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April 18th, 2011, 07:32 AM
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<FONT SIZE="1">EPISODE NUMBER - 3212 (612)</FONT>
<DIV STYLE="margin-top:10px; padding:0;">The Doctor pays a social visit to his former flatmate Craig, and can't resist sticking around when he senses something is wrong ... Cybermen are kidnapping department store workers.</DIV>
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Teddybrown
September 24th, 2011, 11:56 AM
That was a really good episode, and it loops nicely back to the Impossible Astronaut...
So many great lines from this episode!
I think Craig was much better this time round, I really enjoyed this episode.
Stormageddon! The baby was awesome too! Nice first word though...

Next weeks looks awesome.
Im kinda disappointed that they revealed River Song in the suit in the end... But, Moffat can disceive us...
Was nice to see Kovarian and the Silence together, and I think the ending was really well acted and shot.
I wonder how this will all play out...
Did anyone else see the Dalek in the next time trailer?

Really glad I got home in time to watch this episode :)

P-90_177
September 24th, 2011, 11:58 AM
EPIC!

The end of course is exactly what we thought.........but by the look of next weeks episode, we're in for a hell of a ride, along with a few surprises.

Sealurk
September 24th, 2011, 11:59 AM
Very enjoyable episode. Really got the impression of how old the Doctor was in this one.

Teddybrown
September 24th, 2011, 12:04 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/dw/videos/p00kn2y6
Prequel to Episode 13 for those interested...

Alan
September 24th, 2011, 12:05 PM
Fantastic episode! Thoroughly enjoyable! Wonderful dialogue! Great to see the Cybermen, Craig, and the long-awaited return of the Cybermats! Hard to believe the Cybermats haven't been in Doctor Who since 1975!

That epilogue was totally unexpected! River Song...Madame Kovarian...a Silent...Clerics...a Spacesuit! Woah! :eek: Roll on next weeks episode! :cool:

Quizziard
September 24th, 2011, 12:37 PM
Baby's first word had me splurting across the living room with laughter!

Storming episode, though I'm surprised they didn't somehow link it back to the Cyberking Cybermen.

Teddybrown
September 24th, 2011, 01:05 PM
Fantastic episode! Thoroughly enjoyable! Wonderful dialogue! Great to see the Cybermen, Craig, and the long-awaited return of the Cybermats! Hard to believe the Cybermats haven't been in Doctor Who since 1975!

That epilogue was totally unexpected! River Song...Madame Kovarian...a Silent...Clerics...a Spacesuit! Woah! :eek: Roll on next weeks episode! :cool:

Yeah, I didnt think that would be the big reveal...
It was nice to see the Doctor got the envelopes from Craig, shows he has kinda got a plan up his sleeve.

P-90_177
September 24th, 2011, 01:09 PM
Baby's first word had me splurting across the living room with laughter!

Storming episode, though I'm surprised they didn't somehow link it back to the Cyberking Cybermen.

While I do like that christmas episode for the most part...........I'd rather imagine the cyberking never exsisted.

Alan
September 24th, 2011, 01:17 PM
Yeah, I didnt think that would be the big reveal...
It was nice to see the Doctor got the envelopes from Craig, shows he has kinda got a plan up his sleeve.

Plus a stetson too. I'm looking forward to seeing it all unfold again from the Doctor's POV up until he meets up with Amy, Rory, and River in Utah

Billz
September 24th, 2011, 01:17 PM
Called it. ;)

Teddybrown
September 24th, 2011, 01:28 PM
Plus a stetson too. I'm looking forward to seeing it all unfold again from the Doctor's POV up until he meets up with Amy, Rory, and River in Utah

O yeah, I forgot the Stetson, when I saw it I was like, that wont last long...

Alan
September 24th, 2011, 01:29 PM
O yeah, I forgot the Stetson, when I saw it I was like, that wont last long...

LOL Yeah. That's in for some rootin' tootin' shootin' action from River.

Draygon
September 24th, 2011, 01:31 PM
Canz I have a toy cybermat please? :D Without the scary teeth if you don't mind.

I found this episode hilarious and it was a good romp. I think Craig is exactly what the Doctor needs sometimes; a grounding force who's very much an extrodinarily ordinary person :) Pretty much any line from Alifie/Stormageddon had me giggling as well :P

The ending, oh my! I noticed that the Silence were refereed to as River's "Owners". Its starting to look like a long term revenge plan against the Doctor for what he did to he Silence.

