0.4 A18-49 rating and comparing that to the current averages of 1,325,600 and 0.4 and saying probably. Of course that is not what will govern the decision, the private financiers will have their own set of variables that they will look at.

Thanks for your well-reasoned response.

siles
November 13th, 2011, 12:03 PM
Everybody keeps saying that "Sanctuary" is an independent production, but I think that's more in theory than in practice: look how the full season was reduced to 13 episodes by Syfy and Sanctuary couldn't do anything. IIRC Ashley's demise was also dictated by Syfy. While I'd love to see Sanctuary truly independent it seems to me a lot of decisions are dictated by the network, so I'm pretty sure if Syfy doesn't want another season there won't be a season 5

majorsal
November 13th, 2011, 12:35 PM
A rather dour article in terms of renewal. :(

I did find the fact interesting, if not unpleasant, that the premiere ep, "Sanctuary For All' and the last ep of the fourth season, "Sanctuary For None" kind of played off each other.

I'll still continue to hold out hope until any news on Sanc is released though.

me too. :) (:S x 10)

Steff
November 13th, 2011, 12:45 PM
So what? A blogger gave their opinion.



'Nuf said. Perfect point RealmOfX. We all have blogs worth of opinions here..... hehe.

majorsal
November 13th, 2011, 12:50 PM
i don't mind getting a detailed and logical reason to not pay attention to this guy's blog/opinion, so thanks. :p



So what? A blogger gave their opinion.

Before you put any weight in what is posted on the internet you need to pay attention to what is said and what is not said and ask pertinent questions like :


Who is the author (in this case Patrick Munn) and what are their qualifications?
Do they have access to relevant data and have they considered all the data?
Have they made any obvious errors?
etc etc etc

I also read that article and then promptly ignored it for quite a few reasons. Here are some of them :

The author does not have access to detailed ratings data. The "best example" of the low ratings is wrong.
He doesn't mention that Sanctuary is a totally independent show and is not produced by Syfy.
He doesn't mention if his source is "qualified" in any way to answer the question asked and in fact didn't answer the question. His NBC source could be the cleaner for all we know.
He states things like "So while Sanctuary is holding its own year on year, that doesn’t take into account the rising cost of production on a four year old show." and doesn't mention that over the four years of production that Sanctuary is quite anomalous in that they have kept their budget increases to being extremely low going from just over $1.6 million in S1 to just under $2 million in S4. Also he failed to point out that Syfy has nothing to do with the budget and what would be pertinent to the discussion of the article is whether or not the Syfy licensing fee has changed or will change over the years.
He also stated that "My source at the NBC Universal owned cable network did tell me that while Sanctuary was far from the most expensive show on television, it also wasn’t the cheapest and was in fact the lowest rated scripted series on the network." and neglected to point out that it was also the only scripted show airing in the much tougher Fall period.
And as for the title of the season finale? Yet another person making a mountain out of a molehill. Did he bother to contact the producers and get their opinion and or reasoning for the naming of the season finale cliffhanger?




Will Sanctuary be renewed on Syfy for a 5th season? If Syfy doesn't renew will that mean Sanctuary can't continue to be independently produced?

To answer those questions then flip a coin, you have just as much chance of being right as wrong ;)

At the moment I'm looking at the S3 renewal (for S4) on an average of 1,457,500 Total viewers and a 0.4 A18-49 rating and comparing that to the current averages of 1,325,600 and 0.4 and saying probably. Of course that is not what will govern the decision, the private financiers will have their own set of variables that they will look at.

fems
November 13th, 2011, 01:04 PM
My speculation on the finale title


it ends with some catastrophe affecting the sanctuary itself, the building, which leaves everyone 'out in the cold' literally


Maybe it explodes or will really be classified as an terroristic organisation.


Who knows, maybe Magnus proves she's true to her word and

burns down the Sanctuary when the UN/Addison are trying to take over and she can't fight them off any longer...