Also, I require teh use of a time machine. I need to skip ahead to next week to watch the next episode :D

Alan
September 24th, 2011, 01:34 PM
Canz I have a toy cybermat please? :D Without the scary teeth if you don't mind.

I found this episode hilarious and it was a good romp. I think Craig is exactly what the Doctor needs sometimes; a grounding force who's very much an extrodinarily ordinary person :) Pretty much any line from Alifie/Stormageddon had me giggling as well :P

The ending, oh my! I noticed that the Silence were refereed to as River's "Owners". Its starting to look like a long term revenge plan against the Doctor for what he did to he Silence.

Also, I require teh use of a time machine. I need to skip ahead to next week to watch the next episode :D

I think it is very safe to say there's going to be some Cybermat merchandise on the way. Check in with Forbidden Planet (http://www.forbiddenplanet.co.uk/) regularly. If it is Doctor Who merchandise you are looking for it is there.

Teddybrown
September 24th, 2011, 01:36 PM
Canz I have a toy cybermat please? :D Without the scary teeth if you don't mind.

I found this episode hilarious and it was a good romp. I think Craig is exactly what the Doctor needs sometimes; a grounding force who's very much an extrodinarily ordinary person :) Pretty much any line from Alifie/Stormageddon had me giggling as well :P

The ending, oh my! I noticed that the Silence were refereed to as River's "Owners". Its starting to look like a long term revenge plan against the Doctor for what he did to he Silence.

Also, I require teh use of a time machine. I need to skip ahead to next week to watch the next episode :D

She did kill a lot of them too...

The prequel also puts some questions on whos sides the Silence are on.
Why would they be kept in tanks in Area 52?

4thDoctor
September 24th, 2011, 01:40 PM
I loved it, the nod to Troughton was a nice touch and the speech the Doctor gave on Craig's couch about his time running out brought a lump to the throat.

Zarius
September 24th, 2011, 02:46 PM
She did kill a lot of them too...

The prequel also puts some questions on whos sides the Silence are on.
Why would they be kept in tanks in Area 52?

Why are you still calling them The Silence? That's the name of the whole religious order, not that species.

Pharaoh Hamenthotep
September 24th, 2011, 03:20 PM
Why are you still calling them The Silence? That's the name of the whole religious order, not that species.

Do you have another name for them? :S

Teddybrown
September 24th, 2011, 03:23 PM
Do you have another name for them? :S

Yeah, and + they themselves said they are The Silence in The Day of the Moon, no other name has been given for them...

http://doctorwhotv.co.uk/the-wedding-of-river-song-pics-26466.htm
Some pictures from next weeks finale

Also, just realised, Moffat seems to like the childrens rhymes...

DigiFluid
September 24th, 2011, 06:05 PM
Terrific episode. Can't bloody wait for next week :eek:

Also, in case anyone didn't catch it--as of this episode the Doctor has been travelling alone for about 200 years since the end of the previous episode. Remember, in The Impossible Astronaut he said he was 1103 while the younger version was only 906. I imagine that big gap will be filled with a whole lot of novels and such.

Skydiver
September 24th, 2011, 07:02 PM
what was the baby's first word? i missed it

4thDoctor
September 24th, 2011, 07:03 PM
"Doctor"

32031

Pharaoh Atem
September 24th, 2011, 07:12 PM
terrible ep no need for greg or the baby. and a good waste of cybermen.

next weeks looking to be awesoms

Pharaoh Atem
September 24th, 2011, 07:23 PM
Do you have another name for them? :S the quiet? :P

Cold Fuzz
September 24th, 2011, 10:19 PM
Terrific episode. Can't bloody wait for next week :eek:

Also, in case anyone didn't catch it--as of this episode the Doctor has been travelling alone for about 200 years since the end of the previous episode. Remember, in The Impossible Astronaut he said he was 1103 while the younger version was only 906. I imagine that big gap will be filled with a whole lot of novels and such.

I just finished watching it literally just right now. I also loved it. :D

Craig was one of my favorite guest characters from the previous season and was one of my favorites again this season. I personally thought that one of the best things about him and the 11th Doctor last season was how typically 21st Century human Craig was while the Doctor was so humorously out of place in that world... and yet he is someone able to endear himself to people.

I think someone should invent a mouse shaped like a Cybermat. :P


As for the epilogue looping back to The Impossible Astronaut... I'm now wondering whether the Doctor even developed a plan to save himself in his nearly 200 years of travels The God Complex. I'm thinking that he didn't at this point and was simply saying goodbye to places and people that he's visited over the centuries. I genuinely think he's resigned himself to his death. I'm also thinking that somehow it won't be the Doctor getting himself out of this mess, that likely River will decide to do something more drastic than murdering the Doctor: Rewrite what's supposed to be a fixed point in time and perhaps threaten reality itself in the process.

The only way out of this one I could see for the Doctor is him sending a flesh clone out to die for him. But I don't think the Doctor operates in that fashion.

SGalisa
September 24th, 2011, 10:37 PM
wow. Now, we know who kills the Doctor. :(
And that nursery song is still creepy.
I don't think River can weasel her way out of the situation she is doomed to repeat

Preparations at the end (the hat) lead up to next week's eppy, or the events in "the Impossible Astronaut".

and then, another six months to wait for another eppy??
there is supposed to be a Christmas one, too, so that'll throw off the entire straight timeline viewing, unless all things get resolved happily before the ending of next week's eppy. :p

Quizziard
September 24th, 2011, 11:48 PM
So, having re-watched, here are some thoughts:

+ there's been a real debate in other threads about whether it was or wasn't River who "kills" the Doctor. Notwithstanding some timey-wimeyness, it looks like it will be. BUT, in "The Impossible Astronaut" we see the Doctor talk to the astronaut for a while... perhaps persuading her that she in fact she should kill him (because there's something else going on!), not (failing to) dissuade.

+ since Amy and Rory were apparently similar to how they were left, and Craig/Sophie are only a year or so down the line from "The Lodger", why is the Doctor saying he dies "tomorrow" when it needs to be 200 years time? Perhaps Rule #1 applies regarding his stated age in "The Impossible Astronaut"?

+ we assume that Amy has had enough time to get a modelling job for "Petrichor"... the smell of rain on dry Earth. Curious choice for a perfume... or not?

Cold Fuzz
September 25th, 2011, 01:19 AM
So, having re-watched, here are some thoughts:

+ there's been a real debate in other threads about whether it was or wasn't River who "kills" the Doctor. Notwithstanding some timey-wimeyness, it looks like it will be. BUT, in "The Impossible Astronaut" we see the Doctor talk to the astronaut for a while... perhaps persuading her that she in fact she should kill him (because there's something else going on!), not (failing to) dissuade.

+ since Amy and Rory were apparently similar to how they were left, and Craig/Sophie are only a year or so down the line from "The Lodger", why is the Doctor saying he dies "tomorrow" when it needs to be 200 years time? Perhaps Rule #1 applies regarding his stated age in "The Impossible Astronaut"?

+ we assume that Amy has had enough time to get a modelling job for "Petrichor"... the smell of rain on dry Earth. Curious choice for a perfume... or not?

If the Doctor isn't lying about his age being 1103 in The Impossible Astronaut, that means that though roughly 1 year of time may have passed for Craig & Sophie as well as Amy & Rory, almost 200 years of subjective time has passed for the Doctor. He's been traveling around for 200 years for him, but since he's a time traveler, the rest of history wouldn't readily notice. However, I think the Silence and their followers may have known how long he's been traveling alone.

4thDoctor
September 25th, 2011, 04:58 AM
GAH! Young people! I've been watching a few fan reviews of "Closing Time" and I am amazed at how many young fans think that the Cybermats were called "cyber rats" and that they are brand new characters. No sense of Who history.

SaberBlade
September 25th, 2011, 06:36 AM
I was a bit disappointed by the end (not the River bit).

I was really looking forward to this episode having a grim ending of Craig being turned into a Cyberman. I still expected him to be himself (like Yvonne) and go on a rampage to save The Doctor, Stormageddon and because it was a half assed conversion (like Torchwood's Cyber Lady)thought The Doctor would undo it as they were just putting overlaying the armour rather than replacing body parts.

If they didn't make fun of love saving the day, I'd have been pissed at such a cheesy ending.

Other than that, I really enjoyed the episode. I love seeing the interaction between Craig and The Doctor, and of course Stormageddon too. Bit disappointed The Doctor went from 909 (last episode) to 1103 over the course of one episode. Tenth knew he'd regenerate, so visited all his previous companions but I'd love to know what Eleven did knowing he's going to his death.

P-90_177
September 25th, 2011, 07:52 AM
GAH! Young people! I've been watching a few fan reviews of "Closing Time" and I am amazed at how many young fans think that the Cybermats were called "cyber rats" and that they are brand new characters. No sense of Who history.

I think if I heard anyone calling them cyber-rats I'd kick them in the shins.

Alan
September 25th, 2011, 07:59 AM
I think if I heard anyone calling them cyber-rats I'd kick them in the shins.