Would certainly make it a much darker season :P

RealmOfX
November 13th, 2011, 05:47 PM
Everybody keeps saying that "Sanctuary" is an independent production, but I think that's more in theory than in practice: look how the full season was reduced to 13 episodes by Syfy and Sanctuary couldn't do anything. IIRC Ashley's demise was also dictated by Syfy. While I'd love to see Sanctuary truly independent it seems to me a lot of decisions are dictated by the network, so I'm pretty sure if Syfy doesn't want another season there won't be a season 5

There is a big difference between couldn't do anything and chose not to do anything. The Sanctuary producers knew just how thin they stretched themselves to do S3 and they were still doing post production on S3 when they started up for S4.

You recall incorrectly about Ashley, the producers were split about the decision and the networks (note the plural) were in favour of killing her off. Not quite the picture you were painting.

Also Syfy's importance to the independent production has become smaller over the years due to the show being picked up around the world. Certainly Syfy (US) is the largest single market however we do not know what proportion of the total revenue that they represent nor how much importance the private financiers put upon having a commitment from them for a season before committing themselves. Initially it would have had huge importance but for a Season 5 with world distribution? Who knows.

Whilst I don't discount Syfy (US) of having a good deal of influence, I also do not attribute them with the full control that some people seem to ascribe to them. Sanctuary simply is not made on the US network model, backed by major studios for the American market with any other markets being the cream.

Steff
November 14th, 2011, 12:45 PM
Abnormal ==> 1.99 / 1.4%
Siles ==> 1.1 / 0.3%
Steff ==> 1.1 / 0.3%
majorsal ==> 1.33/0.4%
chrono trigger ==> 1.2 /0.3%


And the Winner is.......... Majorsal.... Woohooooo

Actual Numbers are 1.319 0.4

reported by TVbythenumbers (http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/11/14/friday-cable-ratings-discoverys-gold-rush-uncmsu-bball-top-cable-friday-night-smackdown-sanctuary-flying-wild-alaska-more/110493/)

Rocky89
November 14th, 2011, 12:51 PM
Abnormal ==> 1.99 / 1.4%
Siles ==> 1.1 / 0.3%
Steff ==> 1.1 / 0.3%
majorsal ==> 1.33/0.4%
chrono trigger ==> 1.2 /0.3%

And the Winner is.......... Majorsal.... Woohooooo

Actual Numbers are 1.319 0.4

reported by TVbythenumbers (http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/11/14/friday-cable-ratings-discoverys-gold-rush-uncmsu-bball-top-cable-friday-night-smackdown-sanctuary-flying-wild-alaska-more/110493/)

Good for Sanctuary :), and that's my Sally. :D

majorsal
November 14th, 2011, 12:51 PM
Abnormal ==> 1.99 / 1.4%
Siles ==> 1.1 / 0.3%
Steff ==> 1.1 / 0.3%
majorsal ==> 1.33/0.4%
chrono trigger ==> 1.2 /0.3%


And the Winner is.......... Majorsal.... Woohooooo

Actual Numbers are 1.319 0.4

reported by TVbythenumbers (http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/11/14/friday-cable-ratings-discoverys-gold-rush-uncmsu-bball-top-cable-friday-night-smackdown-sanctuary-flying-wild-alaska-more/110493/)

yay, it's gone up! :D i just hope this is enough for syfy...

Rocky89
November 14th, 2011, 12:53 PM
yay, it's gone up! :D i just hope this is enough for syfy...

I'm glad it went up again, and that you we're right. :) *Hugs*

I'd like to see another 1.4, but a 1.3 looks good, and I hope that number is good enough. :)

Abnormal
November 14th, 2011, 07:31 PM
I'm glad it went up again, and that you we're right. :) *Hugs*

I'd like to see another 1.4, but a 1.3 looks good, and I hope that number is good enough. :)

It's a pity that Sanctuary needs that much time to recover from a series low, but obviously it's going up and up progressively, which is good. Don't think that's enough though, but let's not be too pessimistic :)

Oh, I lost. Really? It didn't get 1.99 and 1.4%? What a shock!... :(

Congrats Maj'! You rock!

Steff
November 14th, 2011, 07:47 PM
It's a pity that Sanctuary needs that much time to recover from a series low, but obviously it's going up and up progressively, which is good. Don't think that's enough though, but let's not be too pessimistic :)

Oh, I lost. Really? It didn't get 1.99 and 1.4%? What a shock!... :(

Congrats Maj'! You rock!