Yes, and then tell them that the pain they just felt must have been caused by CYBERMATS!

Flyboy
September 25th, 2011, 09:15 AM
I must admit... I part expected the cyber-conversion to be fully completed.

Having recently watched Attack of the Cybermen, I wondered if the obviously pudgy Cyberleader was going to be retconned into being Craig... it would have explained a lot in a morbid sense.

Anyone notice how needy the Cybermen seem to be in terms of searching for a new father figure to lead them, nearly ALL the time...?

Loved the ep though! Really good fun!

Archaeis
September 25th, 2011, 10:08 AM
A few choices in the ages and timelines still have me wondering.

- Why would the 1103 doctor choose to contact the Rory and Amy from BEFORE he left them for 200 years?
- If it's River in the Space Suit the kills him, and she is in prison for killing him, then the version of her that goes to Utah/1969 is a version from after those events?

Not quite sure how to phrase them other than that, but it seems to me that the doctor would want them in the point of their timeline where they would have the most knowledge (i.e. Who River is)

And I'm not sure I like Moffat's random use of Cybermen throughout his tenure. At least with RTD's Cybermen, you always knew where they came from. Moffat's Cybermen seem to contradict the Doctor's statement about them from "Dalek"

Alan
September 25th, 2011, 10:27 AM
A few choices in the ages and timelines still have me wondering.

- Why would the 1103 doctor choose to contact the Rory and Amy from BEFORE he left them for 200 years?

Because they need to rejoin his 909-year old self.


- If it's River in the Space Suit the kills him, and she is in prison for killing him, then the version of her that goes to Utah/1969 is a version from after those events?

That's right. If you recall, the River that was invited to the beach along with Amy and Rory was already locked up in the Stormcage for murder. So why River on the beach doesn't recognise the circumstances surrounding the murder and seems to be genuinely surprised by it all is something that is yet to be answered.


And I'm not sure I like Moffat's random use of Cybermen throughout his tenure. At least with RTD's Cybermen, you always knew where they came from. Moffat's Cybermen seem to contradict the Doctor's statement about them from "Dalek"

What statement about the Cybermen in Dalek?


And as for the recent appearances of the Cybermen...

The Cybermen left a sentry to guard the Pandorica.


The Cybermen entered in to an alliance to trap the Doctor within the Pandorica.


The Cyber Fleet in a sector of space monitor communications.


The Cybermen crashed on Earth...crashed on Earth.



Their appearances have been pretty self explanatory I think.

Lahela
September 25th, 2011, 12:01 PM
Oh my. That was such a great episode - a funny and exciting adventure all wrapped up with a sweet bow, but with an undercurrent of super-sad, culminating in shock. Despite a lifetime of seeing regenerations come and go, despite a lifetime of last-minute reprieves and twists that could make a hurricane dizzy, they still manage to make me feel like I'm about to lose a dear friend. This show never ceases to amaze me.

Blencathra
September 25th, 2011, 01:00 PM
I absolutely loved this episode. So funny and with a few unexpected very moving moments as well.

Favourite bits

:) "You've redecorated! I don't like it."

:D Stormageddon

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6163/6182502154_3d1ea7d805_o.gif

:D Grinding pepper over Craig.

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6170/6182500518_8c62ff4658_o.gif

:D "Look they gave me a badge with my name on in case I forget who I am. Very thoughtful. As that does happen."

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6151/6181979935_910edb0074_o.gif

:) "Alignment of Exeter."
:) "Mind Yappy, the robot dog. Not as much fun as I remember."
:) Craig - "Do I look like I'm stupid?" The Doctor - "Quiet Stormy."
:) "I've never excreted any weird alien gasses at you."
:) Nice seeing Amy & Rory briefly. I noticed Rory was carrying all the bags.
:) Craig - "Can't you put that on quiet?" The Doctor - "No. It's a sonic screwdriver. Sonic equals sound."
:) "Take this. I got it with my discount 10% off. It's a papoose!"
:S "I'm so old. So near the end."
:) "Don't worry! I have an app for that."
:) "Come along, Bitey."

I was nearly moved to tears at the end, the Doctor sounded so old, so tired and so resigned to death.

I was completely surprised at seeing River. But I still don't think she is going to kill the Doctor. It far too obvious for the Moff IMO.

I can't wait for next Saturday! BTW I'd love Craig to become a full time companion. But I don't know what Sophie & Stormageddon would think to that. :S

4thDoctor
September 25th, 2011, 01:07 PM
He likes being called "Alfie" now. 32041

SGalisa
September 25th, 2011, 01:14 PM
:) Nice seeing Amy & Rory briefly. I noticed Rory was carrying all the bags.

I was surprised at seeing both of them, and thought their names in the beginning credits were just a mistake or being overlooked, as I never thought they'd be back for a cameo so soon! and Amy selling perfume -- perfect! :)



:) "Mind Yappy, the robot dog. Not as much fun as I remember."

Was that an indirect reference to K-9 and his perpetual (but *awesome*) yappiness?? :D



GAH! Young people! I've been watching a few fan reviews of "Closing Time" and I am amazed at how many young fans think that the Cybermats were called "cyber rats" and that they are brand new characters. No sense of Who history.

I haven't read the forums elsewhere, but yeah -- no sense of D.WHO history. Or, maybe they've just never seen any Patrick Troughton (Doctor #2) eppies yet.
I think the biggest difference between the latest Cybermats and the ones during Tom Baker's era is that the teeth don't look like a cartoon of felt glued onto the mouth. Plus, they now light up red in their underspines like Cylons (of the newest BSG series). =) ;)

SaberBlade
September 25th, 2011, 02:23 PM
That's right. If you recall, the River that was invited to the beach along with Amy and Rory was already locked up in the Stormcage for murder. So why River on the beach doesn't recognise the circumstances surrounding the murder and seems to be genuinely surprised by it all is something that is yet to be answered.

River may not have known the circumstances surrounding his death, as The Silence could have erased it from her memory.

Just after The Doctor dies she shoots at the Astronaut and nothing happens. She says something like "no, of course not". It's very possible that River knows she killed The Doctor and was doing time for it, but never knew the circumstances surrounding it, such as when, where or how.

So she knows she kills him, but it wasn't until she witnessed it that everything came together.


- Why would the 1103 doctor choose to contact the Rory and Amy from BEFORE he left them for 200 years?

The Doctor knows the circumstances surrounding his death (maybe not all of it, but enough) so he knows that Amy, Rory and River were there when it happened (not sure about Canton). As a result he knows that he needs to invite them again or else he'll be changing his own past and future which could be catastrophic.



If it's River in the Space Suit the kills him, and she is in prison for killing him, then the version of her that goes to Utah/1969 is a version from after those events?

Yes. The version of River of who kills the The Doctor is still early in her regeneration, so barring any unexpected adventures she'll have been studying at Luna University for a few years in order to earn her doctorate. So none of the other episodes she's appeared in has happened for her yet, with the killing of The Doctor being much later in her life (but before Ten meets her).

aintright
September 25th, 2011, 02:24 PM
I was completely surprised at seeing River. But I still don't think she is going to kill the Doctor. It far too obvious for the Moff IMO.



me either ... i am stepping wayyyyyyy out and think that Daddy (Rory) will take her place! :eek: .... ok i know it is a stretch. but, would Rory or The Dr. want River to have to live with that? Don't you think as much as she loves the DR. she would remember that? wouldn't it be in her diary(well i guess it was but, no notes of what the occasion was?)

could it be something that Rory and the Dr. worked out?

The Silence will fall when the questions is asked? Question - why do I have to die? then the silence will fall. does the Dr. have to die to fulfill some squashing of the Silence? He has spoken an awful lot about how much he invested into saving the earth from the Silence.

dunno ... but, agree ... can't see Moffitt being so obvious. Yet, could see him changing original intentions if he thinks it would be a twist and too much chatter of it not being River.

*headdesk*


will wait patiently to find out ... will wait patiently to find out ... will wait patiently to find out.


one more point .... seemed person by the beach hut in UTAH ... second Silence guy "they are your handlers"?

patience ... patience ....


teehee!!:jack_new15:

Pharaoh Hamenthotep
September 25th, 2011, 04:22 PM
He likes being called "Alfie" now. 32041

But The Doctor did call him Stormageddon a lot... more often than seemed necessary.. :S *thinks Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All might be coming back at some point* :weiranime42:

Quizziard
September 25th, 2011, 09:20 PM
"they are your handlers"?
I thought Kovarian said, "They are your owners!"

Quizziard
September 25th, 2011, 09:23 PM
- Why would the 1103 doctor choose to contact the Rory and Amy from BEFORE he left them for 200 years?
Apart from logic/maths, was there anything in the episode to confirm that he's just been away for two hundred years - almost a fifth of his life, "off screen" - adventuring without the audience, just to fill the gap before coming back to Craig's house?

rosey_angel
September 25th, 2011, 11:05 PM
GAH! Young people! I've been watching a few fan reviews of "Closing Time" and I am amazed at how many young fans think that the Cybermats were called "cyber rats" and that they are brand new characters. No sense of Who history.