Shocked! We were all pulling for ya. Woohoo again for MajorSal. :D

majorsal
November 14th, 2011, 07:54 PM
i don't feel winning, i feel happy that sanct's gone UP. :p

Julian
November 14th, 2011, 10:51 PM
But hasn't only the total viewers gone up? Isn't 18-49 rating/share more important for advertising?

Rocky89
November 15th, 2011, 07:09 AM
Does anyone know where Sanctuary is on the Syfy average poll/list thinger? :p

Julian
November 15th, 2011, 03:29 PM
In terms of ratings? Pretty much Syfy have no other scripted TV shows this season (as far as I'm aware). Its only other shows which seem to get in the top ratings are Ghost Hunters and Wrestling.

majorsal
November 16th, 2011, 03:42 PM
a question to those that know, how does syfy round up viewers totals?


example: the last ep had 1.319 million viewers. would that go to 1.32? and let's say it was 1.357, would a network jump it to 1.4 million viewers?

i'm just curious.

RealmOfX
November 16th, 2011, 04:05 PM
a question to those that know, how does syfy round up viewers totals?


example: the last ep had 1.319 million viewers. would that go to 1.32? and let's say it was 1.357, would a network jump it to 1.4 million viewers?

i'm just curious.

It's basic mathematical rounding - 0-4 gets rounded down and 5-9 gets rounded up

1.319 when rounded to 2 decimal points is 1.32, when rounded to 1 decimal point its 1.3
1.357 rounded to 1 decimal point is 1.4

majorsal
November 16th, 2011, 04:19 PM
It's basic mathematical rounding - 0-4 gets rounded down and 5-9 gets rounded up

1.319 when rounded to 2 decimal points is 1.32, when rounded to 1 decimal point its 1.3
1.357 rounded to 1 decimal point is 1.4

http://blastr.com/2011/11/terra-nova-ratings-reboun.php

^ i was surprised when syfy didn't round it up to 1.32, *just* to make one of their shows seem even that little bit better in the ratings.

they do seem happy 'enough' with sanct's ratings, though, so that's got to be a good thing.

siles
November 16th, 2011, 04:28 PM
http://blastr.com/2011/11/terra-nova-ratings-reboun.php

^ i was surprised when syfy didn't round it up to 1.32, *just* to make one of their shows seem even that little bit better in the ratings.

they do seem happy 'enough' with sanct's ratings, though, so that's got to be a good thing.

it doesn't really matter - the most important number that we have is the demo (0.4 for the last episode- nothing to write home about)

siles
November 20th, 2011, 01:43 AM
Icebreaker ratings prediction 1.2 mil viewers 0.3

Abnormal
November 20th, 2011, 02:57 AM
Siles ==> 1.2 / 0.3
Abn ==> 1.4 / 0.4

majorsal
November 20th, 2011, 07:12 PM
Siles ==> 1.2 / 0.3
Abn ==> 1.4 / 0.4
majorsal 1.375/ 0.3

RealmOfX
November 21st, 2011, 12:21 AM
I'm not putting a prediction in but if it follows the pattern of the last two seasons then we may see a season high of 1.5-1.6 million for last week's ep. *crosses fingers*

This season is also the first that will air straight through without a break so it will be interesting to see how Sanctuary does on the week's that previously they have not aired.

Mandysg1
November 21st, 2011, 06:32 AM
I just wonder if it being on Black Friday will have any affect on it :s

jelgate
November 21st, 2011, 07:44 AM
I just wonder if it being on Black Friday will have any affect on it :s
Most definitly. If I was to guess their will be a decrease. I'm kind of at a lose why SyFy is airing so close to Thanksgiving and Christmas

RealmOfX
November 21st, 2011, 10:45 AM
I just wonder if it being on Black Friday will have any affect on it :s


Most definitly. If I was to guess their will be a decrease. I'm kind of at a lose why SyFy is airing so close to Thanksgiving and Christmas

It didn't affect it last year, in fact it saw a 17.8% rise in total viewers.