I think if I heard anyone calling them cyber-rats I'd kick them in the shins.


Yes, and then tell them that the pain they just felt must have been caused by CYBERMATS!


...

I haven't read the forums elsewhere, but yeah -- no sense of D.WHO history. Or, maybe they've just never seen any Patrick Troughton (Doctor #2) eppies yet.
I think the biggest difference between the latest Cybermats and the ones during Tom Baker's era is that the teeth don't look like a cartoon of felt glued onto the mouth. Plus, they now light up red in their underspines like Cylons (of the newest BSG series). =) ;)

If I may speak on behalf of some of the 'newbies' to Dr Who, a simple mistake of calling them cyber-rats over cybermats isn't that bad when you consider that they look like rats and the woman at the shop referred to it as a mouse. And as for no sense of Who history- it's a very long history that has been changed around a tad over the years (thanks in part to RTD) and it can be very hard getting a hold of all of the old Who eps and finding time to watch them all.
I know none of you were being rude or mean to us new-vians (whovians, new-vians... get it... oh :( ) and it's nice to have threads with people who have sene the old eps and can recall when old characters make appearances.

rosey_angel
September 25th, 2011, 11:09 PM
oops in all that I forgot to write a review lol. Great ep, I love the chemistry between Craig and the Doctor and now that Craig is a dad the humour level was so high it was hilarious. Stormy/Alfie was great but I kept thinking that he was going to have something to do with the cybermen, the way he kept talking about humans as peasants for example.

This was a great ep for Matt Smith because it really showed off his comedy and tragedy side and how quickly he can swap between them.

Alan
September 26th, 2011, 02:55 AM
Cybermat: http://www.forbiddenplanet.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=66667

:cool:

Draygon
September 26th, 2011, 03:10 AM
Cybermat: http://www.forbiddenplanet.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=66667

:cool:
:D SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE*takes breath*EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

SaberBlade
September 26th, 2011, 09:09 AM
Cybermat: http://www.forbiddenplanet.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=66667

:cool:
I could never get that. My cat would attack it and it would scare the crap out of my dog.

Davros
September 26th, 2011, 09:25 AM
I'm new here...but I thought I'd throw in my 2 cents. Has anyone noticed the changing jackets? All season long the Doctor has been switching between jackets...his normal one, and the western long coat. The long coat would seem to be the older doctor who is slated to die in Utah. Just like the ganger and the shoes...Moffat could be playing switcheroo between the doctors. Also...what if Kovarian isn't River, but Amy? The old Amy who hates the doctor? Somehow regenerated or altered in someway? Thus...Old Amy steals young Amy's daughter for the purpose of killing the man she hates for leaving her behind.

Also...what if the Doctor who dies is actually a Ganger? And what if that Ganger built the machine in last season's The Lodger?

Just things to think about.

Thanks for your time.

Cold Fuzz
September 26th, 2011, 10:09 AM
I'm new here...but I thought I'd throw in my 2 cents. Has anyone noticed the changing jackets? All season long the Doctor has been switching between jackets...his normal one, and the western long coat. The long coat would seem to be the older doctor who is slated to die in Utah. Just like the ganger and the shoes...Moffat could be playing switcheroo between the doctors. Also...what if Kovarian isn't River, but Amy? The old Amy who hates the doctor? Somehow regenerated or altered in someway? Thus...Old Amy steals young Amy's daughter for the purpose of killing the man she hates for leaving her behind.

Also...what if the Doctor who dies is actually a Ganger? And what if that Ganger built the machine in last season's The Lodger?

Just things to think about.

Thanks for your time.

The events and underground architecture we saw in "Day of the Moon" pretty much indicate that the TARDIS-like machine we saw in "The Lodger" last season was likely something that belonged to the Silence.

Alan
September 26th, 2011, 10:32 AM
I could never get that. My cat would attack it and it would scare the crap out of my dog.

Such is the order of animals. The cat attacks the Cybermat...the Cybermat scares the dog...the dog chases the cat...and the cycle repeats. ;)

aintright
September 26th, 2011, 10:33 AM
I'm new here...but I thought I'd throw in my 2 cents. Has anyone noticed the changing jackets? All season long the Doctor has been switching between jackets...his normal one, and the western long coat. The long coat would seem to be the older doctor who is slated to die in Utah. Just like the ganger and the shoes...Moffat could be playing switcheroo between the doctors. Also...what if Kovarian isn't River, but Amy? The old Amy who hates the doctor? Somehow regenerated or altered in someway? Thus...Old Amy steals young Amy's daughter for the purpose of killing the man she hates for leaving her behind.

Also...what if the Doctor who dies is actually a Ganger? And what if that Ganger built the machine in last season's The Lodger?

Just things to think about.

Thanks for your time.


i had been pondering the switcheroo of the two doctors and somehow that would allow for appearance of the Dr. dying in Utah and yet, the Dr. lives on.

something along Aslan in chronicles.

:S


teehee!!:jack_new15:

Pharaoh Hamenthotep
September 26th, 2011, 06:36 PM
I've been thinking about how the universe was rebooted.. could a version of the Doctor have crossed over into the new universe? He did go through the crack in the wall.. ceasing to exist in that universe.. but things can't just disappear.. everything has to go somewhere :weiranime42:

4thDoctor
September 26th, 2011, 06:46 PM
I've been wondering if they may not still be in the realm of the Dream Lord and that none of this is even happening.

Cold Fuzz
September 26th, 2011, 06:58 PM
I've been thinking about how the universe was rebooted.. could a version of the Doctor have crossed over into the new universe? He did go through the crack in the wall.. ceasing to exist in that universe.. but things can't just disappear.. everything has to go somewhere :weiranime42:

I think that if there were issues about how the universe was rebooted, they'd have dealt with them by now. But then again, with Moffat, I think he's got one final rabbit to pull out of his hat. :p


I've been wondering if they may not still be in the realm of the Dream Lord and that none of this is even happening.

I doubt that. I don't think that Moffat would pull a Bob Newhart on us and write off the entire 6th season as a dream.

Ian-S
September 27th, 2011, 06:20 PM
I dunno, we didn't even meet the real Amy until half way through the series...

I see also they have a picture of the Doctor on the BBC site now with the eye patch... I still think that's a way to stop you forgetting the Silence.

Cold Fuzz
September 28th, 2011, 01:10 AM
I dunno, we didn't even meet the real Amy until half way through the series...

I see also they have a picture of the Doctor on the BBC site now with the eye patch... I still think that's a way to stop you forgetting the Silence.

Actually, that's what I was thinking about the eye patch.

Sealurk
September 28th, 2011, 02:03 AM
Me as well. Not sure quite how they work, but it seems to make sense given the prequel clip, at least one trailer and the publicity shots we've seen.

Ben 'Teal'c would WIN!!' Noble
September 28th, 2011, 04:49 PM
I enjoyed this ep.

So is this the end of Doctor Who?

I don't think so but could there be a possible regeneration? Has Matt said anything about leaving?

SaberBlade
September 28th, 2011, 06:23 PM
I enjoyed this ep.

So is this the end of Doctor Who?

I don't think so but could there be a possible regeneration? Has Matt said anything about leaving?

There will be another season, I believe Matt is still signed on to do it through 2012 and the anniversary so it's not a matter of him dying, but how he'll survive.

Quizziard
September 28th, 2011, 09:40 PM
There will be another season, I believe Matt is still signed on to do it through 2012 and the anniversary so it's not a matter of him dying, but how he'll survive.
That's the irony of comments like on the front of the Radio Times - though I forget the wording - we know they're already filming the Christmas special. So whatever happens, there's a big dollop of surprise, twist and/or timey-wimey because he's still around for the next episode!

4thDoctor
September 29th, 2011, 05:34 AM
I'm sure there will be no regeneration, but having said that, they could do one and then have the Christmas special be a story that took place during the 200 years that the 11th Doctor was travelling alone.

morbosfist
September 29th, 2011, 09:34 AM
They pretty much threw regeneration out when they had the astronaut shoot the Doctor before it could kick in. Even from the start of the season, it was obvious that they wouldn't be casting a new Doc.

Quizziard
September 29th, 2011, 02:38 PM
Let's remember, we finished "The Pandorica Opens" with the seemingly impossible situation of the Doctor locked inside the Pandorica, yet his escape (via some amusingly complex timey-wimey) was relatively easy. Okay, so death is slightly more difficult than locked in a box, but... Cue Saturday...

Teddybrown
September 29th, 2011, 04:55 PM
Just rewatched the end of the episode again, and noticed a very strangely shaped bubble that doesnt seem to rise in the background...
Could just be some weed though...
Also, this may sound like a silly question, but wheres the gun?

P-90_177
September 29th, 2011, 04:58 PM
Just rewatched the end of the episode again, and noticed a very strangely shaped bubble that doesnt seem to rise in the background...
Could just be some weed though...
Also, this may sound like a silly question, but wheres the gun?

What gun?

4thDoctor
September 29th, 2011, 05:43 PM
I think that he is confusing the blaster in the astronaut suit's gloves with the pistol that the other River had on the beach.

Teddybrown
September 30th, 2011, 02:39 PM
I think that he is confusing the blaster in the astronaut suit's gloves with the pistol that the other River had on the beach.

Nah, I was talking about the one the Astronaut had.
Maybe the blaster is in the astronauts glove, but I think it looked like a blaster...

Coco Pops
October 1st, 2011, 06:39 AM
I thought the episode was good, not great, it was just the setup for the final act with River and eyepatch lady..... That was the best part of the episode. Everything else was filler..

Yes there was the great lines "I'm so old" and all but that's how I feel. For me the last act was the best.

Coco Pops
October 1st, 2011, 06:40 AM
Ooh loved the bit with Amy giving an autograph...She was the girl who was in that perfume ad and it had the name of that episode almost. And they mentioned Star Trek

Quizziard
October 1st, 2011, 09:52 AM
Difficult to see, as we all know...
32153

Matt G
October 1st, 2011, 12:20 PM
OK...

1. Craig, meh.

2. Cybermats, I knew of these, didn't think I'd get to see them in action.

3. Cybermen. not such a bad idea for a filler ep, didn't expect Amy and Rory to show up, must have been a contract thing.

4. End of ep...very tasty...

Let's see what happens...

Coco Pops
October 1st, 2011, 07:17 PM
OK...

1. Craig, meh.

2. Cybermats, I knew of these, didn't think I'd get to see them in action.

Amy and Rory to show up, must have been a contract thing.

4. End of ep...very tasty...

Let's see what happens...

Craig ws meh, and the constant gay references made me a bit irritable. I thought were done with that when RTD left...

Hey at least we got to see Sophie again "swoon".......

I think Karen might have in her contract that she has to appear in every episode somehow. But what a way to do that. How did Amy get the perfume idea? She must have remembered about old bitter Amy.

And as I said this episode was worth it just for the final act......

Howcome no one's talking about the final episode isn't it online already?

maneth
June 29th, 2013, 06:52 AM
I certainly liked this one better than the last three or so. The constant gay references were a bit annoying, but on the whole I liked this.

Coco Pops
June 29th, 2013, 10:55 PM
I certainly liked this one better than the last three or so. The constant gay references were a bit annoying, but on the whole I liked this.

To be honest that spoilt the episode for me. But overall it was fun.

Girlbot
June 30th, 2013, 07:38 AM
I loved this episode. Craig is a great character. And who can't love the Dr talking to the baby. Stormageddon :D
I had no idea that the cybermats were not a new thing, until I bought an older Dr who ep and saw them in it.

Coco Pops
June 30th, 2013, 07:46 AM
I loved this episode. Craig is a great character. And who can't love the Dr talking to the baby. Stormageddon :D
I had no idea that the cybermats were not a new thing, until I bought an older Dr who ep and saw them in it.



In the old Dr. Who they looked really cheap and non scary.

Alan
July 2nd, 2013, 04:37 AM
I loved this episode. Craig is a great character. And who can't love the Dr talking to the baby. Stormageddon :D
I had no idea that the cybermats were not a new thing, until I bought an older Dr who ep and saw them in it.

Oh, yeah. Cybermats have been around since 1967. First Cybermat I saw was in Revenge of the Cybermen which was released on VHS in the early 80's...as a youngster not even in an age that was in double figures it scared the heck out of me!

Girlbot
July 2nd, 2013, 06:52 AM
Oh, yeah. Cybermats have been around since 1967. First Cybermat I saw was in Revenge of the Cybermen which was released on VHS in the early 80's...as a youngster not even in an age that was in double figures it scared the heck out of me!

One of the reasons I like buying the older Dr Who's. Finding things I thought were new, but have been around for decades :)

Alan
July 2nd, 2013, 07:02 AM
One of the reasons I like buying the older Dr Who's. Finding things I thought were new, but have been around for decades :)

Splendid! Long will that continue for you! :)

Pharaoh Hamenthotep
January 26th, 2014, 05:35 AM
I loved this episode. Craig is a great character. And who can't love the Dr talking to the baby. Stormageddon :D


I can't help thinking we're going to see Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All again one day..